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16-Mar-2009
Originally posted, here by ravi.kumar.7079@gmail.com
IT IS SELECTION NOT ELECTION
A. A study of Baha'i institution
Many control mechanisms relate to the electoral system and the realities of power are existing in the Baha'i community. Early Baha’is allowed nominations to be made for Baha’i office, and also allowed campaigning for Baha’i Institution. When early Baha’is asked ‘Abdu’l- Baha, how they should conduct elections for local spiritual assemblies ? He replied that they should follow the rules for elections common in their own country
(‘Abdu’l-Baha 1908-1916: I,7).
Van den Hoonard points out that nominations and canvassing for Baha’i office were standard practice in North America in the time of ‘Abdu’l-Baha (van den Hoonard 1996:157-158).
Baha'i Institutions abolished the practice of nominations and campaigning for elective Baha’i office in accordance with Iranian Baha’i practice. Although ending these practices appears to have a reason, as the community grew, it became impossible for Baha’i elective institutions to have a control over the elections and to bring only those candidates whom they rely and decide.
CRITICISM OF BAHA’I INSTITUTIONS BY A BAHA’I IS CONSIDERED AN ACT OF
"COVENANT BREAKING".
Criticism of Baha’i institutions by a Baha’i is considered an act of “Covenant Breaking” and is often branded a “dishonest attack” on the Baha’i faith, punishable by shunning. After a vote has been taken, all the members of the Baha’i community must support the result, and defeated minorities may not continue to criticize. This theory of political behavior denies the need for checks and balances.
The placing of elected bodies above public criticism and the silencing of defeated minorities has had predictable effects at the national level.
BAHA'I ELECTIONS ARE INFACT SELECTIONS
BAHA'I ELECTORAL RESULTS ARE SKEWED IN THREE WAYS.
First
The National Spiritual Assembly enjoys all the advantages of controlling the image of potential NSA members in the national newspaper, The Baha’i News India (an organ of the N.S.A.), sending these incumbents to local communities, and sending members around to conferences, which enhances their visibility (all this is paid for out of the national Baha’i fund). These advantages of incumbency are especially very useful in a system where no campaigning for office by others is allowed.
Second
The sitting members often promote close associates onto the body, “flying them around to conferences,” appointing them to high-powered national committees, and giving them prominence at important events . Since speaking openly about candidates is not allowed, subtle non-verbal signals have taken on extreme importance for delegates, who seem willing to be guided by the incumbents in these indirect ways.
So the future members of the NSA is made a part of an orchestra conducted by the N.S.A Formally approved by Universal House of Justice and supported by the Continental Counselor present in the Convention.
Third
Some campaigns are launched by unannounced candidates who go about the country giving talks. Such informal campaigning, the National Spiritual Assembly occasionally stops by ordering the person’s talks cancelled, or, if chairmanship of a national committee is becoming a platform for popularity, by firing the individual.
Baha’is call these manipulation of elections, as divinely inspired. Control Mechanisms and Sanctions.
Baha’i leaders employ a number of important control mechanisms to control the Baha’is. These include removal of voting rights, shunning, demands for sticking to traditions, accusations of “weakness in the covenant,” informing and surveillance, and various forms of censorship. Many of these tools are employed basically against persons who are somehow prominent or appear to have leadership potential but do not seem easy for incumbents to control, or against intellectuals
The prohibition of nominations and campaigning leads administrators to feel a need for strict controls on Baha’i discourse, and often to the avoidance of even mentioning leaders by name in public, which would be considered as “backbiting.”
The ban on campaigning leads to a situation where a great deal of suspicion falls on any active intellectual not directly controlled by the N.S.A. Great suspicion attaches to any Baha’i teacher or lecturer who is not an elected or appointed official and is thought to be “gaining a following.”:
B. A study of Indian Baha’i Institution
National Convention
Delegates
Till about 1986 there were about 171 delegates, courtesy Oliyai Family. These delegates were in accordance with the paper Baha’is projected by the Oliyai family which controlled the NSA elections. False statistics were given by which a large number of delegates were procured.These delegates were given free Delhi trip and free lodging and boarding and were asked to vote for particular candidates. One of the delegate reported “While all of us were coming from Gwalior in a Jeep for National Convention, one of the delegates said,” Nissan Oliyai is a very good boy, vote for him.”
