شاه الله یها: شاه فقط ۶۲ میلیون دلار دزدید... بهرام مشیری
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And you're Opinion less ...
by Darius Kadivar on Sun May 29, 2011 01:41 PM PDTBut that's nothing new in IRANICA is it ? ...
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQdhMSEqhfg&feature=related
"A Country that Loses it's Poetic Vision is a Country that faces death" -Saul Bellow
"Dk, You are out of LINE"
by پندارنیک on Sun May 29, 2011 03:30 AM PDTMy dear DK, has my irrovacable consent for moving the said "LINE" wherever he wishes, hence making it impossible for any member of the Olagh community( no real insult intended, just a simple quote ) to accuse him of stepping out of it.
Dk, You are out of LINE
by Maryam Hojjat on Sun May 29, 2011 03:17 AM PDTMonarchism has blinded you to be rational.
Didn't Know a Monarch had to justify his or her fortune ?
by Darius Kadivar on Sat May 28, 2011 03:25 PM PDTThat You Folks personally don't like the concept of Royalty, pageantry and pomp that is your Right but don't try to define something you clearly don't understand:
ROYAL FORUM: Explaining the Concept of a Constitutional Monarchy to a Staunch Republican
And I am not merely speaking about what you folks deem as being is a Constitutional Monarchy. The Monarchy Constitutional or Not by definition unlike a Republic is not an egalitarian system and never claimed to be one. it is not even a democratic one including in the most sophisticated forms today like Great Britain but Only Benevolently democratic:
How Truly Democratic And Stable Is The British Monarchy?
There is Only something known as a Parliamentary Democracy. They can be either Republics or Monarchies for that matter. And Neither for your information became fully democratic and accountable overnight.
In order to have one:
How Genuinely Democratic and Representative was the Parliament in Pahlavi Iran ?
The minimum is to ask yourself GENUINELY and OBJECTIVELY why it did not work in our country:
THE PAST IS A FOREIGN COUNTRY: How Would You Evaluate Iran's Democracy Index in 1953 ?
Instead of repeating the same baseless clichés ...
Democracy is first and foremost a Mindset. It's not just about having rights but having the Collective Wisdom to maintain it and safeguard it. If you lost it all you cannot blame it merely on one man. That's simplistic and quite honestly 32 years on I would even say it is not only indecent but an insult to anyone's intelligence given the level of decrepitude to which our nation has fallen low due to that collective POOR CHOICE !
Khomeiny’s Hichi
We Monarchists never claimed to Be Democrats ... We Claim to be Patriots at Best. You are the ones claiming to be Democrats Yet Delivered HELL on the Nation. If anyone has to make apologies it's Those who advocated the Wrong Recipe to the Ills of a Nation.
Otherwise then the Queen Of England's entire Fortune and Family should be held accountable and brought to trial for crimes commited by their ancestors:
HORRIBLE HISTORIES - The 4Georges: 'Born 2 Rule'
In monarchies the King is the living embodiment of the Nation, there is no such thing as a Democratic Monarchy. When you insult the Monarch you explicitly are insulting the Nation through him or Her.
Even Your President is the first to acknowledge this when he Toasts his Royal Host and Not her British subjects:
AN EAGLE HAS LANDED: Obama Hails UK-US's "Special Relationship" during State Visit
As such for better of for worse the Monarchy is not a hypocritical institution since it doesn't claim to be anything else ...
For It's not because as US Citizens including you or Mr. Moshiri ( if you both are lucky enough to have become a US Citizen ) may have voted for the above fellow into office, that you are entitled to be invited to State Dinners nor have the privalege of dining Luxuriously at the White House unless you belong to diplomatic corps or are a celebrity.
Same thing here in France where we never get to enjoy the State Dinners or fly First Class on Airforce One to those dinners to which our leaders are invited :
Republic VS Monarchy In Style ...
And Yet they owe you folks their jobs.
Now that You Geddas Brought about this Republic of Traitors to Rule Iranzamin and are disappointed by Your Poor Choice That is Not Our Problem ...
FED UP WITH POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: Ahmadinejad is NOT my Prime Minister !
