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An Open Question to Zion: Why HERE?
18-Jan-2009
Yesterday, following Zion’s blog announcing the ceasefire in Gaza, I asked Zion twice why she had chosen this forum to participate on, once on that same blog and once on a different blog. Hajminator replied to me, mistakenly thinking I was suggesting Zion should leave. I wish to repost Haj’s post to me followed by my reply to him for the forum as an open question to Zion.
Hajminator wrote me: Yes, Rosie,
Thanks to noiZ, I read two good books: The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World - Avi Shlaïm, and Holocaust is Over - Avraham Burg
By her presence, if one can better understand her intentions and that she can spark such reactions among Iranian.com bloggers. So let it be, let her be here and help us find something we wouldn't search for otherwise.
My reply to Haj (with minor editing changes):
To Haj re Zion, I would be the last person in the world to...
suggest Zion (or anyone else) leave. Over and over when people have asked me do you defend her I've said, not her ideology but her right to be here and be moderated completely equitably (as you know). Over and over I said, if you don't like what Zion says you have three choices: debate, ignore or defuse (you know post a funny video clip, that kiind of thing..).
The question I asked on this thread and her ceasefire blog, Why are you here Zion ,is to be taken 100% literally. It does NOT mean go away, it means Why are you HERE? She winds up dominating every single discussion on Gaza and she attributes agendas to people the way Girl Scouts sell cookies. So she dominates and agendaizes, so I would like to know her agenda, or more specifically the rationale for her choosing to execute it here.
The question was first articulated to me by another poster comparing my rationale for being here which is transparent (I am a Persophile) with hers which is inscrutable. Does Zion really think for instance that this site is a hotbed of Islamic radicalism. Does she not understand that the volatile polarized language here all the time about mullah-licking Ommati Hebolaahi is a "family thing" that ultimately reduces to the question of "By what means and within what time frame do you suggest the IRI be changed into a secular democracy?" And that only the most deluded paranoiacs do not know this deep inside?
Why do I suddenly bring this why here Zion issue up now? Well, first of all that goldfish struck a chord. Second of all that comment here yesterday of Zion's about "tribal primitivism" of the people on this thread reminded me of the utter contempt in which she holds many Iranians, and that ceasefire blog simply chilled me to the bone. Not one iota of compassion for human suffering, not one. ALL IT DID WAS IMPUTE AGENDAS AND GLOAT. I am still shocked by the coldness of the wording,. So what is the rationale behind our being chosen as the lucky beneficiaries of such lovely words and agend-"exposing"? Why here? Why i.c..?
At the same time, yes Haj, I know Zion is an excellent source and serves an important function here (although gone way overboard through other people's collusion in incessantly engaging her...) and can at times be stunningly compassionate, as in her comment o the thread of DK's video on Arab/Israeli reconciliation.
Anyway, for anyone who's reading this who thinks for a second Zion's rationale for being here is she is an Israeli agent of some sort is falling into the thralls of the Iranian National Disease: paranoia. If that woman is an Israeli agent I am the Twelfth Iman. She has done more on this site to inculcate disgust and repulsion for Israel than the massacres themselves, as well as to fan the flames of anti-Semitism from people and in places I'd never imagined possible. Flames I've gottne singed by myself, an innocent by-stander. That compassionate ceasefire blog sure helped. Way to go Zion.
Zion, when you are displaying this particular side of your personality: you spread anti-Semtism the way an eagle spreads its wings. proudly, sweepingly and.. .
with a bird brain.
So...why here, Zion, why here?
Whether you answer me or not, whether you even know why or not you're here, I continue to defend your right to stay and be moderated by exactly the same standards as anyone else, and will continue to get sh-t thrown into my face for it no doubt... and will continue to wipe it off as usual. and procede
Rosie .
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ADDENDUM: I DO NOT WISH TO FAN THE FLAMES OF DISCORD AND I AM SORRY IF I'VE OFFENDED YOU HERE, ZION, BUT FRANKLY I FOUND YOUR TONE AND LANGUAGE IN YOUR CEASEFIRE BLOG TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS ON THIS SITE I HAVE READ MOST OFFENSIVE TO HUMAN COMPASSION AND DECENCY EVER. NOT ONE MENTION OF ONE CASUALTY, NOT ONE. SO MOCKING. I AM STILL REELING.
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On "reelings" of a "Jew"
by Zion on Sun Jan 18, 2009 06:49 PM PSTJust one example among many.
Excerpts of a particular blog:
//iranian.com/main/blog/iranian-reader/al...
'Allaho akbar... this time I almost responded to the calls for takbir. I had to suppress an urge that almost bubbled to the surface. Somewhere very deep in my consciousness I registered the capacity of this phrase, Allaho Akbar...Then there were the young men at the demonstration, wrapped in kafiyehs and oozing very angry male energy...I trembled for those young men whose anger screamed grief as much as it did revenge. I tremble for the young men who have no choice but to fight. I tremble that what they expect of themselves—and what society expects of them—is to fight, to defend, to set right...I also got reminded of the Israeli father of a former classmate of my son’s. This guy oozed conflictedness...When he had left the army his mother had said, “So you’re not going to defend us anymore?” One schmuck of a Jewish mother... My stepson has been wearing a kafieyh...he has that kind of capacity for compassion and courage... . '
The subject's response:
'You didn't ramble, it's one of the best written pieces here. Thanks.'
