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IRI's bigots are imbecilic & pathological liars
15-Sep-2012
Following Mitt Romney's presidential candidacy, his religious affiliation became the topic of national discussion, with pundits wondering how much of the Christian fundamentalist base of the Republican party would be willing to vote for a Mormon. In that vain, we may recall that Mormonism and Baha'ism arose in the 1st half of the 19th century in the US and Iran as offshoots of the mainstream religions of those societies, Protestantism and Shi'ism, respectively. Fundamentalist-minded adherents of both mainstream religions view these offshoots as heresies, and from the beginning the heretics faced persecution at the hands of the true believers. But religious persecution has long ceased in the US, whereas it's alive and kicking (sometimes to death) in the Islamic Republic. So, a heretic Mormon like Romney becomes a successful and wealthy businessman, the governor of an important state and a presidential candidate, whereas a heretic Baha'i may not be permitted to complete elementary education or hold jobs. So, while Romney may lose votes due to religious bigotry, he won't lose all the other privileges he has to his name.
It's often the case that bigots, being immoral, are also morons, and take their audience to be fools like themselves. And this applies to the bigots of the Islamic Republic of Iran and those amongst its supporters, as illustrated by the following. A first case is the following comedy show aired on Iranian state TV last month, which features 3-stooges impersonators and a clown. The poorly-scripted story line has the 3 stooges recounting tales of appalling abuse at the hands of the Baha'is followed by liberation from the fearsome clutches of these heretics and the role of the Beloved Leader's directives. The clown, under the guise of moderating the discussion, chimes in with worn-out propaganda points and take-home messages for the audience, one of the newer concoctions being the Baha'i-Wahabi connection.
Another example of the imbecility of these bigots is the doctored video posted recently at this site @ //iranian.com/main/blog/frashogar/bah-bra...
which features statements by a dissident Baha'i named Frederick Glaysher. What is obvious from the format of this hack job is that the video consists of segments of a longer interview pasted together with no introduction of the author. The full interview is in fact 2.5 hours long and was done by a pair of Israeli film producers as part of a documentary they were making about the Baha'i presence in Israel. The full interview is posted in 3 parts which are linked to @
//www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E91AB0E43...
Glaysher is a critic of the Baha'i establishment in the US and Israel, and in the interview he raises issues, whatever their merit may be, on only that topic. His objections are completely independent of the human and civil rights of the Baha'is in Iran, which he makes clear in the interview, and is not about the (persecuted) Baha'i establishment in Iran either. In contrast, the deceptively-edited version essentially implies that the Baha'i human rights issue that's been raised internationally is manufactured by a Baha'i-US conspiracy. But the relevant parts cut out of this clip convey a different message. At min 9:40 of part 1 of the full interview, Glaysher states, "The Iranian Muslims have always had a great deal of animosity towards the Baha'i faith with periodic persecution, denial of the most basic human rights to Baha'is in Iran, murder, torture, desecration of cemeteries and the most hineous kinds of acts and violations of basic rights of humanity." At min 54:40 of part 1, "There were public statements by Reagan denouncing Iran, supporting the Baha'is and so forth, which is fine and legitimate. As an American I'm appaled too and I don't see anything wrong with my gov't trying to protect a vulnerable people in another country somewhere." And at min 7:25 in part 2, "At times when we have to deal with Iran and we want to denounce for political purposes the Iranian fanatical gov't or whatever, how do we do that? Well, here's a little group of people who's being brutalized, always have been and are, no matter what time of history you want to look at in Iran ... I don't believe the US gov't is in some sort of conspiracy theory with the Baha'i." In short, all the references Glaysher makes to the historical Baha'i persecution in Iran, which he acknowledges and denounces, have been cut out of the doctored clip to convey the opposite message.
For completeness, here's the Israeli documentary for which the Glaysher interview was conducted (although the film makes scant use of it) @ //player.vimeo.com/video/22467795 :
In place of the pathological distortions, saner views would include:
and "Iran's Neo-Apartheid: Rampant Persecution of Baha'is in Cradle of Faith".
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بهائی بازی
MaryamJoonSat Sep 15, 2012 09:34 PM PDT
10 سوال بود. همین.
