Musings of a former chicken

Mr. Fred

If I may interject in the rave and rants by you and civil debates by Mr. Mammad and Mr. kharmagas.

You stated[Ok Islamist truth crusader start by providing evidence in the form of direct quote showing what you constantly claim I, Fred, am “advocating war”, “destruction” and the rest.]

You are correct sir, you  perhaps never have advocated direct and total war with Iran. This is not to say that you are a Iran lover, but it is obvious that YOU and your new padoo Ms. Arezu here are more in favor of  slow and agonizing death for Iranian women and children through AIR TIGHT SANCTIONS than aerial bombardment by American and Israeli war planes.

War bad, it kills quickly, SANCTIONS on the other hand good, it kills slowly. Mage na agho Fred? Too bad these people do not understand you, and can not see how much of a Iran lover you are.

I am puzzled why  Mr.'s Mammad, kharmagas and rest of the people who oppose your humanitarian and Iran loving agenda!!! fail to see.

Mr.'s Mammad and kharmagas, do you gentlemen get the picture of how much Mr. Fred loves Iran and Iranians?  

-YT 

Nousha - don't embarras yourself dear!

You are wondering whether there is a library in Qom?!  Perhaps not!  But I am more interested in the library YOU are using and remember I asked you for sources and evidence, not for bullocks :)  It certainly is not your job to educate me!  You are evidently banging that skull against the wall of that secret library!  Funny they've got a dumb apprentice again ;) At least Fred can serve tea at AIPAC meetings! loooooooooooool

Funny Haji

Ok Doc, I got it, you are an Islamist truth crusader who also does some nuke truth telling.

Ok Islamist truth crusader start by your own crux statement which you fail to use verbatim in your everyday Islamist nuke lobbying, which you claim is for peaceful use.

“The crux of the issue about Iran's nuclear program is, in my opinion, as follows: If Iran has the ability to make the bomb on a short notice, it becomes unattackable. That is not something that the US and Israel can tolerate. They want to be the hegemone of the Middle East.”

Ok Islamist truth crusader start by providing evidence in the form of direct quote showing what you constantly claim I, Fred, am “advocating war”, “destruction” and the rest.

Despite the typical Islamist loutish pejoratives you use to describe my person and not to debunk my opinions, unless you prove those warmongering  claims of yours I am afraid you are simply a sack of Islamist liar.  

BTW, for an Islamist truth crusader you also do a bang up job in contextualizing and   justifying your brethrens’ crimes where you say:

“Yes, the regime has raped. Yes, storming the embassy, WHEN LOOKED AT WITH THE PRESENT HINDSIGHT, was wrong (although it must be looked at in the context of its time, and although the intention of the student leaders was not to drag that on.” the capitalization is your own.

So the hostage taking of American diplomats, which you call "storming the embassy"  was sort of understandable within the context of the time and is only wrong in hindsight?”

So your Islamist hostage taking brethrens didn’t mean to drag it on and only meant to take them hostage for a while? Does that take away from the severity of their crime?

Is that what you are saying or my poor reading skill is failing me? Why not understanding all the raping your Islamist brethrens have done and still do within the context too?

For an Islamist truth crusader you are hilariously funny Haji!

Fozol Bashi

Fozul Bashi -- if I have to educate you on just HOW MUCH external support the revolutionaries received in 1979, well, I'm sorry, but that's not my job. Don't you have a library in Qom? Start with the name Ebrahim Yazdi, "Mr. Green Card." That will lead you in the right direction.

Here is a list of countries that you can look up, which significantly aided Khomeini's revolution:

UK, East Germany, Soviet Union, France, Cuba, Libya, the Palestinians, and of course, the USA, etc. Go read your history, dear. It's not my job to educate you.  

LONG LIVE THE GLORY OF KUROSH 

Kharmagas

Let them bark with their racist rants. Anyone who thinks that Islam is finished in Iran, or will be soon, does not know what he/she is talking about.

Yes, I miss the same things as you do in Esfahan, Shiraz, Kerman, Ardabil, Tabriz, Mashhad, Kermanshah, Yazd,..... From Takht-e Jamshid to Aali Ghaapoo. From Emam Reza Shrine to Arg-e Tabriz, and the grave of Sheikh Saffi-eddin Ardabili. From Caspian sea to the Persian Gulf, everything about Iran throughout its 4000 years of history.

Mammad

Freddo, learn to read!

As I said, you cannot read (that is the least of your problems though!). Because if you could, you would not ask the question, why I bother with you.

Anytime I comment on anything you write, you comeback with no response whatsoever to my comments, but with the behavior of a low-life that has nothing to say, has nothing to contribute to a debate. You expect people to go along with your nonsense, or else!

