Alborz

Badi19 - and the color blue !

"Badi19, say what you want until you are blue in the face".

Next we'll try the color green on you!

Alborz

To nemah

Yes Baha'is do not have clergy but FYI:
ABMs for Propagation are clergy
ABMs for Protection are Religious Police
Counselors are Big Mullas
ITC is Hoza-i-ilmiyyih
UHJ is Infallible - Masoom

FarhadY - you get an F for impersonating a Baha'i !

Even as unregistered Mona19 you slip up in the same way.

I suspect that "RUN" is already considering a replacement for you!

Alborz

My previous comment was for Dear Jamezbune

My previous comment was for Dear Jamezbune

Even if you wish to accept

...the baha'i faith you cannot do so, because you are in Israel and we have only a few members working in Baha'i World Centre, there is no NSA or any LSAs to guide you, so you need to migrate to some other country and then you can sign a declaration card and become a member of our universal faith.
You see, we do not teach in Israel because Baha'u'llah has prohibited us and asked us to follow the rules of the Land.
I wish you a better life and I pray for peace and kindness to your life.

Anonymous , taazeh daahtim garm mishodim !

a couple of parting shots ,

1- You don't start accusing people of having dark hearts to start a thread !

2- You don't pretend to be someone else

3- I gave you a taste of your medicine !.

4- as they say in Farsi" maa enghadar maar khordim keh Afee shodim". if you are serious about debate, get a registered name and let's debate.

fi amaan Allah 

Bund, Jimz Bund

So be it ... Jimzbund.

You are not only in the dark but you lie, you lack decency and you are arrogant. You continuosly and mindlessly attack people and their religion. You are so arrogant and blind that do not even understand what I have been really saying in this thread and elsewhere.

No one cares what religion you have; be it Jewish, or whatever but they do care about your fanaticism and your lies. If you do not believe that the prophet Mohammand is a prophet of God, then so be it! Maybe it is better still, that you never believe.

Just to answer a question you had about why Baha'i people accept Islam. It is for the same reason we Muslims accept Judism as the religion of God. But don't be mistaken, for the same reason Baha'i people don't like the injustice and fanatisim of certain Muslim leaders and individuals, we Muslims also don't like the like the injustice and fanaticism of certain Jewish leaders and individuals. Get it now?

Buy the way, where did you see me 'read islamic' books and agree with IRI or whatever. I don't know which is worse about you. Your fanatisism or your simple mindedness? Maybe the reason that you ARE a fanatic is because you refuse to use your mind.

In a way I was hoping that we get a non-Muslim fanatic to come to this thread and complete my reference to the general 'Fanatic' way of thinking by example, regardless of religion, and here you showed up Mr. Jimzbund. For that, I thank thee.

This is my last communication to you and may God have mercy on your tormented soul.

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Mr. Alborz, excuse me for extending your blog as such.

truth seeker answer

Dear truth seeker
Bahai don't believe in having clergy (mullah), as a connection to God that's why they are hated by today Islam, which is centralizes the power in the hand of a few mullahs. Muslim remain ignorant about it due to their prejudice.
look for yourself if you are truly a truth seeker.

dear fanatic !

Jews and Muslim have centuries of hatred and wars and your beloved Ali beheaded 700 of them in one day ( unfortunately here were no Olympic games then to give him a medal ), many Jewish villages were raised to the ground  and even Muhammad your beloved prohphet was trying to go to bed with one of thee Jewish ladies whose husband was just killed that day ! your problem is that you don't read any books and in your religion you are not allowed to ask questions ! the only questions you ask your so called Ayatullahs are about how to have sex with animls and how much the middle finger should be inserted in the ass after taking a dump !. Your grand Vellayat Faghih Khomeini talks about being allowed to molest a child after age 1 but no intercourse until age 9 ! I know where you are coming from and that's why I try to talk to you at your level . Please read some non islamic books and see how come other people are progressing and happy but Muslim countries are backward and suffering. and no it is not a conspiracy by British, Zionism, American Imperialism !

