What if Mohammad (S) was a ...

by Faramarz_Fateh

Ever thought what if Mohammad was a woman?  A woman who at age 40 married a 9 year old boy; and consumated the marriage.

Or what if Mohammad was not the prophet of Islam and he brought the Jewish or  Bahai religion?  Then, and only then we would criticize the prophets of these religions for  marrying (or as some say raping) a child.

Just as we ignore an important fact like the age of the prophet's bride, we ignore a lot of different things about Islam.  Much like the same thing as Americans.   They have the biggest stockpile of nuclear weapons and are the only nation who has used nukes in wars (WWII, Iraq I and Iraq II) and yet they want to force Iran not to have nukes.  Some things just don't make any sense.

Many of the teachings of the major religions these days don't make any sense either; like Kosher food, Zebhe Islami, Jews only marrying Jews, sighe-ye Islami, Sharie' law, hejab, concept of najes.  What the fuck.  How come pig is nages and goat is not?  How come dog is najes but cat is not?  Pork is a much cleaner, leaner meat with less cholestorol than beef.  How many Iranian Muslims do you know that don't eat pork?  But the drink vodka like its sharbate golab.

i think its high time some of us (not all, but maybe 2 out of 3) start using this concept called logic. 



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Kaveh Nouraee

This brings everything into question

by Kaveh Nouraee on

Dariush Abadi......it is batil due to the text being contradictory to historic events that happened in that era.

If that portion of text is contradictory, then how can the rest of the text be given serious consideration for validity?

This has been a burning question in the matter of all religious text. The prevalence of contradictions throughout all of the holy books puts all of it into question.


History Revisionists

by Anonymous Observer (not verified) on

I am really sick and tired of these history revisionists who want to justify the unjustifiable by twisting well documented historical facts. Mr. Darisuhabadi, in response to your obscure historical "source" and your unsupported historical assumptions, can you please respond to these quotes from well respected Arab and Muslim historians, such as Al-Bokhari and Tabari:


Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)

Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'" (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 140; see also Number 139)

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)


'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309; see also 3310)

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)


Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 4915)

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 13, Number 2380)


… When Hadrat Aisha passed nine years of marriage life, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) fell in mortal sickness… ‘A’isha was eighteen years of age at the time when the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) passed away and she remained a widow for forty-eight years till she died at the age of sixty-seven. She saw the rules of four Caliphs in her lifetime. She died on Ramadan 58 A.H. during the Caliphate of Hadrat Amir Mu‘awiya… (Sunan Nasa'i: English translation with Arabic Text, compiled by Imam Abu Abd-ur-Rahman Ahmad Nasa'i, rendered into English by Muhammad Iqbal Siddiqui [Kazi Publication, 121-Zulqarnain Chambers, Gampat Road, Lahore, Pakistan; first edition, 1994], Volume 1, p. 108)


1876. ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) is reported to have said: Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted marriage with me while I was (yet) a six years [sic] old girl. Then we arrived at Medina and stayed with Banu Harith b. Khazraj. I fell victim to fever; then my hair (of the head fell off (and became scattered). Then they became plenty and hanged down upto [sic] the earlobes. My mother ‘Umm Ruman came to me while I was (playing) in a swing alongwith [sic] my play-mates. She (the mother) called me loudly. I went to her and I did not know what he [sic] wanted. She seized my hand and stopped me at the door of the house and I was hearing [sic] violently until the agitation of my heart was over. Then she took some water and wiped it over my face and head. Then she admitted me to the house when some woman [sic] of Ansar were present in the house. They said, "You have entered with blessings and good fortune." Then she (the mother) entrusted me to them. So they embellished me and nothing frightened me but Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) (when he came there) in the morning and they (the women) entrusted me to him. On that day, I was a nine years [sic] old girl."

1877. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have said, "The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) married ‘A’isha while she was a seven years [sic] old girl and took him [sic] to his house as a bride when she was nine years old and he parted with her (after his demise) when she was eighteen years old."

