Musings of a former chicken

Moosirvapiaz

The principal obstacle to the establishment of democracy in Iran is the garbage IRI. Or do you think that it's the US and Israel?

"Time for a regular democracy in Iran is right now. "

I also want the sky to rain baghala polo. Sadly it aint gonna happen.

classic führer logic ;)

'Democracy through airtight sanctions'

A shitty leaf out of Mien führer's book.  After importing democracy with genocidal 12 year sanctions followed by invasion and bloody occupation of Iraq, führer will rejoice in his grave once again that his disciples are hard at work  ogh 

Sheer historical ignorance

Mien Führer, the problem with the out of power faction of the Islamist Rapists and their clueless supporters are many, some of it based on what you’ve tried to convey here stems from sheer historical ignorance.

The current struggle for the rule of law, that is what it boils down to, is over a century old in Iran.

No mien Führer this kicking the freedom can down the road tactic of Islamist Rapists and their clueless supporters is not only illogical it is insulting to the brave Iranian nation.

The out of power faction of the Islamist Rapists need to knock that chip off their shoulders, put down charlatan Ali Shariati’s nonsensical how to be good Islamist Rapist handbooks and do something about their myopic view of Iranian nation.

Time for a regular democracy in Iran is right now.

Progress, IRI style

So after killing off or driving into exile all non-Khomeinist political groupings--left, right, and center--the IRI is not executing as many people now, and this is considered proof of the regime's reformability? And the ostensible reform leader is none other than the prime minister during the most violent decade in Iranian history. These are the reformists? Oh, dear. IRI is still one of the leading executioners in both absolute and per capita terms. Maybe in 300 years, it will reduce the number of prescribed lashings for premarital sex by one-third in a great gesture of reform. In the meantime, the exiles should get out of the way and concentrate on beloved Palestine.

Fraud

freedom is not free and not something you can achieve overnight by airtight sanctioning the regime or dropping bombs on them.

there are costs to achieving democratic rights, of course you sitting in your comfortable chair in telaviv would not get it.

your way, Fred, is going to empower the regime, my way is the surest way to achieve full lasting democracy. but of course to an impatient israeli sympathizer such as yourself is just too damn long a wait.

Mein Früd

My Eidi for you this year is some tight stuff to please your eyes:

//iranian.com/Anyway/2004/December/Images...

When we'll get our democracy without your fascist tight-tight solutions, I'll send you some peanuts to ease your ulcer.

it is pretty damn realistic if you think about it in long term

and beyond your own age threshold for one because democracy is not something you and i might witness in our lifetime.

think about how far we have come, from the 79 revolution to today. I will give you one example of how the society has changed despite all your negativity on how IR is unchangeable. executions in the 80s were a pretty common thing and despite the thousands of executions and front page stories the society at the time was pretty damn indifferent to it all. compare those years with now... every single political execution is met with public/civil activists outrage to a point where political executions in recent years have decreased.

a society as alive as iran regardless of how cruel the dictatorship is will ultimately force the dictators to bow to public pressure. it only takes time and effective activism. of course there are spoilers like Fred and neocons, and our very own hardliners inside Iran who have the potential within them to extend the lifeline of dictators.

Mien Führer

Mien Führer, anyone who is bold enough to say:

”(through years, decades of civil activism) is the surest and safest way to achieve long lasting democracy in Iran.”

Such person has got to be delusional, suffering from amnesia or reckless with the lives of Iranian men, woman and children who are being raped, tortured and murdered on nearly hourly basis 24/7.

It is easy to be safe and sound outside the reach of Islamist rapists and talk about the Rapists’ Constitution.

BTW you and the other Islamist Rapist supporters need to do something about Article 110 of your Constitution if you want to have a democracy in year 2099.

Not realistic at all

What kind of pressure is it if the regime's oil money keeps flowing in? You think it's possible to use moral persuasion against Islamist animals, especially those of the Khomeinist variety? Good luck with that one. In my opinion, Just accept the IRI in all it's glory and be done with it.

Fraud

I never said making IR a democracy is realistic. My position has always been campaign of pressure through civil activism to gradually transition to a democracy (through years, decades of civil activism) is the surest and safest way to achieve long lasting democracy in Iran. And not your type of Iraq-style nation building (by first waging airtight sanctions to cripple the civil society and then military actions to top it off), Fred.

Again you are misinforming the public about my position Fred. I am not a supporter of this regime not am I an islamist.

Mien Führer

Mien Führer I quoted Lady Ebadi verbatim, you have a beef take it up with her. Then again Islamists don’t like facts do you?

ps.

