Baha'is offer money for silence

Not more words. Action!

I do not want to lose my time with you. I only want justice. Please, write to me to my E-mail when already you has a lawyer (or lawyers) in Peru. With pleasure I will publish the penal judgment here. Up to this moment let's wait. Not more words. Action!
Ama Llula!

Eureka!

Excellent! I wait for you. Here I will denounce you for calumny. You need to live a good time in the jail to learn that you cannot slander with impunity.
But both we know the truth. You will never come to Peru. Your legs tremble before the idea to face me in the courts. Yes, you are "Wahid Azal", a farce.

Calumnies?

Lied shamelessly, you say? Calumnies? How about your 2006 identity theft of me and postings under such identity theft? How about your alias LIB? How about the aid, comfort and collaboration you have provided to those actively involved in genocide against the Quechua people in Amazonia. So what you are Quechua? So were the double-dealing tribes who aided the conquistadores in destroying the Inca and enslaving an entire continent of natives. So are those greedy Quechua guards today armed by the agribussiness and oil companies to kill other, more traditional Quechua. You are just like those two-faced sell-outs, and as such your ultimate fate will be like theirs as well.

Absolutely I will come to your country. There I will, first, hand you over to one of the many powerful native sorcercers I know to deal with you in the native manner for your crimes against the indigenous people of the Amazon in your capacity as collaborationist and employee of the Baha'i agribusinesses aiding in the genocide of the native people of Amazonia; second, I will ensure you are handed over to a commission of inquiry to be grilled over the involvement of your cult with Fujimori and Guzman.

Count on it!

Wahid Azal

Calumnies

You have lied shamelessly on me.
I am an Quechua-apurimeño. I am a teacher of school, and before I was a merchant of small crafts. And the only time that I was in the Amazon of Perú was at the age of ten.
Coward. You must come to my country and prove your calumnies.
Close this blog!

You are a war-criminal and profiteer

On behalf of your employers you are enriching yourself on the blood of innocent indigenous populations living alongside the Amazon river. That blog I put up is the least of your worries.

Wahid Azal 

Credibility

As we can take seriously the words of an individual as Nima Hazini. Mr.Hazini created a website with calumnies against my: //badivillarcardenas.blogspot.com/
My life can be in danger for this Nima Hazini's immoral maneuver.

More on NUR's sorry past...

//iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/early-heartfelt-message-about-nima-wahid-azal-nur-old-friend

Haifan Bahaism's exposure to the world as a dangerous NWO cult!

//www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith

NUR is exposed, finally. Not a pretty sight but here it is...

//iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/source-watch-0

DETNUR

No shame...you answer first SAVAKi

1) Who are you and what is your real name?

2)  What creed or organization do you belong to?

3) What position do you occupy?

4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?

 5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?

6) What are your goals to that end?

7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?

8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?

9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?

10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?

11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?

12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?

13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy? 

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?

See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.

NUR - It is now clear that you are ashamed to answer these Qs

1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling? How do you know?  Any references you can site?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

and finally...

12) Why don't you answer these basic questions? 

Even if you don't have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the answers.

DETNUR

Your answer same as before...SAVAKi

None of your business.

Now answer a few of mine,

1) Who are you and what is your real name?

2)  What creed or organization do you belong to?

3) What position do you occupy?

4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?

 5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?

6) What are your goals to that end?

7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?

8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?

9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?

10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?

11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?

12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?

13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy? 

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?

See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.

NUR - why are you so secretive. Are you ashamed...just answer

1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling? How do you know?  Any references you can site?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

and finally...

12) Why don't you answer these basic questions? 

Even if you don't have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the answers.

DETNUR

None of your business

Your answer ...

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NUR - Just answer these questions

1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

Don't get frustrated, just answer these questions.  Looking in the mirror can't be that bad.  (or is it?)

DETNUR

Only a Baha'i would say that....

Only Baha'is would feign victimhood/mazlum nama'i and plead innocence. I grew up in this insidious community and I know it inside out. Baha'is are exactly as I portray them, and worse.

And here is two sobering quotes from your "Baha'u'llah"

 In
Ma’idih-i-Asmani, vol. 4, page 355
//reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.html

Translation by Wahid Azal (Jan. 7, 2009)

Chapter 11
The Critics of the Cause of God (munkirin-i-amru’llah)

The Ancient Beauty in the Tablet of Habib from Maragha, which begins with “H B hear the call of God from the direction of the throne by the protective signs/verses (bi-ayati muhayyimin)..etc.”  they [i.e. Husayn ‘Ali Nuri] enunciate the command (mi-farmayand) [i.e. state],

By God, the Truth, whomsoever criticizes it [i.e. Baha’ism], [which
is] possessed of the manifest, the brilliant, the high and the perspicuous excellence, it behoveth him to ask his mother [yanbaghi lahu bi-an yas’al min ummihi] about his origins [or ‘state’, i.e.‘hal’, meaning he should inquire his mother about his legitimate
conception – trans.], for he shall return to the nethermost hell
[asfal al-jahim]”…

In Promulgation of Universal Peace p. 322 the following is quoted by ‘Abbas Effendi from a prayer by his father, cf. THE BAHA’I FAITH AND ISLAM (ed.) Heshmat Moayyad (The Association for Baha’i Studies: Ottawa, 1990), p.23
 

O God! Whomsoever violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily whosoever violates My Covenant, erase and efface him.

