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Iranian-McCarthyism: Herding the Sheep

by BoosBoos on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:07 PM PDT

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MK looks better

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Aug 24, 2011 01:28 PM PDT

 

MK is getting to look more reasonable ever since another person showed up :-)

MK why don't you reate EA in your ratings?

Now you're finally making sense ....

by BoosBoos on Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:27 AM PDT

Dear VPK: I want Rajavi

by vildemose on Wed Aug 24, 2011 07:42 AM PDT

 Dear VPK: I want Rajavi and Maryam arrested and behind bars right now.  I don't know why they are allowed to roam freely anywhere in the world after their crimes. These two are very dangerous lunatics. They are the type of David Koresh and Jim Jones. They need to be tried in a court of law with due process affordd to them.

Masoud

by RostamZ on Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:30 AM PDT

  This is way too funny. good job.

 

 

 

Thank God, for once...

by bahmani on Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:28 AM PDT

I'm not on any of these lists!

To read more bahmani posts visit: //brucebahmani.blogspot.com/

Dear Vildermose

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Aug 24, 2011 09:44 AM PDT

Thank you for speaking real sense. We are all Iranians and should put Iran above our politics. I do not consider Rajavis real Iranians. Not any more. They gave that up when they sided with Saddam. However according to Iranian law they are Iranian. Plus their crimes are primarily against Iran so in my opinion they should be tried by an Iranian court. Not an international or Western one. Yes I agree that NIAC is not an IRI lobby. Rather it is just what you said: realists. They want to keep Iran out of war. If that means their goals overlap with IRI it may be. But if we get a different government in Iran NIAC will still oppose war. They do want to normalize relations. I am not a NIAC spokesperson so I am guessing: they prefer the soft approach. I have no doubt they want a democratic Iran. However that is not their primary goal. The primary goals in my opinion are:

• Be a voice for Iranian Americans. Make life easier for Iranians in America such as getting visa; and prevent discrimination.
• Protect long term interests of Iran beyond IRI such national treasures and territorial integrity.
• Prevent MKO gaining power or being voice of Iranians.

All of the above coincide with my own goals. Therefore I have chosen to support them for now. I know it is controversial among many.

• Some people because they are MKO supporters. They are either true MKO members or want to use MKO to overthrow IRI. These I oppose.
• Others are not MKO supporters but want to include MKO. I respect their opinion but disagree with them. MK claims to be one of these and I take him at his word.
• Another group because they oppose IRI. Nothing to do with MKO. These people I also respect. I think they are too angry for their own good. But then it is their right.

In summary we are on the same page. At least over most things. Maybe not NIAC.

 Dear VPK: I want Rajavi

by vildemose on Wed Aug 24, 2011 07:42 AM PDT

 Dear VPK: I want Rajavi and Maryam arrested and behind bars right now.  I don't know why they are allowed to roam freely anywhere in the world after their crimes. These two are very dangerous lunatics. They are the type of David Koresh and Jim Jones. They need to be tried in a court of law with due process affordd to them.

As far as NIAC goes, I have always stated NIAC is not a lobby for IRI. Their main bosses are the realists in the US not IRI. Sometimes, the interest of IRI and the US realisits (read rockefeller, oil tycoons) overlaps but it does not mean that NIAC is a lobby of IRI.

However, I think we should keep this in mind first and foremost, before we are democrats, monarchists, basiji, reformers and so on, please remember we are all Iranians and the long-term welfare and interest of Iran should be our main concern not what we preceive to be the right move for our  organization/ideological agenda.

We need to put Iran first before our ideology and affiliations with different parties and groups.

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

Dear RG

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Aug 24, 2011 05:18 AM PDT

 

The current movements are short term fluctuations. Mostly due to computerized activity. Do not let the short term movements spook you.

