Bush, Middle East, now! Why ?

Faramarz_Fateh
by Faramarz_Fateh
16-Jan-2008
 

Why did Bush take a trip to the mid east (including Israel) now? Also, the number of stops in Arab countries was unprecidented for a U.S. president in one trip. Why now? At this stage of his presidency?

Many say he is laying foundation for work to be done by the next Prez....sorta leading the horse to the pasture. To help out in the peace process between the Jews and Arabs and foster democracy in the region. I beg to differ.

Bush took this trip in preparation of the U.S./Israel attack on Iran. Bush is the type of cowboy who'll have to finish what he set out to do; finish Iran by destablizing it.

U.S. is arm twisting the Arabs to increase oil production when Iran's production is halted some time in the 2nd quater of this year. April, May June time frame.

U.S. and Israel WILL bombard strategic sites "surgically" to delay whatever nuclear activity is pursued by Iran; peaceful or otherwise. These attacks will happen after the presidential elections in Russia in March.

I am pretty certain that paid IRI web monitoring agents who keep posting and defending IRI on this site and other web sites will brand me as someone who is wishing for an attack. On the contrary, I hope that I am dead wrong. But the overwhelming evidence suggests otherwise.

What do you think?

 

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Food for Thought

Dear Friend (anon3)

by Food for Thought on

I appreciate your reply. I must have confused you. Let me try to explain...

Things aren't black and white as George Bush would have you believe with shallow soundbites such as, 'you're either with us or against us'.

My comments about cultural hegemony is for those who want to look beyond the superficiality of what the public are shown. It may not be for you! People can only accept so much unless they are prepared to look beyond their egos and their social conditioning. I add links for people who want to explore such thoughts to a deeper level but people must be prepared to question things rather than simply vent their anger / prejudice on pages like these. It shows a lack of intellectual consideration. Passion needs to be controlled.

I was not complaining about the lack of power of the islamists in the world, I was simply stating that the West doesn't like alternative power bases, and these are usually alternative models of thought which they cannot control. I'm not pro-Islam at all, merely pointing out some deeper levels of geo-political reality. China, India and Russia also have powerful cultures which cannot be fully controlled by military might. The Western elite meet annually at Biderberger meetings in secret to discuss how to proritise thier global plans. Geo-politics is about domination that's why other cultures resist, in any way they can. National politics is controlled by a non-democratic elite who think they know what is best for the world. Research it for yourselves.

Please note that culture cannot be equated with religion alone. Iranian culture is far older and deeper than the superficiality that Islam tries to control it with. Most Iranians are anti-Ahmadinejad and the anti-IRI. So you need to think at a more subtle level.

Actually, I am a great supporter of the US constitution, however, it seems not ot be treated with the respect that it deserves by those who are allowed to be elected. Democracy without freedom is not true democracy.

Don't get angry, get informed. All humanity is connected and war is not the answer.

F4T


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Amrika hich ghalati nemitavanad bekonad

by Jamaleto (not verified) on

Goh khordeh kesi beh Iran beki zeki. Amrika Hich ghalati nemitavanad bekonad. And that's at you too Programmer Craig Bush lover terrorist. Nothing you could do, NOTHING. Watch your dollar go down like my shit in the toilet. What goes around comes around.Time to smell the coffee buddy. Bush is kissing your bosses, Israelis ass but nothing will come out of it. If Israel could do shit then Israel wouldn't be in the shit that it is, so US got nothing. Go fight Iran, haha, let's see what happens. Dollar going down, let's all have pop corn and watch the show...


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RE:Anonymous1111

by XerXes (not verified) on

How can I convince you that not only I am not part of the Islamic Republic, but I hate them to death. I am against religion, specially Islam, and hate Mullah even before the revolution. Yet I have an ideology that sometimes is in line with the IRI foreign policy and sometimes with the American Domestic policy! What can I say, I am an Iranian-American. Now, what I normally argue is not based on routing for IRI, but I feel like the people just want to label something and move on. You might think that IRI is bad, because it's a package. I don't see it that way. I see that there are engineers, Doctors, Programmers, Farmers who are either part of the regime or not, but working hard for Iran. Not all those guys are evil. And when they do something good, I like it. I talk about it with excitement, and people would think that I am an IRI supporter. Is that stupid? I think it is. Why are we so blind? If we don't admit the good that hard working Iranians have accomplished during hardship, how do you expect the next generation to have a drive to build the country. Hey let it be Shah or IRI but admire the positives. You still can work for freedom in Iran, but in the positive way. Revolution you want? fine, but not in the expense of another family's son, how about you or your son. Then we can be more honest. As far as this Programmer dude here, I think that arrogance should be noted and talked directly to, so they realize that they are not the shit that they think they are. Simple as that!!!
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The more you write, the more

by Anonymous1111 (not verified) on

The more you write, the more you will reveal your true agenda. Your attempts at coming off as an impartial commenter are futile. You're transparent my jihadist friend and you're not interested in any reasonable argument except propagandizing and self-serving, disjointed, and incoherent argumetns on behalf of your beloved IRI.
Your game is raise false hope and vulgarly distort realties in hopes of pacifying and lulling the democratic opposition into a false sense of "better-future awaits-you-if-you-only-work-with-regime". More than anything else, your deceitful and callous indifference to repression and oppression committed on a daily basis by the illegitimate regime speaks volume on your duplicitous stance.

