rosie is roxy is roshan

what a surprise, in the

what a surprise, in the right moment someone called "persia" (who is as persian as i'm chinese) appears to give sniveling zion comfort and endorsement. 

Hajmin 0:2

"When you're recruited to spread the ideology of an organization. Try to be a bit smarter than usual. Otherwise, you will bring more harm to your organization than what was expected."

over a week and still no truth?

baba hash rooz gozash va hanooz ye roodeye rast peyda nashod tu shikam taraf!

Dear Persia

I agree that the regime in Iran is at the very core of all the troubles in the Middle East. I doubt they have any kind of popular support, because if that was the case, they wouldn't need to filter candidates and prepare sham elections. Nevertheless, they evidently have enough number of armed ideologically sympathizing supporters to remain in control, even though they would still be a small percentage of the total population. What I see is a cultural battle going on, a gradual reawakening of the original identity clashing with an alliance of medieval imposed structures and modern ideologies.

Hey Zion

I said that wherever you go, the room's comments will explode. But, no use to make a monologue to proof my theory.

It's  ridiculous...

Let me imagine the next move.

Dear Persia,

Yes indeed there are a bunch of brainwashed leftists who came to US but continue to keep their old IRI way of thinking. Bla Bla

zion

We need to understand the mentality of our fanatic fundamentalist regime in Iran. Life is totally black or white for them—there are no shades of grey and unfortunately they have the popular support. I mean it was the Iranians themselves who put the fanatic Islamic revolution in power. Infact they voted for the Islamic republic in 1979 and they have been voting for the presidential elections eversince in which they have the choice of choosing between several craps and they try to pick the best crap but the fact of the matter is crap is crap. There is no good or bad crap. Then comes the Supreme Islamic leader who controls everything.

Believe me, even in the heart of America there are bunch of Iranians who claim to be normal but deep inside they are in Burqa and they have that kind of mentality that you see in this blog. Do not let these fanatics to bother you for it is not their fault. They have been brainwashed since childhood to hate the others. Many claim that they resent Arabs and call Arabs uncivilized but when it comes to reality they are are the ones that are uncivilized. They hate every one and even make fun of their own people. They make fun of the Turkisk minority and call them donkey. They hate Zorostrians and call them Atish parast. They hate the Bahai's .They even hate jews and Armenians. They call Ghazvini's gays, Rashti's prostitutes. So on and soforth. I mean look. Despite all of what is happening in Iran . I mean stonings, Tortures, Executions , they sit quite and instead side with groups such as Hezbollah , Jihad and Hamas. They hate Israel more than they hate the Iranians regime which has maimed, beheaded many Iranians for no legitimate reason.

In my opinion , there will be no peace in the middle east as long as this regime (the Islamic Republic of Iran) thrives on the misery of others.

Dear Persia

I agree with most of what you say. However the truth is, Israel is also guilty for things having come to all this. Israel should have found and helped clean secular freedom seekers among Palestinians. Instead they have either sided with one thug against the other, Hamas against Fatah, Fatah against Hamas, Arafat and now Abbas against some other jerk on the other side. It's futile, but they still play this stupid game. So I agree with you, but israel could have played it smart and right and helped bring real change to the Palestinian arabs and the truth is, she hasn't done a good job in that department.
Thanks again my friend.

in response to Zion

This "Peace Process" between Israel and the "Palestinians" is all but dead. The Islamic Republic of Iran and their Proxy groups i,e Hezbollah, Hahas and Islmic Jihad teach "Jihad" and try to brainwash the Arab pupulation... Holy War Against All Non-Moslims. Thus there is no chance for peace for the time being

O.K., so Israel Gave Peace a Chance. It was a good try. It is not working! She was dealt a bad hand and now it's time to fold. The culture of peace that was supposedly nurtured over the last decade was nothing more than a delusion. The only thing nurtured by the Arabs and their mullah supporters was hatred and incitement to kill the Isrealis, suicide bombing and throwing thousands of rockets into Israel. So where does Israel go from here? Try to defend it's citizens by any means necessary just like any other country does.

Hajmin 0:1

"When you're in the presence of a war porn, it's probably one of your rare occasions to see how the depth to which the human soul can be corrupted, becomes the catalyst for a nightmarish."