Mien Führer when it comes to you Islamist Rapist supporting crowd calling for overthrow of your regime is unrealistic but making it a democracy is. If nothing else you guys are just hilariously funny.

AMIR1973

democracy within the IRI constitution is not the end goal, its strategy to reach the end goal. and its a pragmatic position to take and something that is more realistic than calling for the end of the regime.

The IRI constitution allows many things that could get us slowly but surely to where we want. asleh bisto haft is one of them.

right back at you fred

but of course you really would not care if you are misinformed. You are here to do a job, to spread a talking point. to misinform and shape perceptions on the iranian.com community.

Moosirvapiaz

So democracy within the IRI constitution is realistic? Oh, really?

Keep on misinforming yourself

Again mien Führer you can and should try to paint the truth the way which makes you feel good. That is all which is left for the Islamist Rapists and their clueless supporters. But do not expect it to rub on the reality.

Keep on misinforming yourself; you are doing an excellent job of it.

Again no contradictions

Guards have bank accounts, specific bank accounts of key guards and officials can be frozen without harming the populace. And not everything is controlled by the guards... yet. (your suggestions of airtight sanctions will lead to them bringing everything under their full control however).

As for her call for democracy within the context of the current constitution, well its a tactic practiced by those who have realistic expectations not delusions and unrealistic expectations carried forth by people like Fred.

Do those who advocate democracy within the context... want a free society ultimately? you bet. It's the difference between armchair exiled activists who passively fight the regime with their keystrokes, idealist worldview and those who actively engage and confront the powers in Iran regardless of the difficulties and sometimes impossibilities. its a contrast between the forgotten and the heroes of the future iranian text books.

Mien Führer devil is in the details

Well mien Führer again what you say about what she says is not true, you might wish it to be but it ain’t.

She backs economic sanctions against the Islamist Rapist Guards; the Guards own Iran’s economy, go ahead and connect the dots you can do it.

She also warns EU about an unnamed official of the IRR who is about to come to Germany to sign a major trade deal.  And there are many other inconsistencies, not to say the least her call for “democracy within the context of the current Constitution”.

Mien Führer it is easy to play the populist card but the devil is in the details.  

She is against any sanctions that harms the population

there is no contradiction there. freezing the guards assets, political sanctions (if implemented effectively) are okay in my book and hers too I suspect.

Yeap, just about every one is clueless but our belove it Fred

The clueless would compromise of vast majority of Iranians in and outside of Iran if not all, most politicians and scholars inside and outside Iran, those who have fought the regime and have put their lives on the line like Miss Ebadi and countless others are totally clueless about Iran and the affect of sanction on ordinary Iranians. But our Fred with all his wisdom knows best what is good for Iran and Iranians. This is mainly because he lives in Iran, participate in every anti government demonstration, leads a large rally and has many followers.

Mehrdad

Mien Führer

Mien Führer if you had given your usual blind support of the Islamist Rapists a break and read what Lady Ebadi had said you would have seen she is ok with sanctioning the Islamist Rapist Guards.

One of my points was given the Rapist Guards own Iran’s economy her position is rather contradictory when she says she is against economic sanctions. But then again mien Führer does not do logic.  Keep it up.     

petition

Fred needs to spearhead a petition to strip Dr. Ebadi from her Nobel prize. How dare she oppose starvation and war on people of Iran?

-YT 

Fred hates Ebadi cuz she is against sanctions on iran for israel

... the airtight kind as Fred loves so much.

Cluelesslesslessless Mein Früd

For the pleasure of us all, please continue your pouncing. We promise to pounce on it too.

Pounce on

The pouncing of the cluelesses, keep it up.  

She means well but...........

Areh Mein Früd jan,

* Economic sanctions against people -> no Good

* Diplomatic sanctions against IRI servants and il-legitimatizing the regime -> Good.

Inkeh Inghadar sakht nist to nemifahmi !!

Fred Phonics: Learning to understand Fred

yaba daba doo.

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The Flintstones Meet Rockula and Frankenstone (1979) (TV)

Fred Flintstone looking over the edge of the balcony (=abyss): I can't see the bottom with all this mist. Hey Barney (=Iranian people), want to jump down and see how far it is?

Congratulations! You're closer to hitting rock bottom

Constitutions are meaningless. Ask your Israeli compatriots. 

Shirin Ebadi will be president of Iran one day. You will not. Live with this idea.

Hugs,

marge 

Ayatollah Ebadi

Is living on another planet! 

//observingiran.blogspot.com/

Independence, Freedom, Iranian Republic

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