Capt Ayhab

I apologize

I was not addressing you Captain. I was addressing the sanctions supporters. Sanctions are just a kiss and a hug away from war. Sanctions are MEANT to fail. They are meant to radicalize nations and turn them into targets. Buzz off Israel and USA. Iranians are not cattle and livestock. They are a sovereign nation who are capable of determining their fate. 

......is Reza Pahlavi still issuing those Payams from the commode of George Bush where he sounded like he was in a Khuzestan bunker and NOT at his Pottery Barn table setting? That was so embarrassing and clumsy. We should nominate Reza Pahlavi for fail blog. 

Where have you been?

And do I understand how banking works, particularly in Iran.

visit my profile then ask me what I teach.

-YT 

Sweet of  you on Ali's memorial

Do you understand how banking works in Iran?

It depends on oil. If you starve Iranians of oil wealth, you will hurt their banks. That means that the wealth our families have in Iran will be wiped out. That means interest will fall. Iranians depend on that solid interest. I know that sounds ok and our families are just terrorists who have tea parties, but still. Tof to the sanctions policies. They are just a step to war. Dishonest advocates all over this site these days. Not everyone is like the Pahlavis and Mullahs with swiss and canadian accounts from coast to coast. 

Family in Iran or Not

Point is not whether we have family member in Iran who are going to be subject of starvation and another bloody imposed war. Point of the fact is that there are close to 70 million hard working women and men in that piece of land called Iran, who, unlike you and I have to bare the consequences of calls of[ever so cowardly and criminaly] air tight sanctions and eventual military attack on the nation.

You ask me personally?!

I do not care what your political preference is, I do not care what  social back ground you come form, I do not care what you stand for, I do not care about size of your house, year model  of your car, caret weight of the CZ ring on your beloved's finger, which you presented to her as real, I do not care about any of those things that drive people lately.

All I care about is........ How many people are you willing to have starved, killed, bombed, slaughtered until you get the piece of miserable and stinking land/apartment/bank account that you are promised?

Do you, as whom ever you are, want to debate the merits of your motivations? Are you willing to stand and represent one single point that is going to help your country?, other than repeating the talking points that you have seen here and there?

People.........IT is not called Patriotism when you repeat the words without any convictions and  without any true meanings. It is called being a TALKING HEAD.

It is called man without a substance. It is called ....................... FILL IN THE BLACK

-YT 

Captain ;)

It was at the tip of my tongue .. ;) 

Another Iran

Those who support sanctions perhaps don't have to worry about any old parents or relatives.  Only the wealthiest and the most powerful can escape the effect of petroleum sanctions.

Mr. MRX1

You noted[ 2) An order of immideate arrest and trial for crimes against humanity if these goons step out of Iran.]

Out of curiosity! Would you and do you hold the same firm position[noble indeed and I am serious] about any other person/government/nation that has committed "Crimes Against Humanity"?

And if so, could you kindly direct this humble poster to your comments/blogs/news contributions?

Much obliged

-YT 

Mehrdad jan

Absolutely agreed.  We have a lot of power and resources to help the struggle of people in Iran, those can be equally used to destroy them .. Thanks mate.

Thanks Fousul Bashi, I agree whole heartedly

We, from outside of Iran, can only provide support not dictate as what should happen to Iranians or what sort of system they should have if we truly believe in an independent Iran run and rule by Iranians.

One asks what we can do, well at the least we can provide material and moral support. We can organize and influence outside governments, in particular the US government, to be more supportive of the Iranian people and their struggle, organize against military adventurism in Iran, organize for financial support just in case they (Iranian people) should start strikes, perhaps with our donation we can ease their suffering a bit. There is lots we can do but first we need to unite and carry one voice. The voice needs to be supportive of the Iranian people first and for most.

Mehrdad

MrX1 - Iranians demand, we obey!

Didn't thousands come out and shouted "death to Velaayat-e faghih"? or "Khamenei ghateleh, velaayatesh baateleh", or "ra'aye maro dozdidan"?  Were they free to shout those slogans, in fact were they free to hold the demos in the first place????? NO.  But they did it.

So if people in Iran feel equally that petroleum sanction or any other type of sanction is what they need (or indeed war!!) they would shout it, they would let us know.

Captain

Agree to a dot, refigh.  Many people who call for sanctions do not have family there (in fact I can't think any of them do unless they are very very rich) and do not realise the devastation it could cause and how it would kill that brave movement. 

Fozul Bashi I didn't get it

you said "IF at any time, the workers and the people in Iran DEMAND  from us and
the West that  petroleum sanction or any sort of sanction is needed to
help them bring down the regime (and that is their choice not ours),
then and only then we act to support those demands."

how are they suppose to make that demand? Millions gather in street and shout we want sanction? or worse, war? or send emails in millions? exactly at what point? how? and how many people are suppose to make a demand?not clear to me again....

