Feminists vs Hajiagha debate

Anonymouse
by Anonymouse
07-Nov-2007
 

I thought of having a debate between Haji and Feminists. I just want to encourage feminists to join and take Haji as a challenge. I think if feminists can lead Haji in the right direction, they can lead anyone to understand feminism. I can moderate if necessary (translate if necessary) and it may be an interesting debate. Hopefully it won't be a bust. It's worth trying and I hope you encourage your feminists friends, not even feminists your female friends to participate. It can also be humorous.

As you may know Haji's job was to be humorous in Iran for Gol Agha newspaper and he has continued his sense of humor through his weekly cartoons and comments.

Haji has suggested for a volunteer to meet with him so others can see that he really respects women. I'm sure he is going to be respectful, funny and been told he is a good dinner conversationalist as well. Maybe a feminist can volunteer to have dinner with Haji and report back to us. Maybe even JJ or his private investors can pay for dinner for 2 in Vancouver since Haji has been a loyal contributor for many years now.

So without any further commotion, let's get this started. I'll ask the first questions, one question for Hajiagha and one question for feminists.

Hajiagha: Feminists believe modernity is essential in Iran for human rights and women's rights in particular. Do you believe modernity should be accepted for women in Iran?

Feminists: Hajiagha believes that women should not be equal to men in society because nature created them differently. What can you tell Hajiagha about the need to have equal rights for women?

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My apologies to Khanumhana77 and Anonymous

by Men Without Balls (not verified) on

I am publicly apologizing to Khanumhana77 and Anonymous for insulting them for their comments and blog. My action was rude and inexcusable by any means.
Sorry.


Anonymouse

Foto

by Anonymouse on

Who knows what would happen to someone's photo.  Problem is not photo either.  Khanumhana Hajiagha is real, I showed you the link when he became actual news with his photo.  He's been drawing for Iraniancom for many years.  I guess like some other Iranian men he is now more used to prostitutes than regular women.  I think we accomplished our goals in this blog.  We showed that Feminists and Hajiagha are pretty much two sides of the same coin.  We also found him a date.  He is happy the way he is and we should probably leave it at that.  The rest is just rhetoric and fun.  Perhaps we should just sit back and watch him humor us and stay out of his business. 

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Hajiagha in the end no one is going to send you (a famous cartoonist of women :-) a photo. You shouldn't depend on photo either.  Do you think anyone is going to send you or any other man a bad photo of themselves?  They can send you a photo of Miss Canada and end up being mother of fuladzereh.  Or worse send you a photo and then laugh behind your back when you show up for the date.


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Correction. He send me 3 or

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Correction. He send me 3 or 4 emails. I've deleted them so i can't be sure but I don't want to have lied here.

It was my mistake to go on so strong. Haji, I am sorry to have taken your time, but as I said in my last email, boro beguz.


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Here's my take. I was

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Here's my take. I was totally ready to talk to him. If I liked him, I would have gladly send pictures. Problem is, I am not willing to send pictures to some persona I don't even know exists. But I am not some wierdo slut or whatever you might want to label me. I am not about to send a photo graph to a stranger over the net. Anonymouse, am I nuts???? I don't think so.

I have for some time been very skeptical about the existance of Haji Agha. Even if I were ugly, he could talk to me and then see and judge a picture accourding to his taste. Although I assure you I am very pretty. Had he established contact, I would even have posted a picture here. After meeting, I would have posted some pics from the date. But he didn't even want to go that far.

I am pretty sure Haji is not real. He is a character. Even if you read Anonymouse's dictionary, as mentioned by others, Haji's bad english doesn't make sense. His mistakes are all at the wrong places. He gets the usual Iranian bad grammer correctly and makes mistakes in areas where Iranians usually have an easy time at.

