Musings of a former chicken

I agree with you Fred

The Green movement has no chance.

Are we watching the same news closet-war activist Fred?

Last time I checked, most of said activists were inside prisons, being tortured, raped. islamist Mousavi's own nephew was murdered. And lets not forget most of them were religious (or as you say, islamist!!!). And here is islamist Jalaee pour after his release earlier today being greeted by other incompetent islamist: //www.rahesabz.net/story/21710/

I would argue that its because of brutality of the regime and the helping hand from closet pro-war activists like you Fred, and the israel lobby that the green movement has gone underground, or depressed. you people beating the war drums are not going to help the cause of democracy in iran. you are prolonging the regime.

Mien Führer

“I would argue that its because of brutality of the regime and the helping hand from closet pro-war activists like you Fred, and the israel lobby that the green movement has gone underground, or depressed. you people beating the war drums are not going to help the cause of democracy in iran. you are prolonging the regime. “

1- Prove your “you people beating the war drums” charge with citing my exact word or you are nothing but a sack of Islamist liar.

2-You can “argue” your point about your Islamist Green fizzling out due to in part “activist like you Fred” nonsense until you are blue in the face.

3- You can fool some of the people some of the time, you Islamist Rapist supporters residing in the free world are at the, you can’t fool all the people all the time phase.

ps.whereas Muslims are followers of an Abrahamic religion; Islamists like you are rabid followers of a virulent political ideology bent on “managing the world”.

So you tried to slip that in but you know you should not skip class for simply because, you are too green.

Are we watching the same news closet-war activist Fred?

Last time I checked, most of said activists were inside prisons, being tortured, raped. islamist Mousavi's own nephew was murdered. And lets not forget most of them were religious (or as you say, islamist!!!).

I would argue that its because of brutality of the regime and the helping hand from closet pro-war activists like you Fred, and the israel lobby that the green movement has gone underground, or depressed. you people beating the war drums are not going to help the cause of democracy in iran. you are prolonging the regime.

MRX1

Are we talking about the same “drugged up” youth who not that long ago went Iranian on the barbaric Islamist Rapists?

There is an unexplainable something about Iran which time and again it has proveen its existence.  In the depth of national despair ordinary Iranians take charge and create history.

Prudence and experience dictate not to sell Iran and her children short.

Fred and MRX1

No Consensus? When those that become tired of being without the freedom's allowed others they'll rise up. Is there no leader at all to reinforce this talk of rebellion? That's the first step. "stoned youth" were the force that started the Civil right's movement, stoned kids caused huge changes to US policy in a time when all the "rest" of the people just needed to be "woken up" 

Hmmmmm

Fred you are right

but you have to realize the vast majority of the youth in Iran are so drugged up and so concern about superficial stuff, that you will have a tough time recruiting some brave one's to take a deadly risks for some thing novel like freedom and so on. 

Also having a lamo community organizer as a president who kisses ass of islamists ona daily basis doesn't helpfreedom cause.

cyclicforward

“What do you suggest the next action must be? It is not helpful to just get stuck in the past.”

I say it all the time, airtight sanctions, openly calling for regime change by Iranians for Iran & Iranians.

 Thanks to thirty years of IRR, Iran is on a path to biblical destruction, the sooner she sees the back of Islamist Rapists, "reformist" and all, the sooner reconstruction can begin. By murdering all the key opposition leaders IRR has left no available alternative waiting in the wing. It has to bubble up after their overthrow.

Just imagine if those Germans, and there were quite a few of them,  who were trying to overthrow the Nazis at the height of their power were successful what a service it would have been to Germany, Germans and humanity at large. Take care.

Something interesting.

It seems that Khamenei has expressed a desire to speak with the west over this nuke thing if Iran and the west can come to terms about sanctions.

Imagine for a second that it actually happens and in the end the IRI manages to be in good graces with the UN and the US. I suspect that the inclination for other governments to assist in the changing of this regime would dwindle. It has been said that the regime will not change and would most probably continue with it's human right's violations against it's people.

With that in mind wouldn't it be best to over throwthese guys before they figure out that if they play nice on the world stage there will be less scrutiny of their actions within Iran?  

Hmmmmm

Why would anyone have the sawstika

as his/her avatar is beyond me. What is this person trying to portray, that he/she is a racist intolerant biggot who supports mass murder of innocent people?

Is there any wonder our motherland is so screwed up? 

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IRAN FIRST

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Fred,

We all know that the greens failed misreably when we all started to hear the crap about Imam path. It is done, it is over and now let's move on.

What do you suggest the next action must be? It is not helpful to just get stuck in the past.

How important is it?

The comments about the failure of the green movemnt, it's lack of organization. Was it only a knee jerk reaction to a sham of an election? I Was thilled to hear about the civil unrest and protetsts, it was like a new country being born, or reborn if you like. Then it fizzled.

Like MRX1 say's to make it actually happen it will likely be bloody, history shows us that. To look back at the US and see how it started, or South Africa there are others too but it took fantastic leadership and planning in the dark rooms behind shops then an uprising.

Of course the overwhelming issue is how to get support abroad and from within, from who? Who can be trusted? Speak to the wrong person asking for support and you could be murdered fro treason.

A revolt or uprising is expensive in dollars and blood. Given the proper leader there are probably plenty of countries that would support such an effort, but those that revolt have to be in it to win, regardless of the cost. 

Hmmmmm

Fred, maybe it was all planned

we know the competence of any Islamic "anything" is near zero if not below it.  So maybe this was all planned by the likes of the mini-me cock roach Moussavi just to let people vent some steam, such that the engine of the IRI killing machine can still continue to plow forward.  This regime is un-changeable, non-peaceful, non-reformable and the only way to be rid of it is by surgical bombing campaigns.  Hit them upside the head with the only language they have ever understood.  Islam can not be reformed and it must be sidelined at ALL costs, even that of the cost of perishing 200k+ of basij and pasdars. 

Fabian aka Fred

Unconsciously, you've chosen a SS avatar to represent what you really are! BTW you should do better than just a "stay tuned" to self-acclaim your prose: your Fabian_ID can for example write "Bah bah oostad Fred you're morvellous; I've never read such a meaningful blog since my 5 hours and andi minutes of existence!"

Never had a chance

It never had a chance to begin with. A movement without plan and leadership or worst having low life's like Mousavi and Karoubi pretending or acting as it leaders trying to pursue restless masses to some how function under this system. Bottom line: Khomeini's regime came with blood and it has to leave with blood.

agreed

i was on the streets last summer and the leaders of the greens are a total joke.  they have no plan, no clue, just say we are on imams path.

that turn off the youth when we hear come into the streets so we can follow imams path.  no thanks you.

I agree with you Fred

You are right.