Fighting Words

Onlyiran jan

Baba ina nafas nazashtan bara ma!!! Haminjoor ye band... ver mizanan:))

It is like These "greenish" boys and girls never get enough of daydreaming and reminiscing and waiting and being patient!!

I  read that you handed that other dude Ye fas kotak e jananeh:)) so i am proud of you and am off to read your latest blog.

Iranian123 - Why do you think that majority of Iranians support

this regime?  When was the last time you were in Iran?  

DM jaan - koja boodi shareek-jorm-e gerami?

we missed you!

Iran123

I respect Your point of view. BUT

There is a Big but. and that is in a situation where there are individuals such as the one we saw in Faeze Raf. Video, who used such utterly disgusting tactics and language, and mind you, there are plenty of garbage where that filthy pig came from , where it is a sin to even think about using a decent tone intertwined with reason.

Now i know that your main concern is what goes on this site, But keep in mind that many of those who come here and make their stance known to everyone, come from the same "akhor" that guy cam from and have the same exact mentality.

That is all!

Thank you

OnlyIran, Iranian123, Hasadeh Ghadimi, esfand jaan(s) for thinking about my concern and responding to me.  

Esfand jaan it is "curtails" not curtail, which refers to IR itself.   

Mehrban

I'm not sure what the start of your comment means or you are trying to say ...
What I do think is even if the ones who do comment on IC are not too logical or do not listen to reason, instead of getting frustrated perhaps we can just answer with facts so that other IC readers can get the right information. People who comment are not the only ones who use IC.

Mehrban jaan we're not in WWII or WWIII for that matter!

Everything is sacred

oooooh Iran 123

[ Are we just going to ignore the fact that majority of the population of Iran are Iranian and support IRI?]

Where did that come from?!!! 

I am not sure what to think I am looking for precedents.  My instinct is that engaging them (IR supporters) is a colossal waste of time and energy.  Reason (your word) will not work (my instincts again) because this is about power, they (IR) have all and we (Iranians) have very little.  "Reason" may have  a chance when there is a reasonable balance of power (I think).

Dirty Angel, if you are out there I know you would post a video for me here of "Caminante no hay Camino".

Mehrban

These people are Iranians. Are you trying to say we should disingage with Iranians who support IRI so that they leave the site? Do we not need to convince them through reason why we need change, instead of trading insults? Are we just going to ignore the fact that majority of the population of Iran are Iranian and support IRI? Are we to kick them out? How far then will this exclusion go - first it is if they support IR, then what? People we do not like?

I also do not agree with those who say we need to go down to the level of those who use profanity, etc.

Let's say while France was occupied

Should the French (the resistance) have engaged in debates with the occupying Germans?  

Crybabies indeed COP jaan - & HG

It's kind of like the IRI itself.  They murder, torture, lie and cheat and when they're caught they come up with cooky conspiracy theories saying that George Soros AND the necons (LOL at the coalition) are behind everything that's happening in Iran. LOL again!!!

HG- You went to a KKK ralley?  That's funny!! I actually had a best firend in college whose father was a former KKK Grand Wizard (or some other important rank--I forgot).  His son was REALLY into minorities (had a Hispanic girlfriend) and invited me over to their home.  I spoke with the father, and he was quite honest about his past.  He said that he was stupid and ignorant, and that he has put all those things behind.  And I think he was honest about it.  At the time I met them, he had a large business, and the person in charge was a black man who essentially had authority over everything.   

You're right though.  The KKK is more honest than the IRI.  They don't safsateh about what they stand for.   

Rea, thanks and you're right

I was wrong on the figures.  It's actually close to 4000 since Ahmadinjead became preisdent and one execution every eight hours this year.  

I'd rather have YOU as the Iranian of the site

At the same time, I'd like you to be more precise. And not say things like what I read yesterday: "4000 people executed in Iran since January 1st,...."

//iranian.com/main/blog/meybokhor-manbarbesuzan/liberation-near

There are non-Iranians here. We come to read and learn. But with figures like that and none, but none, to correct, I wonder. What other figures can I trust ?

On the subject of using profanity

Setting aside the threat of having your comment deleted or account blocked:

If you dish it out, you'd also better be prepared to take it.

The cry babsies who use profanity but start throwing a fit when it is returned to them should take note.

Said hazrat-e kafar! --- 

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IRAN FIRST

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hg: Akh harfe dele mano

hg: Akh harfe dele mano gofti. Dastet dar nakoneh.