I can accept that you are part of the Islamic Republic and that is where your loyalties lie but don't expect others to equate IRI with Iran and what's in her best interest. You also epitomize the true definition of a retard. You are oblivious as to how you come across as an arrogant hypocrital fanatic when all you do is to defend a morally degenerate and thieving regime who has caused irreparable damage to Iran and Iranian civilization.
Your defense of the IR is nothing short of contributing and serving the The ISLAMIC SAVAK, VEVAK in continuing to brutalize Iranians socially, economically and spiritually.

The problem is that your arguments are not in good faith. You already has a well-established point of view, and it's pretty much that of the mullah's regime. You are content with parroting official theocratic doctrine and indoctrination (read revisionary history and internalized Islamist/marxist propaganda you were taught by akhoonds). Reasoned argument (e.g. Programmer Craig's response to you) and evidence means nothing to you if it doesn't corroborate your self-serving and revisionary view of things. In other words, you embody the totalitarian nature of the regime.

If humanity can demonstrate for 5 seconds that it can exhibit the positive behavior that religion can inspire, without also exhibiting the savagery of fundamentalism and religious bigotry, great, have at it, you can believe what you want with my blessing.

It's just that humanity never HAS pulled that trick off successfully.


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Just to clarify

by XerXes (not verified) on

The last comment by XerXes was not by me. Poor Anonymous11111111 probably has his thumb is in mouth staring at a wall. Sorry didn't mean to add insult to injury.


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RE:Anonymous11111111

by XerXes (not verified) on

OK Anonymous11111111,
Watch out fo yo mama beeeyachhhh. You must be a terrorist Arab worshiping Jihadis that your mom got raped by American freedom fighters and now are mad and don't know how to express yourself. I just saw your fat biyach mama sucking a big white dick.

See how easy it is to talk stupid like you. Want more beeeyachhhh? Oh yeah take that to your grave sand nigga!!!lol stupid dumb ass, lol.


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To: Xerexes: When are you

by Anonymous11111111 (not verified) on

To: Xerexes: When are you going to blow yourself up? Are you ready for martyrdom, you filthy jihadist? As long as the jihadist are as misinformed and ignorant and hateful as you are, the war is inevitable...get ready arrogant pedophile worshipper to join your brothel with 72 virgins up in the sky...


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Prog Craig

by XerXes (not verified) on

The question and your answer in regard of being American explains somehow your political philosophy to me, otherwise it’s irrelevant. A political philosophy regardless of current events can be based on humane ideologies or position of power.
Back to your comment.
1-I never said what Arabs were going to do anything for Iran. The interest of every nationality is exclusive, yet I am more aware about the current western ideological shortcomings and the direction that the area seems to be heading. Arabs are more in line with the Iranian political path than US. Now that means nothing, then forget about it.
2-Yes, a kurd or any other ethnicity in Iran or elsewhere are fully aware about where they live and is not irrelevant. You may argue that some areas in Kurdistan that borders Iraq have close connection to the other side (Iraq). Yes, and that’s normal for the region, your point is?
I didn’t say “all it takes to have a "western" government is for the British to show up and install one?” but it certainly does help. Shah’s father Reza Shah the first was western and put in power by the Brits. So are you saying I am wrong here? again I don’t get your argument or point. It’s simple and clear.
3-And you go on to disagree with yourself in the next line: “Look at how many Arabs miss Saddam Hussein and his British-installed Western government, for instance?”, unless you are being sarcastic, which doesn’t make sense to be sarcastic about some simple facts. They are some Iraqis that miss Saddam Hussein, thanks to America. Our neighbor once said:”we had such a nice thief, he only stole our VCR and TV set, while in our brother’s house, everything was gone”. It’s a lesser evil, but neither is good. Makes sense?
4-If you have no idea about how the United States in the recent history, has killed any possible democratic movements or establishments in the region and around the world then let’s just leave this line blank! Comes back to the idea of humane or position of power. You decide. Pity, a free country that her citizens have the opportunity to read all the books ever written and still spit Fox news! I am leaving that for you to ponder.
5-You say that the “Northern Europeans” not being under any foreign powers? Not only your facts are wrong but also very naïve. I just answer to you what you like to hear then. They are superior and better human. Is that what you like to hear? Here I said it. I think it would be even a longer comment if I HAVE to get to that in full detail, and I really don’t feel like typing much more. Read starting from the industrial revolution to the current time to get your answer. It’s there and it’s different than your logic. I bet my life that once you read it well then you’ll understand. Sorry that I just don’t feel like explaining it in short to you.
The next part of your comments is valid if I agree with your base, which I don’t. If you perceive America right no matter what, then you must admit there is no reason to discuss these issues. So I am under the assumption that you do want to look at the situation with an open mind. So let’s say that you are an American and not Israeli, but you support Israel. Your government arms Israel. I am not going to discuss the philosophical problem originally when Israel was created. Just political. Israel is an ally of the United States. Translation: Israel is there for the benefit of US. That’s a card that US holds in the Middle East. Are you with me? Continue, now Hezbollah is a card that Iran holds. What’s wrong with the picture? Nothing. Stop nagging about it. You claim that Hezbollah killed American soldiers; I mentioned all the American wars to prove the point that America is a country of War, not Iran or any other Middle Eastern countries. Since Hezbollah is a tool used by Iran, Iran has nothing to do with the American casualties. Just like US has nothing to do with Iranian casualty when she armed and supported Iraq to attack Iran. Also 1,000,000 innocent people have been killed by the United States (Google it) since 9/11. Your fallacy in the argument is that you only want the position of the power to have the right to kill. And I can’t accept that. So who took northern Lebanon? What you call “Terrorist” is actually a reactionary movement. If they don’t do anything then you would come here and argue that look, Europeans would have fought and freed themselves, just like the Polish Partisans against the Hitler in WWII !!!
If Iran can benefit from supporting Syria, Lebanon, Hezbollah, why shouldn’t she? US would, they tried. So, tit for tat. Nothing personal, just politics. I don’t agree with it, but that’s the way it is. You pride your avatar with American AAV7, and you want to say that Iran should sit quietly and let a country thousands of miles from her border to come and do whatever she want? Those days are long gone, you may dream though. Vote for Giuliani, he is a warmonger and you would enjoy many more bloodshed that keeps your European superiority in check.