Bund, Jimz Bund

Mona,

These trolls are too amateur to deceive. Their stink is too obvious. 

Bund, Jimz Bund

to Alborz

That's why these az bikh Arabs ( in both cases ) don't understand you and the Bahai ideals. You are talking " baalaayeh diplom " to them. They are only programmed to balghoor some Arabic, follow a mullah as marjaa'e taghleed, their witings are allabout belly and under the belly ! these are the sam epeople who stone/cut to pieces, maim, nad torture people and then go for their prayers ! they are zombies . the only so called holy book that I have seen saying " Oghteloo" go figure. 

Bund, Jimz Bund

Mona taghallobi Joon ( assuming you are a girl too )

 I don't need to go to anyone but you can come to me !Your story is like the story of chaador by Iraj Mirza ! No need to pretend you are Mona 19 , I like you as you are !.

Bund, Jimz Bund

A fanatic can not change it's color, no matter which religion!

Mr. jimzbund, a fanatic can not become decent overnight and sometimes they remain in the dark forever.

Just like those 'Muslim' fanatics that burned the Bahai houses in Egypt, there are 'Jewish' fanatics who commit murder and burn and destroy Muslim houses. Obviously only the Muslim side is the problem for you.

All decent and humble people who read these comments can judge for themselves if the darkness in in my "brain" or in your heart.

Good day to you.

I didn't know I had an evil twin !

Mr.Jimz Bund that's not my comment.

Regards,Mona

Jimz bund, Islam as it manifests itself in IRI

... is not accepted by the Baha'is.  A claim that Iran represents the true of essence of Islam is a claim that is rejected by the majority of Moslem world. Also, Islam is not alone in its association with injustice, corruption, barbarism, and greed.  After all, who were those that crucified Jesus?  Which church turned a blind eye to the extermination of 6 million human beings? Who were the parties to the greatest of un-Holy wars throughout history? In every case the associations are well known but seldom acknowledged.

I do acknowledge the fact that Islam is used very effectively to subjugate the masses and in particular the principle of emulation (taqlid) which is the foundation of the Shiite sect of Islam is the most effective means to disarm the mind and stain the soul.

The abuse of any ideology or thought has dire consequences and the IRI has mastered such an abuse at a national level where poitics, greed, and power are intertwined to create a beastly brand of governance that seeks survival, protection and legitimacy under the cover of a theocracy that is patently bankrupt.

I believe that at the root of all these tragedies is ignorance.  The only antidote is material and spiritual education which strenghtens the reliance on the rational and conscious mind and deepens and nurtures a spiritual soul.

Baha'is define faith as 'first conscious knowledge and second practice of good deeds'.  One without the other cannot possibly result in anything of value to oneself or others.  Without conscious knowledge we are left with nothing but dogma.  Without good deeds we are left without purpose. 

So long as we as a society have not reconciled these two elements into our lives, we are assured of many more tragedies to endure.

There are no free passes in this ethereal and yet physical world.

Alborz

Dear jimzbund why don't u come to Baha'u'llah

We need people like you. Only God baha'u'llah can cure you. The light of Baha'i faith is the true light which will illuminate your heart. I am sure.

Anonym

If what is being done to others in the name of God " Allah" is light and good ness then I rather live in the darkness of rational and intelligence !.  the darkness in my hear is matched by darkness in your brains !.

brighten up.

Bund, Jimz Bund

Re: jimzbund

My good friend. Dispel darkness from your heart and hopefully you too may see the light of God one day.

-Anonym

To Faezeh ( not veified")

Pleasse write something in Beautiful Farsi or in International English. It won't help to promote the Arab sayings whether as quotes or etc.

Bund, Jimz Bund

Arab+blood= Paradise

 While Jesus was nailed on the cross.

Muhammad: sleeping with 8 years old girl

Ali: beheaded 700 jews in one day

Caliphs: pillaged and raped other countries

these are the seeds of those people, go figure !  

 by the way, why do you bahais accept Islam ?!!!!

