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I am sorry that you've taken

I am sorry that you've taken my response to your question personally. But what I said was, the argument (emphasis on the argument) was typical of Islamist's demagogic argument.

If you think Iran is bad now...

Dear compatriots,

There's something that the Iranians who support an attack on Iran haven't considered: if you think conditions are bad in Iran now, you should see how bad they will become if Iran is attacked. Iran will become as miserable as Iraq is now, and Iranians will curse those pro-war people for getting them involved in this mess, while those same people comfortably sit in their homes thousands of miles away. If you truly care about the Iranian people, think about this. Thank you.

Anonymous

Nazanine, Mr. Rafsanjani (and all Iranian Leaders today) intermix zionists and jews- Please listen to his speech. Zionisim is code word for JEW. Again listen to the speech. Additionally, there are about 14 million jews in the world (6 million live in israel, 6 million live in the US). 99% of jews around the world support Israel (hence they are zionists). So my point is that whether you say zionist or israelis, its jews they are talking about. Please don't play with words and answer my question. You have a habit of dodging the questions people pose to you. I asked specific questions below:

Again, You nicely and politically try to avoid this by saying that zionist were being a pain in the 40's as Neema and Rafsanjani say.

1) Can you please provide facts that support Rafsanjani's statement that ZIONISTS were a pain in Europe in the 40's (or prior to WWII) to the European governments?

2) Is Rafsnajani saying that they killed the jews in Europe so they can send the Zionist to Palestine?

3)What is the difference between the jews and the zionists who went to palestine after WWII?

4) Do Rafsanjani, Ahmadinejad or YOU have any numbers that distinguishes between jews who went and zionists who went to palestine after WWII?

Please read Rafsanjani's statement again. I will break it down for you:

A.Hashemi Rafsanjani: Europe resolved a great problem – the problem of the Zionist danger. The Zionists, who constituted a strong political party in Europe, caused much disorder there. Since they had a lot of property and controlled an empire of propaganda, they made the European governments helpless.

CAN YOU TELL ME WERE THE ZIONIST WERE A STRONG POLITICAL PARTY?

CAN YOU RELL ME HOW MUCH PROPERTY THE ZIONIST HAD IN EUROPE SINCE RAFSANJANI SAYS THEY HAD PROPERTY?

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THE ZIONIST CONTROLLED AN EMPIRE OF PROPAGANDA IN EUROPE?

AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE NAZI's USED TO SAY THESE THINGS ABOUT JEWS NOT ABOUT ZIONISTS. PLEASE, TELL ME IF I AM INCORRECT.

WHY HAVE THE JEWS OF EUROPE, WHO SUPPOSEDLY CONTROLED EVERYTHING BACK THEN ARE LABELED ZIONISTS BY THE ISLAMIC REGIME? CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS DISTINCTION?

What Hitler and the German Nazis did to the Jews of Europe at that time was partly due to these circumstances with the Jews.

SO HERE HITLER DID IT BECAUSE OF THE "CIRCUMSTANCES
WITH THE JEWS" NOT BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES WIT H THE ZIONIST?

They wanted to expel the Zionists from Europe because they always were a pain in the neck for the governments there.

AND IN THE NEXT SENTENCE IT BECOMES ZIONIST?

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE DISTINCTION FOR US?

This is how this calamity fell upon the Muslims, especially the Palestinians, and you all know this history, more or less.

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The first goal was to save Europe from the evil of Zionism, and in this, they have been relatively successful.

SO IS RAFSANJANI SAYING THAT WHEN THEY SENT THE HOLOCUST SURVIVORS TO PALESTINE (OR THE ZIONIST TO PALAESTINE), THAT THERE WERE NO MORE ZIONISTS IN EUROPE?

Anonymous

He does state that. However, his statement has nothing to do with Hitler's intent to exterminate Jews! Like Nema wrote, it is in the context of political Zionism being a pain and not the Jews. Hope that helps.

And Anyone who doesn't want

And Anyone who doesn't want Iran to be rulled, and the country ruined, are pro-WAR according to some fanatics writing their comments. I don't know the writers who are being attacked in Iranian.com (those writing about not wanting Iran to continue being the hell it is under Mullahs regime), but what I do know is that 99.99% of Iranians and people of Iranian origin do not want Iran to face more hangings and stoning and people get killed in the street. And for the record, that's a fact.