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Pitiful

This is pitiful. Baha'is are so unlike what you portray. Anyone who knows them knows this.

"Armed with the power of Thy Name,nothing can ever hurt Me, and with Thy love in my heart, all the world afflictions can in no wise alarm me."

- Baha'u'llah

Don't be so sure...Remember "Peace in our Time"

"The chance of Bahai coming to power in Iran is far less than Bush-Cheney WMD lie or wall street crash or 9/11."

Don't be so sure...

"In all these cases there were ample warnings."

Yes, indeed, there was, as there is here as well -- and not just on my say so. There was also ample warning about Hitler in 1938-39, but it didn't stop the Neville Chamberlain's from proclaiming "peace in our time" either. Dig? Same gig here...

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"That people like you and

"That people like you and similar are being actively duped by the violin swan-songs and lies of this cult is testimony to the fact that efforts everywhere must be quadrupled against the nefarious and insidious influence of this organization, its propaganda and its supporters!"

Dast-e shoma dard nakone. I am duped? Why because I do not believe Haifan Bahaism is a fascist entity? Haifan Bahai that is very little known. You call them neo-fascist, good we have some progress. You give the far more credit than they deserve.

Nefarious, insidious and all similar words are propaganda words. You use the same propaganda words as others in similar situation, presumably Haifan Bahais, use. So ok I am not as worried about Haifan Bahais as you are. I am not worried about them at all. None-what-so-ever.

The chance of Bahai coming to power in Iran is far less than Bush-Cheney WMD lie or wall street crash or 9/11. In all these cases there were ample warnings. In your case it is only your ample warning. So duped I shall remain and worry I shall not have.

There are far more important issues, far more, than Haifan Bahais! You use Haifan Bahais like our resident neo-cons and Monarchists use IRI. IRI oh IRI! Bahais oh Haifan Bahais! Good luck.

You don't have to committ genocide in order to be a fascist

Dear B,

You waffle back and forth between several issues inconsistently without having resolved any of the implications of those issues. First, however, let me address this: a given group need not have committed a holocaust or genocide in order to be defined as fascists. Nor does genocide or holocaust define fascism in its primary denotation. There are plenty of Neo-Fascist and Neo-Nazi groups who have committed no observable mass crimes, yet remain ideological fascists all the same regardless, and as objectively dangerous as if they had. This is why several European nations have banned such groups outright and it is illegal to belong to such groups in Germany (which has also banned Scientology FYI).  

Now the Haifan Baha'i organization who is making all this noise about persecution and human rights violations against it in Iran, which I can prove is exagerrated, is headquartered under the patronage of the state of Israel. The genocide and mass human rights violations of the Zionist entity are legion, well-documented and beyond any dispute! Recently the IDF used depleted uranium and white phosphorous shells on unarmed civilian populations in Gaza. This is a war-crime! What is the Baha'i position on this, and why have they never raised their voices against such policies when countless leftwing Israelis have?

I won't go into the details and history of IsraHELLi war crimes and genocide against the Palestinians and other civilian Arab populations (such as in Lebanon in 2006 and elsewhere), but the fact of the matter is that the Baha'i claims of persecutions are hollow, hypocritical and largely political in light of 1) the active patronage they receive from the Israeli establishment, 2) the material support they provide with their buildings and tourism which helps the economy of the Israeli establishment and 3) the subsidies they have been receiving from consecutive Israeli governments for the upkeep of their buildings and shrines in IsraHELL.

Given this, the activities of the Haifan Bahai organization in Iran are rightfully contextualized as fifth columnist, and from my point of view outright support for the Zionist brand of Fascism, which the UN itself has condemned repeatedly (even equating Zionism with Racism). That I detest the mullahs equally does not detract one iota from the fact that the Haifan Bahai organization is an outright political danger to Iran because it is acting as a tool of Israeli foreign  policy - and as such under any regime, be it monarchist, Islamist or secular a dangerous fifth column. To Iran today, the activities of the Haifan Bahai organization - which are not innocuous or just merely religious - are analogous to the activities of Islamic Jihadi organizations or Hamas vis-a-vis IsraHELL. Looked at from one angle, the Haifan Baha'is are as if they are Iran's al-Qaeda threat!