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To: foodforthought "The

by Anonymous3 (not verified) on

To: foodforthought
"The world is not about individual countries anymore, it's about which culture can become most powerful and thereby eventually rule the globe."

So your complaint is that the Islamic Republic (Islamic world) is not as powerful as the US and wants to be like the US and rule the globe????

And please define and describe "the culture" that is going to win out in this "power struggle" to rule the globe?

BTW, you sound a lot like Ahmadinejad. Glad you have your cheat sheet with you. Thank for revealing the real intention of the Islamic Republic (Islamic World)...you're so deluded my friend by your islamic indoctrination. When are you going to blow yourself up to join your 72 virgins?


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Programmer Craig: Brilliant

by Anonymous3 (not verified) on

Programmer Craig: Brilliant and thank you.

To all Islamists: Read every word Craig has written and try to comprehend it from his perspective if you don't want war. Pc's comment is loaded with valuable information on American foreign policy, which has rarely changed within the past 50 years. Iran declared war on the US in 1979 and has not paid for it yet. You people think that only Iranians are entitiled to seek justice or want vengeance? Do you think the families of those 240+ marines who were killed by Hizballah are every going to stop wanting some kind of Justice? Do you think only Iranians are entitled to love their nation????


Food for Thought

p. craig: Containment of Iran

by Food for Thought on

I respect your opinions. You obviously have much to say and you make your points clearly. I just want to exchange my views, not to argue with anyone. Here are my views:

George Bush is a puppet, of the elite who run the world, placed in the Oval Office to do what he is told. 'They' see 'democracy' as their tool, a system they have usurped and manipulated for decades. They know how to control the masses through their media in this so-called democracy. From that point of view, I agree, 'Bush' wanted to export 'democracy'. One which they would control as they do the US one. The world is not about individual countries anymore, it's about which culture can become most powerful and thereby eventually rule the globe.

The West (anglo saxon culture mainly) don't want any other cultures to threaten their hegemony. Wars are one of their most commonly used tools for social-geopolitical manipulation but, unfortunately for them, the US (their military arm) has limited resources (tax payers' money/deficit funds their global ambitions) and right now, I doubt that, even they could 'sell' another war to their largely brainwashed 'electorate'.

Would US citizens put up with more lies? After all, the danger would be that a critical mass of their 'sheeple' would wake up and become thinking people. The elite wouldn't want that! They like 'group-think' to be maintained. They want everyone to continue to be drugged on Fox New not let people really analyse what's going on. They hate that aspect of the internet...

So that's why I believe that they have to bide their time for now but I might be wrong because they have proven to be quite evil and arrogant before but I really feel that even they cannot be that stupid - well not yet anyway.

As long as Iran is threatened and kept from getting too powerful they will be happy for now! Russia and China will also oppose any more interference in the region...

You can read more on the site below. It has many illuminating articles with viewpoints which are kept from the 'group think' media establishment.

//www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7834

here's an extract: (01-15) 04:00 PST Riyadh, Saudi Arabia -- President Bush delivered a sophisticated weapons sale for Saudi Arabia on Monday, trying to bolster defenses against threats from U.S. adversary Iran and muster support in this oil-rich kingdom for a long-stalled Mideast peace agreement.

Hope I made you think? Enjoy the website.

F4T 

 


programmer craig

XerXes, continued

by programmer craig on

4-invasion of Iraq had the wrongful intelligence provided by double
agents such as Chalabi, who US had plan to make the future president.
It doesn’t count because it was somehow an Iranian planning/interest.
Chalabi’s connection to IRI was found then embarrassed Bush kept total
silence and he has disappeared.

True. And yet, the invasion was a stunning success anyway. And I'm not sure how much help Bremer needed to mess up the occupation. But Chalabi certainly was an embarrassment. What's your point? That it could happen again in the case of Iran? Sure, it could.

