"Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth"

Niloufar,thanks for explaining but Captain was not courageous

Niloufar jan, thanks for explaining your point by writing:"... meant that he was directly addressing some very contentious issues, and one of very few men who dared to do it on this particular blog".

 What I did not like in Captain's comment was that he sensationalized Souri's comment on Bajenagh's blog and made it look worse than it was.  It would have been truly courageous if Captain had admitted that both sides had written confrontational comments.  So no, this is not courageous in my book.

Anahid jan

sorry that was not meant as it being courageous because it was directed to you. i meant that he was directly addressing some very contentious issues, and one of very few men who dared to do it on this particular blog. i distinguished it from his message to souri precisely because i too didn't like his message to her, but there was obviously a personal issue between them. hope that explains? 

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Re. 'Courage'

I wanted to comment on his comment as well as NP's before but I figured I'd stay out of it since no indication of being truly sorry has yet been seen from Ayhab. But now that it is an open topic, I will say what is on my mind.

In my view there is nothing courageous about it at all. Quite the contrary in fact. He still continues to attack Souri allbeit in what is becoming a more a 'sissat madaraneh' (AKA dishonest) manner.  What's equally bad is trying to disguise RW's comment that caused the upset as the 'women and cheeses...' comment whereas that isn't what it was at all.

Taking responsibility, facing the truth, not hiding behind meaningless and false arguments would be a good start at showing courage. But I fear this is a case of 'man migam nareh, toe migi bedoosh'.

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I don't think...

I don't think 'Off Topic' flagging would cut it SK. They are 'clever' enough (for the lack of a better word) to stay 'on topic' and include their personal jabs under that guise. Unfortunately I don't see a practical way to deal with these characters. Even if the site went as far as kicking the characters out (and I'm not yet convinced the site is so inclined) they'll just keep coming back under a different name and short of blocking the IP (which is in itself a far from fool proof method) you couldn't clean up.

I'm afraid the truth is not much can be done about it that would be effective. I wish there were cyber laws were you could force characters into therapy and rehab lol

To Niloufar parsi: how is Captain's comment to me courageous?

Niloufar Parsi wrote:"if nothing else, that was a courageous comment you directed to Anahid :)".  I don't get it.  Anyone care to explain this to me?

Courageous are those youth in Iran who sacrifice their lives for freedom.  I don't see how Captain commenting to me is courageous and then commenting about Souri who is gone and can't even defend herself.   I am not saying it is bad that Captain commented but I don't call that courageous.

Holly

You have made an interesting point. I also felt today of leaving, always the same people that create the tension in blogs by deflecting from subject matter to personal attacks. I have made a suggestion to JJ to create a new flag "Off Topic" to control this type of behavior. At the moment I think that there is some that have no discipline in commenting and think ANYTHING comes under Free Speech. Many people are put off commenting because they know they will be at receiving end of personal intimidation. So I do not know whether it may be something that others can suggest to JJ as well. Everyone should comment and not be stopped from doing so by such feelings. I am pretty sure JJ will understand this , and it his website so am sure he would like to maintain a "standard" for commenting. It is to his benefit as well as the larger community.

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Cool.

I know, I wish that Souri didn't feel the need to leave either but you know I can perfectly understand it too. I was almost there myself and I've only been here a month for God sake! Sometimes a little break helps us re-organize our priorities and our approach though so hopefully that's all she'll need. I know that by not getting involved in the political discussions here, which almost ALWAYS end up in a stupid tit for tat, I'm saving myself a lot of disappointment and frustration  lately. But like Souri, I also have to keep in mind that from a perspective of principals,  I have to ask myself if I should support the forum by coming here at all. So far I'm torn on that question because besides the politics (both political discussions and political policing admin-wise), there are a lot of good writers here contributing good material.

Oh my God, Holly Jan

Never. Please do not think that at all. I can see what a decent person you are, honestly never think anything like that again.

I tell you, I am quite upset that souri has left, angry even. I am still laughing about her remarkd about DK. God she was hilarious. Tells it as it is and I think some men cannot handle that type of woman.

taking his penis in hands to show it to anybody who try to approach for objecting to his behavior (DK).

I do not know who this DK is but I sure as hell will never forget him

HI SK

Hi Holly

Yes I'm here. I thought this blog was long gone and finished, just happened to pass it today.