It's not a war

... going on Natalia to need peacemakers. There are decent people with whom I enjoy debating and exchanging ideas here, and then there is this mob. Matthew 5:9 's Peacemakers do not apply to such a mob, Matthew 7:6 on the other hand describes the situation perfectly.

Zion one must also remember

"Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the children of God."

                         -Matthew 5:9

I do understand the need to wait. :o)

However, when you do write it ....if I may suggest that it be done in an objective/scholarly type of style. It will reduce the amount of strife.

Matthew 7:6 -

"Do not give what is holy to dogs"

That's why some suggested to keep this site away from you.

Your noiz ain't a normal barcking, but it looks more  like a Mo..mon..mons...monst... yelling

Oww I'm scared.

Matthew 7:6, Natalia

No. I haven't, and even though I had the idea for some time to write a piece about it here, I won't. Given the present atmosphere in this website, it will only bring another wave of innuendo, attack and meaningless noise from the usual crowd. What's the point?

Who knows, Perhaps later when things change and the conditions become somewhat normalized... .

Zion

Have you written a blog on this? If not, you should. It is very interesting.

Zion,

Sorry to disrupt your monologue.

The Jewish community in Iran is one of the oldest in the Jewish Diaspora as it is installed in the country since the sixth century BC.

The relationship between both nations, of Iran and Israel, was renforced when Darius II built the first Jewish temple in Persia. This relationship was focused on cities, people and their cultures without any nationalist concepts (see Ezra 1, 3). So, please don’t mix the humanitirian goals of Cyrus and your Zionist ideology.

I wrote this on Rosie’s Blog:


If generous universalist ideas (contained in some particular writings of Judaism and Christianity) can be distorted and lead, for example, to the communism. Nationalist ideas, which are basically perverse, can easily become institutionally violent, as what Europe knew 60 years ago. Whatever the military and police forces of Israel, the security of Israeli Jews will not be ensured unless a relative justice for all people living that region.

If Cyrus was an ultra-nationalist, as yourself, he would have shown his third finger to people who needed his help.

To free Spirit

From M.L. King Jr.

"... You declare, my friend; that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist'. And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of G-d's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- this is G-d's own truth.

"Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so.

"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered our L-rd. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested -- DEMANDED -- the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.

"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfillment of G-d's promise, that His people should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is anti-Semitism.

"The anti-Semite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the anti-Semite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!

"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate anti-Semitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled -- as others have been -- into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to those heartfelt principles that you and I share. Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- make no mistake about it."

From M.L. King Jr., "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend,"
Saturday Review XLVII (August 1967), pg. 76
Reprinted in M.L. King Jr., "This I Believe: Selections from the Writings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.")

Martin Luther King could identify prejudice better than any of us. Had he lived longer, I believe that the entire society in the United States would have looked much different than it does today. May his memory be blessed.

Respond to free spirit

From MLK Jr.

"... You declare, my friend; that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist'. And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of G-d's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- this is G-d's own truth.

"Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so.

"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered our L-rd. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested -- DEMANDED -- the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.

"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfillment of G-d's promise, that His people should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is anti-Semitism.

"The anti-Semite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the anti-Semite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!

"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate anti-Semitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled -- as others have been -- into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to those heartfelt principles that you and I share. Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- make no mistake about it."

From M.L. King Jr., "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend,"
Saturday Review XLVII (August 1967), pg. 76
Reprinted in M.L. King Jr., "This I Believe: Selections from the Writings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.")

Martin Luther King could identify prejudice better than any of us. Had he lived longer, I believe that the entire society in the United States would have looked much different than it does today. May his memory be blessed.

Indeed dear Persia

I agree with you. It might be interesting for you to know that Lord Balfour whose declaration was a milestone in the history of modern Zionism, recognizing Jewish legacy on the land and in the return of Jews to Israel in our times was constantly compared to Cyrus the Great in his life time and even to this day parallels are made.
One instance:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Return_to_Zion

There is more than Cyrus and the Achaemenids. In Parthian and Sassanid times, there was a fully recognized government in exile for Jews in Persia, with a hereditary head of state (the Exilarch) and a head Rabbi as well as an army that operated as part of the Persian armada. There were even instances of arranged joining of the royal bloodlines of the two kingdoms. At least two of Sassanid kings are known to have had Jewish mothers from the Davidic royal bloodline for instance. I'd say they were definitely the zionists of their time, and Persia was in many ways comparable to the United States for Jews today, given all the limitations of that era of course (There were some sporadic religious intolerance at certain times, but this was not the general trend.)