• I only had a relatively small amount with that guy.
• I lost almost 50% of my 401-K in the last crash. Then recovered all of it and more in the next run up.
• Now that I am getting older I am slowly moving into less risky instruments.
• By design government has made it practically impossible to make anything by "safe" investments like CDs. This is to push us into the stock market so Wall Street insiders get to milk us.
• The one safe investment is to pay off debts. The higher the interest rate the more sense it makes to pay it off. An 18% credit line is a no brainer. A 0% car loan you might as well not bother.
• I am seriously planning on moving. Once my kids are grown up I *am* moving. If IRI goes to Iran; if not to some other place. If you are an engineer India is an option.

dont blame you vpk for firing the guy

by Roozbeh_Gilani on Wed Aug 24, 2011 04:49 AM PDT

Currently all the management fees are paid by my employers.  I have a range of funds  of which i can select up to a certain numbers for investment. But I have been less than pro active on monitoring, so lost a bit over the past few weeks. I recently found there are other options available to me, where my funds are allocated and actively managed for me, at no fee. This is what i will be exploring later today with the advisor. I had been reading up and printing out all the info I needed over the past couple of hours whilst blogging here. Now time for coffee and my morning run before work.

Thanks again for the tips, and Take care. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

RG

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Aug 24, 2011 04:39 AM PDT

Well thanks. Just one more suggestion on 401-K. I fired my "financial advisor" after he managed to reduce 80 K to 40 K *and* charged me 1 % "management fee". Do it yourself; how could you do any worse?

vpk, I did not mean you

by Roozbeh_Gilani on Wed Aug 24, 2011 04:37 AM PDT

I meant "boos boos"/

Only, each time I mention his name, my comment goes whooosh, just disappears! no insults, no bad words, nothingg. it's just amazing....

BTW, Thanks for the tips on the 401k on the other blog. I'll be talking to a Financial dviser from the firm who are managing our companies 4014 funds, later today on this. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Aghaye Hooshang

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Aug 24, 2011 08:55 AM PDT

 

Dagl; Hammal; Zolm; Estebdad; Amale; Entegkhab; Salise va Darj Parsi nist. Agar mikhahid ke pasokh ra dar Parsi daryaft konid. Khahesh me konam ke shoma khod dar zaban Parsi sokhan begooyid.

By the way: using Arabic script is not Persian either. Why not use Din Dabireh if you really want to use Persian. I just as soon use Latin since I see no value in using modified Arabic script. 

RG

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Aug 24, 2011 04:14 AM PDT

 

If you mean me I was just responding to a threat from a poster. I was accused of libel. So I am returning the favor. If it is right to take offense then we all get to do it. If it is wrong then no one does.

Tell me why should I turn the other cheek when I am the target? Why should I be Mr. Nice Guy when MK and his fans get to make whatever accusations they want.

I will tell you one thing: I don't want MK's democracy. No thank you. I take Shah and Savak over MK's democracy any day! At least with Shah I knew I had a Mihan Parast for a leader who did not put up with MKO.

.

by Roozbeh_Gilani on Wed Aug 24, 2011 03:11 AM PDT

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

rea: "Briefly"

by Roozbeh_Gilani on Wed Aug 24, 2011 02:44 AM PDT

This blog started as a light hearted piece of satire. Masoud has done at least two blogs like this in the past, all well received.

Majority of us mentioned in this blog took it for what it was. read it,had a smile (or did not) and got on with our daily lives. However a tiny handfull, one user ID in particular, took major offence. I believe masoud tauched a raw nerve here. Or as we say in farsi: If you pick up a stick, the thieving cat runs away:)

 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

حیله و دغل کاری ساواکی/حزب اللهی

Hooshang Tarreh-Gol
Wed Aug 24, 2011 02:36 AM PDT

چربی از زبان مسعود نیست

چربی از حیله و دغل کاری ساواکی/حزب اللهی  هاست.
ماچ ماچی، برایت چند نام مناسب انتخاب کرده  بودیم. از کدامشان بیشتر خوشت میاید:      
۱) حمال پوچی
۲) فعله استبداد
۳) عمله ظلم

خواهشمند است پاسخ خویش را به زبان سلیس پارسی درج  نمائید    

MK's Paradox! Revisited

by Disenchanted on Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:19 PM PDT

 

Ok folks here it is. Dr. Masoud claims to be defending POMI/MEK civil liberties while "strongly opposing their ideology and leadership". If the latter part is news to you, you are not alone! :-)

         Now, lets see how it goes from here. Bunch of us who care about Iran (and as far as I know we belong to no party or group) have been arguing with "Dr." that MEK/POMI's violent and traitor history deprives this group from ability to take part in any democratic institution in current or future of Iran (emphasis is as a GROUP. Individuals who have been abused by the group are different).

