Feminists vs Hajiagha debate

Anonymouse
by Anonymouse
07-Nov-2007
 

I thought of having a debate between Haji and Feminists. I just want to encourage feminists to join and take Haji as a challenge. I think if feminists can lead Haji in the right direction, they can lead anyone to understand feminism. I can moderate if necessary (translate if necessary) and it may be an interesting debate. Hopefully it won't be a bust. It's worth trying and I hope you encourage your feminists friends, not even feminists your female friends to participate. It can also be humorous.

As you may know Haji's job was to be humorous in Iran for Gol Agha newspaper and he has continued his sense of humor through his weekly cartoons and comments.

Haji has suggested for a volunteer to meet with him so others can see that he really respects women. I'm sure he is going to be respectful, funny and been told he is a good dinner conversationalist as well. Maybe a feminist can volunteer to have dinner with Haji and report back to us. Maybe even JJ or his private investors can pay for dinner for 2 in Vancouver since Haji has been a loyal contributor for many years now.

So without any further commotion, let's get this started. I'll ask the first questions, one question for Hajiagha and one question for feminists.

Hajiagha: Feminists believe modernity is essential in Iran for human rights and women's rights in particular. Do you believe modernity should be accepted for women in Iran?

Feminists: Hajiagha believes that women should not be equal to men in society because nature created them differently. What can you tell Hajiagha about the need to have equal rights for women?

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Sasha

So your hypothesis is ...........

by Sasha on

 Anonymouse,

So then your hypothesis is that the love and guidance of a good woman will help set Haji on a better path. It will soften his heart and clear his mind. He will once again see the beauty in life through the beauty of his wife's eyes.

 

Interesting view.......love conquers all.............stranger things have happened in life.......... men have been known to do almost anything for the love of a woman.......

 

Natalia (real name)


Anonymouse

Gol Agha cartoons

by Anonymouse on

This is a link to Gol Agha's cartoons where Haji worked before. These cartoons were published in Iran between 1995 - 2001. If we can find Haji a wife, you can expect him to go back to a more "accepted" style like these. It probably won't be good for some people who'll miss his current cartoons. But it'll be good for him and his future wife.

//iranian.com/Satire/golaqa.html


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Khanum hana I didn't name call anyone but expected it in this blog. Actually reading the comments so far we've faired pretty well. We'll be here if you change your mind.


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Men with no tokhm or adab

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Get a life. I hope you get your balls back. If you married who you did, it says a lot about you. Who marries the person you did? A loser. Someone who never even had any balls to begin with. Mommy issues? Depression? God knows what led you to her. But you deserve it.

To Anonymouse,
You see. Haji isn't that bad. At least he's funny. I'm not following this blog anymore. You guys are not mature. Name calling is so BORING.


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to Anonymouse

by Men Without Balls (not verified) on

You fucking scum bag, stop feeding off Hajiagha. Your blog is a dud.


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Anonymouse

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Well, no. Not with the jarrah ex hanging around feeling bad about breaking up over a dress. So, I don't know if Haji is THAT interesting.

Oh Cyrus don't comment please. Yes we all like educated polished good looking people who are in love with us and give us butterflies and make us want to have their children. Tell me you are different and your nose will start to get bigger pinokio.


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To khanumhana77

by Men Without Balls (not verified) on

You are just another scum bag feeding off Hajiagha. Why don’t you just tell us how much the whore in you has made so far. Wait, before you reply with a comment just add it up and give us a dollar amount.


Anonymouse

East coast may be a problem

by Anonymouse on

Khanum hana are you going to pay for your own ticket to Vancouver? Vancouver is very nice like Heaven they say, so you can take a weekend get away and meet Haji at the same time?


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Anonymouse

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Chivalry is fine and great. I meant that I didn't want to take money because I can take care of getting there and not putting Haji in too much zahmat. It's important that he feels comfortable so he can be himself. That's all. Chivalry is great, as is nazo eshveh. This wouldn't be a typicaln first date (otherwise I agree with your expert opinion 100%). I am not cold or vicitim of anything. I agree with your opinion. East coast.


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Cyrus

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Ha Ha Ha hendune enghad bekhand ke ghash koni.

- irunieh
- ammash duste mamaname and it was only polite to visit
- yes he dumbped me. so what?
- it wasn't late night here where I'm at, even if it was, so what? everytime you go out at night it's to beg for sex? say what???
- Im at work and typing fast. Please let us know when you win the nobel prize for literature and get your post doc in enligh lit. we will pay YOU to go sit with haji.


Anonymouse

Cyrus are you "helping" us?!

by Anonymouse on

We don't want this to go into a he said she said slug fest. I'm sure we are all Experts at insulting each other.