Bund, Jimz Bund

cruelty

الملک یبقی مع الکفر ولا یبقی مع الظلم

Dear Anonym, Thank you again!

It is always a pleasure to have an exchange with people such as yourself. 

Your faith is abundantly clear in your conduct and I wish you the very best in your job search.

Movafagh va kaam ravaa bashid,

Alborz

Dear Alborz,

You are right. I do not accept the statement "... that the Jews suffered just as the rest of European did under the Nazis". The sufferings were different and cannot be compared.

Unfortunately the suffering goes on for many people in different forms due to fanatic beliefs of others. As for Muslims, it is true that they not only suffer under extremism of a few powerful entities but also the extremism and greed of the followers of another old religion. So in a way, I do not accept religious extremism as 'religion', but as a form of aggressive dictatorship that uses religion as a tool.

As for your inquiry on why does not one go and find out about the Baha'i faith; As in my case, I actually have read a good deal about it so far, but unfortunately these hard economic times have left me jobless and I am struggling and getting training to find work. So I am very busy trying to survive. Even this internet response that I make to you is from a public access location because I do not have any internet service of my own.

But in time, I will find out more and maybe we can have further discussions later on.

Salaam va Alykom, Khoda-hafez

Dear Anonym, you are welcome...

...and I again agree with you in that an individual's statement can also lead to a misunderstanding.  However, it is likely that it will be a reflection of a personal view and not attributable to a Faith's principles.  The mullahs in Iran and elsewhere have played a singularly potent role in instigating hatred against the Baha'is and have consistently relied on ignorance to do so.

With regard to others suffering at the hands of the mullahs, this is a conclusion that is not disputed by many.  Many times, Baha'is hear this as an explanation of what is happening to them and as a gesture of empathy.  That is the plight of the Baha'is is being put on par with that of the general populace.  This represents a gross inequity in even the intial assessment and shows a lack of appreciation for the unique nature of these persecutions.  This is akin to saying that the Jews suffered just as the rest of European did under the Nazis.   I am confident that you would not make such a conclusion.

Also, while most readers of this site live outside of Iran and where information is readily accessible,I am puzzled as to why most know of the Baha'i Faith through attrocities committed against its adherents and those that have malicious intent. Why is that?

The only thing I can point to is the deep rooted inhibitions that exists and prevents them from even reading a few lines on the subject.

So many readers on this site have used the refrain that "I don't know much about the Baha'i Faith". While I appreciate your sincerity, I question why this is the case in the internet age. 

Is there an "inhibition" to spend a few minutes and read a few lines on this Faith?  Why?

If a positive view of the Faith is formed solely on its adherents then, at best, it is a reflection of the degree to which they are able to reflect the principles of their Faith and not the principles and beliefs espoused in the Faith.  And yet, my fellow Iranians are content with this alone and are seldom willing to acquaint themselve with the source.

Just as I know enough about Islam to be able to speak up on its behalf, perhaps Iranians will become informed enough to recognize the wheat from the chaff.

//www.bahai.org/

Allah'u'Abhá * 

Alborz

*Baha'i greeting-meaning 'God is the Most Glorious'

160 years of Unity.

In the last 160 years, these power hungry individuals, have tried time and time after the death of Baha'u'lah, Abdul Baha, and Shoghi effendi to split and create schism. they Failed to the point of fading into oblivion.

As you can observe, in the past and present, their efforts have led to nothing, except more splits amongst themselves; while The Bahai Faith, and its divinely ordained democratic  institutions , United as ONE have covered the planet.

This only confirms Baha'u'llah's promise that, in this new age  , for the first time in religious history, The Unity of the Faith of God will be Safeguarded.

These are not sects; as they have no life of their own; They are but , broken, fallen, dead branches..

If you are True and Sincere, you will "find" the Truth...

But sadly your dark ulterior motives are transparent and fool no one; they reek of insincerity.

The Anti Bahai Machinery's nightmare is their utter moral and spiritual bankruptcy, their total loss of face and credibility in the eyes of the people of Iran. 