A simple informative blog about ceasefire with a simple kudos to Israel:
//iranian.com/main/blog/zion/well-its-ove...
The same subject's response:
'... I AM BEING EXPOSED TO HER MORAL HARDCORE PORNOGRAPHY IN THAT CEASEFIRE BLOG WHICH IS A SHAME TO EVERY JEW ON THIS PLANET... I am still reeling.'
No comment (needed.)
OH GIMME A BREAK ZION THANKS FOR SPEAKING UP!
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Sun Jan 18, 2009 06:26 PM PSTYOU TELL MEHDI THANKS FOR SPEAKING UP!
I SPOKE UP FOR YOU A MILLION TIMES. I SPOKE UP FOR YOU WHEN YOU SHOWED THOSE BOGUS DISGUSTING PHONEY PALESTINIAN VIDEOS, I WAS THE ONLY PERSON ON THE LEFT WHO AGREED WITH YOU AND TRIED TO GET EVERYONE ELSE TO ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG (not BOGUS, that was OBVIOUS, but WRONG).
I SPOKE UP FOR YOU WHEN I BLOGGED ON BEHALF OF ALL THE ZIONISTS HERE WHO ARE A SMALL MINORITY OF WHICH I AM NOT ONE AND QUESTIONED IF THE MODERATION SYSTEM IS FAIR. I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO FORMALLY QUESTIONED IT AND I GOT A LOTTA FLAK FOR IT BUT I SPOKE UP FOR YOU!
and you told me I was playing a GAME for not confronting JJ head on and slamming him for being biased....
and then you have the AUDACITY to come here and thank MEHDI for SPEAKING UP for you when you haven't answered ONE simple question, why here? Anyone who asked me that I'm happy to tell them EXACTLY how I got here..
TWICE I asked you Zion TWICE on your blog AND on the DK blog which you are still participating on: Why here, Zion, I'm curious?
I gave it 24 hours. You didn't answer. A SIMPLE question from someone who's busted her booty speaking up for you...
and then you thank Mehdi for SPEAKING UP as though you're the VICTIM of some INJUSTICE here?
WHAT'S THE MATTER, ZION, Cat got your tongue?
And as for the Anarchist...oh how cute..show him that piece of moral pornography you wrote of a ceasefire blog and ask him if he likes it and if he says yes..
tell him I told him to go jerk himself off with it.
Wow!
by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Sun Jan 18, 2009 06:21 PM PSTEbi jan,
Nice........very nice......
Solh va Doosti
So Mehdi, if Zion's intention is to explain things to "educated
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Sun Jan 18, 2009 06:16 PM PSTIranians" why did she laugh at everyone EXCEPT HER SUPPORTERS at the end of the DK blog and accuse them of "tribal primitivism"?
It was that comment and that AWFUL ceasefire blog that prompted me to do this.
Maybe what is in YOUR Post is the reason why YOU are here....but I wouldn't go so far as to impute it to Zion without making some changes such as "pimitive Iranians" for educated. I have managed since a year ago to keep out of this but it is no longer possible after that ceasefire blog. Can you honestly tell me you approve of that piece of filth in civil discoursespeak"? Sorry to disappoint you...bleeding heart universalists"..with all those kids without arms and legs...can you tell me so? Can you please read over Zion's ceasefire blog and tell me you endorse the spirit and the tone of it and the total exclusion of acknowledgement of any pain caused to any person living or dead in Gaza or on this website
Can you do that for me? Tell me whether you endorse that ceasefire blog?
I look forward to a reply.
Rosie
PS Oh and don't forget when you do to answer the question I asked you twice already: CAN YOU SHOW ME THAT THE ISRAELIS DID NOT INTENTIONALLY LIGHT THE FLARES FOR THE MASSACRES AT SABRA AND SHATILLA>
You lectured me and lectured me, on and on, you deconstructed a story I told about my life, accused me of all kinds of hypocrisies and falsifications, I answered you interspersed form, piece by piece, blow by blow, it was loooooooooong...
you threw volumes of historical facts and figures at me about Arab/Israelii conflicts to prove either my ignorance or hypocrisy or both..
and you wouldn't answer the ONE simple question I asked you, BEGGED you, PLEASE show me they did not light the flares on purpose so I could have PEACE OF MIND.
you subject me to the martyrdom of your caustic scrutiny and then you don't respond to my simple question, the most BASIC question.. WHAT ABOUT THE FLARES?
IWANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE FLARES! I'M ASKING YOU! TELL ME ABOUT THE FLARES!
and then you come here to sermonize about WHAT EVERY OPEN AND EDUCATED SOCIETY WOULD AND SHOULD WELCOME.