          Facing with this ugly reality, the fact that MEK's actions excludes them from joining any democratic motion as the leadership has to stand trial, leaves MK to have to defend their actions. That is where the problem lies for him and his ilk.

      To defend POMI/MEK civil liberties they end up defending their acts and denying documented cases of terrorism and treason.

        That is not acceptable to any honest and patriot Iranian. Hence our disagreement with him and his desperate name calling! 

 

VPK that makes sense.

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Tue Aug 23, 2011 08:23 PM PDT

Wanting Justice to be served on MeK leadership is a step in the right direction, you don't have to tell most Iranians that.

That not only makes sense, but I think it's reasonable too.

All dictators need to go on trial, if they break the law for power they are dictators.

Ba sepaas-e Faravan Vildemose jaan

by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Tue Aug 23, 2011 08:00 PM PDT

Dear Vildemose,

Thank you for your kind and generous remarks. They mean a lot. If there were not sooooooo many wonderful supportive friends, this task would have been much harder.

Let me take the opportunity to express my gratitude to you for all YOUR wonderful posts and all your efforts for the cause of freedom and democracy in Iran. I am confident that with thoughtful, intelligent, decent, pro-democracy women like you and Mehrban, we will soon witness a very progressive and democratic Iran in the post-fundamentalist Iran. Iranian women like Mehrban and you, make me soooo proud. I am really really proud of YOU and other democratic progressive women.

Kindest regards my friend,

Masoud

 

+1 VPK ... Thank you.

by BoosBoos on Tue Aug 23, 2011 07:55 PM PDT

"by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Aug 23, 2011 07:51 PM PDT One thing I know is that NIAC is not a cult. They do not send people to brainwashing camps. Nor do they use violence. "

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How many times will people encourage you to be "flexible" in your positions?   Where I come from people have right to make up their own minds.   

vildemose

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Aug 23, 2011 07:51 PM PDT

 

MK is welcome to use whatever argument he wants. I will not threaten him with law suits. Nor shall I try to stop him Please tell me what is my inflexible positions? I want to give Rajavi duo a fair trial. Is that inflexible? *** NIAC it has nothing to do with anything! 

One thing I know is that NIAC is not a cult. They do not send people to brainwashing camps. Nor do they use violence. 

Please tell me where I am wrong!

VPK: Please Read!

by G. Rahmanian on Tue Aug 23, 2011 07:33 PM PDT

dear Mehrdadby Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Aug 19, 2011 08:19 PM PDTYou are right this is a waste of time; but it had one major benefit. We now know exactly who MKO supporters on IC are. Who to trust and who not to. This was a very useful thing just for that one single reason: we know them.

VPK shame on you!by Mehrban on Fri Aug 19, 2011 08:24 PM PDTFor branding people for expressing their opinion.  It is likes of you who have closed the doors to open discussions in Iranian politics.  Shame on you!

Mehrabanby Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Aug 19, 2011 08:35 PM PDTI have nothing to be ashamed about. Shame belongs to those who support the traitor MEK not me. I stand by my words and if you don't like them then don't! No one is closing discussion on anything.How did I "close" the discussion? I don't run IC and I don't ban people. However I have a right to my opinion. I do not support criminals and murderers. If that is your idea of shutting down discussion then so be it.

 VPK jan: MK could use the

by vildemose on Tue Aug 23, 2011 07:25 PM PDT

 VPK jan: MK could use the same arguments and  challenge your moral compass. Let's just agree that there are multiple realities and perceptions and there are even more events and life experiences that have shaped those perceptions. None of are objectives and mostly use our own subjective experience to develop our value system.

I believe You and MK are open minded enough to want to further examine your seemingly inflexible positions without getting personal..I know both of you are true patriots and want the best for Iran. Each has its own method of achieving their perceivd best for Iran and we just have to agree that our methods are not always going to overlap. There shouldn be not only one way but variety of ways to achieve what we want for Iran. For instance, I don't trust the reformers, NIAC or the monarchists but I am not going to completely write them off and when possible to try to make alliances with them. I hope this is helpful to you. 