According to Al-Zawa‘id its isnad is sahih in accordance with the condition prescribed by Bukhari, but munqata because Abu ‘Ubaida did not hear from his father. Shu‘ba Abu Hatim and Ibn Hibban mentioned him amongst the authentic and reliable authorities. Tirmidhi in al-Jami’ and al-Mazzi in al-Atraf (has expressed the same opinion). Nasa‘i has transmitted this hadith in al-Sughra from the hadith ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her). (Sunan Ibn-I-Majah, Imam Abdullah Muhammad B. Yazid Ibn-I-Maja Al-Qazwini, English version by Muhammad Tufail Ansari [Kazi Publications, 121-Zulqarnain Chambers, Gampat Road, Lahore Pakistan, first edition, 1995], volume III, pp. 133-134)


He married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of seven and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad), translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, tenth impression 1995], p. 792)


In this year also the Messenger of God consummated his marriage with ‘A’ishah. This was in Dhu al-Qa‘dah (May-June 623) eight months after his arrival in Medina according to some accounts, or in Shawwal (April-May 623) seven months after his arrival according to others. He had married her in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadijah. At that time she was six or, according to other accounts, seven years old.

According to ‘Ab al-Hamid b. Bayan al-Sukkari- Muhammad b. Yazid- Isma‘il (that is, Ibn Abi Khalid)- ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Abi al-Dahhak- a man from Quraysh- ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Muhammad: ‘Abd Allah b. Safwan together with another person came to ‘A’ishah, and ‘A’ishah said (to the latter), "O so-and-so, have you heard what Hafsah has been saying?" He said, "Yes, O Mother of the Faithful." ‘Abd Allah b. Safwan asked her, "What is that?" She replied, "There are nine special features in me that have not been in any woman, except for what God bestowed on Maryam bt. ‘Imran. By God, I do not say this to exalt myself over any of my companions." "What are these?" he asked. She replied, "The angel brought down my likeness; the Messenger of God married me when I was seven; my marriage was consummated when I was nine; he married me when I was a virgin, no other man having shared me with him; inspiration came to him when he and I were in a single blanket; I was one of the dearest people to him, a verse of the Qur’an was revealed concerning me when the community was almost destroyed; I saw Gabriel when none of his other wives saw him; and he was taken (that is, died) in his house when there was nobody with him but the angel and myself."

According to Abu Ja‘far (Al-Tabari): The Messenger of God married her, so it is said, in Shawwal, and consummated his marriage to her in a later year, also in Shawwal. (The History of Al-Tabari: The Foundation of the Community, translated by M.V. McDonald annotated by W. Montgomery Watt [State University of New York Press, Albany 1987], Volume VII, pp. 6-7)

Sa‘id b. Yahya b. Sa‘id al-Umawi- his father- Muhammad b. ‘Amr- Yahya b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Hatib- ‘A’isha: When Khadijah died, Khawlah bt. Hakim b. Umayyah b. al-Awqas, wife of ‘Uthman b. Maz‘un, who was in Mecca, said [to the Messenger of God], "O Messenger of God, will you not marry?" He replied, "Whom?" "A maiden," she said, "if you like, or a non-maiden." He replied, "Who is the maiden?" "The daughter of the dearest creature of God to you," she answered, "‘A’ishah bt. Abi Bakr." He asked, "And who is the non-maiden?" "Sawdah bt. Zam‘ah b. Qays," she replied, "she has [long] believed in you and has followed you." [So the Prophet] asked her to go and propose to them on his behalf.

She went to Abu Bakr’s house, where she found Umm Ruman, mother of ‘A’ishah, and said, "O Umm Ruman, what a good thing and a blessing has God brought to you!" She said, "What is that?" Khawlah replied, "The Messenger of God has sent me to ask for ‘A’ishah’s hand in marriage on his behalf." She answered, "I ask that you wait for Abu Bakr, for he should be on his way." When Abu Bakr came, Khawlah repeated what she had said. He replied, "She is [like] his brother’s daughter. Would she be appropriate for him?" When Khawlah returned to the Messenger of God and told him about it he said, "Go back to him and say that he is my brother in Islam and that I am his brother [in Islam], so his daughter is good for me." She came to Abu Bakr and told him what the Messenger of God had said. Then he asked her to wait until he returned.