So, to recapitulate:
1) Do you condone that disgusting piece of moral pornography Zion published as a ceasefire blog?
2) Can you show me evidence the Israeli soldiers did not light the flares on purpose>
THEN come back and sermonize me somemore.
OH and one more thing, sorry...
YOu're PERSIAN, Mehdi. You're a PERSIAN Israeli. YOur motives for expressing your concern about Israel HERE on this website are TRANSPARET. As are mine. I am a Persophile, an Iranologist.
ZION IS NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS.
i WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC RATIONALE FOR WHICH THIS PERSON HAS CHOSEN THIS WEBSITE WHERE I AM BEING EXPOSED TO HER MORAL HARDCORE PORNOGRAPHY IN THAT CEASEFIRE BLOG WHICH IS A SHAME TO EVERY JEW ON THIS PLANET.
Rosie Jaan
by ebi amirhosseini on Sun Jan 18, 2009 06:15 PM PSTcheers
Ebi aka Haaji
Dear Mehdi
by Zion on Sun Jan 18, 2009 06:05 PM PSTThanks for your words of support, and thanks for being here and for speaking up.
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Dear Anonymous Answer, thanks.
Dear Kaykavoos Mashangii, thanks. Especially for at least being a consistent anarchist. So rare to find these days. :-)
I will tell you why zion is here.
by Mehdi Mazloom on Sun Jan 18, 2009 05:54 PM PSTamid the virulent hatred which is leveled on Israel, and in some quarters on Jews (Zionists), It is perfectly appropriate for her (and other Israelis) to present to educated Iranians the other side of the coin. This way you can read both sides of the argument. The Arab (which you get a plenty of) and the Israeli one.
I think we should thanks her for taking the time to do what every open and educated societies would 9and should) welcome.
Khodah ne-gar-dar shoon basheh
Look Free Spirit I don't know why Zion gets so much attention
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Sun Jan 18, 2009 05:51 PM PSTon this website either but the fact is SHE DOES.
And since she DOES and that makes her the DE FACTO CENTERPIECE of the entire Gaza discussion
and since her entire thesis here is that everyone who wants to help the Gazans has some insideous agenda/secret rationale...
I would like to know what her rationale is for bringing all this aggendaizing HERE.
That's all.
It's not my intention to bring her more attention here. In fact that would probably not be humanly or logistically possible.
SHE IS THE CENTERPIECE ON GAZA. I can't change that.
But I can inquire into why she wants this to be so and has made this apparently her focal point in life--outside of her job, I guess.
I think if you were Jewish and you read that Ceasefire blog from my perspective you would really want some explanation too.
I am still reeling.
& why not
by Kaykaavoos Mashangii on Sun Jan 18, 2009 05:42 PM PSTWho is Zion ? is he Jewish? & why not? & why you ask? & why Arabs, Iranians turks kurds shiaas americans spanish french & not a Jew? booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooboooooooooooooli boooooooooooooooooo. take care !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Side view lady & face the world . break the whole world order,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Anarchism.......................no borders......................no tyrany...........no israel no palestine
no nobody........just freedom
A Humane Anarchist exposing hypocracy of the humanity
Why do.........
by Free Spirit on Sun Jan 18, 2009 05:35 PM PSTWhy do so many people debate/argue with Zion?
Q is constantly arguing with her. He kept trying to figure out her gender. Who cares what the gender of Zion is!
I don't undertstand why Zion gets soooooooo much attention from many on this website.
I no longer discourse or go on any of her blogs. Problem solved!
She will continue to be Zion. No one will change her mind frame.
By the way
by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun Jan 18, 2009 04:56 PM PSTI just came back from pre-inauguration festivities at DC while Obama and his family were attending the Lincoln Memorial concert with many singers and artists and Bono of U2 while singing said this is a dream not just for Americans .... but for Irish .... Africans and .... Palestinians to the roar of the crowd.
So...why here, Zion, why here?
by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun Jan 18, 2009 04:43 PM PSTWhere else? Who else really cares about this BS? Most importantly where else, which middle eastern venue, really "cares" about this BS this way? and I suppose mostest importantly where else can an attention deprived person find a home? This is what this is all about, attention, not any Israeli or Palestinian cause(s).
May I?
by Anonymous Answerer (not verified) on Sun Jan 18, 2009 04:41 PM PSTLately this site looks more like palestine.com instead of iranian.com, showing the iranian face of "kaaseh daagh tar az aash" or pot hotter than the soup.
We iranians have not had the ability or the wisdom or the stamina to displace the equally-brutal regime occupying iran with iranian victims for the past 30 years, and all of a sudden all have become experts and humanists for the arab causes. Maybe IRI propaganda aimed at distraction has really worked well. Palestinians have 350 million arab brothers and another 1.2 billion moslims who do not give a damn about them; but where have all these sympathizers been for the past 30 years while 40,000+ youths executed in iran by IRI or girls kidnapped and raped in islamic prisons on a daily basis.
Cheraaghi keh beh khooneh ravaast, beh masjed haraam ast.