RAFSANJANI SPEECH-2nd REQUEST

Dear nmilaninia (AND WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO RESPOND),

I listened to the Rafsanjani Speech and in farsi he stated the following about jews and zionists:

"hamishe mooyeh damagh dolat ha boodan"

Can you please give us your translation of the above sentence.

below is the direct translation from memritv.
Can you please advise if any of the statements by Mr. Rafsanjani are accurate, true or false?

Following are excerpts from a Friday sermon on "International Jerusalem Day" by Hashemi Rafsanjani, chairman of the Iranian Assembly of Experts and of the Expediency Council, which aired on Channel 1, Iranian TV, on October 5, 2007:

Hashemi Rafsanjani: Europe resolved a great problem – the problem of the Zionist danger. The Zionists, who constituted a strong political party in Europe, caused much disorder there. Since they had a lot of property and controlled an empire of propaganda, they made the European governments helpless. What Hitler and the German Nazis did to the Jews of Europe at that time was partly due to these circumstances with the Jews. They wanted to expel the Zionists from Europe because they always were a pain in the neck for the governments there. This is how this calamity fell upon the Muslims, especially the Palestinians, and you all know this history, more or less.

[...]

The first goal was to save Europe from the evil of Zionism, and in this, they have been relatively successful.

Anyone who doesn't want Iran

Anyone who doesn't want Iran to be attacked, bombed, Iranians killed, and the country ruined, are pro-IRI according to some fanatics writing their comments. I don't know the writers who are being attacked in Iranian.com (those writing about not wanting Iran to become another ruined Iraq), but what I do know is that 99.99% of Iranians and people of Iranian origin do not want Iran to be attacked and people get killed and the country ruined (and it doesn't have anything to do with their individual opinions on Ahmadeinejad and/or the Islamic Republic). And for the record, that's a fact.

to nazanin-ghasemian! Now we

to nazanin-ghasemian!

Now we hear from Nema's girl!! Come on! Beside his pal Trita Parsi and IRI agents who would take him seriously?!

Response to Fred

Fred,

You show your weak intellectual hand when you accuse anyone you dislike of being "an Islamist"; as it happens, I'm an agnostic married to a non-practicing Christian woman. I only bring that up, because you insist on labelling me "an Islamist".

1) I bring up the fact that the Shah started Iran's nuclear program to point out that it is a national policy that predates the current regime. It is not the mollahs' program; it is Iran's program, and it will remain so after the IRI is gone.

2) Re "why do they bring up their nemeses nuclear arm capability in to every discussion":

I don't think that's true, but even if it were, could it have something to do with the hypocrisy of the U.S. supporting Pakistan and Israel, which have actual nuclear weapons, while targeting Iran under the pretext that, at some point in the future it might have the capability of developing nuclear weapons? (Remember how the WMD lie was used to justify the invasion of Iraq; the nuclear issue is a pretext that the U.S. has seized upon; in fact, it has recently downplayed that somewhat and switched to accusations of Iranian "interference" in Iraq, which is admittedly quite funny coming from an occupying power. Before there was any nuclear program, the U.S. was targeting Iran in the 1980s through its proxy, Saddam. If there weren't any nuclear program, the U.S. would seize on some other pretext, as history has already proven).

3) I'm glad that you "would be satisfied if they stop maiming, lashing, hanging human beings as a matter of state policy". I too would be happy to see such a thing. I would also be happy if Iran didn't have to face foreign threats like it did when Saddam invaded the country with the full backing of the U.S., Britain, France, and Germany. The same countries who gave him chemical weapons then are now imposing sanctions on Iran and threatening it with attack.

Neutralizing foreign threats and improving the welfare of the people are not mutually exclusive.

4) And yes, the 2 main wings of the opposition, i.e. the Rajavists and Pahlavists, are intimately connected to the U.S. government. I'm sorry that hurts your sensitivities, but it's true.

Please check out Nema's blog

Nema is actually very critical of the Iranian government and he explains his statements thoroughly. Most of you miss it because it's not in the expatriate language - 'marg bar' 'poop on mullah' 'islamist terror lover' 'apologist' yadda yadda. That is why he is taken seriously by people outside the Iranian-American community. Hopefully, some of you will try to catch up.

nema! and you are Echuu

nema!

and you are Echuu Shen-Jon? or is it your good english that makes you an Unknown human male! you still haven't told us why you hate the U.S. but live here! What's with you and IRA?

When did sex bro become Yoda?

Or is it just bad english, its beyond me...still, no analysis about "wrong conclusiosn"

Islamic mullas will use nuclear weapon if .