Anonymouse and Haji agha maybe the same. I don't know. But I don't think Haji is real. If he was real he would at least have talked to me. He send me 2 emails. Each were 2 lines each like a telegraph. Here is one example:

On 11/16/07, ted hajiagha wrote:
be hard same as others women, stay single rest of your life, thank you,
hajiagha

Now I ask you. Have I been hard? I am the only one who submitted an application, I was flexible, I said I would pay for my own ticket since I am going there any way, I send the first email (since he wasn't contacting me), I continued to pursue him like a gay man going after another guy. You are all witnesses. And HE tells ME I am hard? Come on dige baba ki ro mikhay maskhare koni? mano?

I am not even 30, so I am secure in the fact that I will not stay single the rest of my life. I have dates whenever I want. I am nice. Even if I was a bad attitudi ugly 45 year old lady, what kind of an email is that Haji??? That's how you deal with women when it doesn't go any where? Sad rahmat be break up kardan ba to. Labod fosho fosh kari mishe.

So here is my assessment: Haji is not accustomed to speaking to women and dealing with their naz and intricate behaviour (most of which I held back). He is harsh and not flexible. He will definately find someone. But this person will have EXTREME lack of self worth to be with a person like him. Perhaps he is nice and kind and smart and sociable, but that is yet to be seen.


Sasha

Anonymouse...Haji is too busy....

by Sasha on

Haji is too busy posting comments on other articles and blogs on iranian.com.

 

Other women have sent Haji a picture of them and yet nothing was done on his part. I can assure you some of them were rather beautiful and intelligent among many other good qualities.

 

I am beginning to think he has a fear of meeting a woman and talking to her in person. He seems to be sobataging things for himself. I am not sure if he is aware he is doing it.

 

Sometimes it is difficult to break a pattern when it has been done for so long. It is not like there is a switch you can just turn off.

 

Anonymouse at least you really did try to help him. However, there comes a time when Haji has to help himself.


Anonymouse

Hajiagha why do you need photo??

by Anonymouse on

This is not shahre farang.  Khanumhana is willing to meet you in person, you want "photo"??  What difference does it make? she is either pretty or ugly.  You are going to have a coffee in a mall and look at her.  If she is ugly, say goodbye.  If she is pretty, you say hello.  Send her an email and say some nice things and TALK to her.  She is willing to call you and talk to you on the TELEPHONE.  It's like everything is right in front of you and you are kicking it away. Good luck.


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7 am i get out to works and back home by 5 pm

by hajiagha on

//hajiagha.tripod.com

خانم های محترم توحه کنند اگر برای آشنائی وبه قسط ازدواح ایمیل میزنید هیچ ایرادی نداره که لا اقل عکس و مشخصات ساده شما هم در ضمینه با شه مگر من از روی خحالت و......مطلب میده مثل بچه ها فکر نکنید...عشق عاشقی هم از ما گذشت 41 سله عمر تخمی خدا به من داده.....با رنح های فرآوان....پس بهتره با هم رو راست باشیم.....

sorry but I need to pay bills, drive 45 km to get and install some doors then to another's place which need painting, but why JJ for another's times censored my letter on Iranian? I don't know to day during a local news was talking about dangerous Iranian gang member wanted by police he was ran a way from jail....last week same radio 980 am had programed about another's young Iranian which he shot and kill a young Canadian girl out save the night club I am so disappointed about J why he like to cover all this thinks I can tell you living between Iranian in Canada in Vancouver is one of the most worst thinks ever , and why I try to be far from this stupid society , most of the Iranian young in Vancouver are they on dru8gs or in gangs or ...ashamed in are community and why we should try to cover, this

others khanom hana send me your photo


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Anonymouse in Hajieh shoma

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Anonymouse in Hajieh shoma aslan tahvil nemigire. Saresham shayad shulugh bashe vali baba ye nazi goftan ye mahal gozashtani goftan. Aslan engar na engar inja shoma barash zahmat mikeshin. Khaste shodam az bas email check kardam nayumade hichi. Man poolaki nistam chon andaze kafi daram. I love art. Hamishe doro baram pore artiste. Delam miukhast meetesh konam. For real. I'm pretty...actually chera shekaste nafsi mikonam, i'm hot. Unam be nazaram birikht nayumad. Definately some one I would at least have a date or 2. Vali man delam mikhad yekamaki nazamo bekeshan in suresho dar avorde. not fun...
application withdrawn


