Iranian Liberal Democrat

En passant

Most people do not fit into one sole box.  And if they do fit in on paper, i.e. blogging, it is only when it comes to "hic Rhodus, hic salta !" that a true box emerges. 

PS. as for "loose canon", lool.  ;o)

What about me! :=)

"Independent" opposition :)

Do you want to laugh, read this ....

One of the posters here claims 'President Hashemi Rafsanjani sent intelligence agents of the regime abroad' presumably  so they can post on Iranian.com

Rafsanjani had to send them abroad because Iranian.com is filtered in Iran.

Oh my God, my stomach hurts from laughing (delam dard gereft az khandeh) ...

Are these the Rajavi people who come up with stuff?   

I can see how the Rajavis operate

People who have no life troll this page screaming 

" اطلاعاتی رژیم " ... " اطلاعاتی رژیم " 

+ 1 to Disenchanted - These groups are an obstacle & a threat

@BoosBoos I share your concern:

by Disenchanted on Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:34 PM PDT

 @BoosBoos:  "Iranians in the diaspora most likely don't want a de-listed terror cult (PMOI/MEK) soliciting their kids as new members in the nearest shopping mall in the U.S. and that de-listing can impact upon things like travel visas"

     It is hard to overstate the degree of repugnance that Iranians people feel toward this group. Only a member/sympathizer or someone detached from the reality can deny that!

Well timed quote Mash Ghassem:

 عناصر اطلاعاتی رژیم های خودکامه، از جمله عوامل اطلاعاتی رژیم
قادرند آزادنه در میان مخالفان خود حضور پیدا کنند و هرگاه که مورد سوءظن
قرار گرفته شدند، این عبارات را برزبان آورند: شما که همه را عامل رژیم
اسلامی می دانی! و این حکایتِ همان دزدی است که در کنار مردمی که به دنبال
او روان شده اند، فریاد برمی آورد: آی دزد! آی دزد

@BoosBoos I share your concern:

 @BoosBoos:  "Iranians in the diaspora most likely don't want a de-listed terror cult (PMOI/MEK) soliciting their kids as new members in the nearest shopping mall in the U.S. and that de-listing can impact upon things like travel visas"

     It is hard to overstate the degree of repugnance that Iranians people feel toward this group. Only a member/sympathizer or someone detached from the reality can deny that!

عوامل اطلاعاتی رژیم اسلامی

اما
چگونه امکان دارد، عناصر اطلاعاتی و امنیتی یک رژیم استبدادی ی جنایتکار
نزدیک به سه دهه به فعالیتهای جاسوسی در میان ایرانیان برونمرز مشغول بوده
باشند؛ به انحاء مختلف به مخالفان سیاسی و فرهنگی خود از گرایش های مختلف
ضربات جبران ناپذیری وارد کنند، بی آنکه حتا یکبار فعالیتهای غیرانسانی
آنان از سوی اپوزسیون ایرانی شناسایی و خنثی شده باشد؟

دلایل
بی شماری این تراژدی را توضیح می دهد که بخشی از آنها با داده ها و تحلیل
های تخصصی قابل توضیح است. در کنار، اما قرائن نشان می دهد که موفقیت نسبی
جاسوسان و نیروهای اطلاعاتی رژیم اسلامی در میان نیروهای سیاسی و اجتماعی،
بیش از آنکه مرهون تبحر و مهارت آنان بوده باشد، فرهنگ غالب بر جامعه
ایرانی خارج کشور هر بار به کمک آنان آمده است.

یکی
از خصوصیتهای این جامعه زبان خشن و مملوّ اتهام آن به «مخالف» است. مثلاً
دیده ایم، اگر فردی به فعال سیاسی یا اجتماعی ایرانی بگوید بالای چشم تان
ابرو است، فرد مزبور می شود مزدور و جاسوس رژیم اسلامی (و یا اتهاماتی
مشابه). این عادت پلشت در بخش های مختلف جامعه ایرانی خارج کشور آنقدر
تکرار گردیده که در یک دوره‌ی بیست و چند ساله هزاران نفر را به عضویت
وزارت بدنام اطلاعات و امنیت حکومت اسلامی درآورده اند! در چنین فضای
مسمومی، عناصر اطلاعاتی رژیم های خودکامه، از جمله عوامل اطلاعاتی رژیم
قادرند آزادنه در میان مخالفان خود حضور پیدا کنند و هرگاه که مورد سوءظن
قرار گرفته شدند، این عبارات را برزبان آورند: شما که همه را عامل رژیم
اسلامی می دانی! و این حکایتِ همان دزدی است که در کنار مردمی که به دنبال
او روان شده اند، فریاد برمی آورد: آی دزد! آی دزد!