Umm Ruman said that al-Mut‘im b. ‘Adi had asked ‘A’ishah’s hand for his son, but Abu Bakr had not promised anything. Abu Bakr left and went to Mut‘im while his wife, mother of the son for whom he had asked ‘A’ishah’s hand, was with him. She said, "O son of Abu Quhafah, perhaps we could marry our son to your daughter if you could make him leave his religion and bring him in to the religion which you practice." He turned to her husband al-Mut‘im and said, "What is she saying?" He replied, "She says [what you have heard]." Abu Bakr left, [realizing that] God had [just] removed the problem he had in his mind. He said to Khawlah, "Call the Messenger of God." She called him and he came. Abu Bakr married [‘A’ishah] to him when she was [only] six years old. (The History of Al-Tabari: The Last Years of the Prophet, translated and annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala [State University of New York Press, Albany 1990], Volume IX, pp. 129-130)

‘A’ishah states: We came to Medina and Abu Bakr took up quarters in al-Sunh among the Banu al-Harith b. al-Khazraj. The Messenger of God came to our house and men and women of the Ansar gathered around him. My mother came to me WHILE I WAS BEING SWUNG ON A SWING BETWEEN TWO BRANCHES AND GOT ME DOWN. Jumaymah, my nurse, took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door, she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was then brought [in] while the Messenger of God was sitting on a bed in our house. [My mother] made me sit on his lap and said, "These are your relatives. May God bless you with them and bless them with you!" Then the men and women got up and left. The Messenger of God consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me. Only Sa‘d b. ‘Ubaidah sent a bowl of food which he used to send to the Messenger of God.

‘Ali b. Nasr- ‘Abd al-Samad b. ‘Abd al-Warith- ‘Abd al-Warith b. ‘Abd al-Samad- his father- Aban al-‘Attar- Hisham b. ‘Urwah- ‘Urwah: He wrote to ‘Abd al-Malik b. Marwan stating that he had written to him about Khadijah bt. Khuwaylid, asking him about when she died. She died three years or close to that before the Messenger of God’s departure from Mecca, and he married ‘A’ishah after Khadijah’s death. The Messenger of God saw ‘A’ishah twice- [first when] it was said to him that she was his wife (she was six years old at that time), and later [when] he consummated she was nine years old.

(The report goes back to Hisham b. Muhammad. See above, I, 1766). Then the Messenger of God married ‘A’ishah bt. Abi Bakr, whose name is ‘Atiq b. Abi Quhafah, who is ‘Uthman, and is called ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Uthman b. ‘Amir b. ‘Amir b. Ka‘b b. Sa‘d b. Taym b. Murrah: [The Prophet] married her three years before the Emigration, when she was seven years old, and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, after he had emigrated to Medina in Shawwal. She was eighteen years old when he died. The Messenger of God did not marry any maiden except her. (The History of al-Tabari, Volume IX, pp. 130-131)

‘A’ishah, daughter of Abu Bakr.

Her mother was Umm Ruman bt. ‘Umayr b. ‘Amr, of the Banu Duhman b. al-Harith b. Ghanm b. Malik b. Kinanah.

The Prophet married ‘A’ishah in Shawwal in the tenth year after the [beginning of his] prophethood, three years before Emigration. He consummated the marriage in Shawwal, eight months after Emigration. On the day he consummated the marriage with her she was nine years old.