Anonymouse

Khanumhana Haji reads the comments

by Anonymouse on

by the cover! He knows what we've talked about here. He just wants to break the ice. He is a good conversationalist but sometimes repeats things. Anyway, as far as his English just read between the lines and get an idea. That should be enough. If he meant something else, that's ok, you can ask him in person when you meet him or get a chance to talk to him. You can use my dictionary too.

I didn't mean to say where to go, just some ideas. We as readers can "talk behind your back" and gossip and decide for you guys as to what is a good restaurant in Vancouver. Can't we? Dome on its Friday.

You can ask him for a phone number so you can call and talk to him. If he doesn't want to give his number yet, ask him if there is a public phone you can call and he can pick up. You can say it is easier to talk and it'll make it easier on him to save his English energy!

Obviously there is mistrust in the internet and maybe it should be with all the weirdos and such. This is like trying to get USA and Iran on the same negotating table.


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Anonymouse, take it easy!

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Anonymouse, take it easy! You can't tell us what to talk about or where to go. We will decide via email and report, if it even gets there. So, thanks for the research, I can see you are excited.
And don't expect to much. So far, in his email he has asked whether I am female and if I am "old". I am going to print your Hajiagha dictionary so I can interpret it better and when in doubt, I will ask you.
But it is annoying that he hasn't been following these posts because he would know that I am not old, I am pretty, for god's sake of course I am female (I am willing to speak to either one of you on the phone), and I am nice. Perhaps you could type in Farsi some of the information exchanged here and email it to him.


Anonymouse

How about we look at some Menus?

by Anonymouse on

While we wait for more and better news, lets go to 2nd base which for Hajiagha would be dinner after coffee in a Vancouver mall on the first date.

This is a fine restaurant in Granville street. Not sure if the area is full of lesbians or not but it is expesive. Reminder it'll be on us the readers, mehmoone ma.

//www.connorbutler.com/menu/

For appetizer how about Six Kusshi Oysters. Or Melon Geleé that is Avacado with radish.

For entree how about Mission Trout and Lobster Newburg. I can imagine Haji cracking the lobster shells.

For desert how about Dessert “Dessert “Tasting Menu” for $60. Lets have fun and have a little taste of everything.

Or you can go Japanese here and let them cook in front of you. This way after half hour of Vancouver bashing you can get entertained by the chef and his swords. Click on menu to see the food selection.

//www.tojos.com/

If all fails you can have Iranian food. There is this Zagros place in downtown which sounds good.

//www.dinehere.ca/restaurant.asp?r=2634


Anonymouse

Khanumhana finally!

by Anonymouse on

Finally! At this point I think we've accomplished our goal which was to put Haji and you in touch. Remember you gave us half hour of Vancouver bashing and then upgraded it to one hour of Vancouver bashing.

So lets make another deal. Lets spend the extra half hour of Vancouver bashing another way. How about 15 minutes of talabkari from women in general and 15 minutes of freedom bashing. Lets also take 15 minutes off of the original Vancouver bashing and add it to general complains on anything from air to ocean to high cost of living.

I hope you guys can meet in person and let us know how it turned out. I have a feeling it'll be fun if both of you show hemat!

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Hajiagha be nice. In tan bemire aberoye maro hefz kon! Kheir pish.


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YAY!!! We're finally getting

by Farhad J (not verified) on

YAY!!!
We're finally getting somewhere!
Haji joon, dorost raftar koni ha, naaz ham nakon.
Kanum Hana kheili khanoomi kardeh keh inghadr sabr kardeh. Afarrin!
Ageh in forsat ra az dast bedi digeh hagh-e ghor zadan nadari!
Hala in gooy o in meydan baraye har dotoon!
You go guys!


