Ali on Truth/Ultimate Reality

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Ali on Truth/Ultimate Reality
by NUR
29-Mar-2009
 

By Wahid Azal 

لا اله الا الله

In this age of widespread unbelief, skepticism and the nihilistic ‘death of God’, where irreligious agnosticism competes with crass, literalist fundamentalist religious discourses, few are those succinct yet profoundly deep and multifaceted definitions of Truth and Ultimate Reality offered by a major figure of the Abrahamic Tradition that can stir imaginations endlessly and resonate on so many different levels as the hadîth kumayl of ‘Alî.

Not to be confused with the famous Du'a Kumayl (the supplication of Kumayl), and also known as the hadîth al-haqîqa (the Tradition of Ultimate Reality), this report (khabar) is  a Zen-like conversation between the first Shi’ite Imâm and his disciple Kumayl ibn Zîyâd al-Nakhâ’î. As we shall presently see, it is a dialogue between a Master and disciple where the conversation  explodes into a theopathic, initiatic doxography by the Master-Hierophant and Imâm-Initiator enigmatically self-disclosing (tajallî) six theophanic layers of Truth, or Ultimate Reality: a discourse where the atemporal reality of the Transcendent Divine progressively unfolds its stages and finally reveals Itself as embodied within the spatiotemporal locus of the Master himself. If Sufism’s entire doctrine of the Master/disciple relationship is laconically  illustrated here in graphic, metaphysical form it is because it is from such influential wellsprings of High Imamology that Sufism initially drank its draughts of inspiration, viz. the esoteric sayings, teachings and transmissions of the Shi’ite Imâms who are in Islam the bearers of the station of Providential Guidance (wilâya) par excellence.  

 

In the margins of his book Bahr al-Asrâr (The Sea of Secrets), the Ni’matullahî Sufî, Muzaffar ‘Alî Shâh Kirmânî, provides a complete isnâd (chain of narration) for this hadîth. Henry Corbin also cites material in his En islam iranien (Iranian Islam) vol. 1 which shows that this tradition was actually included in the earliest manuscript versions of the Nahj’ul-Balagha (the Peak of Eloquence) itself, but that it was subsequently excised by future generations of literalists and exotericists due to its explicitly gnostic (‘irfânî) and esoteric itinerary. From the time of Sharîf al-Râzî in the 10th-11th centuries CE onwards, however, the exoteric establishment of the Shi’ite mujtahids (i.e. the fuqahâ) has predominantly considered this tradition to be inauthentic. On the other side of the spectrum, the entirety of the Shi’ite gnostic milieu (i.e. the ‘urafâ) consider it to be tout court authentic in every detail. And against the consensus of the majority of his own colleagues, it appears that the Ayatollah Khomeini himself considered this tradition to be genuine - placing him in a rather interesting assemblage of people who, contrary to other issues, would wholeheartedly agree with him here. Whatever the case may be as to the textual origins of the hadîth kumayl’ and its authenticity, there is a well known aphorism in Shi’ite gnosis and esotericism that whenever in the presence of this or other such similar locutions of elevated Truth attributed to one or another amongst the People of the House (ahl al-bayt), it is indeed the Imâm who speaks!  

Amongst the countless commentaries over the centuries, the hadîth kumayl’ was famously commented on by the Shi’ite student of Ibn ‘Arabî, ‘Abdu’l-Razzâq Kâshâni as well as by Sayyid Haydar Amûlî, ‘Abdu’l-Razzâq Muhammad Lâhijî, Ibn Abî Jumhûr al-Ahsâ’î, briefly by Mullâ Sadrâ and his son-in-law Muhsin Fayz Kâshânî, Shaykh Ahmad al-Ahsâ’î and Siyyid Kâzim Rashtî, to name a few. To Siyyid ‘Alî Muhammad Shîrazî, the Bâb, this hadîth  functioned as a high spiritual proof-text, as it were, and as such he divided the six years of his turbulent, revelatory ministry from 1260 A.H./1844 C.E. to 1266 A.H./1850 C.E. according to its six theophanic trajectories. For us this hadîth has for years functioned as an inexhaustible and endless source of meditation and inspiration, composing a central aspect of our own esoteric commentary on the calligram of the traditional Greatest Name symbol (ism al-a‘zam) 

 

It should be mentioned that this hadîth is the subject of an exclusive forthcoming study by  Herman Landolt and Bruce Wannell, which is to be published by the Institute of Ismâ’ili Studies in London,  entitled  A Tradition of Esoteric Commentary: Imam ‘Ali’s Hadith al-haqiqa. Reza Shah- Kazemi of the same outfit has also devoted an entire chapter to it in his recent spiritual biography of the Commander of the Faithful entitled Justice and Remembrance: Introducing the Spirituality of Imam ‘Ali. The only published European language article on the subject remains Dwight M. Donaldson’s ‘Al-Kumail: A Companion of the Secret’, The Moslem World, 28, 1938, pp. 249-257.