In my opinion, your only goal here is poisoning the atmosphere, spreading hatred, advocating war, sanctions, and destruction. You can and should do it, of course. These are your opinion (you are not capable of developing any better opinion!) and you have every right to express your opinion. But, you express your opinion by lying, exaggerating, fabricating, and simply spreading nonsense. So, it is your lies, exaggerations, and fabrications that I respond to, not you Freddo.

Mammad

Eslam zodai (to Mammad)

Mammad; Nousha, Samsam, Imani ,... can apply all their energy to EslAm zodAee,...., but next time I visit Iran (just like the last time a few years ago) one of the first things I'll do, will be going to bAzAr (Esfahan) visiting the Masjeds, sitting on those pavements, smelling the walls, ...., and I will not exchange that with visiting anything anywhere else..... although I am not a Muslem.

Well-rounded Haji & the imbecile

Haji nuke lobbyist in part says:

“As I have said many times, you have difficulty reading! It is not surprising, though. Your type always divides the world into two parts, one for you and your type, and one for the rest. In your part, you can lie with straight face, exaggerate, etc., and even when you are caught, you repeat the same nonsense. It is part of you proving your "manhood!' That is not surprising either, because it is part of the territory of imbecility in which you rule!”

Ok Haji I already know that you are a self proclaimed “world renowned scientist”, know the minutia of the Islamist rapist Republic’s nuclear file, per your own statements your articles are published in all the important papers and the rest of your many qualifications which you constantly brandish.

On the other hand per your above statement/diagnosis which is a milder version of your previous diagnosis, yours truly is not only an “imbecile” with “manhood” issue, mypoic, constantly lies and has “difficulty reading”.

So let me see, you are a repository of knowledge and me a know nothing imbecile, fine, I have no problem with that, those are the cards life has dealt. Just a parting question/curiosity, why do you bother with such a nothing of a person? Surely there must be if not millions at least few hundred thousand unfortunates like me on the net, what is it about this imbecile that strikes your fancy?

Could it be that I along with possibly many others got your number and you can’t stand it?

BTW, when your Islamist Rapist Republic does all the nutty things like raping men, women and children for the crime of demonstrating, it is not too far-fetched to think of the worst it might do with a nuke bomb. And per your own crux statement that is the crux of it all, the bomb. So excuse this imbecile for not believing you and all your demagogic half baked Islamist logic, with Islamists one has to err on the side of super extra caution.

Your crux statement:

“The crux of the issue about Iran's nuclear program is, in my opinion, as follows: If Iran has the ability to make the bomb on a short notice, it becomes unattackable. That is not something that the US and Israel can tolerate. They want to be the hegemone of the Middle East.”

Kharmagas

You do have a point. I agree. I should be more cautious. Things are worse than I thought!

Regading Nousha: If I remember it correctly, she/he said that I am not a true Iranian if I am proud of Iran's history AFTER Islam (I had said I am proud of both parts). I suppose that also includes the Pahlavies that he/she is so proud of! The black revolution of 1979 was much whiter than the so-called white revolution of the Shah that eventually led to the 1979 revolution.

Debating with such people is worthless. They live in a separate universe, completely disconnected from reality!

Mammad

KouroshS

Even the craziest IRI elements want to survive. They know full well that any stupidity on their part regarding Israel and the U.S. (I am talking about nuc) will mean evaporation of Iran. Israel has at least 200 nuclear warheads, and any foolish attack on Israel will mean a devastating counterattack.

This is why Ehud Barack, Tzipi Livni, and Ehud Olmert all said confidently that Iran is not existrential danger to Israel. The issue is not that. The issue is that Israel does not want to lose monopoly in the ME and wants to be able to dictate its will. This attitude existed when the Shah was in power, and will exist beyond the IRI, when people will get rid of it one way or another.

Mammad

Freddo, you cannot read!

As I have said many times, you have difficulty reading! It is not surprising, though. Your type always divides the world into two parts, one for you and your type, and one for the rest. In your part, you can lie with straight face, exaggerate, etc., and even when you are caught, you repeat the same nonsense. It is part of you proving your "manhood!' That is not surprising either, because it is part of the territory of imbecility in which you rule!

I said, "I do not believe..." and then said even Israelis and neocons do not repeat what you say. This means, while I have my own belief, seeing your nonsense through does not depend on it, because others - especially of your type - do not say your nonsense.

As I said, Iran's nuclear program can legitimately be criticized for several aspects, but lying and exaggerating about it do not cut it. You do not criticize and attack it based on legitimate arguments, simply because, (1) you are not equipped with the required knowledge to do so, and (2) even if you did have the knowledge, you are not interested in it, because your goal is not to inform and learn, rather spreading hatred, poisoning the atmosphere, fearmongering, and advocating war. If I ever develop doubts about existence of God, all I need to do as my reaon is remembering you and your existence! 