تور امنیتی مناسب اینگونه به دور عناصر فاسد و سرکوبگر تنیده می شود.

اما
عادت و فرهنگ مزبور، بخشی از این معضل دیرینه را توضیح می دهد. بخش دیگر
به طولانی شدن دوران تبعید، عملکرد نیروهای سیاسی و اجتماعی مخالف رژیم
اسلامی و نیز به «تلفات» جامعه تبعیدی مربوط می شود. تلفات جامعه تبعیدی
گاهی به گونه ای مورد استفاده نیروهای اطلاعاتی قرار گرفته شده اند که آنان
را به مهره های سوخته ای بدل کرده اند که همکاری مستمر آنان با سرکوبگران،
تنها گزینه موجود برای آنان بوده است.

//www.goftogoo.net/index.php?submenu=&id=161

تحرکات عوامل رژیم اسلامی در خارج

حساسیت
موجود در جامعه ایرانی خارج کشور در پیوند با تحرکات رژیم اسلامی در خور
توجه است، اما سالهای گذشته وضع به گونه ی دیگری بوده است.

شروع
ماجرا به دوره اول ریاست جمهوری هاشمی رفسنجانی بازمی گردد و گسیل داشتن
لشکری از عوامل اطلاعاتی رژیم اسلامی به خارج کشور. اینان را تعدادی از
«افراد خوشنام» جامعه فرهنگی ایرانی همراهی می کرده اند.

گروهی
جنایتکار با بسته تشویقی «عفو عمومی» به دیدار ایرانیان مقیم خارج آمده
بودند و در یک دوره هشت ساله، و نیز سالهای پس از آن، با بسیاری از
ایرانیان تبعیدی به مذاکره نشستند. در این دوره بیست ساله چه بر جامعه
ایرانی خارج کشور رفته است، کسی به درستی نمی داند.

//www.goftogoo.net/index.php?submenu=&id=162

@ Disenchanted, I appreciate your observations.

"  Dear VPK, Suri, SK don't waste your time!  by Disenchanted on Mon Aug 22, 2011 08:25 PM PDT  Someone obviously has a full time job spreading absurdities on this site. ... Don't you think Israel['s] intelligen[ce] services have a representative on this site? So [do] Monarchists and most other groups. Masoud claims NIAC has its own rep. here ....  Of course some of us are just ordinary Iranians.  The thing about MEK/P[MO]I is that they are so despised by Iranians that they can not come out explicitly and say so. I won't accuse Masoud to be the one but it's fair to say burden is on him to prove otherwise!  "

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@ Disenchanted:  did you see his outbursts after I mentioned that Iranians in the diaspora most likely don't want a de-listed terror cult (PMOI/MEK) soliciting their kids as new members in the nearest shopping mall in the U.S. and that de-listing can impact upon things like travel visas and sectarian violence?  I am surprised he hasn't changed his mind and put you in the "IRI Ministry of Intelligence and IRGC" category yet.  

I certainly won't be sending any of my family to Sam Houston University ... that's for sure.  

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"by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Mon Aug 22, 2011 04:18 PM PDT They probably would continue to make these libelous LIES again and again and again. ... Also my personality is that if someone attacked me, then I will attack them back 10 fold to give them a lesson. That is me. I use different means but I do not turn the other cheek.

Best, Masoud"

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 "by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Sun Aug 21, 2011 03:03 PM PDT I believe that the PMOI is not a terrorist entity"  

SK

SK: of course it is

MK: Good. We agree.

SK: but it is not as bad as MEK .... cause if IRI terrorizes its opponents it at least has some mercy on its own supporters.

I actually feel bad for MEK supporters much more than its opponents

MK: In my view, BOTH vf regime and PMOI are dictatorial. Each is a different kind of dictatorship. You have the perfect right to lobby for human rights for the members of the PMOI.

I do not foresee a realistic likelihood for the PMOI to come to power in Iran. In my estimation their social base is only about 5% and a group with only 5% could not win any major elections. They could get some seats in the Majles proportionate to their votes (depending on the electoral system).

On the notion of terrorism, in my view the PMOI does not fit the definition of terrorism, especially as used in the State Department for the FTO list. Many authoritative sources such as the courts in the UK and EU in several cases, made the crucial findings that the PMOI was not a terrorist entity. In the past several months large number of former high ranking officials, including the former Attorney General Mukasy and the Director of the FBI Louis Freeh have explicitly stated the position that the PMOI does NOT belong to the FTO. These former high officials know more about American law than I do (by a factor of zillion).