Here now we offer our translation of the hadîth kumayl’ followed by the Arabic text.

   

Kumayl: O Commander of the Faithful, what is Ultimate (or absolute) Reality [or Truth]?

‘Ali: What have you and Ultimate Reality to do with each other?

Kumayl: Is it not the case that I am already sharing your secrets as a companion?

Ali: Yes, indeed. But that which sprinkles unto you is billowing through me unto you!

Kumayl: So what is Ultimate Reality [or Truth]?

‘Ali: (1) The disclosure of the Majesties of Glorification without indication!

Kumayl: Please explain further.

‘Ali: (2) The [apophatic] negation of all speculation and the realization of that which can be realized!

Kumayl: Please tell me more.

‘Ali: (3) The nullificative annihilation of the secret by the victorious rending of the veil off the mystery of the secret!

Kumayl: Please explicate further.

‘Ali: (4) The attraction of the Divine Oneness by the attributive apprehension of Divine Unicity!

Kumayl: Please explain further.

‘Ali: (5) A Light Illuminating from the Morning-Dawn of Pre-Eternity and shedding its traces upon the tablets of the Talismanic-Temples of Unicity!

Kumayl: Please tell me more.

‘Ali: (6) So extinguish the lamp for the dawn hath indeed arisen! 

 علي مع الحق و الحق مع علي  

يا اميرالمؤمنين ما الحقيقة

فقال ما لك والحقيقة

فقال او لست صاحب سرّك  

قال بلى ولكن يرشح عليك ما يطفح منى

فقال ما الحقيقة

كشف سبحات الجلال من غير اشارة

فقال زدنى بيانا

محو الموهوم و صحو المعلوم

فقال زدنى بيانا

قال هتك الـّستر لغلبة السرّ

فقال زدنى بيانا

قال جذب الاحدية  لصفة التؤحيد

فقال زدنى بيانا

نور اشرق من صبح الازل فيلوح على هياكل التؤحيد آثاره

فقال زدنى بيانا

فاطف السراج فقد طلع الصبح

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Once  Cancer is recognized it is removed from healthy tissue."

Barak'allah! I was waiting to hear exactly something like this from you. If the Orthodox Baha'is and the critics of your cult are deemed by you cancer requiring removal, pray tell, why do you people then complain when the majoritarian society of Iran and the Islamic republic deem you Bahaim an insidious cancer requiring removal and permanent cure from amongst their midst? To orthodox Shi'ite Muslims Bahaism is a real cancer equal - if not more insidious - than the "cancer of Covenant Breakers" and Orthodox Baha'is amongst the Haifan Baha'is. 

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(Bahaim, Hebrew plural of 'Behemot', meaning 'beast' or 'animal')

Start HERE (Sourcewatch): //www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith

&

Baha'i Internet Agency //www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Ag...

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SECTS OF BAHAIS: A Taxonomy of Baha'i Sects, //www.sectsofbahais.com/

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Documentary film by independent Israeli film maker Naama Pyritz:
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//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

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US NSA vs OBF (Orthodox Baha'i Faith)

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//trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html

Judge's decision
//www.truebahai.info/court/139-opinion.pdf

**Appellate hearing (Feb 2009)***
//www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/LF1FFZY0.mp3

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BAHAI Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

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biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
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BAHAI NOTIONS of FREEDOM of CONSCIENCE according to EX-UHJ member DOUGLAS MARTIN --  Monday, September 23, 2001

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convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is
supreme is equivalent to "taking partners with God" which is abhorrent to the Teachings of the Faith
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at,
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11) How Do you Sleep at night?

 


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عزيزي السيد نور ، وأنا أكتب هذا في العربية ، لأنني أعرف أنك سوف تفهم على نحو أفضل كما هي لغتك اللسان. إذا كنت تحب الإسلام ، والإسلام في كل طابع الكثير ، لماذا لا يمكنك الانتقال إلى المملكة العربية السعودية أو النجف ، بحيث تستطيع أن تكون بجانب ضبط سفاح pedophile الحبيب علي بن Abitalib؟ في العالم ما تفعلون على Iranian.com؟ هذا الموقع مخصص لقضايا ايران. نحن لا نهتم التاريخ العربي. في الواقع ، نحن نحاول القضاء على هذا الفصل المظلم من تاريخنا. لذا ، يرجى التوقف عن الكتابة عن هذه الهرطقة. تبذلونها معتوه من نفسك.