Mammad

KouroshS - Nuclear Free Middle East

A Nuclear Free Middle East, pressing Israel to join the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and opening up its facilities to inspection, is a realistic approach to guard us against the goons and murderers of both Israel and of Iran ....

How Israel Fabricated Iran Nuclear Document !

//original.antiwar.com/porter/2009/06/03/repo...

Excerpts:

A report on Iran’s nuclear program issued by the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee last month generated news stories publicizing an
incendiary charge that U.S. intelligence is underestimating Iran’s
progress in designing a "nuclear warhead" before the halt in nuclear
weapons-related research in 2003.

That false and misleading charge from an intelligence official of a
foreign country, who was not identified but was clearly Israeli,
reinforces two of Israel’s key propaganda themes on Iran – that the
2007 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate on Iran is wrong, and that
Tehran is poised to build nuclear weapons as soon as possible.

.....

But it also provides new evidence that Israeli intelligence was the
source of the collection of intelligence documents which have been used
to accuse Iran of hiding nuclear weapons research.

The "alleged studies" collection of documents has never been verified
as genuine by either the IAEA or by intelligence analysts. The Senate
report said senior United Nations officials and foreign intelligence
officials who had seen "many of the documents" in the collection of
alleged Iranian military documents had told committee staff "it is
impossible to rule out an elaborate intelligence ruse."

End Excerpts

-YT 

Fozul bashi

Scorching innocent people with anything basically equals mass executing ten's of thousands of essentially innocent civilians who have been imprisoned based on their ideology. I think we have just established the fact that IRI goons are equally criminal as their ISraeli counterpart and can actually do crazy, off-the-wall things!

KouroshS - about those who beat the hell ...

out of innocent youngsters ... "Do you think they seriously are not capable of anythingmore vicious and sadistic than that?" .  I believe you are right sir, they are and I take that warning seriously.  In the same vein, I take very seriously the warning from those who scorch innocent people with phosphorous bombs and do POSSESS stockpiles of nukes ..  

DR. Mammad

You are speaking of exaggerations,. But with all due respect my friend., Your statement That even Some of the "craziest elements" of the IRI regime are not stupid enough to start a nuclear war (paraphrasing big time here) seems to be an exaggeration all on its own.

Despite The personal issues that might be going on between you and Fred and all others, I think the man has something to say and what he says needs to be taken seriously.It is something that needs to be kept in the back of everyone's mind.

 After all It is the same IRI elements that are beating the you know what out of Our innocent Youngsters. Do you think they seriously are not capable of anythingmore vicious and sadistic than that?

P.S. You and I sir, may have a mutual friend:)

Nousha - enlighten me ;0

"Do you actually think the black revolution of 1979 was won without outside support? Hardly".  

Nousha Khanom?

Although I have minimal amount of doubt that you are not a warmonger ... I have been curious to know what/who is your alternative. If I am not mistaken you are one of those "radical" monarchists, like the ones in Rob Sobhani's (AIPAC) camp. Is that about right?

I disagree Mammad!

Mammad says: "I have never known any blogger who lies as much as Fred does with
straight face. Who propagates nonsense as much as he does. Who
exaggerates as much as he does."

Mammad, for the third time I disagree with you (*), Mr. FK and even some of the "radical" Sazegaraist "greens" do lie and exaggerate more than Fred!

(*) Although technically I can't disagree with you since you say "I have never known ...".  You don't state it like a fact.

Nousha

You are very arrogant and completely out of line. I have kept to minimal exchange with you, first because I can't read or pronounce your name and also because a couple of them that you have addressed to me, proved to be slanderous and a waste of my time.

Finally it looks like Zion who was fired for not being able to write more than one paragraph at a time has been replaced with someone with a tad more education.

I hope the compensation is worth all the endless pecking on the keyboard...

IRANdokht

the indecisive Haji

The Islamist Rapist Republic’s nuke lobbyist in part had said:

  “Where is the evidence that, even if the IRI develops a nuclear bomb, it will start a "devastating war?" I do not believe that even the craziest elements of the IRI would do that, unless Iran is attacked first.”  

To which I had responded:

“Forgive me to not trust the well being of millions of Iranians and others on what one charlatan Shariati enamored Islamist nuke lover “believes”. After all you Islamists are congenital liars, whatever you say or write is highly suspect especially what you “believe”. Khodeti Haji.”

  Now the Haji nuke in a new posting in part says:

“It is not a matter of me believing something. It is that your nonsense is not even believed by Israelis themselves, for whom you are a frontman.”

  To which I say, make up your mind Haji, first you say something based solely on what you “believe” now you are discounting that and basing it on other factors.