What remains is futile attempts like this to spread lies and try to create doubt within the Bahais.

faryarm

Mr. Alborz

I do agree with you on a lot of the things you mentioned. I am sorry that such things are happening to the people of Bahai faith, anywhere.

But my point was not to dismiss that sad fact. It was to say that even within Islam, Muslims are suffering more at the hand of the fanatical individuals (some leaders and followers). Of course the same thing did happen to Christians centuries ago too, in a different way.

I know that your intensions are honorable but please note that it does not take a religious leader to create problems. A simple statement by an individual might be taken for granted and either misunderstood or misused by others.

I admit that I still do not know much about the Bahai faith but I do have a positive view of it.

Regards,
Salaam, Sol'h, Peace.

Faryarm

No doubt, these are small sects but these people are creating a lot of trouble for the baha'is. And in the future more and more trouble. These sects are not baseless, the study of each sect reveals that there is atleast some truth in each of them. I am trying to find you which one is the true sect. ;)

Yes, Anonym...fanaticism,

... can be found in people of any religion.  Yes it is possible, but the probability and its consequence is what is being discussed.

Mullahs frequently capitalize on this to increase the probability to fan the flames of fanaticism and in this case, literally set homes on fire.  The list of these instances in Iran is numerous and an entire site catalogues the tragic history of it.

//question.bahai.org/

You have made a number of other points which I will leave alone for now because it is clear that despite the number of articles on the Baha'i Faith you perceive that the Baha'is have clergy or leaders in the classic sense.  Let me just say it quite simply that they don't !  Each Baha'is is responsible for adhering to the teachings of Baha'u'llah, and just as any other human being, the Baha'is individually and many times collectively struggle to meet that lofty standar.  This is a challenge born out of our individual frailties.

Baha'is have elected institutions that conduct the administration of the affairs of the Faith. The propaganda conveyed to the contrary is just that, propoganda. 

The elected members are "servants" of the community and are determined by pluarity vote that is not based on a campaign, but because the community members recognize the required attributes in these individuals to be able to "serve" the Faith faithfully.  Individually they are lowly and humble "servants" of the Cause of Baha'u'llah.

None issues a command nor claims any authority. None professes divine knowledge nor seeks distinction.  The bounty of serving is their only recompense.

Should you re-read the article again hopefully you will see that this blog is about what happens when you combine the 3 ingredients (Media+Islam+Ignorance).  Islam by iteself is not the cause of these tragedies.   I know that and so does every other Baha'i.

When a Moslem comments here and dismisses these attacks in terms of numbers and statistics and furthermore, claims that the Baha'is have brought this onto themselves are shameful representations of Islam and an example of fanaticism here on the internet and in a blog.  How can he call himself a Moslem and yet expect a different reputation for the Faith of Muhammad?

Finally, I appreciate your thoughtful approach to this topic and be assured that I as a Baha'i respect Islam.  Any interpretation to the contrary is a misunderstanding.  I am the one amongst my Moslem friends who speaks up in defence of Islam, when they take a jab at Islam. This is not an uncommon occurance here on this site either.

Be Well,

Alborz

Badi..why dont you start your own

Badi..why dont you start one..

you need $35 to register a domain.

a good catchy web name with Bahai in it.

at least one follower...but 2 or 3 is more common

Fanaticism is not for one religion only

Mr Alboz,

I'd like to give you a short and informative response friend.

It is true that fanaticism is very active in some Islamic circles now and unfortunately promoted by some governments and groups, but that bothers you because you are a Bahai. Some of your Bahai brothers and sisters were put in danger and you don't like it. Unfortunately this problem is due to fanaticism and all people and religions suffer from it and it is human related.

If you think that the problem is with Muslim/Bahai religion only, you are wrong. Maybe it is for now, but the future decades and centuries may show a different path.

But maybe the worst thing is another religious conflict and the promoters of that from BOTH SIDES could be headed for the eternal darkness.

All Jews did not become Christians, but a few, all Christians and Jews did not become Muslims, but a few, and all Muslims, Christians and Jews may not become Bahai, but a few. Then again, one could be wrong.