Making the same mistake one more time.

by Faramarz_Fateh

Thirty years ago, something like 60-80% of Iranians wanted the Shah gone.  That was it, nothing more, nothing less.  We never thought once about the consequences and we saw what happened.  Please excuse my language but we went from being partially submerged in "goh to being fully submerged in "eshaal"!  

Now, people of Iran are so sick of whats happened to them in the past 30 years (and rightfully so) that all they want is change, reform, an end to the current regime.  From my numerous blogs you can easily see that there is no one out there who hates the IRI and Islam more than I do.  Thats a well documented fact.

But for God sake, for once, lets think about what we are doing.  Lets say Khamenei and Ahmadinejad are gone.  Do we want a Islamic-Military regime to take over with one of the sepah or basij heads running the country?  Do we want Mir Hossein Mousavi or Mehdi Karroubi as a President?  What about "velayate faghih"? Do we want an Islamic democracy or a secular democracy?  Who will be the heads of the new government?  Basically, who will be the running the country until a so called democratic system is installed.

Is there unity of thought in Iran?  The only thing people are united about is getting rid of the current regime. In my opinion, whats happening is a mistake. As usual, we have not thought this thing through and the chances of another big mistake is very high.

I sure as hell hope I am wrong. 


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Dear Dr. Faramarz

by Faramarz_Fateh on

I'm sure its very tough for someone of your stature and intellect to think its possible to bring up questions about subjects you may not have a Phd in.  But, lets indulge the rest of us for a while and allow us to catch up with you.  Its a tough proposition but we'll give it our best.

Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez

Give me a break!

by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on

There really isn't anyone to take over for the IRI that the people unanimously respect and trust. Big surprise!

Yes, I have read your numerous blogs. You never gave it much thought yourself before.

Why are you changing your tune now?

Baba Taher-e Oryan

A Big Hat for the Iranians

by Baba Taher-e Oryan on

Remember Nicolae Ceausescu?

Within few days starting with chants of dissent in his last speech to the Bucharestians, he and his wife were sumarily executed. Then emerged a new government made up of Cummunist and the Military hierarchy,  creation of National Salvation Front that ran Romania for the next fifteen years or so taking her deeper into corruption and mis management. 

Today's Iran is very similar to then Romania. There is no clear opposition leader or a Stateman who is acceptable by the majority of the Iranians, a person who can be trusted to meet the demand for a truely Free Iran in its entire meaning.

Instead we have been Forced Spoon Fed with characters with suspect past and allegiance now mainly resident in U.S. of A. backed by a massive investment and propeganda initiated by spending large sums in media such as VOA and BBC Persian.

Do not be surprised that Western Politicians are quiet right now but they will raise their voices in support of the Iranian nation but in reality in support of a weak individual such as mir Husain Musavi but only at the next stage of the plot when a segment of the Revolutionary Guards will take sides resulting in more clashes and more deaths on streets of Tehran

A fast turn around in the balance of power within Iran will damage and most possibly destroy any chances for the Iranians to achieve their natural demand. That is to be in par with the people of the Western World


From One Faramarz to Another

by Faramarz on

When you are in a hole my friend, a deep hole, stop digging!

In a commentary about the Iranian Air Force Generals, you said that you were too young to know what was happening 30 years ago. So let’s stick to that for the time being!

marhoum Kharmagas

good article Fateh!

by marhoum Kharmagas on

Fateh, I know by telling that, you might go hit your head to a wall very hard, but facts are facts. The fact of the matter is that the two major mafias are fighting for dominance in Iran....  

No matter where you are going with this, your article has good points.

Nepotism under IRI:




Big Boy


by Big Boy on

Glad you realized how stupid your question was to begin with.

All the best.


Is it déjà vu all over again (Yogi Berra)?

by MM on

I agree that in 1979, Iran got out of a pot-hole and fell into a well, as the old Persian proverb predicted.  Many of us just want the Un-Islamic Republic to fold, but not sure what is around the corner.  Is it déjà vu all over again (as Yogi Berra said)? 

The protests have morphed into more than what a reform can deliver, i.e., folks like Mousavi who still want to work within the framework of an Islamic Republic.  In order for the people to rally behind charismatic leaders who want to go beyond the Islamic Republic, the core beliefs need to be stated (media interviews, websites).  

* We know what MKO wants: another theocracy with aale-Rajavi at the helm.

* I am not even sure what the Shahis want: go back to pre-1979 or have something like the British Monarchy?