5-If you think that today US or Iran are similar to the 50’s, check
your facts. Heck Americans during the 60’s were advance society and
culture, today they are debating whether there is evolution.

I think you have a lot of misconceptions about America. The 1960s were not a good decade for us. We had the Vietnam War, hippies, rampant drug abuse, sky rocketing divorce rates, unprecedented numbers of college drop-outs. And, the "debate" over evolution is largely a fabrication of the sensationalist media. I'm over 40 years old, and I've never met anyone who doens't believe in evolution. This merits another *shrug* in response. Don't believe everything you read :)

Since the
Iraqi attack also, the position of the US in the world scene has
changed, not positively.

It has changed, yes. Whether positively or negatively, is a matter of perspective. For instance: people used to speculate whether the US military was really as powerful as it seemed. Now, they know.

6-People in the middle east have changed also. The majority need
(maybe) one more excuse to be a revolutionary or a terrorist
sympathizer. You may push their buttons to that point, well then don’t
complain about them existing or endangering American lives.

I don't believe that for a second. I think that's just hurt pride, and anger, when people say things like that.

7-Iran supports Hezbullah and Hemas. They are threat to Israel as
Israel is threat to Palestine! I am not arguing who is right, but the
middle easterners, evern Turks don’t see these organizations as
terrorists. Al quida is on the other hand. So Iran arguably does not
support any terrorist organizations. They do if you agree that the US
does also! Just being fair.

I don't care what the Turks or middle-easterners think, and you shouldn't either. Turks and middle-easterners are not going to be attacking your country over it's terrorsit activities, are they? You should care what Americans think, and Americans think that Hezbollah is a terrorist group. Hezbollah murdered more Americans than every other terrorist group combined, prior to 9/11. You'll never convince Americans they have clean hands. Why don't you try being fair yourself?

8-I do think based on the environment that Iran has a better chance to succeed in the long run if there is a war.

OK. It sounds liek a "Mother of all battles" statement to my ears, but you are free to your opinions. I'm not going to argue with you about it :)

9-That worried me because I don’t care who wins, war is wrong and
people have precious lives. Do you understand that or is it a
Foreigners’ philosophy!!

I do believe that. The question is, do you? You just said you support Hezbollah. You just said people have "precious lives" and that war is wrong. Hezbollah has been waging war on Israel and the United States (both) in Iran's name since 1982. At what point are other people justified in defending themselves from Iran's proxy wars?

It seems to me from soem of your contradictory comments, that you only oppose war when it's about to end up on your doorstep, instead of on somebody else's. Can you understand how I would get that impression from your comments?


10-I don’t care for Iranian system does not give the automatic Rights
to US to be on the right side. That is foolish, so I would say not only
Iran but US has to become more democratic. Maybe after Bush. Now don’t
be arrogant and just want one side to do what you like!

The problems between Iran and the US go back to 1979, and will not be so easy to solve. I personally don't think it's possible to solve them, diplomatically, because the Islamic Republic will never even admit any guilt, since admitting guilt would result in their own downfall. If the IRI won't ever admit it's done anything wrong, how can it ever make amends for what it has done? Before you try to turn this around on me and claim it is the US that owes Iran amends, I will say that matters as grave as what lie between Iran and the US normally result in war. It's an anomaly that they haven't, this time. If you truly wish to avert a war, you better hope that the mullahs decide to try to make things up to the people they've harmed.


programmer craig

best for last (XerXes)

by programmer craig on

Are you an American? Seems like it because of your logic.

Yes. I thought the avatar I chose made it obvious, if not my commentary. That's an American AAV7:

//www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/AMTRA...

I took that picture from the back of an Amphibious Assault Ship in 1984. I guess I'll have to come up with something more clearly "American" if I continue to post comments here. This isn't thr first time I've been asked.

1-You compared Iran with Iraq, even Bush (can you imagine that) has
agreed that Iran is not Iraq (since he finally noticed the "N" at the
end)

I don't think so. It seems to me that you were the one who couldn't tell the difference between Iranians and Arabs, since you kept talking about what the Arabs were going to do for you. You bring up an interesting point, though. Do you think the Kurds know the difference between Iraq and Iran?

2- The People in the Middle East have a western government, mostly
designed by the Brits.

You think all it takes to have a "western" government, is for the British to show up and install one? I don't even know what to say to that.

People in the Middle East want as much a puppet
government as the Americans want powerful China! It’s just common
sense!!

People don't always wnat what they say they want. Maybe you've noticed that? Look at how many Arabs miss Saddam Hussein and his British-installed Western government, for instance? Or you can look at how people who've been saying they wanted democracy for decades, decided that they actually wanted some religious dictators when they got a chance to vote. *shrug*

People generally end up with the kind of government they want, over time. The middle-east has been operating under the same system, more or less, of vassalage to a great power for over 2000 years. Persia was briefly one of those great powers, so you should know about that. For the rest of those 2000 years, Persia was a vassal kingdom itself. We can argue about what middle-easterners WANTED until we're blue in the face, but they had 2000 years to get what tehy REALLY wanted, and stuck with what they had instead. So one would assume that's what they wanted all along, right? Or are we going to claim that in 2000 years people in the middle-east never once found an opportunity to effect change?