Furthermore, the Haifan Bahais stand for New World Order and totalitarian One World Government. From any point of view, these represent a direct threat to the very freedom, liberty and existence of humanity itself. Because they presently do not posses the machinery of a state, does not mean one sits idly by and does nothing. As the addage goes, an ounce of prevention is better than ten pounds of cure!

As such, and given the clearly documented history of the abuses and skullduddgery of this organization, unless such things be renounced by them, the Haifan Bahai organization is a fascist organization which should be combatted everywhere and exposed for the danger it represents to the human race by all well-meaning and conscientious human beings who cherish their rights, liberty and freedoms! That people like you and similar are being actively duped by the violin swan-songs and lies of this cult is testimony to the fact that efforts  everywhere must be quadrupled against the nefarious and insidious influence of this organization, its propaganda and its supporters! 

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Yes, I can authenticate it...

Where would you like me to post the original message with all the original headers? I tried to do that here but the html garbled the text badly so I took it out. 

If you want me to email it to you, send me an email...

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Dear Nur

Is there anyway that you can 'authenticate' this, or is this just a 'BAD' joke?

NUR some items to consider

With all due respect consider the following. I think after this note I'll probably just sit back and watch you do whatever you want.

1. You can not attack a group of people and expect them to say we deserve this and we now abandon our faith. As Governor of Allahaska once said; "thanks but no thanks!" They will respond in kind, what goes around comes around. Reasonable people believe responding to you in kind is justified.

2. Just because the founder of a faith was a murderor and got to power by whitewashing history and so on doesn't mean his followers are murderors. You have never heard of any messiah being accused of murders? Fact or fiction. They practice this faith to be good not to be bad.

3. Your analysis is pretty much like Shiites and Sunnis. In the end after 1500 years at the first chance they get they are killing each other.

4. Most importantly, by calling them one of the most fascist organizations on planet, you are being charitable to fascists. You are. Fascists actually caused millions of death. Fascists actually exterminated their prisoners. Fascists actually created the Holocaust. Bahais are yet to gain power and IF they do, they have to cause at least a fraction of what Fascists did in Germany. As paradoxical as the world may be, being charitable to fascists is wrong.

5. You are here on i.com to communicate with Iranians. However, at the first chance you get you bash this website and its publisher. Please don't be like many Iranians who think all of Iran's problems is rooted in US and Israel. That is shunning responsibility. You are using this free tribune to say whatever you want. You post blogs every other day with your own words. What else do you want from the publisher? If he converts to Bahaism all of the sudden are you going to stop blogging? So don't bite the hand that feeds you and if for any reason JJ decides you've worn out your welcome and blocks you I wouldn't blame him.

6. There is a resident Zionist on this website and she doesn't hesitate to step on anything Iranian just to advance her agenda which is to defend Israel at all costs. Israel can do no wrong even if it is working against her own interest. Negative views of Israel is due to anti-semiticism and not any killing that Israel may do. In her eye these killings are justified. You NUR are walking in the same path as her. In your eye Bahais can do no good. She is not well liked in this website except those who want to throw mud at IRI for any and all reasons at all costs.

7. No one is going to buy the same old stories which are being used to persecute Bahais in Iran. Right or wrong there are good people who believe Bahaullah is their messiah and as you mentioned are rank and file.

Now you can continue this path and belittle yourself at all costs. When you don't bother to trouble yourself for anything, why should me or anyone else who reads your writings?

You say you are doing this at a great cost to yourself? What cost? You are getting what you are asking for. Presumably since you are not talking talking about monetary, this is in fact the price you want people to pay you to read you. The price is believing Bahais are fascists, murderors and are in cahoots with IRI and oblivious to their persecution. Isn't it?

We can prove you wrong, you hateful one !

You can talk as much as you want and we won't pay you a dime .

for our silence you can keep the change!

Can we join you?

Dash NUR,

If they pay money, can we join you and cash out some money.

Jone shoma, the economy is getting worse and even Bahai's need some money.

Agha ma hastim, age dadan bego ma ham biyaym!!

Just FYI, Bahai's are worse than Jaws when it comes to spending money? They are so mean, baba! ma khodemon hamash komak mikonim beh amrullah!!

Give us the news if you ever get any money!!

As for myself, I am really enjoing your BS articles so if I ever pay you is not to stop the articles but really to continue and make us laugh more!!

Keep up the good work, honey!!

$

Presumably dollars... 

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Wow 7 figures

Was the 7 figures in dollars or rials?

No

I'm not for sale as you Baha'is are.  

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Yes

I think you must accept the offer. :-)