Fred, in an earlier post, did accurately stated Rafsenjani's infamous nuclear doctrine, albeit borrowed from bankrupt East Block that a nuclear war is survivable when the population balance is greatly in favor of one side. What Fred didn't mention was Khamenie's speech a few months later. During inauguration of latest missile (shahab whatever), he bluntly said that this weapon will be used against Israel to defend Hezbollah in Lebanon and Philistine (NO mention of the weapon being used to defend IRAN). His speech was posted everywhere even in Keyhan, but it was quickly removed the next day when they realized they actual printed that druggie's blunter.

There is no doubt in my mind that mullas will use nuclear weapon, even against Iranians, if they get their hands on one.

Fox News Like rest of USA Licks Zionists Balls

What do you expect? All the media in the United States along with our politicians are sucking Israel's balls and ass. We are being raped by Israel and no one says anything!!!

Nema! idiot conclusions are

Nema!

idiot conclusions are you are known for!

Rafsanjani's Speech

Dear nmilaninia,

I listened to the Rafsanjani Speech and in farsi he stated the following about jews and zionists:

"hamishe mooyeh damagh dolat ha boodan"

Can you please give us your translation of the above sentence.

below is the direct translation from memritv.
Can you please advise if any of the statements by Mr. Rafsanjani are accurate, true or false?

Following are excerpts from a Friday sermon on "International Jerusalem Day" by Hashemi Rafsanjani, chairman of the Iranian Assembly of Experts and of the Expediency Council, which aired on Channel 1, Iranian TV, on October 5, 2007:

Hashemi Rafsanjani: Europe resolved a great problem – the problem of the Zionist danger. The Zionists, who constituted a strong political party in Europe, caused much disorder there. Since they had a lot of property and controlled an empire of propaganda, they made the European governments helpless. What Hitler and the German Nazis did to the Jews of Europe at that time was partly due to these circumstances with the Jews. They wanted to expel the Zionists from Europe because they always were a pain in the neck for the governments there. This is how this calamity fell upon the Muslims, especially the Palestinians, and you all know this history, more or less.

[...]

The first goal was to save Europe from the evil of Zionism, and in this, they have been relatively successful.

LIAR LIAR, Them pants in fire.

Once again the drums of war are roaring in Washington DC.

Once again the signs and signals of a pending US/Israeli attack on yet another country, this time Iran, are heard louder than ever.

As a major ideological intervention in aiding and abetting the US/Israel "war on terrorism".

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjFrezxIMAQ

For this military machinery to work best, the threat of violence or state of war is a more effective tool for creating fear and sustaining hegemony, than is the actual fact of violence or event of war.,

which is effectively the neutralising moment of its catharsis.

The key to sustaining the state of war, the warmongers in Washington DC seem to have learned, is to constantly keep alive an immanent specter of the enemy by fear and streotype.

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give me a break

comparing Fox news with National Socalist radio shows how ignornat and how stupid you islamo facist supporters and islamic appologists are. As if one to believe a filthys anti sematic scum bag murderer theif like Rafasenjani is some how incapable of making these kind of statements! ya right. go litsen to BBC!

Those who care to know, know

There is no question abou Fox distorting and influencing the events. Its just a known event, even the red necks, smirch
when they talk of the fox "news". Their strategy is to wrap themselves in flag, bible and accuse any opposing view of antisemitism. Everyone knows that, unfortunately, they are now
bigger than CNN. And Hillary Clinton knows the power of the wing nuts, look at how she voted on Iran, mind you she is the only democrat who did that, she will pull a Liberman
//www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/14/453...
On the other hand Ron Paul is a true patriot

//iranian.com/main/singlepage/2007/ron-pa...

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Nuclearized stone age Republic

This is typical of Islamist’s demagogic argument.
1- Aryamehr as you refer to the last king of Iran might or might not have begun the Nuclear arm acquisition process, what that has got to do with the argument at hand or the price of tea in China?
2-Assuming that he did, who said that he was in the right? News flash, he was ejected by the dejected nation, remember the revolution?
3-The Village Mullahs ruling Iran and mullah lovers claim civilian usage is the goal, then why do they bring up their nemeses nuclear arm capability in to every discussion.
4-This CASMII enthralled NIAC mesmerizes chap wants to have it both ways, denigrate the opposition to the Mullah Republic by connecting them to US and by accentuating the abundance of wrong policies of the US and at the same time downplaying the murderous Republic policies.
5-They are claiming nuclear program is part and parcel of their scientific march toward Islamic progress, I for one would be satisfied if they stop maiming, lashing, hanging human beings as a matter of state policy. And while they are at it do something about the non availability of potable water in the cities and villages not too far away from their nuclear thingy, notably Bandar Abbas, Khoramshahr, Abadan, let alone hundreds upon hundreds of stone age hamlets.