According to Ibn ‘Umayr [al-Waqidi]- Musa b. Muhammad b. ‘Abd al-Rahman- Raytah- ‘Amrah [bt. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Sa’d]: ‘A’ishah was asked when the Prophet consummated his marriage with her, and she said:

The Prophet left us and his daughters behind when he emigrated to Medina. Having arrived at Medina, he sent Zayd b. Harithah and his client Abu Rafi’ for us. He gave them two camels and 500 dirhams he had taken from Abu Bakr to buy [other] beasts they needed. Abu Bakr sent with them ‘Abdallah b. Urayqit al-Dili, with two or three camels. He wrote to [his son] ‘Abdallah b. Abi Bakr to take his wife Umm Ruman, together with me and my sister Asma’, al-Zubayr’s wife, [and leave for Medina]. They all left [Medina] together, and when they arrived at Qudayd Zayd b. Harithah bought three camels with those 500 dirhams. All of them then entered Mecca, where they met Talhah b. ‘Ubaydallah on his way to leave town, together with Abu Bakr’s family. So we all left: Zayd b. Harithah, Abu Rafi’, Fatimah, Umm Kulthum, and Sawdah bt. Zam‘ah. Ayd mounted Umm Ayman and [his son] Usamah b. Zayd on a riding beast; ‘Abdallah b. Abi Bakr took Umm Ruman and his two sisters, and Talhah b. ‘Ubaydallah came [too]. We all went together, and when we reached Bayd in Tamanni my camel broke loose. I was sitting in the litter together with my mother, and she started exclaiming "Alas, my daughter, alas [you] bride"; then they caught up with our camel, after it had safely descended the Lift. We then arrived at Medina, and I stayed with Abu Bakr’s children, and [Abu Bakr] went to the Prophet. The latter was then busy building the mosque and our homes around it, where he [later] housed his wives. We stayed in Abu Bakr’s house for a few days; then Abu Bakr asked [the Prophet] "O Messenger of God, what prevents you from consummating the marriage with your wife?" The Prophet said "The bridal gift (sadaq)." Abu Bakr gave him the bridal gift, twelve and a half ounces [of gold], and the Prophet sent for us. He consummated our marriage in my house, the one where I live now and where he passed away. (The History of Al-Tabari: Biographies of the Prophet’s Companions and Their Successors, translated by Ella Landau-Tasseron [State University of New York Press, Albany 1998], Volume XXXIX, pp. 171-173; underline emphasis ours)


Yunus b. Bukayr stated, from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father who said, "The Messenger of God (SAAS) married ‘A’isha three years after (the death of) Khadija. At that time (of the contract) ‘A’isha had been a girl of six. When he married her she was nine. The Messenger of God (SAAS) died when ‘A’isha was a girl of eighteen. "

This tradition is considered gharib (unique in this line).

Al-Bukhari had related, from ‘Ubayd b. Isma‘il, from Abu Usama, from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father, who said, "Khadija died three years before the emigration of the Prophet (SAAS). He allowed a couple of years or so to pass after that, and then he contracted marriage with ‘A’isha when she was six, thereafter consummating marriage with her when she was nine years old."

He consummated marriage with her during the second year following the emigration to Medina.

His contracting marriage with her took place some three years after Khadija’s death, though there is disagreement over this.

The hafiz Ya‘qub b. Sufyan stated, "Al-Hajjaj related to us, that Hammad related to him, from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father, from ‘A’isha, who said, ‘The Messenger of God (SAAS), contracted marriage with me (after) Khadija’s death and before his emigration from Mecca, when I was six years old. After we arrived in Medina some women came to me while I was playing on a swing; my hair was like that of a boy. They dressed me up and put make-up on me, then took me to the Messenger of God (SAAS), and he consummated our marriage. I was a girl of nine.’"

The statement here "muttawaffa Khadija", "Khadija’s death" has to mean that it was shortly thereafter. Unless, that is, the word, ba‘da, "after", originally preceded this phrase and had been omitted from the account. The statement made by Yunus b. Bukayr and Abu Usama from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father, is, therefore, not refuted. But God knows best. (Ibn Kathir, The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya), Volume II, translated by professor Trevor Le Gassick, reviewed by Dr. Muneer Fareed [Garnet Publishing Limited, 8 Southern Court, south Street Reading RG1 4QS, UK; The Center for Muslim Contribution to Civilization, first paper edition, 2000], pp. 93-94)