We have Been Accountable for Our Responsibilities of the Past to the degree which has been possible:
ROYAL ACCOUNTABILITY: Crown Prince Reza Praises Mossadegh's Patriotism (ANDISHEH TV)
ROYAL ACCOUNTABILITY: Crown Prince Reza on Torture During His Father's Rule
Despite the Fact that YOU GOT YOUR REVOLUTIONARY VENGEANCE:
HISTORY OF VIOLENCE: IRI's Reign of Terror Begins (BBC Report 1979)
pictory:(FOR REFERENDUM BASHERS) Women Punched in Face by Revolutionaries
Including to this day:
trial at Tehran'sRevolutionary Court, Mohammad Reza Ali Zamani, and Arash Rahmanipour, membersof "Anjoman-e Padeshahi-e Iran",
So what are you Complaining about ? ... Mageh Gedda Hasteed ?
But I have NEVER Heard YOU FOLKS APOLOGIZE for the Pain YOUR CHOICE caused numerous Innocent Iranian families:
BOOK: EVEN AFTER ALL THIS TIME By Afschineh Latifi ( A Memoir )
THREE DECADES EARLIER: A Mother At Evin Doors (1980)
If you wish to criticize the Monarchy as a system of government that is another debate.
But don't come around claiming you are entitled to some Moral Superiority given that what you advocated 32 years ago led to the misery of Iranians at large and for which everyone is paying for including in terms of collateral damage.
If you were only born after the Revolution or were too young to claim any responsibility in the outcome of this Wretched Republic then your only excuse is young age. Moshiri doesn't have that excuse.
In 1979 if you wished to have anything else but an Islamic Republic then you could only be a Constitutionalist:
Pro Bakhtiar demonstrationsin Support of the 1906 Constitution they wished to see be respected to theletter
pictory: Bakhtiar Denounces Bazargan's Provisionary Government in exile (1979)
Anyone who advocated a Republic in those days including the leftist, MKO or Communists chose to follow Khomeiny.
As far as I am concerned Jomhurykha Geddas like Moshiri and his likeminds Owe the Nation at Large and Two Generation of Iranians a heartfelt Apology for all the Misery their Poor Choice made them endure for the past 3 Decades.
If ever an international Court of Justice were to be established like the one for Ex Yougoslavia it is not the Pahlavis who would be brought on Trial but These Bankrupt Jomhurykhah ANN TELECTUALS !
These Folks Chose to Betray King and Country and Now Come back and Beg Like a Bunch of Geddas ? As They Did Three Decades Ago for their Joon Joony Republic ?
pictory: Shah's Fortune demanded back by Iran's Revolutionary Government (1979)
They Owe EVERYONE a Sincere Apology !
Like ina Fish Called Wanda YOUR APOLOGY IS LONG DUE
Otherwise he like the rest of his miserable bunch can go where they belong :Not the Dustbin but The Toilette of History !
We have No Lesson to receive from these Folks !
But if Mr. Moshiri and his likeminds wish to buy a new Wig ... I am ready to pay these Geddas a new one:
Mr Bean - Ina Wig
Darius Kadivar 1. A
by Babak K. on Sat May 28, 2011 12:14 PM PDTDarius Kadivar
1. A statement by Mr. Reza Pahlavi is not a document and he is not telling the truth but Bahram Moshiri is. The Pahlavi family will never admit how much they have. The truth will come out if a commission of independent Iranian and international scholars and experts with full cooperation of Pahlavi family (they will never cooperate) can determine the exact amount of wealth they have.
2. During last Iranian presidential elections, Ayatollah Hashemi-Rafasanjani had an interview on Iranian TV and a reporter asked him: "Ayatollah, there are a reports in foriegn press that your family is one of the richest families in the world, what is your response to these eccusations"? Rafsanjani smiled and said: "anybody who can prove this then they can have all our wealth". Well this is like late Shah's response to a British reporter when he was asked about his wealth and he said: "can these people count?" And everybody knows that both answers are kind of stupid answers. Both answers show that the corrupt leaders have no respect for ordinary Iranians.
3. A country's leader should be paid highly and he or she should have an exclusive life and I want my leader be wealthy, but he or she should not be above the law ( like the Pahlavis were). He or she should be transparent (something that the Mostabedeen will never be and that one of many reasons they hate free press). Our problem with Pahlavi family and all Ayatolah's in Iran is that they do not answer to anybody. They thought and think they do not owe anybody any explanation about anything.