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Khanumhana 77

by Cyrus- (not verified) on

HA HA HA ;
- Yes I did go to see the ex boyfriend not husband (hence I was never married). I did not spend the night (not that it's any of anyone's business). His Ammeh was in town!!!!!! I went for chai.

when was the last time a woman went to see an ex-boyfriends Ammeh late at nite?? you could be the only one. He must have dumped you? you poor thing going there for beg for sex. He must be a non-iranian.
and as for you being a corporate executive with a university degree working on the second one, HA HA HA again , your english sucks big time.
when was the last time you saw a corporate executive writing something for the public to read with all those mistakes in it?? they usually edit what they write. but then again you are an exception, because you are an iranian woman. you make me laugh


Anonymouse

What about Chivalry?

by Anonymouse on

Khanum hana good to know you are a feminist. Feminism must have come a long way since I had the experience with them about 10 - 15 years ago. Although, there are women who I think are feminists of the past still calling Haji a "nekbat"!
Anyway, we didn't mean you or Haji are cheap or anything. Since Haji suggested a volunteer, we were just trying to find a volunteer and pay for the dinner out of goodness of our hearts. To say our gratitude to Haji for his many years of service (comedy) for us and the volunteer's hemat. JJ hasn't responded about iranian.com's promotional "gift card" yet.
Besides, what's wrong with chivalry? what's wrong about opening the door or paying for the dinner? at least on the first few dates. Personally I think guys who don't pay for dinner on the first days are just cheap or broke at best. and Women who pay for their dinner on first date, either too cold or under obligation or victim of Dine and Dash!

Talking about feminist studies can be the subject after 30 minutes of Vancouver bashing. I think Haji has some ideas of his own from when he lived in Iran and talked to freedome fighting women.

At the end, ma nafahmidim where you are? eastern or western Canada?


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Yeknafar

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Abjee! Gee!

Many people underestimate the power of a divorce. Just ask the abuse guy with the molestation comments below. With children, I am sure your reasons not to divorce isn't all financial and about living in a big house. It's not black and white and you probably have many reasons. Share them with us, come on.

It doesn't look like you are satisfied if you think the situation is depressing. So why not just stop? You say you are 33. That gives you plenty of time to keep quiet and just forget what happened and move on. You do have the option of setting the stage for a future divorce. Changes are your kids are young. You can work harder and have a real job. If you don't already. Save some money. If you can. Get mentally stronger. When you feel the time is right, you can break off amicablly.

I am not advocating adultry or divorce. But it sounds like you aren't happy. Take control and change it.


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Anonymouse

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Anonymouse,

Nice to know I am still in the running. But lack of applicants is probably the reason for that.

I never said having another man is ok! I was referring to prior experience as a generalization. I didn't mean that the ex would come along.

I wouldn't need Haji Agha's money (or iranian.com's cash). I would pay for myself. It's a first date and a blind one. Only a cheap person would expect a stranger to pay for their dinner. The point would have been to meet the celebrity Haji and have a nice dinner and eat some good food.

And I am a feminist. So there's at least one here. I took many women's studies courses too, so I'm not all talk and no action. I studied some of the stuff here like marriage, divorce, men's rights/responsibilities, women's rights/responsibilities, women in the middle east, etc

As a feminist, I think Haji has a lot of good points in his cartoons. Feminism isn't about women ruling the world. When women are losers, they should be depicted in cartoons. But the problem is, he should also show loser, low life men. So we can be equal and all.


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Cyrus

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Ok I can see how I could come across as a lying slut (hmmm I could totally generalize right now about Iranian men and THEIR mentality, but I won't, moving right along...)

- I think both partners should have at least some sort of sexual experience even if it isn't going all the way. I never said this right is exclusive to the woman or the man.

- Yes I did go to see the ex boyfriend not husband (hence I was never married). I did not spend the night (not that it's any of anyone's business). His Ammeh was in town!!!!!! I went for chai.

- Lying sluts? sure. Many women are lying sluts. Just like many men are lying bastards. So what?


Anonymouse

Where are feminists?

by Anonymouse on

What happened? I thought it would be harder to get Haji to participate. You don't have to be equal, you can be more than equal, just tell us why. You don't have to write a dissertation, just a comment or 2.



Also, no more applicants? No one wants a free dinner in a nice place with a nice funny man in a nice city?