Next, the Prophet… married Um Abdallah, Aishah, as-Siddiqah (the truthful one), daughter of as-Siddiq (the truthful one) Abu Bakr ibn Abi Qu’hafah, whom Allah has exonerated from above the seven heavens. ‘Aishah bint Abu Bakr was the beloved wife of the Prophet… The angel showed Aishah… to the Prophet… while she was wrapped in a piece of silk cloth, before he married her, and said to him. "This is your wife." The Prophet… married Aishah… during the lunar month of Shawwal, when she was six, and consummated the marriage in the first year after the Hijrah, in the month of Shawwal, when she was nine. The Prophet… did not marry any virgin, except Aishah… and the revelation never came to him while he was under the blanket with any of his wives, except Aishah. (Ibn Qayyim Al-Juaziyyah, Zad-ul Ma’ad fi Hadyi Khairi-l ‘Ibad (Provisions for the Hereafter, From the Guidance of Allah’s Best Worshipper), translated by Jalal Abualrub, edited by Alaa Mencke & Shaheed M. Ali [Madinah Publishers & Distributors, Orlando, Fl: First edition, December 2000], Volume I, pp. 157-158).

Can you please provide us with the historical methodology that you use to disprove all these sources? In proving that ALL of these sources are wrong, please cite your sources and the precise methodology with which you arrive at that historical conclusion. Thank you.


Re: Dariushabadi

by jamshid on

Folks watch out for Islamists like Dariushabadi's attempt to "rewrite" history to suit their needs of the time. Here is a conversation between two false moslem political Islamists:

False moslem Islamist#1 to Islamist#2: gandesh dar omadeh. This thing our prophet did with a nine years old. It's being used against us so often.... We've got to do something about it....

Islamist#2: Be patient my dear brother. Be patient! We are already at it and taking care of it.

Islamist#1: Really? What is it been done?

Islamist#2: What we always do best!

Islamist#1: Oh joy! Kill them all?

Islamist#2: Hmmm. I suppose you are right. Killing is our best art. But no, I had something else in mind... What is the SECOND best thing we excel in?

Islamist#1: I thought killing was it!

Islamist#2: Think, you simpleton! Our second greatest asset is "taghieh"!

Islamist#1: Oh that, oh my! Yes yes!

Islamist#2: So here is the plan: We are simply going to deny the whole thing! Mohammad never married a nine years old! We'll claim that when she was married to the prophet, she was 13 or 16 or 20 or 23 or 28 or "whatever" we wish her age to be! Aren't we great or what?

Islamist#1: Hmmm... I like it! But what about all the extensive bodies of evidence by Islamic scholars, including Ayesheh's own memoir that points to the fact that she was only nine?

Islamist#2: Easy! We start by claiming those evidences were by Sunnis! Then we are going to play with numbers to create some confusion and room for us to maneuver... Then we are going to invent our own scholars together with their fabricated accounts proving that Ayesheh was, say, 20 years old, or whatever we wish her age to be!

Islamist#1: I love it! First deny, then lie some, and then back it all up with falsified fabrications! How like us! But will it work?

Islamist#2: If you repeat the lies, it will work! I know since we have successfully done it before! So remember, we must REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT our lies. In 50 years, the whole account would be buried, and Ayesheh would be 15, errr... 20, I mean... oh well whatever age we want her to be! As long as it'll suit us!

Islamist#1: But what about moral issues such as not standing by the truth, or honesty, or the illegitimacy of it, and so on...?

Islamist#2 and Islamist#1, both laughing outloud: NOT!

So there you have it. Ayesheh was not nine years old, she was 15, no she was 17, I mean 20, whatever!

programmer craig


by programmer craig on

Since you think depleted Uranium is like candy...

I didn't say that. I said it's not comparable to a nuclear detonation. Do they have x-ray machines in Iran? If we follow your reasoning, that means Iran is already in possession of Weapons of Mass Destruction, right? lol.

And is it "logical" for you to deliberately misrepresent my position?

