Souri

Re: Prince

Prince: I have read the text. This is the way to go. I agree with all items in the text. Do you know if Montazeri has spoken about this at all?

Souri: You are right in being suspicious and I believe you when you say you are connected to the realities of Iran. However, re-read my earlier post and reconsider.

P.S. I am not pro-mousavi, but I am hoping that people can "use" him as a way of getting true reforms established in Iran. The only other way is bloodshed. I hope the demonstrators, the people of Iran, will sustain their efforts and succeed in at least partially getting what they want.

Response to : No matter how well -- Pro- m

At this moment in time, I think you are right with your reasoning and Souri is wrong.

Suri va doostan

As much as I believe that you and some other people here have good intentions, I cannot dismiss the fact that it is obvious to me that you guys live in LALA Land!  Please try to come down to earth and try to see the harsh realities of life!  If not Musavi, then who at this time? Are we supposed to sit back and take this brutality and injustice waiting for the second coming of Jesus? I mean according to your analysis, Jesus would pretty much is our only option, since all politician in someway or other corrupt.  But oh no! You suggested that we vote for the Monkey because he is more popular!!  How did you conclude that? IRI’s trustworthy official data?!! Give me a break lady. When was the last time you were in Iran?!  The choice is not between good or evil here. It is between Evil and less evil! If Musavi gives one inch more room to people than Antari, I would go for him. That is why I voted for him.  And I do not regret it a bit! I am proud of it as a matter of fact. Because my vote forced the IRI to show its real demonic face and there is no going back. The mask of Dowlateh Mehr  is now lifted for the world to see. Now it is time for people to take over.  Not only this wave is not going away, it has just started. Wake up and smell the coffee below;

         بیانیه‌ای که در راهپیمایی روز دوشنبه بین مردم پخش شد
١- خلع ید از خامنه‌ای بخاطر دارا نبودن شرط رهبر عادل
٢- خلع ید ازاحمدی نژاد بخاطر غصب غیر قانونی مقام ریاست جمهوری
٣- رهبری موقت آیت الله العظمی منتظری تا تشکیل کمیته بازنگری به قانون اساسی
٤- برسمیت شناختن موسوی بعنوان رییس جمهور منتخب مردم
٥- تشکیل دولت توسط موسوی و فراهم کردن مقدمات اصلاح قانون اساسی
٦- آزادی فوری وبدون قید وشرط همه زندانیان سیاسی با هرگونه مرام وعقیده
٧- انحلال فوری کلیه ارگانهای علنی و مخفی سرکوب نظیر گشت ارشاد  

Good post

Thanks for having posted this. The fact that I have been away from Iran does not play as a substantial argument, sorry. Sometimes, reading some of the people post here, I get the feeling that I am much more in tune with the people inside of Iran that the ones who are abroad only since a few years. I have always been connected to my country. Nevertheless, I might be wrong in my judgment this time.

There's no need to repeat again all I've said. I think my many posts today in different blogs, have said already a lot. All in all, I do not approve Mousavi, I can't trust him, because of his past and because of what he is doing now, as provoking the young people, call them for a rally under such dangerous circumstances.

remember Al Gore? He was even announced as the President, not just having an illusion of the vitory but the real one! Should he also call the partisans to go for a rally, could you imagine the disaster they would face in the streets of this democratic country? Are you telling me that the American police would not interfere? And I have so many other example like this, in France and in other countries.

In case if he will win his battle, I will still be very pessimistic about the outcome of that victory.

I rest my case.

Respectfully,

No matter how well

No matter how well intenetioned all of you are (I am certain you are), nevertheless, you have been away from Iran for too long and are disconnected from the inner realities of that country.

There are many who are supporting Mousavi in Iran because they HATE the IRI. Yet they hold Mousavis' prictures and chant slogans supporting him, a man who is just another side of the IRI coin, and many of the demonstrators KNOW this.