Do you know that the Northern Europeans have never been under the rule of a foreign power? Not once in the entirety of recorded history. Do you think they are superior human beings? Or is there some cultural factor in play? Maybe they are just lucky? Well, whatever the cause, Northern Europeans don't get to blame anyone but themselevesfor their own problems, of which they've had many over the centures. WOuldn't it be nice for them, if they could blame Hitler on the Chinese or something? Instead they ahve to look at themselves, and wonder what the hell is wrong with them, that they allowed such a beast to rise to power in their midst.


3-Please pick and choose from the list below which American war would you like to speak about in detail or historically:

For what purpose? OK, I'll pick the Barbary Wars, because I'm a former Marine and I can't resist the whole "From the halls of Montezuma To the shores of Tripoli" thing.

This is getting long. I'll continue in another comment :P

 


programmer craig

F4T again (sorry)

by programmer craig on

They simply want to keep Iran isolated and contained for the time being.

Why would they (we) want that? That's the old policy, from the Cold War, when the US was too busy with teh Soviet Union to come up with anything better. Not only is the Cold War now over, and we are engaged in the WoT (which directly involves Iran, if you didn't notice) but 20 years of containment policy failed to produce the desired result. How many more years would you predict would be required, for containment to actually produce a regime change? And do you think that the US would wait that long, assuming your assessment was in line with theirs (ours)?

 


programmer craig

F4T

by programmer craig on

They don't care about the export of democracy to the Middle East.

Bush did. But it doesn't matter now, because nobody took him seriously, and the next Administration will no doubt relegate his "democracy" policy to the ash heap.


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RE: programmer craig

by XerXes (not verified) on

Are you an American? Seems like it because of your logic. Anyways here is some notes for you:
1-You compared Iran with Iraq, even Bush (can you imagine that) has agreed that Iran is not Iraq (since he finally noticed the "N" at the end)
2- The People in the Middle East have a western government, mostly designed by the Brits. the ones that have been created for about seventy some years ago. People in the Middle East want as much a puppet government as the Americans want powerful China! It’s just common sense!!
3-Please pick and choose from the list below which American war would you like to speak about in detail or historically:
18th Century

* American Revolutionary War, 1775 – 1783
o Boston campaign, 1775 - 1776
o Canadian Theatre, 1775 - 1776
o New York and New Jersey campaign, 1776 - 1777
o Saratoga Campaign, 1777
o Philadelphia Campaign, 1777 - 1778
o Western Theatre, 1775 - 1782
o Northern Theater, 1778 - 1781
o Southern Theatre, 1775 - 1782
* Northwest Indian War, 1785 - 1795
* Quasi-War, France, 1798 – 1800

[edit] 19th Century

* First Barbary War, 1801 – 1805
* Sabine Expedition, 1806
* War of 1812, 1812 – 1815
o Tecumseh's Rebellion, 1811 - 1813
o Lake Champlain Campaign, 1812 - 1814
o Niagara Campaign, 1812 - 1814
o Detroit Campaign, 1812 - 1814
o Chesapeake Campaign, 1813 - 1814
o Creek War, 1813 - 1814
o Peoria War, 1813
o Southern Campaign,
* Second Barbary War, 1815
* First Seminole War, 1817 - 1818
* Winnebago War, 1827
* Black Hawk War, 1832
* Second Seminole War, 1835 - 1842
* Mexican-American War, 1846 – 1848
* Cayuse War, 1847 - 1855
* Third Seminole War, 1855 - 1858
* American Civil War, 1861 – 1865
o Union blockade, 1861 - 1865
o Eastern Theater, 1861 - 1865
o Western Theater, 1861 - 1865
o Lower Seaboard Theater, 1861 - 1865
o Trans-Mississippi Theater, 1861 - 1865
o Dakota Conflict, 1862
o Pacific Coast Theater, 1863
o Colorado War, 1863 - 1865
* Red Cloud's War, 1866 - 1868
* Korean Expedition, 1871
* Modoc War, 1872 - 1873
* Red River War, 1874 - 1875
* Black Hills War, 1876 - 1877
* Nez Perce War, 1877
* Bannock War, 1878
* Cheyenne War, 1878 - 1879
* Sheepeater Indian War, 1879
* Spanish-American War, 1898
* Philippine Insurrection, 1899 - 1902