بنده خدا و لاغیر، دمو عزیز
مآمورSat Sep 15, 2012 09:23 PM PDT
فرمایش شما در مورد شیعه، سنی، بهائی........خواندم و طبق معمول لذت بردم. دقیقأ برای همین است که من خود را بنده خدا میدونم نه بنده علی(ع) !!!! البته شیعه علی هستم!! من به خود اجازه نمیدهم کلمه ' شیعه ' را به فارسی برای شما ترجمه کنم.
هر کس خداوند ازش راضی باشد مسلمان است!! من گناهکار همش به دنبال شیعه بازی !
I wear an Omega watch
Rozbeh jan ... Which Savama? Baba to ham hoseleh daree
by Soosan Khanoom on Sat Sep 15, 2012 09:02 PM PDTHer obsession with the topic of Bahaiat makes me think she is one ... I see some personal wounds here!!
why not just answer her questions so she can get a sweet night sleep rather than being here all the time!!
I like her and I think she is pretty smart in her own ways. now she asks serious questions and the ZzzZ jan instead says all Muslims are monkey. LOL
Baba eengadar ba een Maryam sar be sar Nazarene...
: )
sozan khanom: "maryamjoon" is not a bahai,
by Roozbeh_Gilani on Sat Sep 15, 2012 08:47 PM PDTPlease do not insult baha'i folks.
The person behind user ID "maryamjoon" and a dozen or so other rabid anti baha'i/anti jew/pro IRI user ID's is working for Islamist regime's Ministry of Etelaat (SAVAMA). He/she is here 24/7 spreading his/her paymaster;s message of hate and evil.
"Personal business must yield to collective interest."
Do I need to pretend to be Bahai to ask questions?
by MaryamJoon on Sat Sep 15, 2012 08:43 PM PDTQuestions are questions. If it affects Iran, Iranians have the right to ask questions. If the Bahai leaders don't care to answer questions, they don't care that governments around the world view their movement with suspicion, nor can they seriously be thought to care about the lives of individuals they impact by keeping their practices, funding, doctrines, and so on secret. As I said before:
You can write that anyone's prophet is a "monkey," but if the Bahai leaders can't answer secularly motivated national security questions, they lose credibility regarding everything and anything they have said:
You want Iran to surrender its independent judgment to foreign Bahai men sitting in Israel who don't answer questions?
Why do 9 grown men that are millionaires, the Bahai leaders, need to be protected from questions by 1 person on Iranian.com?
Why?
Who died and made these 9 dudes king?
And if Ahmadi-nejad, or Khameini, or someone else in the future is the "monkey" (as they put it), still that happens to be the "monkey" in power ... just make sure he doesn't view Bahais as the banana.
Dialogue with Haifan-Baha'i Leaders -- People Have Questions.Zendanian dear, what's up with you and the monkey thingy?
by Soosan Khanoom on Sat Sep 15, 2012 08:36 PM PDTasking me as a Muslim sometimes I wish I were monkey than human ... Cause being human is a huge responsibility ... It is not easy to be one !!!
:)
Why do you guys bug Maryam? Can't you just quite being so
by Soosan Khanoom on Sat Sep 15, 2012 08:31 PM PDTStubborn and atleast answer this woman's questions? Although she denied being a Bahai but I still think she is. She is an independent Iranian Bahai who is questionong the motives of these specific Bahais. A group of individuals who do not give a damn about Iran.... Now can we just be fair and agree where truth is being spoken? Or we should keep disagreeing with her just because we do not like her or we think she likes IRI!!!
You can write that anyone's prophet is a "monkey" ...
by MaryamJoon on Sat Sep 15, 2012 08:12 PM PDT... But if the Bahai leaders can't answer secularly motivated national security questions, they lose credibility regarding everything and anything they have said:
You want Iran to surrender its independent judgment to foreign Bahai men sitting in Israel who don't answer questions?
Why do 9 grown men that are millionaires, the Bahai leaders, need to be protected from questions by 1 person on Iranian.com?
Why? Who died and made these 9 dudes king?