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

2 for the Price of 1: A very interesting post !

by BoosBoos on Tue Aug 23, 2011 07:22 PM PDT

vildemose ... so can you explain the quote below?

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" by vildemose on Tue Aug 23, 2011 06:52 PM PDT MK time and again has proven that he has a moral compass."

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 "by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Sun Aug 21, 2011 03:03 PM PDT I believe that the PMOI is not a terrorist entity" 

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Note:  PMOI/MEK stands for People's Mujahedin of Iran, a militant Islamic-Marxist group on the U.S. State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations.  (See, U.S.D.S., Country Reports on Terrorism, OFFICE OF THE COORDINATOR FOR COUNTERTERRORISM, April 30, 2007 at Chap. 6.); (see also, Official Journal of the European Union; Common Position on Terrorism, listing PMOI/MEK.) 

 

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" by vildemose on Tue Aug 23, 2011 07:13 PM PDT boosboos: I will wait for MK to respond to you. "  

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 AND OF COURSE, MASOUD KAZEMZADEH DOES NOT PROVIDE THE FACTS THAT WOULD SUBSTANTIATE HIS FALSE CLAIMS:       And Massoud, since you are against "Libel" - why don't  you provide the information requested below before you find yourself on the wrong side of a court order for accusing me of being employed by "IRI Ministry of Intelligence and IRGC" and for the threats below: 

 

1. Please identify the dates I supposedly started working for IRI / IRGC.

2.  Please identify my alleged supervisor at IRI / IRGC.

3.  Please identify my years of service at  IRI / IRGC.

4.  Please identify by name any individual that has personal knowledge that I worked for IRI / IRGC at any time.   

5.  Please identify any fact, document, or item of evidence that shows that I have been employed at any time by the IRI / IRGC. 

6.  Please identify my name, date of birth, and employers for the past 10 years.  

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"by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Mon Aug 22, 2011 04:18 PM PDT They probably would continue to make these libelous LIES again and again and again. ... Also my personality is that if someone attacked me, then I will attack them back 10 fold to give them a lesson. That is me. I use different means but I do not turn the other cheek.
Best, Masoud" 

 

 

 

 boosboos: I will wait for

by vildemose on Tue Aug 23, 2011 07:13 PM PDT

 boosboos: I will wait for MK to respond to you.

Boos Boos, do you think Khomeini was and  IRI and all of their officials are domestic terrorists perpetrating terror against their own citizens??

 

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

The silence is deafening ...

by BoosBoos on Tue Aug 23, 2011 07:07 PM PDT

vildemose ... and so how do you explain the quote below?

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" by vildemose on Tue Aug 23, 2011 06:52 PM PDT MK time and again has proven that he has a moral compass."

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 "by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Sun Aug 21, 2011 03:03 PM PDT I believe that the PMOI is not a terrorist entity" 

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Note:  PMOI/MEK stands for People's Mujahedin of Iran, a militant Islamic-Marxist group on the U.S. State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations.  (See, U.S.D.S., Country Reports on Terrorism, OFFICE OF THE COORDINATOR FOR COUNTERTERRORISM, April 30, 2007 at Chap. 6.); (see also, Official Journal of the European Union; Common Position on Terrorism, listing PMOI/MEK.) 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vildermose

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Aug 23, 2011 07:01 PM PDT

A compass point to a magnetic pole. What happens if there is a false magnet put beside it? What does it do when it is on the pole!

vildemose ... and so how do you explain the quote below?

by BoosBoos on Tue Aug 23, 2011 06:57 PM PDT

" by vildemose on Tue Aug 23, 2011 06:52 PM PDT MK time and again has proven that he has a moral compass." ---------

 "by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Sun Aug 21, 2011 03:03 PM PDT I believe that the PMOI is not a terrorist entity"  

 

 

+ 1 to VPK

by BoosBoos on Tue Aug 23, 2011 06:54 PM PDT

100% correct VPK. 

Just an update ... Roozbeh now says Soosan Khanoom is a Basij.

 

 Dear Mehrban: I agree

by vildemose on Tue Aug 23, 2011 06:52 PM PDT

 Dear Mehrban: I agree with your sentiment on MK. Some people are moral weatherwanes but MK time and again has proven that he has a moral compass.

 

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'