4. Moshiri is right, it was the Pahlavi Estebdad that paved the way for to Islamic Estebdad. It was Raussian Zsar's disregard to Raussian constitution that brought the Bolshaviks to Power in Raussia. It was disregard to Iranian constitution by Reza Shah and Mohamad Reza Shah that brought Mullas to power.
BK
Moshiri Can't handle the Truth no more than his white hair
by Darius Kadivar on Sat May 28, 2011 09:45 AM PDTA KING's REBUTTAL: Elvis’ famous laughing version of Are You Lonesome tonight
مشیری، مشیری، حمایت میکنیم
پندارنیکSat May 28, 2011 08:57 AM PDT
مشیری یا امثال مشیری را سوژه کردن، حربه کهنه پهلویست هاست. گور بابای مشیری صلوات، اون بچه هم خودش میدونه که چن تا نقطه...
مشیری حرفاش درسته...تا چشم اوناییکه نمیتونن ببینن بابا قوری بشه...
Moshiri thinks democracy &accountability were obtained overnight
by Darius Kadivar on Sat May 28, 2011 09:03 AM PDTBritish Council staff have used taxpayer-funded credit cards to pay for top hotels and first-class flights, a newspaper says.
The Daily Telegraph said documents showed cards had been used to spend millions of pounds on hospitality, travel, iPads and even llamas.
Communities Secretary Eric Pickles told it: "Some councils have been enjoying the high life paid for by you and me."
Council credit cards 'used for luxury junkets' (bbc)
Council spent £9m on credit cards (bbc)
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The More I watch Moshiri ... .0)
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The More I listen to this fellow the more I am convinced by the blunt assessment that Even if Democracy was offered on a Silver Plate You Jomhurykhah Folks woundn't know how to handle it nor even safeguard it due to your own stubborn and narrow minded approach to politics ...
A Little Homework wouldn't hurt you and probably make you a little more modest and objective in your assessments instead of constantly seeing the world in Black & White :
Machiavelli's"The Prince" and the "Art" of Governing
In 1961 the Shah defended his style of rule, saying "when Iranians learn to behave like Swedes, I will behave like the King of Sweden."
Quote From Book:
America's Mission: The United States and the Worldwide Struggle for Democracy in the Twentieth Century . Tony Smith . Princeton Princeton UniversityPress: p.255
Well Clearly Moshiri ain't Swedish, Nor British, Nor Spanish, Nor Norwegian ...
But Boy ain't those Millions of loyal subjects in those Constitutional Monarchies LUCKY & WISE not to be IRANICAN ? ...
SATIRE: The Burqa Republic of Our IRANICAN Dreams ;0)
LOL
Related Blogs:
MOSHIRI's COLD HAND's: Bahram Moshiri Slams Pahlavi Era Gun Ban Policies
HISTORY FORUM:Bahram Moshiri's Take on The French Revolution and Why He Misses The Point ;0)
Arshan , you must be either a monarchist or a MKO sympathizer
by jasonrobardas on Sat May 28, 2011 05:03 AM PDTPlease stop your nonsense about Moshiri . You call him (bache Akhoond)...so what ? In fact that gives him more crediblity to discuss religion . The fact that he is from a clergy family just proves his bravery and steadfastness as a critical thinker ! He is a rationalist who detached himself from the ideological construct he was born into . This takes courage . A true iconoclast who refused to step into his father's shoes .
You are not discussing issues . You are not debating Moshiri's views . You are not telling us what you oppose . you are just resorting to ad hominum attacks .
You are obviously , low on logic and IQ , that is why you just insult and slander someone without discussing issues intelligently .
تجاوز بهرام مشیری به یک پسر بچه در زمان خدمت او در ژاندارمری
arshanFri May 27, 2011 11:41 PM PDT
این پیر مرد زشت سیرت و زشت سیما با کار نامه سیاه و کثیف- که عنوان نادرست " استاد" و " مهندس" را یدک میکشد...( از تجاوز به یک پسر بچه در زمان خدمت او در ژاندارمری -ارتش ۵۰ سال پیش) تا عضویت و مزدوری برای جبهه ناملی اسلامی ( ساخت انگلیس و آمریکا) و حمایت از... ایت الله فراماسون محمد مصدق- شیوه موذیانه مردم فریبی این موجود زشت سیرت در تخریب افکار مردم بسیار قابل توجه است-- او که چند سال پیش در تلویزیون از اسلام- محمد- علی - حسن و حسین تازی عرب پدافند و دفاع میکرد-پس از افشا گریهای مردانی مانند - مسعود انصاری- کورش آریا منش..کمی چهره عوض کرد و برای تحمیل دیگر مزخرفات و دروغهایش آغاز به انتقاد "ملایم" از اسلام نمود تا از قافله عقب نماند! بسیار آگاه باشید تا فریب این موجود را که با پرداخت ماهی ۱۵ هزار دلار به امیر شجره ( توده ای اسلامی) در تلویزیون حزب سبز توده پارس مدتها به مردم فریبی مشغول است نخورید. بهرام مشیری یک الاغ است که بر روی او چند کتاب گذاشت تا حمل کند.