Many of the decisions of the NSA were taken outside NSA as Oliyai family enjoyed the majority. A set of decisions were made and it was circulated amongst their friends to finally approve them in the meeting.
Once the members were of no use they were dropped from the NSA list in
the next elections.
Mr. Bargawa in 1972
Mr. Khare in 1986
Mr. & Mrs. Gandhi in 2000
Mr. Khemani in 2000
Mr. Shah in 2003
Later on the UHJ cut short the number of delegates from 171 to 38 to cut Oliyai family to size, but HOUSE failed miserably. Letter of Universal House of Justice dated 20th September 1988
The allocation of 38 delegated to India is a temporary measure.
{11th meeting of NSA, 26th and 27th may 1993.}
Canvassing in the National Convention
i. A full scale canvassing is being done during the National
convention, the NSA members show deep interest in the delegates
enquiring about every minor and finer points of their states, to
convey to the delegates that they are very true and faithful Baha’is
and always wish for the development of the Faith in his state. This
concern goes down till the Ballot paper. And once the Election is
over, everything is backed to original state.
ii. Some of the members although unable to pronounce clearly Allahabha
use to greet every delegate with a loud welcome of ALLAHUABHA .To show
that they are completely PERSIANISED.
iii. The NSA members also do not fail in giving treats to the
delegates of ICE CREAMS, who under ordinary days will not even bother
to glance at them.
iv. The consultation during conventions are a major platform to
project the Candidates for the NSA election. All the speeches are
occupied by outgoing NSA members where they leave no stone unturned to
show that they are the one “Human with potentials” and deserved to
become the NSA members.
v. Although Hindi is the Mother Tongue of a large number of the
delegates, the NSA members will give big speeches in English, which is
not even understood by a large number of delegates, but English is the
effective way of proving that they are PERSONS WITH CAPACITY
vi. The NSA also decides during the year to have meetings in different
states. This is just a publicity stunt and to impress the delegates
who will be attending the convention.
False Voting
A teller reported that a number of Ballot papers are received by post with the same name repeated in the same order showing that the source of all these ballot papers are one
The total numbers of delegates present in the convention were 17. The total number of ballots received and counted were 33.
All these is well known by the Counsellor present in the convention. It all takes place with the effective approval of the UHJ as they do not want any unapproved member on NSA .
UHJ interference in elections
Many a times the appointment of Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer came from UHJ, there was no election, only selection, but it was announced as election of the office bearers. It was clear that the House was very interested in appointment of certain member as a Treasurer.
Many a times Members of the House attended the NSA of India meeting and requested certain members to resign.
Present Scenario
The UHJ controls every bit of NSA members and their decisions
Mr. Payman Mohajir is the person responsible for India. He is in direct contact with Mrs. Farideh Vahidi who cares a damn not only to the various departments of NSA but also to her host Country. When one of the employees of the Baha'i House, who was unjustly removed after his long years of services asked her to follow the law of the Land, She said I care a damn about your Country and its Laws.
The election of Mrs. Sorabji is actually an election of Mr. Sorabji .It should be known that a non-Baha'i Mr. Sorabji is more useful to the Faith then Mrs. Sorabji. As amount of power he yields in
the Government.
Mr. Sohail Mohajir, Yes the Surname matters a lot to UHJ.
So the main decision taker is UHJ through Mr. Paymen Mohajir supported by Mrs. Vahidi, Mrs. Sorabji Mrs. Nazneen Rohani and ofcourse one can take Mr. Mohajir for granted because of his surname.
To put aside any discrepancies Mr. Satnam is appointed as the consultant showing the real position of Indian counselors.
Not to mention all other members NSA are just a show piece. Congrats to Mr. Sarwal and Dr. Ansari for their self respect.
PREPARED
BY
A FORMER MEMBER OF
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY OF INDIA.