* I am not sure how an Iranian Republic will handle the many Iranian ethnicities who have been crying for semi-autonomous states (e.g., Kurds, Turks, Arabs, …..).  I do not want Iran to fall apart like Yugoslavia did in 90's.

* More importantly, we are outside Iran acting like arm-chair generals.  What do the demonstrators want?  Do we know?

Maybe JJ can create a forum for alternative thinking in the forms of government in Iran.   


OK BigBoy

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Today I am in a civil mood.  Despite your valient efforts, I won't engage.  Better luck to you elsewhere.

Hold on, let me return your "due respect".  It may come in handy.


OK Marge, my apology

by Faramarz_Fateh on

I retract my response and extend my apology.  :-)

I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek

faramarz is nothing if not arrogant

by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on

it's ok. he doesn't take criticism well. my favorite blog by him was when he said that fred was an IRI agent. i guess that didn't involve alcohol and a lonely night, right Faramarz?

Big Boy

Oh no

by Big Boy on

F, not at all.  Just one name and I'm not trying to start a confrontation.  But when you ask a question (as dumb as it might be), you  must be prepared for a reaction.  Again, should we form a committee, ask for our rights, and present a petition to Ahmadinejad and Khamenie?  Should we ask them why they stole the election?  Should we ask to kindly and with all due respect to restore the elections results?  Should we then all just go home and wait for Ahmadi and Khameni to then restore the wishes of the Iranian people?  Afterall, as you can see by the killings and imprisonment of doctors, lawyers, professors, thinkers, that they are reasonable people.  RIGHT?

So, you asked a stupid question and you got a response. 

With all due respect.


I share the same fear and afew days ago wrote the following:

by daneshjoo on


ویژگی های حکومت آینده چه باید باشد؟  می بینیم و می دانیم که جمهوری اسلامی در سی سال گذشته با عملکرد خود موجبات نارضایتی و آزارشدید ایرانیان را در درون کشور فراهم کرده، و سبب  بد نامی ایران و ایرانیان در خارج از کشور شده است.  بسیاری از مفسران سیاسی بر این باورند که در سال 57 مردم  سرزمین ما چنان سرگرم دگرگون کردن وضع موجود بودند که فرصت اندیشیدن در مورد وضع مطلوب،  یا  مشخصات دقیق حکومت  جانشین را نداشتند.  به همین دلیل پس از براندازی حکومت وقت، گروهی تنگ نظر، نالایق  و خود کامه عنان کشور را در دست گرفته و حکومتی بوجود آوردنده اند که  تنها سزاوار خودشان بوده و ملت بزرگ ایران را در بر نمی گیرد. خود کامگی، انحصار طلبی، آزاده کشی و ندیده گرفتن ارزش های ملی  ایرانیان بعضی از عیوب حکومت فعلی است.   اکنون باز ملت ایران و خصوصا جوانان فرهیخته، استوار و مصصم برخاسته اند تا آنچه را نمی خواهند براندازند و حکومت تازه ای بر سر کار آورند.   بنا براین لازمست که تصویر روشنی از آنچه می خواهند، داشته و آن تصویر را دراختیار همگان قرار دهند تا  دو باره فرصت طلبان، گروه های خود محور، و طرفداران منافع بیگانگان  نتوانند حاصل تلاش های گرانبهای  مردمی را ربوده و بخود اختصاص دهند.

از خوانندگان علاقه مند وارجمند درخواست می شود تا کمی به این موضوع پرداخته و در مورد ویژگی های حکومت آینده  مطا لبی فهرست واربنویسند و در اینجا، با دیگران در میان نهند.  امید اینست که  بیان این ویژگی ها و گفتگو در مورد آنها، حد اقل در خارج از کشور،  خواسته ها را به گونه ی دقیق تری روشن کرده و احتملا دید گاه های گروه های مختلف ایرانی را بهم نزدیک ترکند.
شاید بدین ترتیب  نیروهای مخالف، بیش از پیش همسو شوند و راه پیروزی قدمی هموار تر شود.  


Mr. BigBoy & Marge

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Jenaabe Big Boy, your civility in discourse should be a lesson and example to us all.  Why do you insist in using language like  "So, while you can ask questions (as stupid as they might be), you must also think about the answers as well".

What part of my question is stupid? Maybe someone with your intellectual prowess can guide a simpleton like me.  BigBoy is most likely one of your many IDs on this site and you are just trying your best to make this into a personal confrontation.  Your beef is probably from another time.

Ms. Marge with a crush, you must be hitting the booz a bit too early today dear.  Take it easy. 