Logic you use to write code in C++ or Java doesn't qualify you to
comment on common sense stuff.

If you wanted to tyalk about "common sense" you should have said so. Instead, you tried to claim you were making logical arguments.

I still think part of the problem is that you don't know what the word "logic" means.


Some depleted Uranium candy for programmer craig

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Since you think depleted Uranium is like candy, I'd like to donate some to you and your family; so you can also enjoy the benefits like the Iraqis who will have to deal with the joy and happiness the depleted Urananium shall bring for them for the next few decades.

Logic you use to write code in C++ or Java doesn't qualify you to comment on common sense stuff. Sometime when you are in Los Angeles areak, stop by and I'll teach you some. Comon sense that is.


Some clarification

by Mazloom on

-In May 1883, the 13-year old Mohandas Gandhi was married to 14-year old Kasturbai Makhanji in an arranged child marriage, as was the custom in the region. However, as was also the custom of the region, the adolescent bride was to spend much time at her parents' house, and away from her husband.  They remained married to each other the rest of their lives and he did not seek other wives, temporary or permenent. 

-Jesus' father was much older than Mary, very old, older than the Universe, according to some narratives.

-Aiysha being 23 years old at the time of her marriage to the Prophet is a good news. All needs to be done now is to convey this finding to Islamic Republic of Iran, and have the legal age of marriage for woman raised from 9 to 23. That would be a great progress.

-Iran has about 2000 kilometer of shoreline with Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman, and at least 150 small and large ports in that body of water, not to mention the other several thousand kilometers of borders with its neighbors which has been the main route of commerce for centuries. If the Americans think by naval blockade they'll be able to control the flow of goods to Iran, they are dreaming. All it'll do is to make rich richer and poor poorer in Iran.


Faramarz, you're absolutely

by skatermom (not verified) on

you're absolutely correct on all of your points. I'm an atheist and wonder these things myself. You must understand however the context in which these laws were written in the first place and how relative it i was to the times. The laws of kosher foods and hallal foods were put in place in the middle east 2000 years ago for a reason. It's the desert there's no water or refrigeration. Pigs carry trychinosis a parasite that kills. I'm sure after a few people died things then became law. This is primitive man you're talking about. If you didn't explain to the village that god willed it they would eat it and die. This holds true for many animals deemed unkosher. Why do you think most people of middle eastern or medditereanean descent are lactose intolerant. we never developed an enzyme to deal with such things. This is why we eat yoghurt based cheeses. The age factor is a puzzling one for me. I'm just assuming that if life expectancy was 35-40 your child bearing years were limited and as soon as you had your first menses you were perhaps deemed suitable for marriage. As for circumsision again it's a hygiene no water issue. In Israel they did a study recently that showed women who were married to men who were circumsised had a lower risk of uterine, ovarian cancer and bladder infection. Think of poor old Hameed roaming the desert with an infectious winky and no way of cleaning it. I'm not advocating cutting off your foreskin now we do have showers. My gradnmother told me, allbeit over a glass of iced vodka that muslims were originally told not to drink alcohol because Mohammed had said god wanted you to be sober and in your right mind when praying. The hejab can only be explained as yet another tribal carry over. Remember the koran is an amalgamation of the torah and the bible. very little of it is original. most of this stuff is borrowed. women in all of these religions had to cover their hair. In the Corinthian 11th chapter it clearly states that a woman should cover her hair. In the koran however the only covering reference I found was that a woman should cover her breasts. Well hell in that case we should be okay walking down the streets of Qom with our hair flowing and a bra. Listen my friend none of this crap makes sense. I'm still dumbfounded when I see court houses and the 10 commandments posted in front. It's like really I'm not here because I coveted my neighbors goat. I'm here to fight a bogus red-light ticket.

Maryam Hojjat

Use your Brain!

by Maryam Hojjat on

I agree with Framarz.  There are a lot of non-sense BS in our culture which makes no sense!  We Iranians (most of us) need to learn and practice to use our brain rather than being follower some superstitions & BS.




by amirkabear4u on

If you are confused I do not blame you because since 20th century politicians being busy trying to create conflicts to make their bread. 