They do this to protect themselves from IRI potential brutality. Mousavi's pictures are a shield. Just think what would happen to some demonstrators who hold, say, Reza Pahalvi's picture and chant slogans in his favor.

Think for a second what would happen to them?

Or what would it happen if they start chanting "Death to Khamenei" or "death to the IRI"? These people would be immediately dealt with in the harshest manners.

The intelligent people of Iran "daaran az aabe gel aalood maahi migirand", what else can they do?

Also, remember that up to September of 1978, Iran's demonstrators were chanting slogans in FAVOR of the "ghanoone asaasi", which supported a monarchy system. In their chants, they said they just want the government not to violate "ghanoone assaasi".

Were they pro-monarchy and just anti-mohamad reza shah? I doubt it. But what else could they have done early on without facing an immediate and harsh response?

In many ways this tactic disarmed the Shah's government and bought much needed time for the demonstrators. Only after they gained sufficient momentum they began chanting "death to the Shah", not before.

The same is happening today in Iran. Many demonstrators are true pro-Moushavi's, but the majority hate the IRI and wouldn't hesitate chanting "death to Mousavi", if they can gather sufficient momentum.

We must remember 1978-1979.

emrooz mardom be stotooh aamade'and. But they are not as naive as they were 30 years ago. They need our every help.

To Mina and ID

I think I wasn't clear in my message. I was talking to us, the people living abroad, I never said the young should not fight for what they think is right.

secondly, you said "we did the mistake not them" ...absolutely right, agree.

Third, I didn't say we provoke the people inside of Iran. I said by our support, we are encouraging them to think that they are chosing the right battle. 

You said the battle is between the Taliban and the corruption. Maybe. But I don't think the left side (Amadinejad and Co) are the same as the Taliban. Can you compare the life of Iranian women with the women in Afghanistan? Are you telling me that even in the little matter of "dress code" they are similar? How many laywyers and deputy and actress women they had under the Taliban? 

But this is were we differ in opinion. I can't vote for corruption.

All in all, this is not my battle and I do not support it at all.

Souri jan

Although you have many good points and I also have my doubts about the actual reason behind the current presidential election dispute, I don't believe they're making a mistake and I don't believe it's for the second time as you're claiming here.

Just a  few point:

1- it was their parents who made the first mistake, not them!

2- the reports coming from Iran took a lot of us who live abroad by surprise. We had nothing to do with the demonstrations and the high emotions on behalf of the green voters. We are barely witnesses from the beginning of this movement a few weeks ago. It's called "supporting them" but not encouraging them.

3- Mousavi although a shady character is at this time the crack in the wall as Ali mentioned and he's serving a purpose. 

4- These kids are not trying to overturn IRI, they're trying to change the system from within, something we should have thought about and not dismissed. Now that they have started we should NOT try to "talk sense into them" and stop them!!!  that's not what they Iranians need right now. 

We need to support them in any way we can. The best that could come out of this might be a more moderate regime that would allow the people to discuss politics, write blogs, not get arrested for personal preferences etc... 

If this is a battle between Rafsanjani and Khamenei, for the people in Iran,  it can translate into living under a corrupt regime or under Taliban. Let them make the decision. They're the ones who have to live with their government. Getting rid of Taliban-like government would be much harder, let them take advantage of the dispute between the mullahs and save themselves.

Besides, since when the young has listened to the advice of their parents who say don't do the same mistake I did?  did you?  ;-)

IRANdokht

Souri Jan

Then we are in disagreement.  I, for one, do not believe that they are endangering their lives because we (people outside Iran) "provoke" them.  This mentality, is an insult to our Youths'  intelligence .  And a sign of grandiosity/arrogance.     

Mina jan

Yes honey, we are influencing them. The western media, including all these manifestation in front of the different Iranian Embassies, are influencing the youth in Iran.

I am not arrogant honey, I feel sad and hopeless for our youngsters. This is the whole thing I am saying. I have never been against figthinig for the rights and never against protestation and manifestation, but this time, I want my people to choose their battle rightly.