Sag Koochoolo

Ms. Parsa

You are one cool banoo.

have a nice weekend

-YT 

P/S you forgot to mention [kill that spider HONEY] duty ;o-)

captain

if nothing else, that was a courageous comment you directed to Anahid :)

this is not a comment about Souri jan at all. am not interested in getting involved in such things.

but i am with Anahid on the cheese and wine business!

let's not forget, men are really best used for changing light bulbs and fixing fixtures around the house. and carrying the shopping bags outside it. that's what we love them for! oh i forgot: disposing of garbage too. that's another use. (just kidding folks...)

i am an irregular contributor here. lately there appears to be a lot more personal commenting. one way of looking at it is: perhaps people are just getting to know each other better as people?

the down side: labelling becomes more common, and people get judged on their personalities rather than content.

Only & Holly

yes, i cannot argue with you there. i guess what i meant was that implementing laws - rather than just passing them - will require some level of commitment. so many great laws and development strategies have been passed and resulted in no change....

Peace

I think both sides need to tone it down

I have not been to this site as long as some of the other writers.  One thing that I observe is that comments back and forth between some people just escalates very soon and some people get very judgemental.  An instance was when MPD deleted his blog.  Even I said that I did not think that was right thing to do but then some people concluded from that act that MPD is sexist which was an uncalled conclusion. 

I read the comment that you mention that Souri made on Bajenagh. She noted that Bajenagh calls himself Baghal.  Rest of the comment was a recommendation to Bajenagh.   In the same blog that Souri left that comment which upset you, Bajenagh wrote that as a kid he was friend with bullies.  I believe this fact and Bajenagh's recent blogs that to her were belittling caused Souri to make her recommendation in that comment. 

About the wine, cheese, women comment, I don't have the problem that some other women on the site have but I see their point too.  I believe as men and women on the site, sometimes we should give each other benefit of the doubt.  When a person of opposite sex makes a comment, we should not quickly label them sexist.  That said, some writers here have written many blogs and comments and people have formed opinions of them. 

I just hope that we writers of this site try harder to have a better dialogue with each other. Captain, Thanks for commenting to me and trying to explain your point of view.

Ms. Anahid - for your eyes only

Although I had decided not to make any more comment on this blog, but your fair and unbiased[as usual] statement commands me to reply to you.

Due respect, My comment been in all honesty and sincerity without any vindictiveness. Ms. Souri, in not a very distant past, been very good to me, but for some reason or another at one point she decided to attack my PERSON ever so viciously for  reasons unknown to me. For the longest time, I refrained form even responding to her, but everything has a limit.

She has done the same thing to few others. But what really sparked all of this was the comment she left on Mr. Bajenaghe Naghi's blog[grown up little brats], which subsequently was flagged and deleted by someone. I, as many others , found that comment to be uncalled for and totally vicious. Calling the gentleman, who happens to be one of the kindest, and highly educated contributors in this site, every belittling and demeaning names. Attacking his credentials, his decency, and calling him [Baghale Sare Kocheh]. Do you think calling the gentleman with such degrading names is [SPEAKING ONES MIND?]

If so,  do you think it would be considered [speaking ones mind] if she was called[Rakhtshore Mahaleh].

Then came the whole deal about Mr. Red Wine's comment. 

Allow me ask you few questions if you do not mind.

Does loving wine, cheeses and women as three most favorite in one life make that person a sexist? I do not drink but I love women, cheese and many other things. Am I, to the ladies of this thread a male chauvinistic pig? If so why? 

Aren't healthy heterosexual men not supposed to be like that, or even women for that fact? What is wrong with me, or any man, making a comment as to[I love women, along with few other favorite items in my life?]

Does making a quote form a psychological study, regarding bullying make one a sexist? Study preformed by some of the most renowned psychologist in the relevant field?

Does closing ones blog, by the owner of the blog, in order to prevent further argument between the people make that person a sexist? Why should that be considered an attempt in censoring women of the site and [shutting them up]?

If a lady makes a comment that says, she loves men and fast cars and high heel shoes, is she a sexist? You and I both know that many women make such comments, which there is absolutely nothing wrong with. Or is it?

As much respect I have for you, I am certain you will arrive at some fair and balanced answers to these questions.

I know as a male member of Iranian population, no matter how hard I tried, I will NEVER fully comprehend the feeling of oppression, belittlement and inequality that you ladies live with every moment of your lives.  As it incomprehensible for a white person to fully understand feeling of a black person. But does that make one insensitive[and IST] toward the plight of these group?

Best regards.

-YT 

Cap, You are so unfair in your judgements

As always, captain thinks he knows the best. "Ayeh mideh dar mored Souri".  I find Souri refreshing.  She speaks her mind and she stands up against hypocrites on this site.  All those who claim to be progressive but their actions on this site are not always that great.  I will miss Souri.  Mr Yassari has started his Moshaereh but I personally don't feel like participating in it.  Some guys on this site have to learn that they cannot label every strong woman on this site as loud mouth.  If the guys act like that, they are celebrated but if women state their opinions on the site, then they are loud mouth.  With behavior like this, no wonder Souri is leaving.  Hopefully she will reconsider since we can't leave the site to those know it all guys who want to shut up rest of people on the site.