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So ?Once CANCER is recognized it is removed from the healthy

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So what? Source watch as much as you want. 

I dont think any parent wants innocent, healthy young spirits exposed to the Cancer of lies, distortion and Division.

Once  Cancer is recognized it is removed from healthy tissue.


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Crocodile tears By Azalis/Bayanis!

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رقیبان ازلیِ بهائیت، نخستین مروجان نظریه‌ توطئه

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آن ‌گونه که خانم مانگول بیات در کتاب "نخستین انقلاب ایران؛ تشیع و انقلاب مشروطیت 1909-1905"
(Iran's First Revolution: Shi'ism and the Constitutional Revolution of 1905-1909)

آورده است، ازلی ‌ها که در جنبش مشروطیت فعال بودند و از نظر مذهبی رقیب بهائیان به شمار می ‌رفتند، کوشیدند تا با جا انداختن برچسب "ارتباط با خارجی" حقانیت و اصالت دین بهائیت را به پرسش بگیرند.

ازلی‌ها پیروان میرزا یحیی نوری، ملقب به صبح ازل، جانشین محمد علی باب، بنیادگذار آیین بابی، بودند و در آغاز به ضرورت جهاد و براندازی مسلحانه‌حکومت قاجاریه باور داشتند.

میرزا حسین‌علی بهاء (بعدها بهاء الله)، برادر پدری میرزا یحیی نوری بود. پس از مدتی میان دو برادر بر سر جانشینی پدر اختلاف و دشمنی عمیق افتاد. بابیان به دو شاخه‌ ازلی‌ ها و بهائی‌ ها تقسیم شدند. گروه‌ ازلی‌ها دیری نپایید و فروپاشید، اما بهائیان تا به امروز در سراسر جهان روی به گسترش و فزونی نهادند.

از سوی دیگر، بر پایه‌ آنچه در کتاب "بریتانیا و انقلاب مشروطیت ایران 1911-1906؛ سیاست خارجی، امپریالیسم و مخالفت"
(Britain and the Iranian Constitutional Revolution of 1906-1911; Foreign Policy, Imperialism and Dissent(
، نوشته‌منصور بنکداریان آمده است، ارتداد شماری از یهودیان به آیین بابی و بهائی و نیز گرویدن شماری از انگلیسی‌ها به بهائیت، بدگمانی‌ها در باره‌رابطه‌بابی‌ ها و بهائی ‌ها به "بیگانگان" را افزود.

گفتنی است که از آغاز پیدایش بهائیت، شمار فراوانی از روحانیان شیعه و پیروان ادیان دیگر مانند زردتشتی به این دین گرویده ‌اند.

//www.bbc.co.uk/persian/iran/2009/02/090223_a...
مهدی خلجی

پژوهشگر مسايل اسلامی، واشنگتن


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here is what mr NUR is fighting for.Bravo to you for your fake petriotism and your sense of right and wrong mr prophet!
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Faryarm, your Baha'i Internet Agency was Sourcewatched this week. I wonder if you have something to say regarding several items on it, particularly this letter,

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To All National Spiritual Assemblies

Dear Bahá'í Friends,

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Think of me, and all Bayanis, as Islamo-Bayanis. We have no problem with the Tradition - especially the esoteric and mystical Tradition - of Islam. In fact we see ourselves as an intrinsic and central part of it. Where you under a different impression? If so, the impression formed was your own - and all wrong. Perhaps you should crack open real books rather than be brainwashed by Ruhi Institutes from here on out!

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ashhadu an la ilaha illa allah/I testify that there is no god but the Godhead!

wahdahu la sharik lahu/It is One without partner!

wa ashahdu an muhammadan 'abduhu wa rasuluhu/and I testify that Muhammad is Its servant and Its Messenger! 

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ashhadu an la ilaha illa allah haqqan haqqan/there is no god but the Godhead Truly, Truly!

wa ashhadu an 'aliyan qabla nabil mazhar nafs allah/and I testify that 'Ali before Nabil is the manifestation of the Logos-Self of the Godhead! 

