Fighting Words

VPK

Please give room for other interpretations, your first paragraph is your hope. Lets agree to differ on that one.

Iran123

I never disputed the large number of people chanting Mousavi. I probably would if I lived in Iran. That to me is a protest call not so much support for Mousavi. It is really an indication of opposition to IRR. Do you see the difference between them?

Regarding  "something else". Yes I agree next time there will be another force. I believe it will be Nationalism. Iranian culture was suppressed for over 32 years. People want it back and now.  This is not "forcing" opinion on anyone. It is a revival of Iranian culture. That scares the *** out of some. Why: because there are those who prefer the Arab culture. Most of them are the Mullahs and their ilk. They will scream "Nazi"; "Racist" and so on. Let them yell all they want. I don't care.

CC

You are only asking for trouble when you talk about having such open-door policy in a website. I am sure it is some sweet fantasy to be able to do so, but when it comes down to actually running the thing. You can bet that you will be running into same problems as here.

VPK

My dear VPK, why do you always needs to be right? Unlike you I see marches where the crowds cheer Mousavi. Higher numbers than people I meet or what I'd like reality to be so that I can live in my own comfortable coccoon.  You could have just ended this debate peacefully, but you want to FORCE your view on other people, that makes you a new dictator type, doesn't it? 

Let me tell you dear that most of the people I meet and know think that our troubles are due to CULTURE, we latched to religion last time, next time it will be something else because there will always be people in Iranian society and in our culture who NEED to force their views on other people and silence them and force them into submission.  And new prejudices! There's progress for you.

Dictionary

Agression: everyday actions of IRR

Violence: what Islamist goons do to innocent people.

Violation: what Islamist goons to body and property

Self Defense: the right people have to respond to Islamist goons.

PS,

I did look up "concubine". Err; no thanks! 

Mehrban:)!!!

What does the song mean?

VPK

please look up the words aggression,violence, violation and self-defence. Would save everyone a lot of time.

OnlyIran

It's not just unprofessional, but imbecilic and mostly illiterate. Have a look around and you will notice  that every deletion is totally arbitrary, inconsistent, dictatorial and most probably has more to do with a few pennies here and there and personal issues. I would never introduce this site to anybody, except as a very bad joke.

Lots of people no longer contribute to this website because it really is just the lowest of the lazy low. 

I might create my own site with proper contributions soon. It's easy and free. And for one, it will have liberal guidelines with as many IDs, blogs, uploads and whatever that anyone wishes without cheap advertising, instead of this primitive, dictatorial jungle of low traffic.

Iran123

My mind says we can't make assumptions for a nation based on those we know, but my heart hopes you're right.

Why do you then say most Iranian support IRR? How do you make that assumption. Huh

DM- JJ is [hopefully] mature enough to understand

that what he is doing is wrong and unprofessional.  He should correct it himself.  

OI

My mind says we can't make assumptions for a nation based on those we know, but my heart hopes you're right.

An IDea

So do you think we should nominate JJ as the "ugly" person for the good bad ugly section on parazit?:)))))))))))

OI jan

You are wasting your time attempting Logic and reason in order to understand their mentality and make sense of what they do and write.

No matter what, they will hit you back with something totally off handish and ridiculous.

AO- It's all JJ's fault for encouraging this type of behavior

You know, this is the second personal attack blog against me that JJ has featured, the first one was by Q.  I don't know what kind of journalism he practices, but it's certainly not the "fair" type.  He promised at some point that he will stop advertising personal attack blogs, but I guess he has a psssion for them; otherwise, he wouldn't have featured this character's nonsense blog on his front page, especially given the fact that the abuse and profanity that this guy is crying about was started by himself on his own blog (as I point out in this blog).  

So until and unless JJ steps up and discourages this kind of silly "khaleh zanak baazi" on his site, we are bound to see more of it.