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Anonymouse Man nemikhastam

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Anonymouse

Man nemikhastam biam inja vali emruz emailamo check kardam didam Haji email dadan. So far, just a hello (a little on the talabkar side) but very courteous. He is welcome to leave comments here if he wishes and I will keep you up to date should we decide to pursue this.


Anonymouse

Hajiagha send the first email as a man

by Anonymouse on

khanumhana7@gmail.com

is Khanumhana's email who is a nice lady 29 or 30 who is willing to meet you in person. But you need to send the first email. Come on man! If you don't send her the first email. Ajab geeree kardim ha! Let's do this, after all this time, we are so close. She sounds nice, don't let her slip by. Send the first email to khanumhana7@gmail.com and let us know. We're waiting to hear from you after you send the first email. First email!


Anonymouse

Khanumhana this was never a joke

by Anonymouse on

The note Haji sent below in farsi said he is moving to a new place and busy getting it ready to be his art gallery also. So I'm guessing this is why he hasn't responded. After all the complainings now that someone is finally ready to meet him, he is moving and busy.

Khanumhana this was never a joke but our guest of honor is a cartoonist so he has a sense of humor and jokes were expected. But not on the basic points of interest. Anyway, looks like Haji is back. I hope you stick around until we get Haji to finally send you an email and set a date.


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hajiagha where is my honey

by hajiagha on

//hajiagha.tripod.com

با با ما غلط کردیم گفتیم زن می خوام ....شما حا لا کوتاه بیا ئید با هم دعوا نکنید ...صدها کاریکاتور تازه داره زیر دست jj خاک می خوره و هنوز شما آنها را ندیدید......اگر یک خانم اهل زندگی هم پیدا شد که پو لکی نباشه وبا ملاقه وکفکیر تو سر من نزنه .....خبر بدهید بابا 42 سالگی ا ازراه داره میرسه و آخرسر هم می ترسم حوآن مرگ از دنیا برم....قربان همه حاحی


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Obviously he isn't

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Obviously he isn't interested. Omidvaram ke hamatun hade aghal khub khandideh bashin, glad I could be of service.
Khoda negahdar = for good this time.


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Anonymouse Still no word!

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

Anonymouse

Still no word! Let me start by saying that if this is a joke I am game! But if you are serious, your little friend should send me an email soon. Because it seems like he isn't interested, which is fine. But come on....loos bazi nashe lotfan, I am serious and I expect you dudes to be too.


Sasha

Actually Khanumhana deserves a ...........:o)

by Sasha on

 Actually she deserves a medal for taking on such a challenge. She is definitely a stronger woman than I am. :o)

 

Good luck Khanumhana and make sure to take a lot of Tylenol with you.

 

The good thing is that she speaks Farsi and it will make it easier for Haji to communicate with her.


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Mouse is right

by Rosie T...... (not verified) on

Iranian men are shy with women

and beligerent with each other.
R.


Anonymouse

Stereotyping Iranian men AND women

by Anonymouse on

I didn't mention the doctors or engineers. Didn't say they don't deserve the stereotypes either. It's just that you learn more about a person by stereotyping and see how well they fit it.


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For the record, he hasn't

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

For the record, he hasn't emailed me yet! And let's not push it ok? Most of the stereotypes about Iranian men are dorky short fat bald engineers or doctors who studys a lot and is a bit of a mama's boy...


Anonymouse

Iranian men don't know how to talk to an "Iranian" woman because

by Anonymouse on

Iranian men don't know how to talk to an "Iranian" woman because of the stereotypes I stated below. Iranian women claim Iranian men know one thing and that is sex with anything that moves. So Iranian men CAN talk to "foreign" women to pick them up and have sex with, but they CAN'T talk to Iranian women because Iranian women are "too classy" for them. It's funny. On both sides!