[edit] 20th Century

* Boxer Rebellion, 1900 - 1902
* Mexican Expedition, 1916 - 1917
* World War I, 1917 – 1918
o European Theatre, 1917 - 1918
o First Battle of the Atlantic, 1917 - 1918
o Polar Bear Expedition, 1918 - 1919
o American Expeditionary Force Siberia, Soviet Union, 1918 - 1920
* World War II, 1941 – 1945
o Second Battle of the Atlantic, 1941 - 1945
o Pacific War, 1941 - 1945
o African Theatre, 1942 - 1943
o European Theatre, 1944 - 1945
* Cold War, 1947 - 1990 with the following hot wars and campaigns:
o Korean Conflict, 1950 - 1953
o Operation PBFORTUNE, Guatemala, 1952
o Operation Ajax, 1953
o Operation PBSUCCESS, Guatemala, 1954
o Bay of Pigs Invasion, Cuba, 1961
o Vietnam War, 1962 - 1973
+ Laotian Civil War, 1962 - 1973
+ Cambodian Civil War, 1969 - 1970
o Operation Powerpack, Dominican Republic, 1965 - 1966
o Operation Urgent Fury, Invasion of Grenada, 1983
* Operation Blue Bat, Lebanon, 1958
* Operation Eagle Claw, Iran hostage crisis, 1980
* First Gulf of Sidra Incident, Libya, 1981
* Operation El Dorado Canyon, Libya, 1986
* Iran-Iraq War, 1987 - 1989
* Operation Just Cause, Panama 1989 - 1990
* Second Gulf of Sidra Incident, Libya, 1989
* Persian Gulf War, Iraq, 1991
o Operation Desert Storm, 1991
o Operation Desert Shield, 1991
* Somali Civil War, 1992 - 1994
o Operation Provide Relief, 1992
o Operation Restore Hope, 1992 - 1994
* Yugoslav wars, 1994 - 1999
o Bosnian Conflict, 1994 - 1995
o Kosovo Conflict, 1997 - 1999

[edit] 21st Century

* War on Terrorism, 2001 - present
o Operation Enduring Freedom - Afghanistan 2001 - present
o Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines 2002 - present
o Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa 2002 - present
o Operation Iraqi Freedom, 2003 - present
o Waziristan War, 2004 - present
o War in Somalia, 2006 - present
o Operation Enduring Freedom - Trans Sahara 2007 – present

4-invasion of Iraq had the wrongful intelligence provided by double agents such as Chalabi, who US had plan to make the future president. It doesn’t count because it was somehow an Iranian planning/interest. Chalabi’s connection to IRI was found then embarrassed Bush kept total silence and he has disappeared.
5-If you think that today US or Iran are similar to the 50’s, check your facts. Heck Americans during the 60’s were advance society and culture, today they are debating whether there is evolution. Since the Iraqi attack also, the position of the US in the world scene has changed, not positively.
6-People in the middle east have changed also. The majority need (maybe) one more excuse to be a revolutionary or a terrorist sympathizer. You may push their buttons to that point, well then don’t complain about them existing or endangering American lives.
7-Iran supports Hezbullah and Hemas. They are threat to Israel as Israel is threat to Palestine! I am not arguing who is right, but the middle easterners, evern Turks don’t see these organizations as terrorists. Al quida is on the other hand. So Iran arguably does not support any terrorist organizations. They do if you agree that the US does also! Just being fair.
8-I do think based on the environment that Iran has a better chance to succeed in the long run if there is a war.
9-That worried me because I don’t care who wins, war is wrong and people have precious lives. Do you understand that or is it a Foreigners’ philosophy!!
10-I don’t care for Iranian system does not give the automatic Rights to US to be on the right side. That is foolish, so I would say not only Iran but US has to become more democratic. Maybe after Bush. Now don’t be arrogant and just want one side to do what you like!


Food for Thought

China & Russia will stand against an attack

by Food for Thought on

prog. craig... I don't believe there will be a war... They simply want to keep Iran isolated and contained for the time being.

Bush or the next Clinton - makes little difference on foreign policy. They both sing from the same hymn sheet. They are controlled by the same group.

Look up: //www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7048

F4T


Food for Thought

Dear Mahmoud, I think you are ill-informed

by Food for Thought on

The US has no interest in helping Iran or Iraq. They just want to keep both countries from being independent and strong. They don't care about the export of democracy to the Middle East. It's all a facade to hide behind. They want to create chaos, to allow them to have a reason to keep interfering in the region, while 'appearing' to have an altruistic agenda while their corporations profit from the wars and the redevelopment of their new 'allies'.

For example, all Iraqi banks have been taken over by multinational companies. Controlloing the money supply of a nation means you control the country. It's actually the same way the elite took control of America itself. Nations, including the US, are simply the tools of the elite that run the world from behind the scenes.

You can learn more about how it all works here:

//www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=newsHighlights&newsId=18

Enjoy

F4T


programmer craig

XerXes

by programmer craig on

You should’ve learned something about Iraq and many other wars that the
United States has gotten herself into. In the Middle East, the
governments are puppets, and that has become a bothersome thought to
many citizens.

But not bothersome enough that they actually do something about it, apparrently. Perhaps you should have learned from the history books that people in the middle east seem to have a preference for "puppet" governments. First it was the Romans, then the Byzantines, then the Arabs, then Ottomans, then a combination of the Mamluks, Ottomans and Europeans, then just the Europeans. Now, I suppose, you think the Americans are filling that roll? I'd dispute that with you. I think there is such chaos in the middle-east because they don't have a puppet master right now, and they are feeling the lack.

I don’t care to describe whether that is good or bad,
but to make the long story short, if there is a war, in the short run
the US and her “allies” (as you might think they are, but US is as
lonely in the world as Iran) might win.