Fred, can you name the only country to use atom bombs?

Iran has not launched an invasion of another since 1739. The US government is the world's leading napalmer, warmonger, and carpet-bomber. Iran's nuclear program was started by the Aryamehr. Now the current regime is continuing what he started. And the regime that follows the IRI will inherit it from them--just like Russia inherited the USSR's nuclear program.

bashful amateur Islamist

The problem with the Islamist Republic apologists/bashful amateur defenders is that their Islamist psyche does not allow them to factor in the possibility that their audience outside captive Iran can respond to their bologna. The same Rafsanjani is the one who in his infamous December 14, 2001 televised Sunday prayer sermon said: “If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world". When you take that straight forward statement then you can deduce the rest from his double entendres. The Islamist lobby is burdened by the age of technology, no sir khodeti!

The Zionist grip...

The Zionist grip on the Western media is so that any criticsm Of Israel or Zionism is portrayed as anti-semitism and/or Holocust denial. That's why any negative mention of the Israeli agressions or atrocities commited by the IDF in Western (American in particular) media is considered crossing the red-lines unless one's in wish of career suicide! Even in the Middle East where the critique of the Israeli policies is a pertinent issue with regards to the politics of the region, the leaders (not withstanding the power of oil card) refrain from any direct mention of Israel in fear of American and Israeli reprisals. In some cases such as Turkey or to lesser extent, Jordan the leaders prostitute themselves to the Israelies and provide intelligence hubs in hope of scoring points with Washington and Tel Aviv. No wonder Americans try to pass Turkey as the model society for the region as opposed to these "anti-semites"! Here is an interesting Q&A article in this regard: //www.payvand.com/news/07/oct/1072.html

BFD, oh ya Rafsanjani loves Israel...

And your mother loves small dick.

what inaccuracies?

sex-bro.  Don't make ignorant remarks, point out the inaccuracies if you think i've committed any, especially with respect to this post.  Just because I'm Fox News propaganda or war with Iran does not attest to my position vis-a-vis the Iranian government nor is it tantamount to support for Rafsanjani, so don't make those idiot conclusions.

How do they get away with this?

Jeesh you're absolutely right. 'Never Again' is one of the most important lessons of the Holocaust, but then Iran-Iraq war happened with US/Arab help. Now Darfur. 'Never Again' only applies to Jews. In Munich the main agent's mom says "Israel: a place for Jews among Jews". Iranians never had that. And we never have a place we can return safely. We're displaced, often scared to go to our homeland (not even for political reasons!). Thanks for posting this Nema.

Oppose all warmongering pigs, whether Iranian or American

Any filthy animal who supports an attack on Iran should have the guts to pick up a gun and go fight the Iranian people. Uncle Sam already tried to crush Iran by supporting Saddam's invasion, use of chemical weapons, and bombing of Iranian cities in the 1980s. Any Iranian who supports the napalming scum of the U.S. government is a subhuman and will meet the same fate that the traitors who worked with Saddam will face.

Jews ARE pain in the neck! (of course I am kidding)

Otherwise why should I pay $1.25 for a simple bagle and add another 5o cents for cream cheese?

I think they are pain in the neck unless bagle prices come down....

It was the British that wanted Hitler to elliminate the Jews (the way they did) so that Germany go down the drain for more than 50 years (and they did). Germany was conned into that grave mistake and the same British pulled United States into the war at the end....The crimes that Germans committed against the Jews were not isolated cases to the Hitler's government, it was a worldwide conspiracy. Just like what Iran is going through today. Today's Iranians are as innocent as the Jews were in the WWII. We have no protection and the world is against us. And worse than that our own government is against us. Who will save our souls?

This is our Holocaust. Who will save us?

The British won the war! Things are not as simple as they look...And you are sir sitting in London and just bad mouthing America! Are you worried that British get on your case? And again I am just kidding you, don't worry. We have a free nation here at least....but I know there are lots of restrictions in England.

serious inaccuracies

NEMA!

You know absolutely nothing about anything. As far as you are concerned, anything done by IRI is great, and anything done on the U.S. soil or by the Americans is even worse. You are not qualified to express an opinion on anything due to that lack of knowledge. All your writings on iranian.com and at your web page attest to serious inaccuracies and testify to lack of your understanding.