The PMOI has used armed struggle against the terrorist regime. One may agree or disagree with their method of struggle. But terrorism has a definition. Not any use of violence is defined as terrorism.  In my view, the fact that the US killed Osama bin Laden does not fit the definition of terrorism.

You and I may not like it, but the PMOI does not pose a threat to the US national security; therefore, it does not fit to the definition used for the State Department FTO. You can call the US, no. 1 terrorist in the world. That is your right (and I as a civil libertarian defend your RIGHT to say this) to say this. But the point is can the PMOI provide some services for the U.S. government. If the answer is "yes," then it appears to me that it fits the criteria for being de-listed.

You may also oppose their politics. But differences of politics is not the criteria for inclusion.

What does not make sense to me, is to argue that the PMOI is terrorist and the IRI is not terrorist.

MK

What strange series of debates

The blog has gone through!

Dear VPK, Suri, SK don't waste your time!

         Someone obviously has a full time job spreading absurdities on this site. Every group and political interest has a rep. here I suppose.

       Don't you think Israel intelligent services have a representative on this site? So is Monarchists and most other groups. Masoud claims NIAC has its own rep. here and he may be correct in his assertion for a change! :-)

       It is just naive to think such a popular site for Iranians is left alone by political interest groups. Nothing wrong with that as long as they are honest and present themselves as such!

       Of course some of us are just ordinary Iranians.  The thing about MEK/POMI is that they are so despised by Iranians that they can not come out explicitly and say so. I won't accuse Masoud to be the one but it's fair to say burden is on him to prove otherwise!

    I think I have made my points clearly and conviencingly in my previous posts. So I call it a night! :-)

     My thanks to everyone who is standing for fair and civilized exchange of ideas and TRUTH!

R2-D2 jaan

Dear R2-D2,

That was my opinion. My opinion may be right or it may be wrong. Ms. Shifteh’s posts and contributions have been truly fantastic and most valuable. I am grateful to her for her posts.

If my opinion is wrong, she could correct me. I will take her word.

Best,

Masoud

Masoud Jaan

Thank you for this interesting and fun blog ;)

The only surprise to me was Shifteh Ansari - I used to read her "Real Time" coverage of the demonstrations in Iran -

I always considered her to be in "Our Camp", and not in the Reformist factions of fundamentalist oligarchy (jenah eslahtalab Nezam Velayat Faqih) Camp :) !

Well ..... I guess I learnt something new today :) !

Tks,

R D

In terms of its domestic policy

of course it is ...... but it is not as bad as MEK .... cause if IRI terrorizes its opponents it at least has some mercy on its own supporters.

I actually feel bad for MEK supporters much more than its opponents 

LOL 

Suri

shab bekheir

A Very Simple Question

Soosan khanoom,

The question is very simple:

Is the regime ruling Iran a terrorist entity?

Masoud

yes, i know

I know you taught classes on terrorism. I have read your resume:

"Dr. Kazemzadeh's research interests include democratization, post-Cold
War international system, terrorism, Islamic fundamentalism, and U.S.
Foreign Policy."

i know that you got even an award (or two?) in teaching. 

But I just don't agree with you on that.

Bonne nuit.

MK

wait a minute !!!

I dismiss the U.S biased List .... and you know it but you like to change the subject ...... 

Now if you want to discuss with me about IRI domestic policies that is something else . 

 here we go again

IRI= Spanish Inquisitions 

enough said .. end of discussions ... and thanks for your time ...

honestly thank you  :)

for Suri on definition of terrorism

Suri,

1. Golshan is credible. All they have done is photocopy the actual Tudeh Party’s official paper, and scan it and place them there. They have also provided FULL citation, with dates and all.

2. As a matter of fact, I have taught classes on terrorism. There are many definitions of terrorism. Terrorism does includes domestic use of violence by the government against its own citizens.

One definition that many scholars use is this:

the use of violence against non-combatant for political purposes.

The vf regime use of rape, and assassination is violence

the non-violent Iranians are non-combatants

the vf regime does it for political purposes (remain in power, intimidate others)

Sorry for keeping you up. Go to sleep. This is my last post to you (unless you change your mind and ask me questions).

Masoud

Why Dismissing the Evidence that IRI is TERRORIST?

Soosan khanoom,

See, you dismiss all the solid evidence on the fact that the Islamic Republic of Iran’s rulers have been TERRORIST. The fundamentalists have mass murdered, mass tortured, and mass raped so many of the Iranian people. Still, you say, lets agree to disagree!!!!!

You do NOT accept that the vf regime has assassinated non-violent Iranians in the so-called chain murders??????? There are dozens and dozens of them being murdered before the murders of Parvaneh and Dariush Forohar, including Dr. Sami, who was a devout Muslim.