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About Badi Villar
by NUR on Thu May 07, 2009 08:37 PM PDT//badivillarcardenas.blogspot.com/
Cyber-Criminal and Baha'i Terrorist Badi VillarBadi Villar Cardenas is a Lima, Peru based member of a dangerous rightwing Stalinist religious cult known as Haifan Baha'ism. In his capacity as a member of this cult, on the internet he serves in their Baha'i Internet Agency. Throughout Latin and South America, in the past Haifan Baha'ism has been involved with CIA-funded rightwing regimes, such as that of Augusto Pinochet in Chile, and even rightwing death squads in El Salvador in the 1980s as well as the CIA crack-cocaine funded Contras in Nicaragua in the 1980s. Members of the Haifan Baha'i National Spirtual Assembly of Chile served in the cabinets of Augusto Pinochet and so are culpable for the human rights violations under the Pinochet regime against the people of Chile. Recently high ranking members of Haifan Baha'ism in Peru maintained close ties simultaneously to the ousted authoritarian regime of Alberto Fujimori as well as Abimael Guzman's the Maoist Shining Path terrorist organization. It is a well known fact that uhj member Farzam Arbab, the father of the Ruhi Institutes, developed his model upon that of Marxist guerilla indoctrination cells which the Shining Path maintained in the jungles of Peru, Bolivia and Columbia. With Alberto Fujimori high ranking members of the NSA of Peru have maintained (and apparently still do) financial interests. On April 7, 2009, Fujimori was convicted of human rights violations and sentenced to 25 years in prison for his role in killings and kidnappings by the Grupo Colina death squad during his government's battle against leftist guerrillas in the 1990s.
In his various capacities in the Peruvian Haifan Baha'i community, Badi Villar Cardenas serves as consultant to several Haifan Baha'i owned agribusiness contractors in the Amazon, one of which is owned by Costa Rica (cosa nostra) based Iranian Baha'i Hozhabr Yazdani. These are (Haifan Baha'i) companies who are responsible for logging and destruction of the Amazon rainforests and contributing to the genocide against the native Amerindian peoples living along the river -- monies which they then send to their cult headquarters in Haifa, occupied Palestine. As such Badi Villar Cardenas is an accomplice in the war and genocide against the indigenous Quechua peoples and, along with his Baha'i cosa nostra masters, a war criminal who should be hauled before a human rights commission at the Hague
Well, just look at the
by Israfil (Badí' Villar, yes) (not verified) on Thu May 07, 2009 01:36 PM PDTWell, just look at the characteristics of the narcissist:
(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
Nima regards himself as superior to just about everyone. He's a better scholar than anyone else, even though he never finished his degree, nor has he published in academic journals. He certainly regards himself as spiritually superior to everyone else, at times even making claims to divine status. But he has never managed to accomplish anything; as far as I know, he's being financially supported by his parents and doesn't even have a job. That's one reason he has so much time to post on trb.
2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Nima certainly regards himself as powerful, even claiming credit for unfortunate events that happen to his enemies.
(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
Certainly true -- although he doesn't so much associate himself with "special" people; he just makes claims that anyone he associates with is special in some way.
(4) requires excessive admiration
He certainly needs a lot of attention.
5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
Nima gets very angry if people don't do things his way, or disagree with him at all -- that's the main reason he broke with his Baha'i liberal friends, starting with Juan Cole.
6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
For Nima, people only exist to serve his needs; if they fail to do that, then they are dropped and denounced. I've seen that happen over and over again.
(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
Nima is one of the most vicious people I have ever known; he has no sympathy for anyone's feelings at all. He uses his friends, and sets out to deliberately destroy his enemies without mercy.
8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
I haven't noticed Nima being envious, but he certainly believes that others are obsessed with him. This kind of paranoia is very characteristic of a narcissist. After all, only a very important person would be persecuted by so many people. This is one reason why I recommend that Nima be completely ignored. Any kind of attention, whether positive or negative, only reinforces his belief in his own importance.
(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
Nima is extremely arrogant, as I'm sure all you know.
Some other common characteristics of narcissists, that don't appear on the diagnostic are:
a) They lie -- constantly and blatantly, and with full knowledge of what they are doing. They are so arrogant that they expect they will be believed, no matter how outrageous the falsehood. I think Nima knows exactly what he is doing; he's not "crazy" in the sense that he cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality. He deliberately lies.
b) The narcissists thrives on chaos; they're always in the middle of a fight. One reason that Nima broke with other Baha'i dissidents is because he wanted a more intense "war" than they were willing to engage in. Things were starting to calm down, compared to the late '90s. Nima needs the excitement of conflict.