Iran123 & DM

Iran 123- my question to you was about your claim that the majority of Iranians support the IRI.  That is simply not true.  I was in Iran less than two years ago.  In about a month or so that I was there, I probably came across less than 5% of the people that I encountered who supported the regime.  Most people wanted the whole thing gone.  Not just Ahmadinejad, but the whole Islamic Republic.  People just want a normal, free secular republic.  They're not particularly anti-Islam (even though I saw a lot of that as well), but they just want this regime gone.  And I had a chance to meet a lot of people from all walks of life, and we were in Shiraz, not Tehran, and certainly not northern Tehran. 

DM- I think that the problem that people have with this whole injection of other issues and comparison with Israel / U.S every time the IR does something stupid is because that's IR's M.O.  So, people have developed a certain level of sensitivity toward the subject, and see everyone who goes that route as being an IR agent. 

OI

From your Mouth to almighty's ears...

Ira123

You don't seem to get what this is all about do you? It is really gettig old and frankly sickening when someone with a "oh I am so tired of this foul language" front Makes such claims, because you, I am convinced now, Intentionally ignore the context and the framework when such comment was made. So allow me bring you into the El real Mundo. Ok Sabavi jan?

It is all about the Context in which that comment was made.

I made that comment about that stupid idiot who bullied a defesless woman. I do not give a flying F... About their F... Internal Gang wars and all the territorial crap and all the rights they claim to have,. The MF was a pig for saying what he said and acting like he did. I am not fond Of The dad and daughter Duo , so Just to put your mind at ease, It is not at all political. it was about that form of behavior that quite frankly got my blood boiling.

 Him and ALLL those like him. Oh sorry That was all with two L's!and Like i said I got confirmation that there are gobs of more trash where he came from. That is a shame.

SO as you can clearly there was no political stuff going on, and there were no political sides being taken, It was pure, Good old fashioned,produced and Directed  Laatt bazii and chomagh dari By those who have mastered the art or ... is it a profession? i don't know. I can't tellanymore. Sobs have done such a good job at it, it is hard to tell. They are the Picaso Of Laat bazi.

So I hope You dig now and Can chill. Ok Holms?

Well, this sure backfired!!

Mr. "Maybokhor" writes a "cute" blog trying to insult OnlyIran and Doctor Mohandes just because they pointed out his hypocricy on another thread.  That blog, despite being featured for a while, crashes and dies, with five comments, all of which telling him how stupid his blog was.  OnlyIran writes a parody blog pointing out "Maybokhor's" abuses, and that blog ends up on the "most discussed" list.  How ironic for the IR crowd.

Perhaps the IR cry babies will now think twice before they write one of their stupid personal attack blogs! 

VPK

This is exactly what I mean by making those that criticise out to be the bad guy, now you are trying to imply I am dishonest.

Have you read this thread and what the subject was about? My point was to say you can make your point better and make people take you more seriously if you do not go down to their level. I am sorry that making this point has had this effect on you. It was made in good faith, but unfortunately everything has to be twisted to suit a purpose by some. Since you insist on bringing Palestine and Israel into THIS!!! No, I disagree with violence, period.  :-)))

Iran123

I just want to know if you are being consistent. So we have it: you refuse to condemn their acts of violence. Yet you want Iranians to not even throw a stone at IRR goons. I see; thank you for answering me albeit in a round about way.

I do not care about Pals but I do care about honesty. If violence is always bad then you should have no problems condemning them. But you won't because you just want Iranians to not use violence. Why is it right for them but not right for us.

I do not come here to discuss Palestine

VPK. you tell people off for bringing Palestine into the equation when it suits you, then bring it into a discussion (where it is totally irrelevant) when you are desperate. Honestly, good luck, this is not my patch ...

Iran123

Iranians I know are not just IC users. In fact most of then don't use IC. As you may know IC is blocked in Iran. Therefore people I mention are mostly not on IC.

Would you please respond to my question on Palestinians. What is your position on their stone throwing. Do you condemn their acts please?

