Elimination of extremes of wealth and poverty.


by Faramarz_Fateh

My wife and 2 sons went to China for a few weeks last month.  Upon their return, they met a Chinese family who had immigrated from China to the U.S. in 2007 after the father of the family had made a fortune buying land and developing it in Shanghai between late 1999 and 2006.  The man, originally a university professor and member of the communist party had bought equivalant of 6 acres of land in Shanghai for $700,000 (with help of his family in the U.S.), developed 3 condo complexes (each one 30 stories) on the land and sold the 360 condos for God knows how much.  Any how, he had become rich beyond his wildest dreams.

In 2007 this family met a Persian family in Irvine who happened to be Bahais.  Among one of the principles of the Bahai religion these people discussed was the idea or principle of "elimination of extremes of poverty and wealth" as a goal for today's and future societies.

Now normally Chinese are known to be very materialistic and money hungry.  Believe me if someone would have asked me to assign a few attributes to the Chinese, I would have said stingy or money hungry.  Any how, after thinking about this idea for a few months, this Chinese guy decided that for him and his family 25% of his newly accummulated wealth was enough to live on, very comfortably.  So, in early 2008 he decided to use 75% of his wealth to build 80 rural homes, a couple of schools and a health clinic in the village he was born in.  Interestingly enough, he names the school and the clinic after the kids of this Bahai family.  The clinic is called "the Adeeb clinic for Children" and the name of the daughter/school scapes me now.

Don't worry, the Chinese family didn't become Bahais.  I haven't become one yet and I am not trying to do indirect advertising for Bahais.  But this story sort of touched my heart.  Someone, generally known for his love of money, becoming so moved by a principle or an idea that gives up much of his personal and family wealth for well being of others.  I hope one day I gain that level of humanity and maturity.  As the Chinese saying goes, even the longest journey starts with the first step.


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WTF are you talking about?

by Zulfiqar110 on

I haven't flagged anything of yours, nor am I afraid like you Baha'is are to stand by anything I say, nor am I in the habit of censoring anybody like you Baha'is are.

Get a grip! The source of your problem is either yourself or someone else.



by Faramarz_Fateh on

When you cannot answer points from my response posts you flag them so they get deleted.  Just like a child that runs to mommy.

Be a man.  If you post something, have the balls to read the responses. 



Just fyi

by Wendy9w on


You sound very sure of yourslf and all, but I thought I might share a few things with you anyway just in case you're open to other ideas. First, having been an American Bahá'í for the past 46 years (guess I'm just a sucker), I can tell you that countless times over those years people, yes Americans, have told me that if they were going to join a religion it would be the Bahá'í Faith. I know you may find that hard to believe, but its principles are very attractive to many people all around the world or it wouldn't have spread all around the world to people of all religions and no religion. I had no religion when I heard of it and it rang true to me. Its principles are a perfect match for the day in which we live, and just as this Chinese man was influenced by them and changed his life because of them, the same has happened to countless others. They didn't have to join the Baha'i Faith to be inspired by it. That's fine with us. We all have to make up our own minds about which religion to be a part of.

As to your question why someone wouldn't choose Zoroastrianism or Buddhism, well one good reason is that you would have to decide which sect was the right one. Even tiny Zoroastrianism has at least two. Buddhism has hundreds, and its two main divisions are quite different from each other. How does one choose? The scriptures of these religions are very old. How does one know they're accurate? As Bahá'ís, we accept both Zoroaster and the Buddha as Manifestations of God, so that covers it anyway. :)

As for Matt Weinberg, I met him a couple of times myself, but I don't see how that link has anything to do with him. I didn't see his name come up there. Maybe I'm just a sucker. LOL

Warmly, Wendy


Thank you dear Mr Fateh;

by Tahirih on

I have started to like you :)))) even though once you called me lazy bahai sitting at home:)) No worries sir, water under the bridge.

I really enjoyed your heart warming blog.What is wonderful is that the principles which Bahaullah brought to humanity are moving forward in our personal and collective lives, as human beings move towards maturity, without the need for us to be Bahais . Another example  is Iranian women's movement for equality of rights, which is also a Bahai principle.

By the way  cheshemeh shoma rowshan ke khanom bargashteh:))


Ali Akbar

gee Zulfiqar110 are you jealous???

by Ali Akbar on

how about a hug


No, but you seem to be having a psychotic caniption of your own

by Zulfiqar110 on

1) The criticism was not of your avatar but of the logo (i.e. title) for your blog. Do you know all the various applications of the word logo?

2) The so-called Baha'i argument for the elimination of extremes of wealth and poverty is a species of the classical Socialist (Marxist, Fabian or otherwise) redistribution of wealth argument. The Baha'i position does not stand on anything else. BTW I happen to agree with wealth re-distribution and consistently vote Left of Center and agree with European style mixed economies, State welfare policies like socialized medicine, progressive taxation and such like.

3) The clear suggestion in your blog here is that the Chinese couple named their child Adib as an exclusive result of contact with Baha'is. I pointed out that there is nothing uniquely Baha'i about the word 'Adib.

4) You are missing the fact that China had a so-called Communist Revolution in 1949 under an anti-Confucian Marxist-Leninist known as Mao Zaodong, and after Mao's death the Chinese Communist Party continued its anti-Confucianism for years under a state capitalist policy until very recently. I'd suggest you study the history of China before making typically ignorant Baha'i conclusions about Traditional Confucianism and its history in China. BTW Confucianism is not a religion, but an ethical/cultural philosophy. Taoism and Buddhism are religions and they are thriving all over China - as they have for the past 2,500+ years.