Really Ayhab?

You are going to attack someone who is not here and has said that she wouldn't be here??? Really??? Congratulations.

HollyUSA

Captain Ayhab

What is the point of creating a blog "Bashing Orgy II" lecturing others on etiquette when you revert to type, continue to behave in an ungentlemanly manner and abuse your own rules? That is very insincere.  Remember your rules:

"Like to present yet another outlet for the people who need to rid themselves of their inner aggression and hate of anyone whom they dislike for reasons below, or otherwise.

3. Are self righteous.
4. Claim to be [KNOW IT ALL].
17. Woman haters.

However I would like to set some ground rules and I would appreciate if observed.

5. Do not lie.
7. Do not judge one another. "

You should have added another rule, which is refraining from the use of Multiple IDs.

One and Only Comment

Exception due to my dearest friend IRANdokht

Firstly I am amazingly flattered that you ladies saw me worthy of 2 days of your lives that you tried to spend  in crucifixion of yours truly -  this Azari the naghabel and decent  two gentlemen Red Wine, MPD.

After debating for about 3 seconds with myself, I though you ladies have EARNED few minutes of my time for ONE and the ONLY comment your are going to receive from your humble Azari servant.

First:

Special Note: to one and the only most vicious, loud mouth,  obnoxious  being and lost soul.....: Souri jan

I love you like my sister, PLEASE get some help. You are a beautiful woman, inside and out, but you gave in to HATE.

Rest of you beautiful  ladies.......... You know that you are loved, because you try to be the spirit of true Iranian WOMAN that has been pride of generations, BUT .............not this way, not the underhanded system that you been TRYING to use.

With what you ladies been wasting you time in past two days, in regards to your humble servant[ME], one thing you have to establish:

Do any of the things you guys been saying in past 2 days make any difference in my life?

Do I even care?

-YT 

Hint with the questions above: no and no

PP/S Love you all........ hate me as you wish I am here to stay.

LOL SagKoochooloo

For some reason I always thought you were a woman! I guess I've never read a comment of yours that said otherwise and usually women are partial to 'sag koochooloos' :)

Anyhow, good for you for having wilfully picked a strong woman to be your partner and for raising your daughters to be strong. That's one of the signs of a real man. 

HollyUSA jan

What can I say, I just love strong Iranian women, I have a weakness for them. My wife and daughters are the same and I am proud that they speak their mind.  We need more of them on this website.         :-)

Shepesh

I know you didn't mean it as an insult, I'm sure Souri does too. All I meant was clarification of her reasons for leaving as I understood them.

A lot of people underestimate the resolve of others, and sometimes they do it only to deflect from their own weakness.  But I've read enough of what you have written I think, to know that you are not amongst them.

Have a great day.

I am not leaving but I have cut back my IC time

It is sad that Souri is leaving.  I will miss her presence on IC.  I am not planning to leave but I have cut back my time on this site.  Few months ago it made more sense to discuss politics here but now it does not make as much sense.  Discusssion of politics here is mostly between very few people where some of them are extreme Shahi or extreme pro bambing Iran, Ahmadinejad apologists,  and extreme haters of Islam, etc.  Any way, Souri leaving and some of us limiting our time here is part of development of IC and some day the trend might change.  I will not leave since I like reading articles by people like Ari, Hossein Bagherzadeh, Abadan stories by Jahanshah and MPD, Nazy's slice of life stories, and other great features of the site.

HollyUSA jan

I did not mean the comment as an insult, and apologise if it had given that impression. I just dont want Souri to leave because of others action. Kind regards.

Shepesh jan

Why do you see this as being 'intimidated'? You should give her more credit. Sha has stood up for herself courageously when attacked, even I know that with just 3 weeks under my belt! Sometimes in life, some fights are simply not worth fighting given everything else we have to accomplish. She's just deciding to put her time and energy into what she considers (and I agree with!) better use than endlessly butting heads with a bunch of you know whats and supporting a forum she no longer believes in.

Souri jan

For what it is worth I don't see this as giving in to intimidation at all and I think you are doing the right thing.

Farewell and good luck. Hope to cross paths with you again soon.

Souri jaan

I think you are wrong to give in to intimidation. We are all in the same boat, I have been insulted so many times. Just go to the News page, everyday I am harassed by same people, same prsonal attacks. Why do you care what unworthy individuals think? Be more choosy which blogs to read and comment on, instead of being chased away by a handful of people that treat everyone badly. What a shame....