Quintessential Questions

NG

Where is it that the GOP pushed this story to the media?

The mainstream media is viruently anti-McCain, and airing this definitely wouldn't serve their interests, which is to see Obama win next week.

And it goes without saying that the McCain camp would not have lent any support to this girl had they known this was a complete fraud. Otherwise it would be public relations suicide.

This girl's actions are indeed disgusting and dangerous and I hope she has the proverbial book thrown at her for doing what she did.

But the full accountability and responsibility must remain with her and her alone. She is 20 years old, not a child.

I'm not a  CSI expert, but

I'm not a  CSI expert, but don't you think that the authorities first clue was her backwards "B"?

The GOP does deserve a slam on race-baiting and lying

There is no secret panel who approve actions of party members. McCain's camp (They're GOP, right?) is encouraging a lot of this tension and rage amongst the party by being quiet - Hussein-ing by the policeman before McCain took stage was OK until the media blew the whistle. And what this young woman did wasn't just disgusting, it's dangerous. The GOP deserves a smackdown on this because McCain's aides pushed this story to the media and spun it as racist garbage during an election where most of the population is anticipating the first black president.

John Verrilli, the news director for KDKA in Pittsburgh, told TPM Election Central that McCain's Pennsylvania campaign communications director gave one of his reporters a detailed version of the attack that included a claim that the alleged attacker said, "You're with the McCain campaign? I'm going to teach you a lesson."

AW

My dad is a flaming bleeding heart liberal, and my mom concentrates more on a candidate's style than their substance.

Go figure.  :-)

I did it.. I did the "no-no"

making a generalized comment.  I nag and nag and nag and what did I do... the same thing.  I have no more idea how she was raised than I do you.  It's simply a fact though that conservative/liberal... christian/agnostic... heinz/hunts.... parents are going to raise like-minded children.  We ARE products of our environment.  I just hate this though.  It doesnt speak well for any of us.  I'll be so glad when it's all over. 

I think.

AW

I'm saying both sides have people like this. The GOP has these hayseeds who are nothing more than a bunch of extras from Hee-Haw, and the Democrats have theirs with the help of the likes of ACORN. To me, they're no different.

As far as the girl, I haven't read anything about her parents. But she's not a juvenile. She's repsonsible for her actions. Her motives are secondary to me. Especially seeing how the media will manipulate it in order to serve the purpose of slamming the GOP. It's what she did that pisses me off. She deserves to be prosecuted.

It ain't so  :-)

oh come on...

don't be naive!  What do you THINK her motive was?  She's the product of a bigoted racist redneck father and mother who have brainwashed her into thinking that the world is going to end if Obama wins.... oh my god!

You also seem to be making a correlation between ACORN and the Democrats.  Perhaps it's just a general comment but it appears to be that "tit for tat" kind of comment we see alot of.

Tell me it ain't so...:-)

NG

What this girl did is disgusting, and she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

But it is premature to say what her specific motivation was. The good thing is that if she is convicted of a felony, she won't be voting again.

Carving a B in your face and blaming a black guy to win Penn.

<a href="//kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html">It almost worked</a>. My favorite part of the story is that she twittered everything. 

AO

As much as you can't stand having Jesus freak rednecks determining the election, I feel the same way about all of the people who are driven to the polls and are registered multiple times by organizations like ACORN.

Even though we vote differently, I think we both know that none of those people have the first clue about basic civics, the issues and the electoral process.

Kaveh

This year it may become irrelevant.  if Obama wins Virginia, Colorado and New Mexico along with Pennsylvania, McCain can win Ohio and Florida and still lose (hopefully)!

Persia is Eternal.

AO

Ohio will never be an irrelevant state because of the electoral votes they represent. This applies to both sides.

Somehow over the years, Ohio has becomes the "litmus test" state of the U.S. in many respects.

The people in this video do not reflect the mainstream at all, whether in Ohio or anywhere else.

I Hope That Ohion Becomes Irrelevant

I hope that McCain win Ohio, but still lose the election just so that Ohio loses its "king making" importance in presidential elections.  I can't stand these backward Jesus freak red necks determining who becomes the President for us every four years.   

Persia is Eternal.

Relevant

//pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/10/2...

this is a powerfull video.

this is a powerfull video. Thank You for sharing. You are right. Racist people always try to make other excuses.

Point taken Sam

However this is no reason to remain quite. Exposing nonsense and hypocrisy is always a good thing to do, and it's fun too. ;-)

Give it up , Zion & Bijan !!