You think what you want

Thank you for letting me have my own mind. Your personal experience is not proof, it is your opinion.  Just another thing, majority of Iranians do not spend their free time on the net, so to assume on basis of what you see, for example on IC, is not proof of anything. I suppose we all have our own reality. 

Why use

profanity Iran123. Didn't you just criticize DM for it. Now when you hear something you don't like you do the same :-))

I have no problem with your opinions. I do have a problem with "man daravordi" claims that IRR is so popular.

My proof

is common sense. I know lots of Iranians both inside and outside. Some are Muslim others reject Islam. But they all agree on one thing: they hate IRR.

So my proof is personal experience. That is good enough for me.

Here is another "proof": why is IRR so afraid of opposition. If people support them as you say then why the fear? Why not let people decide and have real democracy. Reason is obvious: most people hate IRR. They know it and we know it.

Anyway, I am never going to convince you so I won't try. You think what you want. 

What the hell are you talking about?

I am not an IRI supporter, but you just come out with comments which are ridiculous and making anyone who says anything you do not like as a bad guy.

Wow indeed, now discuss among yourseves where you feel more comfortable.

Iran123

Aggresion is wrong always, I would prefer to take part in a march which
is peaceful than with a bunch of people throwing stones and fireballs.

Does this mean you do not support Palestinian stone throwers? Nice to know :-)

Use of aggression is justified if required. When one threatens me or my family I have no problem being aggressive. In fact not being aggressive in that situation is being irresponsible.

IRR has proved it will not reform or be reasonable. Therefore it will go be force. You may not get it both ways: your side gets to be violent; our side not! Those who live by the sword die by the sword.

Most IRR supporters on IC are IRR mouth pieces

How silly - what is your proof? You have to do better than that VPK.

Now you see why most peopel do not bother taking part in blog section.

Wow

We got one more person claiming "majority" support IRR. Sure man we Iranians just love being raped and tortured! 

These people are Iranians. Are you trying to say we should disingage with Iranians who support IRI so that they leave the site? 

Most IRR supporters on IC are IRR mouth pieces. Also do not confuse being a Muslim and being pro IRR. No one with a brain supports IRR unless they are paid or part of it.

Yes there are Muslims out there but that in no way means being pro IRR. 

OnlyIran

My difficulty with a lot of people who are so convinced they are right all the time is they become aggressive with it and depend on Admin to defend their aggression or justify it. Aggresion is wrong always, I would prefer to take part in a march which is peaceful than with a bunch of people throwing stones and fireballs. For example, I do not like any form of aggressifve or foul language, from any side of political debate. But we see comment by people like DM "filthy pig" staying while having been flagged,  but others have been removed or even blocked for less abusive comments. It seems here. as part of IC culture, it is not what is said but who said it that determines abusive comment to be deemed abusive. lol 

I see less and less IRI supproters being on this site, their abusive comments are no more abusive than those on the other side. But I can see what Jaleh is saying, and she is right. What is ridiculous is to think this site represents cross section of Iranian views. It does not.  I don't see the youth in Iran who are standing up for freedom as being Islam haters, which is what the people on this site think they are. Their slogans are clearly associated to their 'cultural religion'...would an Islam hater be chanting 'Allah o Akbar'??! Would they be supporting Moussavi and Karoubi who are clearly religious folk? They seem much more comfortable with their identities and the place religion can have in their lives than many in diaspora do.

You may all gang up on me and try to convince I am wrong, but unfortunately many just do not comment for this reason because it is just not worth it. What is the point of taking part in a place in discussions where if you hold a certai view that does not go along with the majority (handful of commentators on IC) you are made out to be a bad guy.

DM Jaan - some people

only understand the language of tit-for tat and language of consequence.  For certain pro-IRI types, that comes in the form of a cyber version of "kotak e jananeh."  It's unfortunate that we have poeple like that in our midst.  But shoorbakhtaaneh, that's how things are.  Hopefully, some day, we will be able to get rid of this rif raf and leftover societal debris.  That's when we will be able to move forward.