If they are supporter of IRI and proud of its criminal behaviors for whatever reason, they should say so. If they believe that the end justfies the means, they should say so. If they believe the IRI foreign policies are not suicidal and will only benefit in the long run, then they should present their arguments coherently instead of lieing about it. If the goal o IRI is "defeat" the west or "imperialism" singlehandedly by using violent Jihad then they should be brave to justify it instead of denying it....

Damet garm HG jan.

mehrban, i think if they

mehrban, i think if they (regime supporters ) are sincerely opining on their views (e.g., the reason i like velayat faghih is....), then hearing their views should not only be tolerated but encouraged.  however, when their discussion is incoherent, insincere and full of lies (e.g. moammar ghadaffi), then it's just noise and there's no benefit in hearing it.  many (all?) of the regime supporters simply deny that political prisoners are being executed in iran!!!!  or when confronted by claims of atrocities in iran, they point out atrocities committed by other countries. 

i have gone to watch the kkk give a speech in this country.  well, a better word is to heckle.  even if they're full of hate, they're honest about expressing their hate.  the kkk is a notch above the islamic republic and their supporters on this site.

Mehrban jaan define "actively curtail".

If supporters of "a" regime are using physical violence then no they don't have freedom of speech.  Upon conviction for using physical violence not just their freedom of speech but any other freedom they have will be taken away in jail! 

Everything is sacred

Yes I do flag them and so do others, be sure of it

There are 11,000 registered Users on IC and they want to see exchange of ideas represented by Iranians who hold different views. I, like many others, would also like to see more non Iranians on this site. Diversity is important when we try to check why we think the way we do and whether we are right. If we intimidate and get rid of all opposing views then we are left with a very boring and intolerant website. 

Iranian123

I was talking about criticizing their ideas and their stance on issues.  I don't believe in attacking people's appearances.  If you think comments like that cross the line, you should flag them.  

Criticizing harshly

This Sumwoman's avetar has been picked on many times by many people, Jaleho's appearance has also been discussed. Is that civilised or plain bullying? 

In principle, they are not, Mehrban

In principle, people who terrorize others and eliminate opposing points of view--or who support those that do--have forfieted the right to be the beneficiaries of freedom of speech.  However, my personal opinion is that we are better than them, and that we should allow them to say whatever is on their mind.  We should, of course, criticize them--harshly ,which seems to have bothered our intolerant friend here.  

Mehrban

If we censor them and treat them differently (harass them through our actions), how are we better than the oppressors?

Freedom of Speech

I am sure the thoughtful world has a solution or an answer to this.  Okay in a Democracy where everyone is committed to a certain fundamental idea of   freedom of speech and only within that basic legal agreement and obligation everyone has the right to freedom of speech.  But are the supporters of a regime in power that actively curtails such freedoms of its citizens are entitled to such tolerance by the general populace.  

I am sure this has been discussed in legal, moral and ethical circles. I wonder what the right answer is.  

Looks like Meybokhor's blog was de-featured.

Everything is sacred

You were the one who lowered the standards of your blog

by using profanity in the first place.  If you had accepted proper criticism of your ideology and your point of view without refereing to other's opinions as "gooz" and without telling people "who the "f" are you" when they questioned your stance, people would not have responded the way they did.  Plus, what me and DM wrote pale in comparison to your use of profanity.

All of that being said, you have the option of flagging comments that you believe are inappropriate.  I encourage you to do so.   

JJJ's prior decision was not to feature personal attack blogs.

I think neither Meybokhor nor Onlyiran's blogs should be featured. 

 In my opinion if someone wants to use someone else's blog and write a critique that's fine and it should be featured but if a blogger just wants to copy and paste some comments from another blogger then I'd go with the previous policy of not featuring them. 

Everything is sacred

So it is OK with you

So it is OK with you that your gang insults a fellow Iranian (Jaleho) in terms such as fati commando or "knowing what jaleho looks like, i can see why you're offended. :)". Is this creme de la creme of your ilk's intelligence?

Meybekhor you can "continue" doing that in the "new" i.com.

Everything is sacred

@esfand Aashena

I never remove any comments from my blogs. The comments reflect the writers' inner person.

JJ- Why isn't this blog featured?

I ususally don't complain about my blogs not being featured.  But in this case, I thing I should.  You feature a personal attack blog by a user, but when a response is posted to the blog, you don't feature it?  Where is your sense of fair play?