The problem is, no  one can come up with any solutions: every one says war and sanction are not good, yet no one can provide a solid alternative as what to be done....

Mr. FB

Amen to that.

We are but here to follow their[young women and men in the streets of Iran] lead.

It is of certainty that any sanction or war will destroy the movement, which has already given 100's of martyrs, and 1000's in prisons, beaten, raped and disappeared.

Anyone propagating the sanctions and war which can hurt people of Iran are not realizing that they will be helping the regime to consolidate their power. Sanction will give the perfect excuse to brutally and indiscriminately machine gun every single protester, in the guise of national security.

Let us not allow this to happen. Lets us not help this movement to die.

-YT 

MRX1 - Iranians demand, we obey!

It is not up to us to decide and put into action strategies in relation to the internal affairs in Iran.  We are not living there.  People in Iran, who are the direct recipients of the impacts of any sort of sanctions and the devastation of war, and the suppressions of this regime, are the only ones who can decide.  

DON'T MAKE A MISTAKE, the people in Iran did come out and they did protest and they continue to do so.  I assure you, even under the boot of the IRGC, they can communicate and plan and act and let us know how to support them.  

IF at any time, the workers and the people in Iran DEMANDED  from us and the West that  petroleum sanction or any sort of sanction is needed to help them bring down the regime (and that is their choice not ours), then and only then we act to support those demands.  

Anything else, is carrying out the orders of Israel and the US, who are using individuals on this site, like FRAUD to promote their agenda of sanctions and war.  

So this is what I am proposing:

- SANCTIONS HURT IRANIAN PEOPLE 

- TAKE THE LEAD FROM THE DEMANDS OF PEOPLE IN IRAN ONLY

so what are you proposing?

1) No one wants war becuase of death, destruction and potential disintegeration of the country.

2) Sanactions are bad cause it hurts average person's pocket and life style.

So what is the alternative?  how do you propose removing IRR's killing machine? how do you stop lunatic's over there from not obtaining nuclear bomb? 

Any attempt of strike by oil workers,  they will be crushed and replaced by foreign workers let there be no doubt on that , so you can forget about it.

I think silly snactions will not work.  you need three elements:

1) Total freeze of every bank accounts IRR goons established in other countries. No withdraw, no transfer, no access ,nothing

2) An order of immideate arrest and trial for crimes against humanity if these goons step out of Iran.

3) Complete stoppage of oil flow from Persian Gulf.  This is a task that only U.S navy can perform.

With no money and no petrol, IRR will collaps faster than you can blink.

Amir1973 - argue instead of name-calling, let us learn ...

Let's get back to the gist of 'the policies' you refer to, instead of labeling people who advocate them.  

What have you got to say about the arguments that have been raised in relation to sanctions on this blog?

Why do you think they are wrong?  

What do you think would happen if they are enforced, to the regime and TO THE PEOPLE?

You say in relation to oil money, "revenues that it uses to finance assassins, torturers, rapists, and executioners?".  Fine but this is also revenue for feeding and paying for the country.  Have you got family in Iran?  Unless they are very rich and cushioned, you would think twice about oil sanctions .. 

Let us have discussions instead of empty name-calling, okay? 

Moosirvapiaz

The only people who care about Iranians deeply and truly are those who advocate policies that secure the continued existence of the worst regime in Iran's history and oppose measures to choke off this regime. Oh, yeah.

People who advocate sanctions

...deep down do not care about Iranians. Let us not kid ourselves. For them further Iranians sufferings is a means to an end. you can sugar coat it all you want, sanctions hurt people. By advocating sanctions you are advocating the suffering of said people.

Stoping the flow of oil

Stopping the flow of oil would hurt the IRI for sure, but since oil is the major source of revenue from which hospital workers, teachers, pensioners, street sweepers, etc, that is, all government employees' salaries, as well as all services are paid for, such a boycott will devastate the Iranian population, FIRST AND FOREMOST.  Let us not forget that IRGC and other organs of state would have reserves to see their needs, at least in the short term, and under these circumstances innocent people who have been fighting bravely to defend the most basic rights of citizenship would be pauperized, would go hungry, would have no access to health and would suffer tremendously.  The second casualty would be any prospect of democratic struggle.  How do we expect a poor, starved, ill and emaciated population to stand up to oppression, internal or external ...???

Hamvatans, let us take our lead from the people in Iran and the oil workers there.  If they demand a boycott, we support it, just as they brought the country to a standstill to bring down the Shah.  Don't underestimate Iranian people's courage and intelligence, and let us trust them and stand by them on THEIR TERMS.

Let the bitter experience of sanctions on Iraq at least serve one purpose:  Not allow it to befall our people.  

MM: compeletely agree with your assessment.