I'd provided a link above, where JJ and Kaveh stated their surprise about screaming "allah o akbar" on the roofs. I asked them (and everybody):

Are you guys really surprised? or you are only in denial?  Haven't we been trough this, once in the past?

As I said before: not same mistake twice!!

Great point!

Dear Souri,

Thank you so much for your insightful blog! Yesterday I made the mistake of going to LA's protest against the election results, and while listening to slogans I realized that I was in the wrong place...that I had no clue who Moosavi was and I hadn't even voted to be able to shout: Where is my vote?!!!!

You're so right dear! No new revolution is happening...it is just a fight between two brothers: sag zard and shoghal!

Thanks again, Azarin

Souri Jan

You have many valid points.  However, I do not believe that the Iranian Youth are provoked by anyone living outside Iran.  Lack of freedom, injustice, fraud and brutality of the regime have mobolized them into action. Thinking, otherwise is a sign of arrogance. 

NWO

Dear Souri,
Gods Bless the NWO.

cracks

I believe that if there is a crack in a wall you are trying to bring down , you drive a wedge through it. 

If this wedge happens to be called Mousavi , then so be it.

What else can the masses do?I guess the answer must come from people who do have a political view!

Excellent!

Dear Souri,

your insight and analyis is very true but bitter for many to swollow.  Will they ever learn?

FR

my anwer

I say NO! yes, true I say I will never rally again behind a flag which is not mine!! I don't rally behind a green flag which represent only "Islamic religion" and everybody here knows what green color means in Iran and everybody like to fool themselves !!

I have no specific political views for the time being. All I know, is that I would never support the kind of Mousavi for their personal goal, which has nothing to do with the benefit of my nation.

Mousavi has been already there, he is tried already. Most of the people vote for him only because they have enough of Ahmadinejad. .....and that is not enough for me to go behind Mousavi's flag. Sorry!

****Added :

"Any change has to come from inside. It has to be united and it has to be peaceful."

I agree hundred per cent!! That is how I think too. But not the kind of Mousavi-Rafsanjani ertejaee people!! I always said Mousavi-Rafsanjani are worse than Ahmadinejad.  Guess what? If I were living in Iran and had to vote in this election, I would absolutely voted for Ahmadinejad against Mousavi. Ahmadinejad is more for the people than Mousavi, while both are still ertejaee.

oppotunity?

I asked the question , what else? Mousavi appears to be the only figure to which the masses can rally behind? Who else do people have , Bani Sadr , Reza Pahlavi , Masod Rajavi , who ? He could be the only relevant one standing inside the ring and with the masses who supported him. In a brief post today , I asked the question support of Mousavi at this juncture of our history? Your answer is clearly a no and your message to masses is that they are making a mistake ( twice !! )

Absolutely not!

"Are you telling these 12 million ( 0r 25 million ) that they are wrong?"

Absolutely not!

The 12 million (or even more) voted Mousavi becasue they believe in
him. Mousavi (and others) should not use people and manipulate them for
getting where they want!! It is only a power struggle, and not
constructive in the violent way they are leading it. Calling people to
do a rally under such situation, is the most inhuman and
anti-democratic way of fighting for a defeated candidate. They are just
abusing the sincere feeling of their partisans. This nation, has already gave
too much for the IRI. Mousavi is also IRI, what you think he is? Where
does he come from? What is his past?

All I said is: think rationally please. Not same mistake twice!!

What else?

Even if you believe the government numbers , over 12 million people voted for Mousavi ( others claim over 25 million !! ). 12 million people played the game according to rules made up by the government. Any change has to come from inside. It has to be united and it has to be peaceful. This government played a risky game. They may have been sure of the outcome , but they had not counted on the side effects of mobilizing between 12 to 25 million people. Are you telling these 12 million ( 0r 25 million ) that they are wrong? If so , what are they to do?