It is interesting that amongst the Westoxicated contingency of pseudo-Iranian fascists here - or in Tahirih's case, maybe Perth, Australian contingency of expatriot Americans - we are watching the attitudes and circumstances exhibited in the movie 'V for Vendetta' literally play out before our very eyes. In case anyone has forgotten what this movie is about, the central plot begins with Britain having become a totalitarian Fascist state ruled by the Far-Right Norsefire regime who has banned, amongst other things, Islam and the Qur'an. In the film the Qur'an becomes a poignant symbol of resistance to the tyranny of the regime!

As for Ibn Warraq, this guy is a product of his own PR and that of his Neo-Con and Zionist handlers. Same goes for Ali Sina of faithfreedom.org, who in real life is actually a Baha'i but in cyberspace is doing taqiyya/hikmat. That said, once again, I'd like to extend the challenge to either one of these two gentlemen to a live public debate regarding their propaganda models and warped interpretation of texts and history. 

As for ex-uhj member Douglas Martin's so-called review of Miller's book, Manouchehr jan, do not waste your time with it. Or, rather, read Miller all the way through and then read Martin's trash pseudo-review. You will see for yourself that Martin is much ado about nothing. And just remember, Douglas Martin is the same person who said "freedom of conscience is a dangerous delusion from Christianity"! Miller has its problems, of course, but not for the reasons pointed out by Martin.

And with that said, I say,

La Fata illa 'Ali la Sayf illa Dhu'l-Fiqar! 

 

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skeptism alright read Robert Spencer, Ibn Warraq...

by ya who? (not verified) on

From Ibn Warraq's why the West is the best.

Here is an account of some Moslems, with plenty of books on the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Astaghforellah none is true but its good to know anyways.

//astore.amazon.com/yadnew-20/detail/08797598...

//astore.amazon.com/yadnew-20/detail/15739294...

keep an open mind


Manoucher Avaznia

Faryam Aziz;

by Manoucher Avaznia on

I am happy that people like you who have the knowledge in the field engage their authority and try to clarify matters.  The day is day of sckepticism.  I beleive more than adverse propaganda, the spirit of the age had more to contribute to the people's appathy toward divinity, however I personally think its is dangersous and eventually ruins the spirit, without trying to advise anyone to believe in a divine school of thought or not.

 

Thanks


faryarm

Dear Manoucher Khan..

by faryarm on

Thank you , Manoucher Khan, I do agree, howwever, the review of Millers Book, is useful for the mostly unfamiliar to history and in particular Bahai history as it exposes the kind and quality of scholarship, sources and the dark motives behind the kind of attacks and baseless accusations suffered by Bahais for the last 160 years, by Azalis and others.

Unfortunately, such tired old tactics may by their poison have slowed the progress of Bahai faith, but it certainly has not prevented its discovery by fair minded and pure searching souls.

Fortunately, Bahais can only watch in silent amusement as these dark characters, by their tone, language,  offensive graphics, discredited sources and texts ,reveal their only purpose in life; a life blind to the truth and absent of love and reverence.

regards

faryarm 


Manoucher Avaznia

Faryam Aziz;

by Manoucher Avaznia on

I dearly appreciate your valuable comments and information about missionaries and specifically Miller.  Quite honestly, I can add volumes to their roles in paving the way for the spread of colonialism, enslavement of the non-European peoples, and deculturalization of communities all over the globe.  Also, their ties to their governments and different interprises are not concealed to me.  Nevertheless, we cannot ignore what they say.  A critical reader will not accept everything they say and neither will he reject everything they say.  It is evident in many places of Miller's work, of which I have read about two hundred pages so far, that the author is trying hard to refute Bahai'sm.  Still, from many points of view this is a good book to read.  Keeping onself in darkness is not good.  In no way I am trying to convey that you intend to do that.  I am talking to inquiring skeptical minds; not the people of faith as they have come to their colcusions already and do not need my (little) preaching and I respect them for their faith.

 

Again, I enjoyed your post and thank you for that.


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to Anonymous observer!

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خدمت شما عرض کنم همانطور که شما خودتان را خیلی بهتر از ملل دیگر میدانید در اینجا هم دانمارکی ها خودشان را خیلی خیلی بهتر از من و شمای ایرانی میدونند.
امروزه بسیاری از ایرانی ها خودشان را حتی یک میلی مترهم از کوروش کبیر جدا نمیدانندو این در حالی هست که یکی از ارمانهای بزرگ این ابر مرد تاریخ احترام به حقوق انسانی کلیه شهروندان ایرانی بود به عبارت دیگه احترام به حقوق بشر.