Gentlemen !! Here is their logic ;

Them :I am right & Your are wrong &^%$#anti&%

Them again : You are &%^$racist##%^&dumb*&

Them again : You $%^&*^#@#

You finally respond & then You are deleted ..lol..

problem is when they find you in their way & agenda & they will gang up on you as it,s been the case with the well known member/members who follow me on every thread to flag my comments if any, to be deleted . one just today . These characters don,t have an ounce of fairness & tolerance in them and talk about fairness in US election on some Ex junkie,  turned Terrorist side kick candidate...  I gave up on dialogue with em long time ago...Cheers pals!!!

Dear Bijan

You make many valid points. The irony here is that if Obama is elected, as seems to be likely, then the possibility of war, especially with Iran, is going to increase considerably. Even his running mate Biden admitted to an impending crisis after Obama's election to test him. It is similar to Kennedy who escalated Vietnam into an overall war and whose"testing" by Soviets brought about the Cuban missile crisis and nearly nuclear hell on earth, or Carter whose inexperience played a role in the hostage crisis and the birth of Islamic terrorism in the region and the world.
Ultimately though American democracy is strong enough to withstand this period that is perhaps necessary to bring Americans back to harsh reality. He has already been forced to take back much of what he advocated in the primaries and he will have to do much more afterwards.
Oh, and forget the clowns. Who cares really?

Dear Zion

The whole point of my posts from the get-go has been to make this gang fess up to the sickness of their logic , rational and arguments. I think I partially succeeded by the kind of responses I got from Irandokht and Nazanin. The nature of my question was mostly hypothetical and it was designed to corner those who call anyone who does not vote Obama as a racist.

At least AW has enough sense to admit that race is as big of a factor in favor of the messaiah as it is against him. She, like ID and NG also cannot fathom the possibility of Obama losing the election, and immediately resorts to the same dictator mentality that you pointed out and throws the entire democratic system into trash by suggesting a rigged election. This is an absolutely pathetic logic and is not really worth arguing with those who have this kind of attitude. Let them be, and let them glee in their ignorance.

If an anti-American socialist orator can fool millions of novice, impressionable youngsters and the same number of those who look into hand-outs without any motivation to create, produce, innovate or contribute, then this nation has to go through this segment of its history and let’s hope that democracy doesn’t die in the process.

If this guy succeeds in his mission, let’s hope democracy lovers don’t give up and fight the growth of communism in this land. The fervor that I see in many of the messiah supporters reminds me of the emotions demonstrated by those who welcomed Khomainie to Tehran 30 years ago….

I am done debating this issue. Best of luck to everyone….and may this nation be saved from the evil of socialism and communism…

bystander

You wanna see the real people and find out who's who? Come to JJ's party in So Cal and see for yourself.

Oops....I forgot , You're a sideliner....... AKA "bystander"......you're nowhere to be found....LOL

I might be able to pay for your ticket to join us, or simply......you can register.

I know ...I know....you're in "Compaalaa coochaa" !! where you can't be seen, you're nothing but a little fishy after all ! 

C'mon lil fishy... fishy....fishy!

ps. Iranian dot com is a "brave" shark infested water, run for your life!

Whatever

You say tomato... I say tomaato...

You say conspiracy theory... whooooooo... so "X" File sounding. I say documented facts.

Cultural disease? How apt a description coming from you.

As far as learning, improving and rethinking... well, that's why we're gonna win this year!

:-0

Adios amigos... it's been fun but I gotta run.  Catch you on another blog!

The Cultural Problem

...is the environment that nurtures such conspiracy theories. It is the attitude that undermines the trust and the basis of the democratic process instead of accepting the reality and using the defeat to learn, improve and rethink ones stances.

This nonsense is well documented the same way that 9/11 truther conspiracies are well documented. Give me a break! Nonsese such as this, or the truther 9/11 conspiracies, oil conspiracies, Neocon conspiracies, AIPAC conspiracies and so on, are all symptoms of a cultural disease.

Thanks NG - here is my tribute to AW

//uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zF67main5yQ

So long American-Iranian Lady (weeping)

Zion

It is not a matter of ideological zeal.  It's well documented.  There is nothing "boastful" about stating a fact.  It sounds a little childish when you say the Democratic party is "sick"...lol. 

How ironic that YOU use words like "twisting logic"  and "blind activism" and "deep cultural problems".  Cultural??? Excuse me but this blog (and entire site) is about as multi-cultural as it can get.  I don't think the Democratic party can be considered "cultural" so the reference to cultural problems is beyond me.