Get this! - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
by NUR on Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:26 PM PDTStart HERE (Sourcewatch): //www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith
See as well, BAHA'I INTERNET AGENCY,
//www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Agency
SECTS OF BAHAIS: A Taxonomy of Baha'i Sects, //www.sectsofbahais.com/
&
Documentary film by independent Israeli film maker Naama Pyritz:
BAHA'IS IN MY BACKYARD
//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU
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US NSA (US BAHA'I NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY) vs OBF (Orthodox Baha'i Faith)
Recent court victory by the Orthodox Baha'is, and the suit brought by the Haifan Bahai organization against them:
//trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html
Judge's decision
//www.truebahai.info/court/139-opinion.pdf
**Appellate hearing (Feb 2009)***
//www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/LF1FFZY0.mp3
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BAHAI Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel, Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite, Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence, Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais
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THEORY OF BAHA’I LYING & EQUIVOCATION
See Susan Stiles Maneck,
//bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm
WISDOM AND DISSIMULATION IN THE BAHA’I WRITINGS: The Use and meaning of Hikmat in the Baha’i Writings
Quote
"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith."
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BAHA'I ADMINISTRATIVE IDOLATRY & STALINISM
QUOTE
"We don't want to be like those people who want to see God with their own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears, because we have been given the gift of being able to see through the eyes of the House of Justice and listen through the ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai Counselor Rebeque Murphy
To hear this section of her talk go to:
//media1.bahai.us/tab/Highlights/Sunday/30_Counselor_Murphy_Rema...
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BAHAI NOTIONS of FREEDOM of CONSCIENCE according to EX-UHJ member DOUGLAS MARTIN -- Monday, September 23, 2001
//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/DMartin.htm
Quote
"We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our
individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha'i belief. In the
end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in
the greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal
convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is
supreme is equivalent to "taking partners with God" which is abhorrent to the Teachings of the Faith."
//www.bahai-library.org/talks/martin.watson.html
NOTE especially, S.G. Wilson,
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4, 1914
&
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2, 1914-1915.
at,
//wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidocuments%28westernsources%29
See as well, BAHAISM AND THE BRITISH
//bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home
BAHA’I CONTROL ON THEIR ELECTORAL SYSTEM – EXPOSED (Structural
features of Bahai Stalinism)
//groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...
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In
Ma'idih-i-Asmani, vol. 4, page 355
//reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.html
Translation by Wahid Azal (Jan. 7, 2009)
Chapter 11
The Critics of the Cause of God (munkirin-i-amru'llah)
The Ancient Beauty in the Tablet of Habib from Maragha, which begins with "H B hear the call of God from the direction of the throne by the protective signs/verses (bi-ayati muhayyimin)..etc." they [i.e. Husayn 'Ali Nuri] enunciate the command (mi-farmayand) [i.e. state],
By God, the Truth, whomsoever criticizes it [i.e. Baha'ism], [which is] possessed of the manifest, the brilliant, the high and the perspicuous excellence, it behoveth him to ask his mother [yanbaghi lahu bi-an yas'al min ummihi] about his origins [or 'state', i.e.'hal', meaning he should inquire his mother about his legitimate conception – trans.], for he shall return to the nethermost hell [asfal al-jahim]"…
In Promulgation of Universal Peace p. 322 the following is quoted by 'Abbas Effendi from a prayer by his father, cf. THE BAHA'I FAITH AND ISLAM (ed.) Heshmat Moayyad (The Association for Baha'i Studies: Ottawa, 1990), p.23
O God! Whomsoever violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily whosoever violates My Covenant, erase and efface him.
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See as well,
//www.bayanic.com [CLICK tab BAHAISM]
CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
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You should stay away from deductive reasoning..you are clueless
by CAUTION DETOUR AHEAD on Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:13 PM PDTGot it?
Get to know Haifan Baha'ism at
by NUR on Tue Apr 07, 2009 01:55 AM PDT//www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith
Get to know NUR at...
by CAUTION DETOUR AHEAD on Mon Apr 06, 2009 08:47 AM PDT//iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/source-watch-0
DETNUR
No shame...you answer first
by NUR on Mon Apr 06, 2009 01:37 AM PDT1) Who are you and what is your real name?
2) What creed or organization do you belong to?
3) What position do you occupy?
4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?
5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?
6) What are your goals to that end?
7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?
8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?
9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?
10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?
11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?
12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?
13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy?
Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?
See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.
NUR - It is now clear that you are ashamed to answer these Qs
by CAUTION DETOUR AHEAD on Sun Apr 05, 2009 08:26 PM PDT1) How many people in your group?
2) Are you a clergyman in this group?
3) How often do you meet?
4) Where do most of these people live?