Many of the teachings of the major religions used to make sense; like Kosher food because maybe they needed healtyer food, Zebhe Islami is the same to stop humans consume every type of meat as too much meat is not good, Jews only marrying Jews because they are racist , sighe-ye Islami because mullahs are dirty and this is not what Islam wanted, Sharie' law to agitate westeners, muslems need to be good not necessary to follow sharie law to go to heaven, hejab because middle eastern men can not control themselves and passed the bucket to women, concept of najes basically being unclean as past people did not know germs. It is a personal choice if some Iranians do not eat pork but drink vodka. You must believe in democracy and this is part of it. Like yourself you do not research your information but just comment. Can you proof Mohammad married a 9 years old girl? Those days every woman was married by the age of 16 or so. We leave in 21st century with a lot of human right laws. I like to see you Faramaz if a 13 year old girl in a secure location shows you her pinky and you do not touch her. By the way I notice Iranian married men have more tendencies to go for very young girls. Why? So what? 


100 affarin

by maziar 58 (not verified) on

case closed.
thats exactly what I did said yesterday ;
y'all go and check your tongues !!

peace on earth



by Ali1234 (not verified) on

You geniuses!! As we speak the U.S administration is trying to impose a naval blockade on your country which will starve your people and increase the chances of war! And you are still sitting here discussing ISLAM 1400 years ago!!



No religion is perfect, includig Eslam

by Bunyip on

When one compares different religions one realizes:

- Christians have lost the true meaning of what it means to be a Christian, they change their rules to suit as they wish;

- Jews are extremely fundamentalist and possibly too much into material

- Buddhists are peaceful and believe in self growth:

- Hindus have millions of gods;

- Zoroastrian believe in truthful thoughts, truthful speech, truthful deeds;

- Eslam started as a cause against all things that bring misery to mankind, but has lost its true meaning by continuous corruption of its original intention by creating malinformation and misinformation (aka hadiths) by the thousands of greedy self appointed Emams, akhoonds, mollas etc. Promotion of mutilitaion and murder of people who do not believe IS NOT RELIGION. Promotion of segregation and humiliation of females IS NOT RELIGION.

All religions are creations out of fear. They are all cults to control insecure masses.

Consider Logic as the above post suggests.

programmer craig

and another thing...

by programmer craig on

Don't lose the original intention of the post.  It was not a discussion
of weapons.  It was about using logic to weed through bull shit;
religous political; which are in many ways one in the same. 

Right, your post was supposedly on use of logic to solve problems. I am professional computer programmer. My whole professional life is dedicated to using logic to solve problems. Your argumentation is better described as "chaotic" lol. And that is being charitable. I could go the "dishonest" route, but there is a possi bilty that you are just too uninformed (or too intellectually lazy to make yourself informed) to know how bizarre your thinking seems to somebody who is used to... logic.


programmer craig


by programmer craig on

U.S. did use weapons with depleted Uranium in BOTH Iraq wars.

Both times, weapons were used as "bunker busters". Any weapon
containing heavy Uranium, depleted or not, but U.S.s' own declaration
is nuclear.

To compare depleted uranium with the detonation of a nuclear warhead is ridiculous, and you knowit. To base your argument on such an absurd claim is "illogical" to say the least. Do you even know what the word "logic" means? It isn't a synonym for "misinformation" or "deception", you know :P



Amazing ...

by AnonymousJPN (not verified) on

It's amazing to see the amount of obscenity and vulgarity in some posts. It seems like Iranian now a days think they look smarter or may be more influential by using inappropriate words in their responses. I think it's perfectly O.K. to control tempers when replying or posting in this site by (may be) taking a deep breath or drinking some ice water in order to avoid the useless and dirty words.