It's been a long time since the US fought a major war without allies, though. You'd have to go back to the 19th century to find an example. It doens't matter what you or I "think", the history speaks for itself.

But the war is going to be a
long one, and during this time, majority of the Middle Easterners, who
are sick and tired of the US “aggression” (their word not mine) would
target US interests. They would love to have the opportunity to express
their hate to the American and “Their own” regime, which they perceive
to be the same.

Are you claiming the invasion of Iraq did not give them this opportunity? What arrogance is that, to think that Iranians are more important to Arabs than Iraqi Arabs are?

A look at a poll in the Middle East would show how they
think, when their number one admired person was “Ahmadinejad”, ranging
from Pakistan all the way to Egypt. Go and fix that, right?

There's nothing to fix. Saddam was a hero to Arabs throughout the 1980s and well into the 1990s, first for warring with Iran and then for defying the United States. Qaddafi is another guy who used to be a hero to Arabs, until he discontinued his support for terrorism and his hostile posture towards the west. Hell, during World War II the Arabs and the Iranians boith absolutely adored ADOLF HITLER.

Only Muslims can fix this penchant they have for idolizing monsters. But first they'd have to come to an awareness that the people they've been glorifying are, in fact, monsters. Right?

Well,
that’s the reality. You are not considering the people factor, and that
might come to bite the US forces in the behind. I am not even including
the “terrorist” organizations that would hugely benefit from all this.

Terrorist organizations have historically "hugely benefitted" from intimidating nations into doing nothing about their attacks. They've "hugely sufferred" when people have held their supporters responsible fopr what has been done. The only "people factor" I would consider, is those Iranians who don't support terrorism, and who don't support their terrorist government. To hell with the rest. Supporters of terrorism deserve whatever pain and suffering their terrorism brings upon them. That's karmic justice, in my opinion.

In the long run, the Iranians having a different reason to fight
nationalism along with Ideology(that you should know is circled around
selflessness, that death becomes an honor, refer to Iran and Iraq war)
and that would show psychological strength comparing to those US
soldiers who many would not full heartedly know why they are fighting.

So you are claiming Iran will win? We'll see.

Technology will stop working at some short point during the long war. I
tell why US would lose, because Iranians are used to low expectations.
They are easily adjusted to a life that minimum necessities become
enough to prove that they are right. IRI would gain such strength (as
it already have in the region, since the middle easterners look to them
as the one that stands in front of the bullies) that US PR would fail
to convince them otherwise.

Then what are you worried about? :)

Who would you trust then? Saudi King?
Kuwaiti Amir? UAE’s Sheikhs? Who? And finally, how long do you think
the US will be able to afford the war? Don’t look at the countries
telling US they are with us, they just want to rip US and get cash for
their own economy, US is very very lonely! Iran actually might be the
best friend that US has, since they both want the exact same thing in
the region!! Think about it.

I think what the US wants in the region more than anything else right now, is the end of the Islamic Republic. Iran and America could be great friends, if that happens. Get rid of the mullahs, and we can talk, eh? :)

 


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RE: programmer craig

by XerXes (not verified) on

You should’ve learned something about Iraq and many other wars that the United States has gotten herself into. In the Middle East, the governments are puppets, and that has become a bothersome thought to many citizens. I don’t care to describe whether that is good or bad, but to make the long story short, if there is a war, in the short run the US and her “allies” (as you might think they are, but US is as lonely in the world as Iran) might win. But the war is going to be a long one, and during this time, majority of the Middle Easterners, who are sick and tired of the US “aggression” (their word not mine) would target US interests. They would love to have the opportunity to express their hate to the American and “Their own” regime, which they perceive to be the same. A look at a poll in the Middle East would show how they think, when their number one admired person was “Ahmadinejad”, ranging from Pakistan all the way to Egypt. Go and fix that, right? Well, that’s the reality. You are not considering the people factor, and that might come to bite the US forces in the behind. I am not even including the “terrorist” organizations that would hugely benefit from all this. In the long run, the Iranians having a different reason to fight nationalism along with Ideology(that you should know is circled around selflessness, that death becomes an honor, refer to Iran and Iraq war) and that would show psychological strength comparing to those US soldiers who many would not full heartedly know why they are fighting. Technology will stop working at some short point during the long war. I tell why US would lose, because Iranians are used to low expectations. They are easily adjusted to a life that minimum necessities become enough to prove that they are right. IRI would gain such strength (as it already have in the region, since the middle easterners look to them as the one that stands in front of the bullies) that US PR would fail to convince them otherwise. Who would you trust then? Saudi King? Kuwaiti Amir? UAE’s Sheikhs? Who? And finally, how long do you think the US will be able to afford the war? Don’t look at the countries telling US they are with us, they just want to rip US and get cash for their own economy, US is very very lonely! Iran actually might be the best friend that US has, since they both want the exact same thing in the region!! Think about it.


programmer craig

Subhumans

by programmer craig on

<i>Any individual who thinks like you should be taken to a mental asylum
and kept away from human beings. You are a danger to any society.</i>

Yeah, Evin prison is where sub-humans who think wrong thoughts belong, isn't it? Iran is much more humane than Nazi Germany was, I don't know why peoplekeep comparing the two. The Nazis used to send subhumans to teh gas chamber.