5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling? How do you know? Any references you can site?
6) What are the goals of this group?
7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?
8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?
9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?
10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?
11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?
and finally...
12) Why don't you answer these basic questions?
Even if you don't have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the answers.
DETNUR
Your answer same as before...
by NUR on Sun Apr 05, 2009 07:46 PM PDTNone of your business.
Now answer a few of mine,
1) Who are you and what is your real name?
2) What creed or organization do you belong to?
3) What position do you occupy?
4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?
5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?
6) What are your goals to that end?
7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?
8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?
9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?
10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?
11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?
12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?
13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy?
Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?
See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.
NUR- Now that you are responding you can try answering next !
by CAUTION DETOUR AHEAD on Sun Apr 05, 2009 09:52 AM PDT1) How many people in your group?
2) Are you a clergyman in this group?
3) How often do you meet?
4) Where do most of these people live?
5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling? How do you know? Any references you can site?
6) What are the goals of this group?
7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?
8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?
9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?
10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?
11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?
and finally...
12) Why don't you answer these basic questions?
Even if you don't have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the answers.
DETNUR
None of your business
by NUR on Fri Apr 03, 2009 02:19 AM PDTThere's your answer...
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NUR - Just answer these questions...
by CAUTION DETOUR AHEAD on Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:11 AM PDT1) How many people in your group?
2) Are you a clergyman in this group?
3) How often do you meet?
4) Where do most of these people live?
5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling?
6) What are the goals of this group?
7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?
8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?
9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?
10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?
11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?
Don't get frustrated, just answer these questions. Looking in the mirror can't be that bad. (or is it?)
DETNUR
NUR you said in your earlier
by B (not verified) on Wed Mar 18, 2009 04:49 PM PDTNUR you said in your earlier blog that you are giving ample warning of the consequences of letting Bahais seize power in Iran.
I say let them. What is the worst they can do? Kill millions?
First of all, they are not going to come to power as a revolution like the 1979 revolution. They don't have enough manpower or an enough just cause. They have to come in as a Chalabi style regime change.
Now if they come to power with the support of other world powers (such as Australian Haifan Bahais of UHJ ;-o) , can they kill millions and get away with it? Lord knows Sunnis and Shiites both tried it in Iraq and actully killed tens of thousands. But they couldn't kill millions.
At worst they screw up like in Iraq and at that time we like you will know how bad they are. Until then again I am not worried. I wrote this comment just to respond to your hypothetical worry which is hypothetical to the Nth degree which means the chance of Bahais coming to power is slim to none and slim has left the building.
India etc
by NUR on Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:56 AM PDTYou raise a good point! They have claimed that they have over a million adherents in India. But when this number was scrutinized closely by several different people, most notably by William Garlington, it was found that they had between 2000-3000 people there at most of actual card-carrying Baha'is - maybe less. Over the past decade or so there has been a remarkable number of fractures in the Indian Baha'i community, with people joining the Orthodox and Reform Baha'i groups, so that number needs to be scrutinized even further in my view.
The 300,000 number for Iran, I would say, is also highly questionable. But money talks and *&^% walks so these people can manage to get away with duping all and sundry to believe that they have large numbers in India and Iran, when they don't.
Now the so-called unity amongst the Baha'is is basically a public relations stunt devoid of all substantial reality whatsoever, and here on iranian.com the pro-Baha'i slant has to do with the fact that the webmaster is in their pocket and so this site will jump through any hoops it is asked to jump through on their behalf.
And people wonder why our country is in such shambles with mullahs still ruling it after 30 years. Here is a perspective on your answer to that question...
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This shows
by Erooni (not verified) on Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:38 PM PDTThis proves the unity among the baha'is. The Baha'is are united only on IRANIAN.COM elsewhere we can see they are fighting among themselves - in USA (Orthodox - Hetrodox), India - (NSA member against the Election System), Iran - (Bayani - Bahai), I don't know any other country with good populations of Bahais.