Mehrdad

oli workers strike is where it is at

Strikes and work stoppages are some of the 198 tactics for non-violent civil disobedience described by Professor Sharp (English and Farsi PDF of the article are available from Albert Einstein Institute at Harvard University).  However, oil strikes are extremely important in Iran because that is the source of money that greases the wheels of IRI.

Though, at the end of the day, I have a feeling that the demonstrators need to get tougher with the IRIG and basijis to kick them out after their source of money dries up.

What would be wrong with stopping IRI's flow of oil money?

It's the oil money that greases the IRI's machinery of killing and repression. What would be wrong with depriving the IRI's coffers of the revenues that it obtains from selling oil to foreign countries--revenues that it uses to finance assassins, torturers, rapists, and executioners?

Ms. Hojjati

I don't think that I have failed in keeping on front line the atrocities committed by IR. I merely wanted this thread to have a specific focus.

The way I always look at this issue is, Iranian people have been suffering the brutality for 31 years, let us not put salt on their bleeding wounds by imposing sanctions or war them.

As to your last point, I do share the same view in respect to Mr. Obama, What I do have any faith in, along with IR , are the people who surround Mr. Obama and the people who have the politician of this country bought and sold many times over. As a matter of fact, those are the people beating the war drum about Iran as they did with Iraq. Namely AIPAC, and NeoCons.

Regards

-YT 

Here are foreign bank account numbers of IRI grand thieves

Iran-Proud web site in Farsi:
//forum.iranproud.com/afshay-hsab-hay-banky-sran-jmhory-aslamy-t320972.html

ireport in CNN in English:
//www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-375960

Captain put some effort in fighting repression by IRI too

Captain, don't forget all the atrocities committed by IRI.  I have in fact more faith in Obama than IRI leaders.

Mr. Mazloom

Akhunds have amassed huge fortunes  on the bloody backs of nation. Knowing how [moozy] and calculative they are, including the IRGC, the sanction that you talk about might very well work. 

Problem as I see, not being in that field of work, would be to find the trails of all the money they have hidden in various banks. Earlier past year, USA passed a law requiring the offshore banks, particularly in Sweden and Switzerland to divulge the name of big US account holders, then IRS went after them collecting huge sums of tax.

This might in fact work well by trying to find all the institutions akhunds and IRGChave hidden our national wealth.

-YT 

Mullahs Sanction

The most efficient sanctions would be those which target Mullahs interest around the world. There have been a shift in US foreign policy toward IRI which now advocates the abuse of human rights by IRI and targeted sanctions on Mullahs assets. 

Just look what happened after that shift, Mullahs and AN don't stop provoking the west and Israel (the exposure of their uranium in open air, AN's statements against the US in Syria and Afghanistan. etc.) Why? Because they prefer a war to targeted sanctions.

1- This regime has first not to be recognized.
2- Mullahs assets have then to be freezed.
3- People shall have the central role in this game because they will do, by their own, what is good for the nation.

Petro Sanction

According to the most conservative estimates, Iran imports 25% to 35% of refined her diesel and gasoline fuel.

Sanction on that will only hurt the most vulnerable layer of society, Taxi Drivers, truck driver, ordinary people who moonlight after their regular work as passenger vehicle to subsidize their meager life.

This is layer who will be hurt. If we think that the IR goons and supporters will not be able to get fuel ration at the expense of the people I mentioned above we are really mistaking. IR has no compassion for ordinary drivers, even farmers who depend on subsidized fuel to harvest their crops.

-YT 

Fouzul Bashi jaan:

I agree with you and this call is just to expose the hypocrisy of the West.

We all well know that they would not under any circumstance do such boycott as their livelihood depends on it and they will never do any thing to endanger their own comfort and livelihood.

Having said that, I suppose it would be to their own choosing and rights if they decided to as it should be my choosing to boycott Israel. Although as a US citizen it is illegal to call for boycotting Israel. This goes to show the extend of the Zionist control of the US law and law makers.

Mehrdad

mehrdad jan

Boycotting Iranian oil is the most dangerous sanction!!  If there is going to be any boycott to bring down the IRI, it MUST come from Iranian workers if they decided to go on strike, not something that is directed and imposed by Western governments and encouraged by the Iranians in diaspora.  

Secondly, regardless of the crimes of the IR, the issue of sanctions have NO LEGAL justification in international law.  Iran's file was sent to the Security Council in the absence of ANY evidence (and to this day) that Iran has broken its NPT obligations.  These are propaganda that is promoted by the likes of Fraud and we must be very clear and object to them.  The issue of IRI is very different from our NATIONAL rights and the fact that Iran has not deviated from what it has been entitled to as a member of NPT. 

Gentlemen

I sincerely appreciate your support of our people and understanding.

As my dear refigh, Shazdeh Asdollah always says.............

EVERY ACTION COUNT............ EVERY VOICE COUNTS

-YT