American Wife,

'Democrats feel very strongly that the Republicans cheated in the 2004 elections, thus the fear of 2008 being "rigged" as well.'

If that is true, there is the problem already. "feeling strongly" about something based on nothing bu ideological zeal is not something to boast about. If that is a common trend, then the Democratic party is sick, and should try to recover.
This is very telling. Like the economic mess we have now. It worked so well for Obama and his campaign, yet I see no such conspiracy theories among Republicans. I am certain though that if the McCain campaign had benefited, your Democrats would have been "feeling strongly" that this was deliberately planned to take McCain to the White House.

I am not a zealous Republican or Democrat myself. I prefer McCain in this election, but I seriously fail to see what all this zeal is for? Either choice makes no really significant difference.

Sorry I am just not amused by twisting logic either way. It is such blind activism that goes beyond elections and campaign that constitute a really deep cultural problem.

Zion

You are partially correct about the "attitude" thing.  There is no doubt that the Democrats (especially as seen on this post) are very passionate about our candidate.  I would hope that you would agree that the Republicans are just as verbal in their support.  There is no question that both sides could tone down the rhetoric a wee bit. 

Democrats feel very strongly that the Republicans cheated in the 2004 elections, thus the fear of 2008 being "rigged" as well.  This is simply a reaction to criticism.  It's highly unlikely a similar situation could occur.  I post the following links NOT because I'm trying to convince you but rather to give validity to our feelings.  There is NO DOUBT that for each link I find you can find one claiming Bush won legitimately.

//www.opednews.com/articles/genera_sherwood_070602_how_bush_backers_che.htm

//www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2005/12/republicans-cheated-in-2004-election.html

//www.failureisimpossible.com/ElectionStudies/FAQ.htm

While I can't speak for everyone, I can speak for myself and I do believe many others.  We aren't any different than you or Kaveh or Bijan or whomever... we believe whole heartedly what we say.  Sure, we'd love to think that we can change your mind.  And I'm sure you're equally frustrated that we can't see the logic of YOUR argument.  But I wish you wouldn't try to "up" the tempo by using words like dictator, traitor, or liar. 

I think once again an interesting and productive blog has turned into a mud-slinging, name-calling free-for-all.

News Goffer.  My hat is off to you.  This IS getting a little out of control.  Thanks for your mediation....:-)  I'm definitely not an Iranian woman cause I can't cook for shit.  Loobia polow still sucks... but my husband has finally given me the seal of perfection on my maast o' khiar...:-)

Don't embarrass yourself more than you have done already

If you have nothing more to say in response, you can just remain quite. I did not change anything. I just omitted what was not directly relevant to make the quotation shorter. How does the adding those words change anything?
It was already stupid and arrogant. In full or in parts makes no difference.

Unlikely is not the same as impossible, polls are not the same as elections, and undermining the validity of the democratic process when you don't like the outcome is downright pathetic and retarded. Not that it surprises me one bit coming from your lot.

Enough said.

In Closing

I would like to leave you with the wise words of a great and enlightened philosopher.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMfr2CgIPhg

censoring my words to prove your point? LOL

As you said it yourself it'd be unlikely,

You went and changed the words "as you said it yourself" to "..."

was that to make it sound stupid or arrogant?  if you want to tell Bijan AM that he should not say "in the unlikely event that Obama loses" don't bring me into it!    I said what I think about the last two elections and in the event that Bijan would be wrong khodayeh nakardeh :0)it would still apply.

you may be able to impress some people on this site but only the ones who do not follow the related posts and comments and just read your comments passing by.  As for me, I see the twisted reality that you present as "the fact and the truth", I see how you play this game and frankly that doesn't impress me much!

hypocrisy and arrogance galore! and yet, somehow I am not surprised a bit!

IRANdokht

You are with me or you are rigged!

If Obama doesn't win, I will say exactly what I said the last two election: it was rigged

I wonder if it is possible to get more pathetic than this.

Polls are never dependable, and there have been many cases where the candidate who ended up winning had been behind in the polls.
More interesting, though, is the attitude. It is the mind set of all dictators: You are free as long as you say what I say, you are a citizen with rights as along as you agree with what I do. If not you are a traitor, a liar or in this case your votes are not valid. So clear.

My dear Bijan, Evidently It is a "true" democracy only as long as the sheep make the same noise in unison.
What was the point of asking in the first place?