No religion is perfect!

by Ali reza (not verified) on

When i compare different religions I realize Christians are too divided,Jewish are too much into material things,Buddhist are too much into trivial,Hindus have millions of gods,Zoroastrian may have worked for thousands of years ago but does not keep up with new age.No wonder there are more people converting to Islam that any other religions.Peace on Earth:)


Gandhi's wife

by Anonymous-haha (not verified) on

was 12 when he married her and this happened in 1920s.

Mary,the mother of Jesus gave birth to him when she was 12.


Some facts for programmer Craig

by Faramarz_Fateh on

U.S. did use weapons with depleted Uranium in BOTH Iraq wars.

Both times, weapons were used as "bunker busters". Any weapon containing heavy Uranium, depleted or not, but U.S.s' own declaration is nuclear.

Please do 30 minutes of research, even here on the internet; you'll see factual convergance.

Don't lose the original intention of the post.  It was not a discussion of weapons.  It was about using logic to weed through bull shit; religous political; which are in many ways one in the same. 




demonize Islam

by Iva (not verified) on

Does anyone really needs to spend energy to "demonize Islam"??!!

Read the the holy book ... it is full of orders to KILL, MAIM, BEAT ... by its orders men and women are segrated which is very unnatural ... women are equalled next to a camel or two .. etc. etc. if islamic doctrine was not created by demon itself, I am not sure what is.



by maziar 58 (not verified) on

that's the logic!!(yours of course)
forget about IRAQ focus on Iran & the Iranians' future that may or may not sit in the hands of american voters by Nov 2008 election.
Dariush khan that's the real Question,But hope NOT.




by Internets on

You surely took a major, long winded and unnecessary detour, just to highlight some cases of hypocrisy!!!. Remember, "what's good for the goose, is not good for the gander"!.

programmer craig


by programmer craig on

i think its high time some of us (not all, but maybe 2 out of 3) start using this concept called logic. 

I agree, but use of logic requires a precise and objective examination of known facts. Your statement that the US used nuclear weapons in Iraq during the two wars is factually incorrect, so how valid will your conclusions be?

Also, it was illogical to dillute your premise (religion = strange) by bringing unrelated current events into the equation. That serves as nothing but an unnecessary distraction. Proper use of logic requires a great deal of focus - more than most people are capable of without imposing a lot of self-discipline on themselves, which is why people don't tend to behave logically.


Aisha's AGE

by dariushabadi on

The Hadith that claims Aisha was 9 years old is not even considered a valid hadith in Islam, it is batil due to the text being contradictory to historic events that happened in that era.


On top of that, the hadith says that Aisha was 6 years old at the time of the actual marriage, but it makes no sense because Abu Bakr (her father) went to the Prophet (S) and begged him to marry her saying "No one else is willing to marry my daughter"


Why would a rich affluent man like Abu Bakr have problem marrying off a girl at the age of 6? According to mutawatir (strong chain of narrators) Hadith, Aisha was 23 years old not 9.


Especially since she talks about living in the pre-Islamic period, and didn't get married until the Medina period which was at least 15 years later. How could she get married 15 years after the Jahilyya period that she witnessed, and yet be 9 when she got married!!!


Why is their such a hadith then that she was 9 years old?

Because during the Abbasid period their was a fight between Sunnis and Shias on who is more credible to narrate hadith....Aisha or Ali.....and since Ali was 9 years old when he accepted Islam and entered the Prophet's house at 6.....guess what they did to Aisha's age.


They matched it up to Ali's age, to say she was JUST as credible as Ali to narrate hadith.


The age of Aisha was a political manupilation to give credence to Sunnis, her age according to the grand muftis of Sunni Islam and Shi'a scholars is 23.

But for some reason after you guys see the truth of a matter, you continue to fight, because you yourselves HAVE AN AGENDA....this isn't about academics with you guys, its about power and hatred toward Islam /Islamic Republic of Iran.


So admit either you were wrong when you looked at that BATIL hadith about Ayesha (for you did not read the tafsir of Bukhari where he mentions it is a fake hadith and he puts it in to show why people were faking such hadith).....or admit that you are just trying to demonize Islam for your own agendas.