...the warner
by Seagull (not verified) on Tue Mar 17, 2009 08:37 PM PDT16. If He so pleased, He could blot you out and bring in a New Creation:
(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 35)
42. They swore their strongest oaths by Allah that if a warner came to them, they would follow his guidance better than any (other) of the Peoples: but when a warner came to them, it has only increased their flight (from righteousness) --
(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 35)
"Baha'u'llah" in Baghdad on his eve of departure
by NUR on Tue Mar 17, 2009 07:17 PM PDT[Mirza Husayn ‘Alí’ Nuri Baha'u'llah's] ornamental couch was placed [the night before] in the street [adjoining the garden]. The neighborhood on both sides was well known for its flowers, renowned as the Muhammadan Rose [gol-i-muhammadí]. During the night [Mírzá Aqá Ján Káshání] Khádim’ullah cut the flowers from the surrounding branches and laid them all on the couch. Then upon the break of morn, [Mírzá Aqá Ján Káshání came back and] began his cries, moaning and clamour that “the manifestation has occurred,” “the flowers have prostrated themselves at the blessed feet” and that “for no prophet or saint before this, and in such evident manner, has a miracle such as this ever occurred!” And such is [the tale of the truth] regarding the celebration of the day of flowers [i.e. Ridwán], which their “holinesses” celebrate [proclaiming] that the flower branches had prostrated themselves at their feet!
My translation, vaqá’i-i-rástín-i-takúr-i-núr (A True Account of Takúr in Núr), pp. 24-25
وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
Reza41 (not verified)Tue Mar 17, 2009 06:30 PM PDT
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مكتبي كه با بوجود آوردن تعزيه هاي ساختگي وجلب ترحم , به ساختارش قوت مي بخشد, و هر از گاهي احمقاني از قماش يزيد, نقش ابن ملجم را در ايران به عهده ميگيرند و در دام توطعه اين قماش جزه زن و كلاش مي افتند بدانند روزي در زير نور قرار خواهند گرفت و مشتشان باز خواهد شد , دير يا زود دارد سوخت و سوز ندارد. اين وعده , وعدايست الهي. وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
To the birds of darkness:
by light (not verified) on Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:04 AM PDTOn the eve of Our departure from ‘Iráq, We have warned the faithful to anticipate the appearance of the Birds of Darkness.
There can be no doubt whatever that the croaking of the Raven shall be raised in certain lands, as it hath been heard in recent years. Whatever may betide, seek refuge in the one true God, that He may shield you from the wiles of the impostor.
Bahaullah
Allah'u'Abha dear Friends
by Reform Bahai (not verified) on Tue Mar 17, 2009 02:15 AM PDT"The Devil is in the details"
REMEMBER HOW EASY IT IS FOR MAGICIANS ON STAGE TO TRICK SPECTATORS, WELL IT IS THE SAME WITH VOTERS IN HAIFA AND ELSEWERE...
The Baha'i coming elections in Haifa, Israel for the members of the Universal House of Justice are not fair.
There have been many irregularities reported in the past:
1. Votes sent by mail are not always authentic or even counted (tempering).
2. Some delegates have been corrupted in poor countries (payments).
3. The box that contains the votes of the delegates is replaced and mixed with fake votes (infiltration & manipulation).
4. Baha'is' trust has been abused in the past by outsiders & insiders (their agents) who are secretly seeking control of the Baha'i Faith (conspiracy):
PROTOCOL OF THE ELDERS OF ZION:
//www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
Solution:
TAKE THESE DISPOSITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE (PREFERABLY *BEFORE* THE START OF THE VOTING PROCESS) IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE INSTITUTIONS (IF POSSIBLE).
1. Ask to examine the Box containing the votes of the delegates. It must be transparent, with non-removable sides AND ALWAYS in the sight of ALL the delegates AT ALL TIMES (INCLUDING DURING THE COUNTING OF THE VOTES). Ask other friends to do the same. Do NOT delegate. Do it before AND after the votes are cast.
2. ASK TO EXAMINE THE votes sent by MAIL (all of them). Check for authenticity (audit by independent & trusted experts)
3. Don't let anyone tell you that these verifications and conditions are unimportant because "we should always (blindly) follow the administration's lead".
4. High Corruption is a fact of life. DON'T COMPROMISE THE INTEGRITY OF THE FAITH if you truly LOVE THE FAITH.
5. Ask many friends to participate in the counting and not established administration officials alone. Never loose sight of the BOX (which MUST be TRANSPARENT) containing the votes AT ANY TIME (Not even a few seconds!). DO not accept any condescending remarks by ANYBODY. IT IS YOUR BELOVED FAITH!
6. VERY IMPORTANT: AUDIT the votes and its counting once again and obtain explanation about the details of the entire procedure itself BEFORE THE VOTE STARTS (from the time of receiving the votes to the time of counting and auditing).