5) A huge presence of Baha'is in the PRC means that there are inordinate number of Baha'i pioneers to the PRC than any other country Baha'is are pioneering to. Under the cover of the ESL industry (English as a Second Language), the Baha'is have been descending to the PRC since the early 1990s - probably because the PRC is a giant dozd baazaar and Baha'is thrive under dozd baazaars.

6) Your conscience is clear as clear gets? In the eternal words of Shakespeare, "Methinks the lady doth protest too much!"

7) If you don't know who Matt Weinberg is, just ask Faryar. He'll tell you; or follow the link I provided. 

8) If you had to chose a religion, why wouldn't you choose Zoroastrianism or Buddhism or similar? I know the answer: because only Baha'is pretending to be non-Bahais ever say if they had to chose a religion it would be the Baha'i faith.

A sucker is born every day!


Zulfaqar are you on any sort of medication?

by Faramarz_Fateh on

First of all, my logo/avatar is the Iranian flag colors.  How is my choice of logos any sort of advertising?

secondly, I will respond to your comments as politely as I can:

1) Elimination of EXTREMES of poverty and wealth is a VERY different concept from socialism or redistribution of wealth.  If you read a bit, and base your comments on facts and not prejudicial misconceptions, it will take you far.  When you eliminate extremes, you will still have millionairs.  But probably no multi billionaires as there are over 1000 of them now.

2) When and where did I claim that Bahais invented the name Adib?  Are you OK?  What did your mother cook for dinner for you?  The name Adeeb was the name of the son of the family who had discussions with the Chinese dude.  Read my post again.

3) If despite teachings of Confucianism China as you say is plagued by materialism, then those teachings obvioulsy are not working.  Are they?  Am I missing something?

4) What is a huge presence of Bahais in China mean?  In a country of 1.3 Billion people, what constitutes a huge presence?  There are probably less than 5,000 Bahais in the entire country of China.  Is that what you are calling huge?  There are 1,400,000 Muslims in China.  Even that by Chinese standards is not huge.  Get serious my friend.

5) I agree there are too many gullible idiots in the world.  Majority are religous fanatics like yourself. 

6) My conscience is as clean and clear as it gets.  I have openly said, and many times, that in case I ever choose to accept an organized religion, it will most definitely be the Bahai faith.  Why would I feel any guilt?  Another thing I am 100% sure is that Islam is probably THE worst of the organized religion for this time.  It may have had a purpose 1000 years ago, but paleez, 21st century and Islamic law?!  LOL

7) I don't know who M. Weinberg is but if I run into him as I pass the gullibleville, I be sure to send your regards 


You are directly (not indirectly) advertising for the Baha'is

by Zulfiqar110 on

Including in your choice of logos for your blog. 

Note 1) Baha'is did not invent Socialism or the concept of the Redistribution of Wealth. Note 2) The word 'Adib was not invented by the Baha'is. It is a word in the vocabulary of the Persian and Arabic languages. Note 3) the traditional Confucian ethic of Chinese civilization is against the kind of materialism that has become the plague of modern China and the Chinese. Note 4) There has been a huge Baha'i presence in the People's Republic of China since the early 1990s and the Baha'i owned company SOHO China used to be based out of Shanghai. FYI. Note 5) There are many gullible idiots in the world!

Now you seem to suffer from a guilty conscience. That is the second time (and in two separate blogs that I have read) where you have come out and overtly rallied around an explicitly Baha'i platform, only to backtrack with a sarcastic rejoinder about watching how you are about to be accused of being a Baha'i. I don't see anyone explicitly accusing you of being a Baha'i, although you are tooting the Baha'i horn pretty hard yourself. Unless you have a guilty conscience about whatever duplicitly you're playing at, what gives?

Have a nice day. Also my regards to Matthew Weinberg:


Bahram G

A just and marvelous ideal

by Bahram G on

Dear Mr. Fateh,

Thanks for sharing this account. Whether or not a person is a Baha'i, there is no reason that one can't follow a good ideal. As far as I am concerned, a spiritual solution to the economic problem is one of the most noble ideals of humanity and the one that can indeed effectively address the terrible divide that exists in many societies between the destitute masses and the extremely rich few.

When we all come to the realization that the true wealth is not one's bank account but the joy of heart, then we would be more willing, without laws compelling us, to limit our own avarice and share our resources with the needy ones of the human family.

We do well to recall M. Gandhi's assertion: there is enough to meet everyone's need, but not enough to meet everyone's greed.

We also do well to recall our own insightful poem: bani adam azaye yek paykarand -- ke az adamyat ze yek joharand -- cho ozwi be dard arad roozegard -- degar ozvha ra namand gharar. [hope I did recite this magnificent poem correctly]

Excellent blog Mr. Fateh


elimination of extremes of wealth and poverty

by abaiana on

It is very difficult to conceive that the Chinese family born and raised in communist China had not heard of this beautiful slogan before. Suddenly they heard it here in the U.S. and immediately were so impressed and influenced by it that they returned %75 of their wealth to China for  charitable projects.


Faramarz Khan..

by faryarm on

Faramarz Khan..

Thank you for the touchung story.



Terry McBride

Actually the Chinese Government is Supportive

by Terry McBride on

of the Bahais in China... sure they don't allow us to form LSA's and such...


But they do allow us to teach and so forth.. Also I know of 3 friends who went to China to teach English and they had no problems...


We obey China's rules and we all live in peace.... 

Adib Masumian

Such admirable altruism!

by Adib Masumian on

Yes indeed, we can all learn from such generosity and selflessness. Thanks for sharing this story with us during these tumultuous times, dear Faramarz! And what an excellent choice as far as naming that school is concerned! ;)

Yadam Beh-Khair

Chinese man Mofsedeh-fel-arz

by Yadam Beh-Khair on

This Chinese man will soon be labeled as agent of USA, Isreal, and UK for naming the buildings after the Bahai childeren.