And if Ahmadi-nejad is the "monkey" (as you put it), he happens to be the "monkey" in power ... just make sure he doesn't view you as the banana.
Dialogue with Haifan-Baha'i Leaders -- People Have Questions.Mohamad was the biggest Monkey of them all
by Zendanian on Sat Sep 15, 2012 07:54 PM PDTWhile his followers are said to include Monkeys, Chimpanzees, Orangutans,..
Identfiy yourselves, whoever you are.
So Demo
by Truthseeker9 on Sat Sep 15, 2012 06:54 PM PDTYes I do search for truth and was not brought up to be a brainwashed individual. If you were born into a Jewish family you would not turn to Islam, you follow others and feel threatened if your fairy tale is challenged. The type to grab onto their traditional, cultural values without challenging them. It would serve you better to keep calm and try to understand other points of view without lashing out when you cannot support your arguments with logic. But the likes of you cannot help it. I'm sorry to have hurt your feelings.
There are many studies into the religious mind, perhaps you should read them.
The Truth's Evolution
by Demo on Sat Sep 15, 2012 06:27 PM PDT"All man created, a fairy tale. But keep quoting these daft verses to make yourselves feel more secure." By the Truthseeker9 below.
The truthseeker is right! All men are evolved into men! They indeed were monkies first! But the 'truth' did not evolve in them equally! No wonder than that the truthseeker is feeling so unsecure & has been seeking the truth in his/her evolution since he/she was a monkey!
Are these the good Bahais?
by MaryamJoon on Sat Sep 15, 2012 05:52 PM PDTBahá'í Brainwashing Corporation
Rea
by Frashogar on Sat Sep 15, 2012 01:51 PM PDTGene Sharp ;O)
Timely n well written blog
by Rea on Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:52 PM PDTThere have been so many attacks recently against Baha'is on Icom that one wonders what's wrong with some individuals and what's wrong with Icom ?
I rest my case
by Onlyiran on Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:43 PM PDTyou're just so predictable. This is not even a challenge anymore.
I know you are, but what am I? LOL
by Frashogar on Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:25 PM PDTEverything you say, is yourself. And this community you speak of, and specifically their leadership, are scum!
Not as much as you're obsessed
by Onlyiran on Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:23 PM PDTwith slandering, marginalizing and demonzing an already persecuted religious minority in Iran through lies, deception and distortion of facts, which seem to be your especiality, as is shown in this blog.
Material Roots of Islam- " Islam and Merchant Capital"
by Zendanian on Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:30 AM PDTThat so called "pure" Religion Islam, itself was a product of How some Merchants in Arabia came up with a new set of ideas to accumulate wealth and dominate other people.
In other words, like every other religion it has nothing to do with "God" or heaven, but it was all about how to dominat people on this Earth. Read more about it:
Islam and Merchant Capital: by Mohmoud Ibrahim
//jis.oxfordjournals.org/content/4/2/241.extract
"Pure" religion of "God"
by Truthseeker9 on Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:28 AM PDTAll man created, a fairy tale. But keep quoting these daft verses to make yourselves feel more secure.
Shiism is Not a Religion!
by Demo on Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:24 AM PDTLike Bahiism itself Shiism is not a religion but it is rather a 'man invented cult!' Islam is the pure religion of GOD and has absolutely no -ism of any kinds in it! No Suniism, No Shiism! None, whatsoever!
"Surely the pure religion is for GOD only. and those who choose protecting friends beside him (say): We worship them only that they may bring us near unto GOD. lo! GOD will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. lo! GOD guideth not him who is a liar, an
ingrate." (Quran 39:3)
"Turn ye back in repentance to him, and fear him: establish regular prayers, and be not ye among those who join (any) idols with GOD ,- those who split up their religion, and become (mere) cults (sects, 'shiiahs' in the text),- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!" (Quran, 30:31-32)
asadabad
by Frashogar on Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:02 AM PDTA mormon can become president of the US
I understand you Baha'is are rooting for Mitt Romney in this US (s)election season, probably because you've been promised the moon by the Neo-Cons in the GOP, i.e. fulfillment of your fantasies of a Baha'i dominated government in Iran following a US/Israeli invasion and occupation. But Romney isn't president yet, nor is there a guarantee that he will win in November. Right now all polls have Obama ahead of Romney and some important pundits are already calling the (s)election for Obama because Romney is failing to secure projected polling for the battleground states.