به قول دکتر محمد مصدق :از نظر من مسلمان و بهايی فرق ندارند همه از يك ملت و ايرانی هستند.

بيانيه سازمان سوسياليست های ايران
سه‌شنبه ۲٨ خرداد ۱٣٨۷ - ۱۷ ژوئن ۲۰۰٨

//www.ois-iran.com/start.html


Anonymous Observer

What the %$#@?

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I feel like I'm in a Predetor vs. Aliens movie where two foreign species are fighting on planet Earth.  Here we have the Bahais fighting this Bayani creature over who is right for Iran.  Two foreign religions, both with roots in Arabia, both based on some gibberish half baked philosophy by a power hungry, blood thirsty, manipulative pedophile who couldn't get the "arajeef" in his book straight.  Anyone who has read that compilation of BS called Quran can see how self condradicting it is.  The only consistent themes in it are violence and sex.  And before you call me a Christian or a "Zionist", the same goes for all other Abrahamic philosophies, such as Christianity or Judaism.    

So, please, ladies and gentlemen, if you want to fight over who is correct, "Bahais" or "Bayanis", please take your fight to where it belongs, Arabia, and leave Persia out of this!


Tahirih

Nur, or shall say agent of darkness it is obvious who you are!

by Tahirih on

For a non Muslim you have such a detail information about Hazrate Ali!!

It is great to write about such a great character,but have to say that in doing so you have exposed yourself, at least to me :)))

You are from the depths of Islamic republic . I like it at least I know who we are dealing with.

Is lying 101 the start course that you guys take there:)))) 

Tahirih:))


faryarm

THE MISSIONARY AS HISTORIAN: William Miller and the Bahá'í Faith

by faryarm on

For a fair judgment of William Miller's "scholarship" it would be useful to review the book's approach, its conclusions and examine Miller's sources and real agenda,  eighty years after its was written.

I first came across William Miller’s Book at my college library. It did not take long for me to recognise Miller’s real motive and agenda, when at the time of writing the book in 1931, the respected Rev. Miller dismisses  the Bahá'í Faith as "a dying movement," a minor "sect" which was on the point of disappearing entirely from the world scene: "It is only a matter of time until this strange movement ... shall be known only to students of history."4

continued:

//iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/missionary-historian-william-miller-and-bah-faith


Manoucher Avaznia

Thank you Nur

by Manoucher Avaznia on

For the posting.


NUR

Miller's whole book

by NUR on


Manoucher Avaznia

Nur;

by Manoucher Avaznia on

Sometime ago, in the context of another essay, you posted The Bahai Faith: Its Principles and Teachings by Miller.  What you had posted was only one hundred seventy pages of the over four-hundred-page-long book that was way short of being complete.  Can you, please, post the rest of the book and some missing pages in between as well.

 

Thanks


NUR

what a bigger waste...Westoxication/gharbzadegi

by NUR on

Squandering the earth's resources and wealth bankrolling ponsey schemes benefitting the global elite. If only the global elite had spent this kind of dough that Bernie Madoff blew on BS trying to serve the planet reconstruct its devastated environment. How much of the Amazon rainforests could've been reclaimed just with an eighth of Madoff's scam money?

You two anonymouses are utterly pathetic - not to mention blind as bats in the middle of daylight - but all too typical of a certain uprooted culture of pseudo-Iranians in North America. Islam, and in its Iranian esoteric/mystical version, is the cultural heritage of Iran - at least the cultural heritage of real living Iranians as opposed to Iranians in name such as you lot! Unfortunately most of you sitting in the bubble of Tehrangeles are too intoxicated by your sellout gharbzadegi/Westoxication to appreciate the fact that your cultural heritage, what Henry Corbin called En islam iranien, is one of the most profound spiritual cultures the world has ever seen, rivaling China and India in depth. But as is all too typical, these two Baha'i anonymouses are so enamoured by their blonde haired, blued eyed Anglo-saxon master's bi-farhangi/culture-less  and unrootedness that they must ape the WASP in everything, and so thus have become apes and servants to the WASP themselves.

Also, FYI, this very site is bankrolled by the IRI. Where are you/koja'i? And also, answer this, where the Shah and  Farah agents of the IRI too because esoteric Islam was the Islam they both followed?

You people and those like you two anonymouses are an utter disgrace to humanity, let alone Iran so no wonder the mullahs are still in power in Iran after 30 years. The people of Iran would rather have the mullahs stay indefinitely than have them replaced by Westoxicated WASP apes like you and your Bahaim Zionista friends!

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