Zion

Dear Zion,

Being a Zionist means supporting Israel’s right to self-defense as a sovereign nation. By Definition, .he very first Zionist was Cyrus the great.
I was amused to wander through the story of Cyrus the Great, the emperor of Persia, who freed the Jews from the Babylonian captivity and allowed, and encouraged, them to return to Jerusalem. He was the world's first, and most effective, Zionist . Cyrus was the ruler of the greatest empire the word had ever seen, from the Bosphorus to the Red Sea, from the Mediterranean to the Indus. He was a brilliant general and a superb civil administrator. His governing philosophy was to rule with popular support.

Jewish life flourished under his rule and that of his successors. His grandson, Xerxes. He's known in the Jewish tradition as the benevolent husband of Esther.

If you mean.......

If you mean talk is cheap then yes it is. :o)

It seems now a days everyone wants to go to war over whatever for who ever.

Let me ask you this: How much is a human life worth?

It seems more and more that some societies see a human life as being disposable.

**************

                     -Martin Luther King Jr.

Free Spirit

We are not too rich to buy cheap stuff.


Nothing is sacred for those who believe in REAL freedom of speech. Not for those who benefit from your HUMAN kindness to spread their hate.


That may corrode our personalities...

Well if I may......

Mooshe Mazloom,

I do understand your point. However, when does it all end. Tell me, with all this blood shed in the name and cause of whatever......has anyone ever really won?

 Too much blood has already been shed on both sides. I'm not saying any particular side is right. It is not for me to say. All I say is that the price has been too high .......blood compounded on blood.......

Imagine...

That a palestinian goes on a Zionist web site and uses Yasser Arafat as avatar.


Just imagine...


The guy, pisses all zionists off ...


shows his finger to all...


And then when things go bad for him, he begins to whine. "No I love Israel, it's the land of my ancestors, you're all a bunch of racists against arabs, etc."


Do you think, that Zionists would ask themselves existentialist questions like, "oh look at the little arab he's really cute inside?"


No, I think that Zionists would find the guy and hang him by his testicles.

Like...........

"Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true. "

                -Martin Luther King Jr.

GIYUS

Shame that this forum is being manipuated by the GIYUS crowd.

Irandokht

Irandokht_jAn, Zion has also advocated surgical attack on Iran which crosses the line of decency ... that makes it even more necessary to engage her.... for the very same reason we argued with programmer_craig (he was much more difficult than Zion or you (just kidding)!) ...

Anonym7

It's ok to feel passionate about your beliefs, have an opinion and express it too. I don't think it's right when your opinion costs people their lives and you end up ridiculing people who do not agree with you just to justify your stance.

your "zion_jAn" has been calling the pictures of dead children "war porn" and insulted all of us with her cease fire blog. I think that's crossing the line of decency.

IRANdokht

Zion, ..., Irandokht!

Zion_jAn, you and Irandokht have much more in common than you think, as someone said recently, that is from DNA level. You are both hot headed and stubborn!

Iranian Patriot Aziz

I don't want to polemic on the issue. We have ALL a lot to give to our community (Zion, Q, .. me and you). What I know, is that we can succeed to build something relevant if we tolerate each one's view and surely not by taking extreme positions - To get ride of this regime we have to unify our forces and not to waste it in childish trench warfare.

All these remind me a Joke: A hamshahri was walking aside a wall, he receives a paper on his head and dies. People go to see what happened and read Brick on the paper.

We here, think we can destroy IRI by sending each other electronic comments saying Down to IRI, you f###'n supporter.

Dear Iranian Patriot

Thank you my friend, but please, no need to argue with them, we are dealing with a mob here. That is not how mobs operate.

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Anonym7, the Lady has a point again. Don' you realize there is a lynching going on? Your interruptions aren't helping, harmonize yourself with the objectives of your mob. It is only fair to demand it.