Anonymouse

AnonymousYek Nafar you have a story to tell

by Anonymouse on

Circumstances you find yourself in is different. It's not unique, people fall into this trap a lot. Not that they plan it, you just end up this way. Who would have children if they thought their marriage would become a total disaster? Perhaps you should consider collecting your losses and move on. You may live in a large house and be financially secure, but if you're miserable, slow down and move to a smaller place and easier lifestyle and enjoy the rest of your life. You can't always think about nickel and dimes. Mehram halal, joonam azad! That goes both ways, for you and your husband. I'm sure your husband has his side of the story, but what does it matter, if it is not working, it is not working.


Anonymouse

Men Without Balls, if your story is even partly true

by Anonymouse on

we all know that in most cases the first marriages are just to warm up. Dast garmi. Haji talks about fucking every night and we all know that to be a myth, but he needs to find this out for himeself. A note to all prospective "applicants" that if this goes well, you don't have to worry about viagra or cialis! Everyone is given one life, in some cases women rush through the productive years and in the golden years, they can't be a "gold digger" anymore. They have to rely on themselves and in most cases that is not a good picture.


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Khanumhana 77

by Cyrus- (not verified) on

Khanumhana77 ;

let me copy/paste some of your comments about men and women.

If I were a man, I would never date a woman without a career. I would date her to see if she has ambition and isn't lazy. Also, I would want her to have had sex at least with one other person. I wouldn't want to be stuck with some virgin who decides 10 years later that she missed out on something.

As a woman, I would never date a man without a good job. Or aspirations for a good job. A man who reads. A man who dates. Has a nice family. A man who is respectful to other humans and the environment. A man who likes to have fun. I would look at his friends. I would see how he reacts to stress.

So, even though you are never sure, you have to be realistic. That story about rape and abuse and Haji's story about the Ottawa lady are exceptions. And freedom for women also has given men in iran some freedom.

Shab bekheir bande miram pishe ex !

Reading your comments you are advocating that a woman should have sex prior to marriage, but for a man you only recommand dating, no sex involved here.
and at the end you finish your writing by saying that you are going to spend the night with your ex.
Is this an ex-husband , or an ex-boyfriend?
If he(maybe a she) is an ex , then howcome in an earlier message you say about yourself as never been married?
Now here ia the fact that us Iranian men are convinced about you Iranian women; you are a bunch of no good lying sluts.


Anonymouse

Haji we can't transfer money for cartoons

by Anonymouse on

People use PayPal to pay by credit cards on internet these days. No one wires money to checking or savings accounts for merchandise. Just find out about PayPal and how people can order through your website and setup an account. We can't resolve it here, you need to spend some time and figure it out. It'll be your own new business. We can send you cash once we find you a date, so you can spend it on dinner in Vancouver. You will spend it on the date, right? We don't want you to spend it on mechanics or something else. You can keep the rest but should have enough for a good dinner.


Anonymouse

Bargard khanooom hana ghahr nakon

by Anonymouse on

We still don't know how far you are from Vancouver? we can't pay for plane tickets, just the dinner for 2. Haji gave his address so if this goes well and you guys can decide on the restaurant, we can start sending cash to him, so he can spend it on the dinner. Maybe we can select the winner next week. You guys have to communicate with email first and my suggestion is to first meet at a coffee shop, Starbucks, for coffee. Blind dates are always unsatisfactory the first time, either for the man or the woman. Once you get past talking for a few minutes over coffee, then you can go for dinner another night. It'll be dinner so what's wrong with free dinner? as long as you don't bring your ex, it should be fine! You said yourself another man should be ok before getting married. So, stick around, we still have your application if you want to reconsider.


Anonymouse

I was close Hajiagha

by Anonymouse on

Looks good. 4 years younger and an inch shorter. Doesn't Canada go by metric system, like centimeter (cm) and kilogram (kg)? I'd delete the last sentence about sending photo. Let them send you an email first, then you can ask for photo in the email. It'll be more personal that way. I'd also put a picture where you are smiling. This way they think you are a Mexican. Are you also saying somewhere you are in Victoria? I think the craiglist says it on the topic. The rest look prrettty good!

So looks like you do have good values and we should probably factor (factor begirim) the other stuff. Haji what about food? Do you expect to eat chelo morgh or chelo khoresht every night?