PS:
1. Pass this message to other assemblies, delegates and friends urgently. Thank you for the Faith.
2. Please remember that it makes perfect sense that "NOBODY who truly cares about the Faith and its integrity will oppose ANY of the reasonable recommendations made in this message", in fact they will/should embrace it with open arms!
3. ONLY internal and external enemies of the Faith will oppose these basic recommendations.
GOD BE WITH YOU!
"For Evil to triumph in this world, all that is needed is for good people to stand idle and do nothing"
Don't let this happen to you! Take your SACRED RESPONSIBILITY seriously.
If someone/some people try to silence you, then SPEAK UP! DON'T BE IMPRESSED by the tactics of criminals or simply ignorant people because those who oppose what is described above can ONLY be dangerous CRIMINALS at the end, by definition.
It is very possible that the Baha'i Faith is already infiltrated at its head. So EXPECT opposition for this most fundamental request for fairness and integrity, coming from "elected" Baha'i officials. Don't argue with them and remain polite at all times as they will try to intimidate and isolate you. Just ask for this most basic right for verification and monitoring. Don't compromise on any aspect of it otherwise it will become entirely useless. Do it for and because you LOVE the truth and faith.
If they do not meet ALL the above conditions DO NOT ENDORSE the results and make it known to everyone you know and on the Internet. YOU HONOR WILL BE SAFE. Satan hates LIGHT and the TRUTH. Don't let yourself be pressured or talked into it!
WHAT does it cost? Nothing! Therefore the ONLY motivation to oppose it is by fraudsters and because of a planned manipulation of the results. YOU HAVE BE WARNED.
BE UNITED WITH TRUE (GOOD) BAHA'IS. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.
PEACE BE WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES!
FINALLY: The Exact Same can happen/may have occured at the NATIONAL Level (including BACKBITING to isolate candidates or simply propagated praise by Agents to favor such and such). DO the same for your NATIONAL ELECTIONS. Keep a copy of this email in your files for next year. Over the long run it will help improve the elections.
Baha'i Spy Ring in India Busted
by NUR on Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:58 PM PDTSince a few names appear in that post above as appeared in this story from 2006, now is a good time as any to post this story here. The link below was the original URL for the story. It doesn't seem to work anymore. I have included it anyway,
//epaper.hindustantimes.com/artMailDisp.aspx?article=14_07_2006_...
SPY RING BUSTED? - Bahai trustees accused of embezzling funds
NAZIYA Alvi
July 13, 2006
New Delhi
IN A complaint filed in a city court, a few trustees of the National Spiritual Assembly of Bahais of India have been accused of espionage by their colleagues. Apparently, they were supplying classified documents from India's defence establishments to Israeli and Iranian spying agencies and making huge amounts in foreign currency. Taking cognisance of the complaint, the additional chief metropolitan magistrate, Kamini Lau, has directed the Economic Offence Wing Cell to immediately register a case against the accused persons. The court has also asked the cell to file a status report with it by August 10.
As per the allegations in the complaint, one of the accused, N.K.
Bhudhiraja, general manager of finance with the spiritual organisation, forged an identity card and af fixed his photograph on an armed forces concessions form for fee baggage allowance, which is needed for military officials travelling to places in India and abroad. Apparently, he also used to travel under the fictitious name of 'Captain S. Budhiraja' of the air force station at Yelahanka.
Apparently, the accused, by using such impersonations and forgery
managed to clandestinely penetrate into the prohibited defence
establishment of the country and get hold of classified documents. In turn, he supplied the sensitive documents to spying agencies in Israel and Iran in return of foreign currency.
The complaint has also alleged that the stamp of the air force station at Yelahanka had been forged with some amount of accuracy and was being used by the accused trustees of the 'spiritual assembly'.
The complaint also alleges that another accused, Payam Shoghi, also a trustee with the society, is in truth an Iranian national. He
fraudulently got his name inserted in the ration card of another
accused and also got it attested.
On the basis of the ration card he managed to procure an Indian
passport. The complaint also states that such passports have been
issued to a number of other foreigners by the accused people through a similar fashion of forgery.
The counsel of three complainants Swadesh Kumar, Khub Singh and Gulshan Kumar told the court that they have definitive documentary evidence to prove that the accused were, in addition to the other violations, involved in a large scale Hawala transaction network.