Have you seen this video yet?

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=368c4uvcGns

More subhuman filth, apparrently.

PS-It's nice to see Iranians accusing people they don't like of not being human beings. That's a pre-requisite for joining the "genocidal monster" club. Dhumanization of the enemy is the first step. There aren't many more.

 

 

 

 


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To: Mahmmoud - You are sick!

by Arezu (not verified) on

Any individual who thinks like you should be taken to a mental asylum and kept away from human beings. You are a danger to any society.

What I would suggest since you seem to love death and destruction is to volunteer for the front line of the war in Iraq. The U.S. is in dyer need of soldiers, and you are an excellent candidate.

Shames on you, there are American soldiers in Iraq who don’t like to kill, murder and destroy another country; while you are praising such an attack on Iran!!

You are not an Iranian, you are not an American; as Sa’adi said: “Human being is no name for thee”...


programmer craig

To the author: Your theory

by programmer craig on

To the author: Your theory is plausible. I personally hope that any attack on Iran (if it happens) happens during the next Administration. I don't trust teh Bush Administration much, any more. But it wouldn't surprise me if an attack happened at the end of Bush's Presidency, as he has nothing to lose at that point. That would be after the November US elections. That would leave the next Administration "blameless" for whatever happens.

farokh2000: Anything is possible but if they are dumb enough to do this, they WILL
be asking for an all out Nuclear War and all the big boys will play.

None of the "big boys" is going to get themselves annihilated in a nuclear holocasut, to help Iran. If you think that's going to happen, you're deluding yourself. I doubt anbyone will step up to help Iran, at all. Who do you envision doing that? What ally does Irtan have that will be willing to go to war with the US? Iran had no allies against Iraq, as I recall. Am I missing something? What makes you think Iran will have allies against a far more formidable opponent?

 


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RE:mahmoud ghaffari

by XerXes (not verified) on

I hope that you understand persian

tow keh az mehnat e deegaraan bee ghami
na shaayad keh naamat nahand aadami

?That's a reference to you, aren't you ashamed
تو كه از محنت ديگران بی غمی
نه شايد كه نامد نهند آدمی


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Mahmoud! Do you call yourself a human?!

by AAABBBCCC (not verified) on

So for national interest of the U.S. , its OK to kill thousands of innocent Iranians?

You are not "ensan". God only knows what kind of creature you are.


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I am all for it

by mahmoud ghaffari (not verified) on

As I have said many times, the US should and will convene a surgical attack on Iran. We as Iranians/Persian and in most cases hyphenated Americans should support the US. If the current administration has decided to attack Iran, which I think it has, then it behoves us to rationally support it and ensure that America does not make the same mistake it made in Iraq. We do not want a fragmented Iran, but one that stays intact while the attacks themselves would run the Mullahs off. This is accomplished by surgically concentrating on the military targets and the assets of the regime's elite. when the regime finds out that the IRGC (Pasdaran) and Basij are incapcacitated, then they have no alternative but to flee. The People of Iran will do the rest. We must in any capacity we can support any US administration that attempts this strategy, through direct dialogue, through our congressional representatives, or through the media. We should let them know we support them so long as the military action(s) is/are for regime change.
America will and should defend its National Interests, we should help it while ensuring the integrity and rights of Persians and NOT the IRI is ensured.


farokh2000

Possible?

by farokh2000 on

Anything is possible but if they are dumb enough to do this, they WILL be asking for an all out Nuclear War and all the big boys will play.

Can they risk that? That is what they are weighing to see, at what cost.

This is a Capitalist Country, everything has it's price.

The decision will have to be made not by Bush people but his Masters and I hope they are smarter than to risk all the marbels.


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Possible

by XerXes (not verified) on

Never say never. I hope that you are wrong because that would be a long long war...Here is what I think:
At first Iranian regime will be quiet and tries to weigh its options. Some part of the regime will enjoy the attack and begins to become even less responsive to demands for democracy or tolerance. The Passdaaran will secure their key positions and militrize the system to the point that armed forces will be all over the major cities. They move some of the Bassiji groups to the troubled areas and start a serious anti Israeli campaign, mostly militaristic. The regime will halt their membership in NPT and aggressively begin to work on the BOMB. In the mean time, they will answer the economical difficulty by replacing the "religious" ideology with Nationalism and advance their military membership to their ground forces. If the US military is in Iraq, within a few months they would begin their attack campaign against them. While the US will respond using their navy, Iran will throw missiles to key areas including Israel. If Iran could sink one or two US navy ships, that would be called "victory" for Iranian regime. Their only option to demolish Iranian forces would be then, nuke. Unlike Japan, this will not sit well with the Iranians or the neighboring countries and the WAR just has begun. The terrorist groups will not sit quietly during this conflict and most probably gain power and momentum. They will find their ways into Iran and pass Iran all the way to Egypt. The regional regimes will not be able to survive the Islamic uprising all over the middle east, which will not be good for Israel. The outcome is frightening and can go any unimaginable direction, and let's just hope that Bush is not that evil...The only group that might benefit from all this would be the oil companies!