There are authoritative sources on all these, but you still insist that the IRI is not TERRORIST!!!!!!

YOU dismiss all these solid evidence about the FACT that the IRI has been and is a terrorist entity. WHY?????????

Masoud

Golshan.com ?!!! Eh ?

LOL,

Who did help you with that Masoud jon? Did you go to MG (H-T) library?

Salam beresoon :)

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Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

Again

Don't mix and match all things you want, Masoud jon.

I know that Khomeini was alive (akheh baba !!!!) and I know that he was the Supreme Leader at that time (thanks for the info) but ....

I repeat, that statement was only agains those 3 men who supported and funded the Ekhvan-ol-Moselming and the Hamas organization to kinda export the Islamic Republic. Khomeini has nothing to do with that. and Toudeh had nothing to do with Khomeini on that !!!

So all your line of hypothesis and deduction is based on false accusation.

So is your statment of : the mass murder and mass rape of the people during the past 30 years in Iran ......  is an act of terrorism.

Yes, litterally you are right. It is also right to say that my boss terrorize me at work!

But in Politics, the word TERRORISM has its specific meaning and it does not include attrocities of a government toward its Nation!!!

Too bad, but it is true!

According to the US statment, Hashemi Rafsanjani and Mousavi are (How you say tahte ta'ghib ??) and they can't leave Iran (they can just go to Malesia and a few other countries) otherwise they will  be captured  by the Interpol. But this has never been the case of Khomeini, and believe me this was not because the US department was shy about that!!! only  because Khomeini did not fill in that specific category despite all your desires and efforts)

Okay now, I am really tired a and no  more interested in this debate.

bye.

Tudeh Party Supporting Khomeini and Attacking Demcrats and Left

Documents on the support of Tudeh Party for Khomeini dictatorship and attacking liberal democrats and leftist forces

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/jomhoori.html

Tudeh Party attacks the leftist forces who opposed Khomein; Tudeh Party calls them united with imperialists counter-revolutionaries : (see the 8th from the top):

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

full support for Khomeini (see the 11th from the top)

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

also see the 12th, 14th, and 15th,

the 16th from the top:  attacking pro-democracy forces writing that we were united with US imperialists

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

Tudeh viciously attacked Ayatollah Shariatmadari’s party (18th)

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

attacking other Marxists in the 20th from the top:

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

Attacking liberal democrats, leftists and accusing us all of working for imperialism.

The last one

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

MK

I said ,  it should not be on top of the list ...... NUMBER ONE is an honor that should only be applied to the U.S when it comes to its foreign policy ...  BY the way, Iran is on that list due to its foreign policy not its domestic policy.  

And that list is only based on the security of the state of Israel not even the security of the U.S. 

Let us agree to disagree ....  

Khomeini was the Supreme Leader of IRI

Suri jaan,

Khomeini was the Supreme Leader of IRI. He was alive and in control and giving the orders in 1984. Khomeini died in June 1989.

MK

IRI is in FACT Terrorist

SK: You two are right on points in your arguments about MEK ... Defending MEk by no means make sense ..... It is like letting Nazi sympathizers open an office in Tel Aviv .... LOL

Just change the IRI for MEK and you get:

You two are right on points in your arguments about IRI ... Defending IRI by no means make sense ..... It is like letting Nazi sympathizers open an office in Tel Aviv .... LOL

You do not consider the no. 1 terrorist entity in the world as "terrorist." The U.S. government does. I do. Many man experts do. According to your logic and the logic of VPK and Disenchated, you are an IRI terrorist. Do YOU see the logic? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Or as we say, 1 bam va 2 hava nemisheh. Or as they says, it double-standard, or hypocrisy.

How in the world anyone could not accept that the takeover of the U.S. embassy is not a terrorist act? How could anyone not accept that the Lebanese Hezbollah that the IRI helped create and which murdered non-combatants is not terrorist? How could anyone not accept the assassinations of literary figures and non-violent people is not terrorist? The order to murder Parvaneh Eskandari-Forouahr and Darish Forouhar was ordered by the highest officials of the IRI and there is evidence that Supreme Leader Khamenei ordered it.

How the mass torture, mass rape and the killings in the past 30 years not be terror?????? How in the world purposeful violence against non-violent people by the IRI not be terrorism??????

MK

Masoud

The statement you mentioned was not about Khomeini. It was stated against the IRI. More precisely it was about Hashemi Rafsanjani, Mousavi and another guy which my memory can't help to remember his name.

You first say Khomeini was a Terrorist. Then you talk about the US statement of 1984 . As I mentioned in my last comment, this has no sense to me.

I can't discuss with you anymore, Masoud jon.

You are right, every thing you say is right.

Have a good night.