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سنگ صبور حاحی هر چی می خواهد دلت تنگت بگو...محلی برای درد دل

hajiagha


//hajiagha.tripod.com

I know what is the problems with are Iranian man, honest you are just working 15 hours day hard to make money and money and money , what is the last times you get home and get fuck ? women need to fuck hard by man, they don't care black or white, why they are going after others just for sex . now go to bed and fuck hard and tell me what you-thinks do every night you then wife going to love you, women are in ashamed they never ask for sex, you need to get them ready like cat playing with muse if I had chance to date female I will fuck her every night ,


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And I am young. I am only

by AnonymousYek Nafar (not verified) on

And I am young. I am only 33. I am nice. I have a nice family. Nice job. A great marriage by most standards. So I am not some hayula jende woman. Neither is the man I sleep with. But sometimes, some situations put you in a place you cannot control. I was never sexually satisfied and I decided that I am only 33. I cannot get divorced, that is out of the question. So I decided to find a way to maybe feel what it;s like to have good sex and an orgasm. Also, I have no attachments to my husband because I didn't marry for love. So, I wanted to know what an attachment feels like. All this I am sharing with you to warn you also. Don't judge people's lives. Learn a lesson and get a better life. But things aren't what they seem. Many good people are in situations that Haji Agha cartoons about them. But they are not what he presents. No one is proud of a bad act. But there are cases when a bad act makes you experience things that if you didn't, you would feel dead.


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What an interesting topic. I

by AnonymousYek Nafar (not verified) on

What an interesting topic. I am a woman. Married. 3 Kids. I married under circumstances that were not ideal. I now have a boyfriend on the side who is married with 2 kids. We love our families. We don't plan to divorce. But we enjoy each other every now and then.

I am writing this to you to inform you of a fact no one talks about. Marriage today, is not what it used to be. Not socially, financially, economically...not even emotionally. And that is sad. Very sad.

My situation is extremely depressing. Very very depressing. To a point you cannot imagine. If it weren't for my family obligations, i would probably kill myself because I am so tired of this arrangement.

But lonliness has a cost. Sometimes, the best people end up in the worse situations. Some day I will write about the story and enter it here so you can no what it is really like.

It isn't about sex. It is about lonliness.


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Haji, believe me it is better to stay single

by bachelor (not verified) on

Haji, there is everything good about finding sex partner, but avoid marraige.

I have never been married and am so happy. I have peaceful life with hope of finding my dream woman someday and I know that day will never come, but I have a drea. On the other hand I have never met a happy couple in my entire life.

What it says, is that people get tired of each other, they get sick of the same thing everyday and they get "buyers' remorse." But too late, they are committed to each other. So what they do? They get a lawyer and file for divorce and get into a fight and finally separate and then divorce and carry a lifetime of bitterness.

So, why to get married when you know sooner or later you have to divorce?

Same advice I have for women, stay single and just enjoy life.....


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I would like to add this

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

I would like to add this before signing off.

There are many evil people out there who always do bad things. Men and women.

Freedom and living in the west has given women some sexual freedoms. But by the same token, the islamic regime in iran has given men some sexual freedoms too (more than one wife + seegheh). Before, men couldn't seegheh or marry so many women so easily. Now they can. So the knife cuts both ways.

Bad people are everywhere. It has nothing to do with being in Canada or being a woman or man.

Each person has to just be careful about who they date or marry. You can never know 100 % but that's what dating is for. Getting to know the person and their family. Their job...

If I were a man, I would never date a woman without a career. I would date her to see if she has ambition and isn't lazy. Also, I would want her to have had sex at least with one other person. I wouldn't want to be stuck with some virgin who decides 10 years later that she missed out on something.

As a woman, I would never date a man without a good job. Or aspirations for a good job. A man who reads. A man who dates. Has a nice family. A man who is respectful to other humans and the environment. A man who likes to have fun. I would look at his friends. I would see how he reacts to stress.

So, even though you are never sure, you have to be realistic. That story about rape and abuse and Haji's story about the Ottawa lady are exceptions. And freedom for women also has given men in iran some freedom.

Shab bekheir bande miram pishe ex !


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Per capita . . .

by Javad agha (not verified) on

Per capita, the U.S. has the largest number of gold diggers.

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There are many cases, e.g., Emad who lives in the U.S. was taken to cleaners (so to speak); now he lives in an Apartment and the Ey-ranian gold digger wife lives in his house. He worked and put down the downpayment before marrying.

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Yes, more men are stupid in comparison to women. So let us do not blame the women. Women are milking anything they can put their hands on in return for a little milk which they give.


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سنگ صبور حاحی هر چی می خواهد دلت تنگت بگو...محلی برای درد دل

hajiagha


//hajiagha.tripod.com

or just live togethers and do not sign any paper, because you never know what is going happen, same i saw in Ottawa a handsome Iranian with good looking tall Iranian girls and a boy child , I was thinking looking this lucky man beautiful wife nice kids one years later wife divorced and get to sleep with other man and left child with man , I had friend he had every nigh conversation with some women in vancouver, years later I became ten net to one of this women and I saw she had husband and at sane time have sex with several young man....please , some respect what is going on here with are women , you can not handle this freedom


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Anonymouse, I take my

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Anonymouse, I take my application back. The ex called and he is sorry.

Oh well....