Obama won't be attacking Iran, let alone invading and occupying it. But nor for that matter is there a guarantee that Romney would fulfill the dyostopian Baha'i fantasy of invading and occupying Iran either. Politicians say all kinds of things during (s)elections which they don't actually fulfill.
shiites fear the truth
by asadabad on Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:51 AM PDTThey are afraid that some iranians will use their brain and realize that shiism is false. Hence they must persecute anyone who denies their religion. It's no surprise that the frederick glaysher fillm had important pieces edited out. Shiism is based on lying or taqqiyah.
It's interesting to compare/contrast the backwardness/third world mentality in Iran compared to the US. A mormon can become president of the US while a bahai will be lucky to live if he criticizes the iranian regime. The Sunni Muslims are also fiercely persecuted by the shiite thugs ruling Iran.
This really exposes the hypocrisy of the shiites. On the one hand they demand freedom and tolerance for shiites when they are the minority while they murder, rape, and torture Sunni Muslims in Iran.
Onlyiran
by Frashogar on Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:16 AM PDTYou are obsessed: completely, totally, obsessed! This obsession of yours is unhealthy, is cracking your mind, and could get you committed to a psychiatric ward. I would sit back and chill out if I were you, however your handlers are pushing you to work harder.
What I also find quite interesting about this character
by Onlyiran on Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:09 AM PDTIs that he is the very creature that he accuses those who oppose his views to be. He is a believer in Western antisemitism, which has no root or place in Eastern cultures, at least not in the systemic way that he believes in. This guy believes in the Protocols of Elders of Zion, a much proven and discredited European invention (he posted videos in one of his recent blogs that promoted the doctrine). So, in a sense, this is another lie on his part (no surprsie there), where he tries to portray himself as the standard bearer of the Eastern culture, when in fact, he is promoting the worst elements of the Western culture, i.e., Western style racism. He even takes that effort one step further by applying the same type of bigotry to the Iranian culture, i.e, his racism against the Bahais and even other Iranian minorities.
Good Article. Too many Good Points of View to list.
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Sep 15, 2012 09:55 AM PDTA good observation was that it is Muslims who are being humilated by this extremism which easily affects a society for the worse if people are not careful to develop a defense against it. //iranian.com/main/blog/manuchehr-khosrodad/a...
Good Article. Too many Good OPoints of View to list.
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Sep 15, 2012 09:54 AM PDTA good observation was that it is Muslims who are being humilated by this extremism which easily affects a society for the worse if people are not careful to develop a defense against it. //iranian.com/main/blog/manuchehr-khosrodad/a...
Faryar joon
by Frashogar on Sat Sep 15, 2012 09:51 AM PDTSo far you're the only one here foaming at the mouth. Where you reprimanded for mouth foaming growing up? We should be told.
Ditto, the comments of Mamur and First Amendment!
Your blog must be telling the truth!
by Roozbeh_Gilani on Sat Sep 15, 2012 08:34 AM PDTGiven the rise in blood pressure of Iranian.com's one man band Hojjatieh Society in exile!
Sorry, have not read your blog yet, but added it to my "must read" list already.
For now, the weather out there is simply beautiful. Sun is shining and beach is inviting.
"Personal business must yield to collective interest."
Add my name to that body of two
by مآمور on Sat Sep 15, 2012 08:16 AM PDTthat makes us million and million of Iranians who have understood the vicious and revengeful nature of this spy organization located in Haifa!!!
please dont waste the water!! our cute but old basiji will need it badly !!
I wear an Omega watch
You forgot coward!
by Onlyiran on Sat Sep 15, 2012 07:01 AM PDTI offered this pathological liar a free ticket and spending money so that he could fight real Zionists as opposed to imaginary ones on IC. He, of course, chickened out, just as we all knew these cowards would do:
//iranian.com/main/blog/esfand-aashena/ag...
And as far as two spirits in one body, it's more like one spirit and two keyboads!