I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek

faramarz let me introduce you to fred. your fellow stink bomber

by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on

so what are you worried about? that mojaheds might come and take over? hopefully it won't be chaotic, but how do you really know what people somewhere far off and underreported are really aiming at?

i was waiting for the cold water blog and this time it wasn't fred! good work faramarz. 

i disagree wholeheartedly that this is like 1979. i was against 1979 and i watched from indoors shaking my head. that was just embarrassing to watch people just walking around aimlessly for the sake of it, as dumb as shah was. very sad how people behaved then. This is much different and the younger generation has access to more planning than we know. give them some credit faramarz. they might not have familiar heroes, but they have them. the news on this is not accurate at all. we'll have to wait to see what emerges. don't be so negative.

Big Boy

Your opinion

by Big Boy on

F, you can anything you like.  I asked you a question also.  Should they think about what we want next, then sign a petition and deliver to Ahmadi and Khameni and ask them to please kindly change their ways?  Maybe ask Ahmadi to please restore the election results?  Maybe ask him to kindly release the political prisoners?  So, while you can ask questions (as stupid as they might be), you must also think about the answers as well.

But I do agree with you that you can't influence and sabotage the green movement.  You're just some guy asking questons...really really stupid questions,

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Irandokht jan

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


We do have an impact. Not a lot as individuals but in mass we do have a voice. We all matter and our voices are heard. Our writings does give support to the demonstrators. Do not short change yourself.

There is no point in looking to US or any other foreign nation for help. They are out for themselves. This is an Iranian matter. I strongly object to any interference by US or  Israel. I am not fan of Islam but this must be sorted out by Iranians not outsiders.

As for people like us i.e. Iranians outside. Our real job however will begin once this regime falls over. Then we must  join forces to bring prosperity to Iran. We got abilities that will help rebuild Iran.



by IRANdokht on

you said: But for God sake, for once, lets think about what we are doing.

You obviously think you're "doing" something... I was wondering what it is that you think you're doing besides ranting about Islam and the reformists who are actually on the front lines of what's going on in Iran.

To answer your question: no you and all other bloggers including me have no effect on the outcome either way. We just express our opinions. Some of us support what's going on in Iran and some don't and try to dishearten the rest. There are people who are staying up and blogging about the events showing their support for the Iranians who are fighting on the streets and under fire, some others are trying very hard to convince the rest of us that US and Israel should bomb Iran.

What we say and write here may not matter to the rest of the world, but it matters to us, the ones who come in here and read the blogs, the articles, the comments.


Shazde Asdola Mirza

Right now the IRI is wholely ruled by the Sepah-e-Ghods!

by Shazde Asdola Mirza on

Right now the IRI is ruled by the Sepah-e-Ghods. Don't be foolish, do you think that Khamenei has any real power? He is just a hostage and a puppet in the hands of Hezbollah! One wrong word and him and his family are minced meat.


IranDokht and BigBoy

by Faramarz_Fateh on

ID, do you really think that I as an anonymous blogger on can sabotage anything? Like the so called green movement in Iran?!  Are you really that simple?  I sure hope not.

Mr. BigBoy, I just asked a question and voiced my opinion.  Is this how you envision democracy?  No one should say anything you don't agree with ? 

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

We want

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


I think it is pretty obvious what we want. An elected democracy with religion out of the government. Some want Monarchy but that is mostly among exiles and it not likely to return. If it does it will be a parlimentary system.

The Iranian people have showed the maturity to make their own democracy.

The BS about a military Islamic regime is being pushed by Iran haters. But I don't think it will go across well. People don't want it.

We already have the Majlis and office of President. We may want to add back the position of Prime Minister.

  • Get religion out of the government.
  • Abolish "Velayat Fagih". No power to unelected governments.
  • Maybe restore the office of Prime Minister.

I used to be a lot less hopeful but now things have changed. After watching the crowd actually protect a foe I believe that people are ready for a way overdue democracy and will get it. Stay tuned!

Big Boy

cart before the horse

by Big Boy on

Yes, lets think about all this instead of standing up for our rights and fighting back.  lets form a committee and think about this.  Lets not take any action, lets just sit and think about what you have suggested.  Thinking about these things should be first.  Once we decide what we want, then we will sign a petition and take it to Ahmadi and Khamenei and tell them that we have thought about the change we want.  Oh wait...that was already done THROUGH THE VOTES FOR MOUSSAVI.  Once Ahmadi and his gang stole the election, then the people responded.  So while you go and think about things, the brave men and women of Iran are fighting for their rights. 


Just curious

by IRANdokht on

exactly what is it that you have done besides trying to sabotage the greens from the beginning?