Faramarz's Latest Rambling

Sheila

Khomenei was a revolutionary leader. Many of your parents,relatives, friends, and yourselves believed in him at some point. So let's cut the hypocrisy and keep his memorial. He just won't be worshiped.

I don't agree. Khomeini was a lying sack of ****. As  gitdoun ver.2.0 said he lied to get to power. He was going to give people free this and that. No hijab requirement. He was then going to go to Ghom and teach. Not one of these were honest. Those who supported him are and should be ashamed. They should apologize to the rest like all the people who are being tortured right now.

Germany does not have a shrine to Hitler. The have memorials to Nazi victims so they won't forget. We should have no memorial to Khomeini. Instead we should have memorials to his victioms.

to Shela K: the Ayatollah Khomeini was THE ANTICHRIST!!!!!

what he did to Iran was abominable!!!!

his followers PERVERTED Islam TO THE VERY CORE and his interpretation of Islam is an abomination... END OF DISCUSSION!!!

the day these thugs leave Iran will be a major cause for ALL IRANIANS to celebrate!!!! 

Sheila K

If people believed in khomeini it was in the empty "campaign promises" he made from 1962-1979. And we saw how that went. second, khomeini declared himself wilayat faqhi that position by it's very nature commands worship. khomeini declared that office fulfills all functions of prophethood and imammat. "Amr al Zamman" "Imam" "hazrat" "Mawlana" "Sayedina" honorific titles reserved for anibiyaa/a'ouleeya were lauded on a ordinary cleric. i've seen iranians do tawasul to his grave as if he was ahlul-bayt!! people throw money on his grave hoping their zakat would be blessed. i can go on and on.  point is to keep the tomb and remove the shrine hoping people won't worship it is wishful thinking. this false messiah's grave must be destroyed. it must be removed so his cult followers will desist in their worship of him and also to prevent future rally cry for a clerical dictatorship.

keep the tomb remove the shrine

Khomenei was a revolutionary leader. Many of your parents,relatives, friends, and yourselves believed in him at some point. So let's cut the
hypocrisy and keep his memorial. He just won't be worshiped.

A more important questions is, "What should happen with Evin?"

warm up the bulldozer.....

after we bulldoze it down, we can covert it to a public toilet LOL

and we can recycle all the gold and redistribute it to all the poor people in southern tehran! 

No dog food, please!

We don't want our beloved dogs get rabies!

Some great ideas

I really like a few of the ideas shared here!  First and foremost is removal of his remains from the shrine.  We can take it one step further. How about transferring the bones etc to a grave at Beheshte Zahra, with the cheapest possible tomb stone.  People of Iran can decide on what should be inscribed on the tomb stone.

Also, the idea of constructing a wall with names of people this guys murdered is fantastic.  sort of like the Vietnam memorial in the U.S.

Perhaps making the mosque into a center for social, political and religious freedom would be nice too.

I vote we take khomeini shrine

exhume the body  grind it up for dog food...

and rename every urinal in Iran the 

Ayatollah Khomeini memorial fountain 

JD

unfair to Pahlavi Shah's to be burried in that shrine next to a murderer!

Khomeini: 20% favorable rating? NO!

Faramarz, I don't really know where you get your figures, but I would bet my last dollar that your statement that "at least 20%" of Iranians still consider Khomeini a "quasi-sacred" figure is way off. 

Based on my many visits to Iran over the years (and I have traveled all over Iran and not just north Tehran), I would put the figure closer to 5-10%, with my personal money closer to 5%. I don't know when was the last time that you visited Iran, but believe me, 70% of the population was born AFTER the revolution, and the greater majority of those who participated in our national suicide regret their involvement and despise the mullahs as a breed, specially Khomeini.

For my money, I would put the number of those who consider Khomeini a "quasi-sacred" figure somewhere around 3%-5%. Remember, I doubt that this regime has the support of more than 3% of the people, but that's still a lot of bought-off people, specially when they're the only ones with guns.

A museum of Learing History!

with the pictures of all patriots who were martyred, killed under torture & rape or lost their lives by the the IRI criminals.  All these pictures must have the description of their honorable lives & their demise.  May we learn from this tragic period in the history of IRAN.

About Worshippers

Let them be,

but if their sermons promote discrimination or if they do chants that are discriminatory towards anyone in any way [gender, sexual orientation, religion] then they should be sent to jail immediately. I'm a "minority" of two of the above and I've had enough of their crap, throw them in a cell. They can have their ideas but keep them at home or in their head.

Leave it alone?