The Islamists are just hilariously funny.

Same old, same old,...

Notice how Fred the expert has no response. His response is badmouthing, repeat the same nonsense, repeat the same propaganda for war, and repeat the same nonsense against anybody that does not agree with him.

It is not a matter of me believing something. It is that your nonsense is not even believed by Israelis themselves, for whom you are a frontman. It is that even neocons do not believe and do not claim your outlandish nonsense.

Fred has no shame. He has no shame repeating the same lies. He always starts with a statement that most reasonable people agree on to give the "blog" (read nonsense propaganda) "legitimacy," and then rehashes the same lies, the same exaggerations.

I have never known any blogger who lies as much as Fred does with straight face. Who propagates nonsense as much as he does. Who exaggerates as much as he does. And, who posts so much nonsense as much as he does.

Mammad

Bijan AM, Fred, and massoudA

WELL SAID!!! I'm proud of you all for your sheer existence in the face of so much shameless hypocracy!

But please, why do you engage the likes of Irandokht? She would rather the IRI remain in power for a 1,000 years, notwhithstanding torture, rape and murder of countless generations of Iranians, so long as the US does not lend a single hand to our liberation. Their blind hatred of America is the reason they adore the America-hating IRI.

That's because there are a lot of IRI phonies on this site who know that there will ne NO revolution whatsoever in Iran without outside support! Do you actually think the black revolution of 1979 was won without outside support?

Hardly. 

LONG LIVE THE GLORY OF KUROSH 

KouroshS

"Don't you get that condescending tone with me girl."

LOL you're soooo sensitive. I wasn't even trying :P

Islamic Republic Facist

Islamic Republic Facist Basij Forces Shooting People at Point Blank Range in Tehran Streets Today

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpwR2Qv0PAo

Enigmatic

I doubt that there can be anyone out there who can truly disagree with what fred has to say. Supposedly we all here agree that the mullahs are a bunch of criminals and they must go, The problem however is that, some want this leaving and exodus to take place at its own pace, meaning that there will be more arrests, more rapes, more show trials and quite possibly more killings and executions.

If anyone has been paying close attention it should be so obvious that nothing has really changed. People in iran as brave-hearted and Jasoor as they are , They are still following the same strategies and are still facing the same damn brutal and uncivilized tactics, the only new development is that this time the leaders are getting beaten up and assaulted, and there is a looming danger for them being Locked up for a long time.

How many years Do you think it will be before we can see some meaninful results and REAL Changes? Is there anyone out there who can actually deny that despite all these external and internal pressures, The level of Oppression and suppression has doubled?

We don't need cheerleaders on the side lines cheering the young people to get out on the streets and get beaten up. We need something a solution that works and works Fast.

HollyUSA

Start with me? Zereshk.  

 You are so funny. Did you know that?

Don't you get that condescending tone with me girl.

That's great!

Thank you for explaining what "Help" means to you. Apparently both Bijan and Masoud want to hit the Sepah financially. That is a wonderful idea, so why are you agreeing and cheering Fred on?  Fred is advocating for harsh sanctions. It's quite evident that the tougher the sanctions, the more money will be gained by Sepah! They control all the imports and the big finances of the country. Who pays more for the necessities when the sanctions are tougher? the people! not the Sepah! So Fred's way is going to hurt people and empower the Sepah.

Before you jump in here and agree with Fred unconditionally, accusing others to be IRI supporters because they do not agree with him, please consider what he's saying. 

Thank you

IRANdokht

KouroshS

Sorry dude. Too tired to start with you so grab a lollipop until further notice please :P

Irandokht

Fair question -  but let me start by asking: Do you see the desperate state people like me, Fred, Bijan,..... are in, looking for a solutions?   and do you see the calm and lenient attitude that others seem to enjoy?   If you were as desprate as some of us are - then you would be asking the same question from yourself long time ago. 

What kind of support am I looking for?   where do I start?  First let me tell you - George Bush took a big step by putting Sepah on the list of international terrorists.  That did not hurt the population did it?   Next - how about bringing the ax down on all Sepah financial activities globaly - I knoo Bush started it but Obama appears to have plans to ease them.... Do you see where I am going with that?   What else - how about for Euros not giving the mullahs any more advanced telecom support to track down cels?  or how about not giving the mullahs any more equipment and arms to fight demonstrators?   There are many ways the west can help Iran to oust the mullahs - just as they helped the mullahs oust the Shah. 

Finally - to those who think Iraq and Afghanistan were better under Saddam and Ttaliban - I ask: Do you think Iraq and Afghanistan would have had any issues if IRR was not in the picture?  How come fghanistan had no issues with ISlamic extemism, or Iraq with Shiite vs. Sunni, prior to IRR ?