بهرام مشیری بچه آخوندی که خردگرا شده امروز
arshanFri May 27, 2011 11:28 PM PDT
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=REOpAZp-xCE
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-riK5qYnw0
mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the biggest thief of'em all!
by Roozbeh_Gilani on Fri May 27, 2011 10:16 PM PDTSo aryamehr stole 62million or so. Khamenei's son's london bank account - the one we know about- alone had $1billion (or was it 1.5 billion? who cares, who's counting!) in it.
At least Aryamehr was put there by CIA, fair and square. These Islamist SOBS were put right up there, as a result of a revolution, by the very same people who now, after 32 years of islamist rule cannot afford food, clothing, medicine and education for their kids in a country awash with oil money. That's what I call adding insult to injury!
"Personal business must yield to collective interest."
Mr. Moshiri has missed the figure by several ZEROS!
by P_J on Fri May 27, 2011 06:58 PM PDTPahlavi Criminal Enterprise’s embezzlements were in billions and not in millions!
By the same token stating that since Mullahs may have stolen even more does no justification for the prior! It is like saying since Hitler committed far more murders than Shah or Sadam, than that would make murderers like them innocent.
In carrying out justice there is no sense of relativism, and what is more important is the INTENT, but at least Mr. Moshiri has started the confession that everyone on the REAL side was awaiting to hear, and that could ultimately open a dialogue and be healing, although the Shahollahi numbers are so abysmally small that it could or would have not mattered anyhow, yet a good start!
Ardeshir Zahedi said otherwise
by Mammad on Fri May 27, 2011 06:10 PM PDTShah's former son-in-law and confidante said Shah's wealth was worth $40 billion in 1979.
Mammad
Moshiri is right
by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Fri May 27, 2011 04:31 PM PDTMoshiri is right. I agree with what he said. He is an honest person and says what he thinks. We need more people like him.
Masoud
If only we had more people like him,
by jasonrobardas on Fri May 27, 2011 01:20 PM PDTwe would not be where we are . We need more free thinking , rational minded people like him.
Iranians are brought up to kiss the derrier of those in authority ! That is why we have always been subjected to dictatorships. The most embarressing country to be from . People who adore dictatorships with iron fist . All bending over to appease the Shah or the Sheikh .
Iranian monarchists when who can not debate , resort to ad-hominom attacks on free thinkers like him.
زومسه!!!
BavafaFri May 27, 2011 10:53 AM PDT
But the message as whole is the core issue, not the alleged $62M.
Thanks for posting it.
Mehrdad
I LOve Moshiri's Program
by Maryam Hojjat on Fri May 27, 2011 09:38 AM PDTI try not to miss his program & watch them several times as what he says very realistic and logical.
lol
by Paykar on Fri May 27, 2011 01:22 PM PDTI know a few people are fuming right now.
Thanks Tapesh
by پندارنیک on Fri May 27, 2011 06:45 AM PDTمشیری اشارهای به هوشنگ انصاری کرد. انصاری با اون یه وجب قد و بالاش، شاه و تمام خانواده او
را، خیلی ببخشید، به یه طرفشم حساب نمیکرد و هنوزم نمیکنه. وقتی که
مرحوم آریامهر تصمیم گرفت تا برای نجات خودش و خانواده فاسدش بعضی از
نوکران خودشو قربانی کنه، به انصاری دستور داد که به ایران
برگردد....انصاری که باهوش تر از این حرفا بود به طور ضمنی گفت به خاکپای
همایونی عرض کنید که بشینن روی این، که بتونن تا کجاها رو ببینن...