Sasha it's not enough for a woman to just say Haji is a gentleman, we need a woman to go meet him in person, have a date/dinner with him and report back to us. Maybe have a photo album to share on Iranian.com. Khanumhana is the front runner and she should be applauded for being a volunteer. I'm sure if this goes through, she'll have a good memory for her effort. Something exciting that she can remember as being fun or funny. A new kind of blind date, with someone as famous as Hajiagha!


Sasha

A man has to be the man.......

by Sasha on

 What do you mean that Iranian men do not know how to talk to a woman?  How hard is it to tell a woman how they feel about them? How difficult is it to email or call a woman?

 

Look if a man likes a woman then he should be man enough to do the chasing. Women should not have to go chasing after no man.

 

Also, tell Haji to be more careful when deleting his emails. We don't want him deleting any potential candidates.

 

I have previously corresponded with  Haji by email and he does know how to be a gentleman. However, someone needs to explain to him that all women like to "talk, talk, talk".  It was his complaint about women in general. :o)

 

No, I have no intentions of pursuing a relationship with Haji. So don't even think of it Anonymouse.

 


Anonymouse

Khanumhana Iranian men are shy?

by Anonymouse on

One more thing about Iranian men, they need someone to khastegaree for them. They don't know how to talk to a woman. Well let's give Haji the benefit of the doubt that he is busy. But why don't you send him a nice email and say something. We apologize on his behalf ;-) he is busy


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He hasn't said a single word

by khanumhana77 (not verified) on

He hasn't said a single word 2 me. HE can email me at khanumhana7@gmail.com I'm not continuing unless I hear from him. I'm the girl for god's sake....


Anonymouse

Khanumhana have you sent Haji an email?

by Anonymouse on

Khanumhana have you sent Haji an email? Please let us know if you have put a foot forward with Haji. Maybe he didn't receive your email. I can imagine his emails be SPAM magnet.


Anonymouse

Financially secure to the bone!

by Anonymouse on

Hajiagha women usually don't respond to personal ads by men. Unless for your occupation you state "Vice President of Operation" or "Chief Operating Officer of a Fortune 500 company" or "Investment Banker" or "Chief Surgeon" and other fancy titles. Try it. As soon as you fancy your occupation title, responses from women will pour!

And then when you respond and they find out you are "chief" of your domain only, they'll just go away. The chances of finding a "wife" in the Iranian personal ads is like winning a lottery. You can get dates but then find out they all have issues. Most of them have bad broken relationships before. Have you noticed what kind of a man they are looking for? In addition to all the other requirements, you should be "financially secure" or "financially secure to the bone" not sure what's the difference, but both are listed!

You'll have a better chance of finding someone in this website, since you are famous and women know you here and follow your cartoons.

Try changing your cartoons to show what Iranian women say about Iranian men. Feminists didn't show up here much, but some of their previous comments are like these. Iranian men fuck anything that moves. Iranian men have no class. Iranian men don't know anything about romance. Iranian men are cheap and liars. Iranian men drive BMWs but live in basements. Iranian men's idea of dressing nice is wearing leather. Iranian men are short and bald. Try some of these Iranian women's perception of Iranian men and you'll get better responses!

Have you talked to Khanumhana or had email with her? Come on don't loose this chance. A date with her can be the key to your success with Iranian women in this website. As long as she can have a good report from you to share with everyone else.


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Haji joon bodoooo, Telefono

by asghar-i (not verified) on

Haji joon bodoooo, Telefono var dar, haji telefoneo daryab , bodoo ma darimet!
Forsat az dast nareh!
khanum hana jooon in hajji bache khoobiyeh
azyatesh nakoniha...
Anonymouse jan, do taraf ro bishtar beheshoon beres, mesl inkeh sar-o sedaye khabary-e khoob miad.
Haji telefono var dar .....


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