I apologise but the people who say "DESTROY IT!!!!11oneone" aren't being rational;

this really shouldn't be destroyed. To be honest when a new Iran comes the laws will make it mandatory for all non-Shi'as and women and sexual orientations and etc to be equal with everyone else which completely contradicts Khomeini and his beliefs, so when people say we shouldn't have a reminder of it anymore well with these laws in place it's not like anyone can say "oh I supported Khomeini doing this or that" if it's discriminatory in anyway because they'll be sent to jail!

Not only that but it's history; you can't just destory history.  I say leave it alone and just make the museums or parks etc off the property of the shrine; the best museum or way of preserving something like this is to leave it alone and don't add or take anything from it.

What to do with Khomeini shrine after revolution.

I have million and half ideas as to what to do with Mr. Khomeini's shrine after the revolution, the proper way would be, to simply let the people decide.

DEMOLITION

GET A DEMOLITION CREW TO CAUSE AN IMPLOSION. DESTROY HIS GRAVE COMPLETELY !!!! ERECT A CITY COUNCIL BUILDING OVER IT SO KHOMEINI CAN ROLL OVER HIS GRAVE A THOUSAND TIMES SEEING DEMOCRACY IN ACTION !!!!!  NEXT TO THE CITY COUNCIL BUILDING LEAVE A SINGLE WALL FROM HIS SHRINE WITH NAMES AND FACES OF EVERY WOMAN, MAN, AND CHILD MURDERED AND RAPED BY THE REGIME !!!! So that in 200 yrs from now another phucking mullah can't give half truths and lies to setup another "Divine Government" with himself set as it's Ultimate Divine Ruler. 

یاد بود آشتی ملی و کارنامه رهبران

مستراح رایگان امام خمینی برین و برو

Better to live for just a single day as a ruler than to live for forty years as an abject slave

B.K.

Leave the grave alone. let the worshipers arrive in peace.

Build a museum with many halls and rooms around the shrine that bares the pictures and the discription of raped, tortured, killed, hanged, shot and ........... ordered by the man buried in the center of the complex. Let the worshipers arrive and worship in peace, only to have no choice but go through the hallways and rooms with thousonds and thousonds of pictures of beautiful innocent Iranian men, women and children ordered dead by the men they are here to worship. I can assure you many will return in disgust befor they can reach the shrine.

let it stand as a reminder to never ever ever again allow religion and politics mix.

Re: Make beautiful park around it...

Great idea!
How about an amusement park to celebrate the END of the satanic republic? And the Dajjal's $hrine could be used as the Haunted attraction...

i agree with the museum but

i agree with the museaum idea but before that happens i like to do what ff's avatar is doing on his grave.

you all sound like a secular Khalkhali

What makes you different than Khalkhali? trying to destroy iran's history? You guys make me laugh from your hypocrisy. 

khomeini shrine

get rid of all the gold & put it in central bank & turn it to a museum for all the victims of IRR

mahmoudg

We do owe it to the Shah but we owe it even more to his father. His shrine must be rebuilt. He was the man who brought us out of the dark ages. Reza Khan aka Reza Shah Bozorg deserves our thanks.

Museum of tolerance and genocide

A very good and valid question that is highly charged among Iranians. I agree that it should be turned into a "Museum of Tolerance and Genocide of the Islamic faith".  We should raze the tomb itself and only leave his stone, much like millions of others he murdered.  the rest of the acreage should be turned into a park.

The bigger questions is what shall we do with the hundreds of worthless mosques they have erected.  all the money they wasted building these useless edifices for what?? when they could erect schools, public latrines, affordable housing, etc. etc. etc.  thirty years of wasted opportunities.  We owe it to the late Shah to rebuild the Nation he loved so much.

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The Pahlavis, all mullahs, and all public figures associated with the Green Movement  must disclose the source and the amount of their wealth/income.

Make beautiful park around it and..

Make a beautiful park around it for people to visit ..Engrave the name of EVERY VICTIM OF his INjUSTICE

on a Memorial Wall, including he name of every child he sent to die in the Iraq front.

A shrine

One to all those who lost their lives because of that div. Never again will Iran allow Zahhak to rule her. To remind us of what stupidity will do. No more div rule.

I agree w/ a museum: The Never-Ever-Again Museum.

Good choice statira,

With the evidence of the last 30 years of horror within, it should be a symbol of why there is a "Separation of Religion and State" clause in the Constitution of Iran.

The Never-Ever-Again Museum.

As a horror museum!

It should be turned in to a museum something like Holocaust museum, with all the pictures of the Islamic regime's victims from early Revolution to Iran- Iraq war to 1983 masacre till now.