Iranian of the Day

w/ or w/o US or Israel, IR is evil

There are many nations in the world who are prospering and respect human rights. They do not have highest percentage of executions and highest number of child executions, they do not political prisoners and as much corruption as Iran does, They have more fair judicial system, they do not have as many unemployed and addicts and Israel and USA exist!!

By the same token, also let's assume that there were no US or Israel, would number of executions, the prostititution, drugs, injustice , political prisoners, corruption, ...... in Iran go away...NO ?!

No Mehdi, If anyone mizaneh be sahraye karbala is you and IR .... Islamic Regime is the first and foremost cause of the evil in Iran. It is also them who have chosen to be at war with US and Israel ...as majority of nations in the world are not calling matg bar america and Israel but IR is..

The "slogans" of you or Ahmadinejad in UN are 30 years old now and have no more buyers in Iran or the world ! 

Thatkid her Farsi is

Thatkid her Farsi is terrible...seriously, she speaks like a 5 year old...On reflection though, I have to say that she is clearly a very brave woman...it's good to see that she is still willing to go out and speak about her beliefs in order to speak to Iranians who don't have the luxury of knowing another language other than Farsi...it shows either great humility or arrogance...I hope the former...

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

David: Your comments

What I said from beginning is that SCE is not honest and accurate about what they claim. And nobody has been able to dispute that. Sure they throw slogans and call names but no disputing.

So what is it that SCE is saying? That in I don't know how many years a couple of kids who possibly murdered someone, or who possibly got involved in homosexuality in Iran, or who possibly got involved with Bahai religion were executed? Is that why our sexy model finds it necessary to feed the demonizing propaganda of the neocons and ZioNazis? Is it necessary to start a commotion because of this?

What I am saying is that OK, so Iranians need a little education; they need a little cultural exchange; they need to see how more modern countries resolve issues such as other religions, or homosexuality or whatever. So let's get our sexy model to stand up to Bush the idiot and tell him in his face that he needs to stop piling up a military force and stop his greed and reach out and shake Ahmadinejad's hand of friendship which has been extended for years now and let's open up the two nations to each other. Will she do that or is that against here goals?

What I say is let's look at what such a demonstration will do for Iran. Will it help the children in Iran? How? Or will it make things worse for everyone?

But facing the REAL evil in the world is difficult, isn't it? Who can face the undoubtedly super criminal Israel Lobby manipulating the US government and pushing for the milking of every nation, including Iran? These are the actual criminals who have created situations in the world where education and democracy cannot easily propagate. Their extreme greed demands that they always turn other weaker countries into ruins. Our sexy Nazanin doesn't have the balls to stand up to such. So instead she'll align with these criminals and prepare the international viewpoint for an ultimate war on Iran. What else is the result of such a treasonous demonstration? Who is out there to force IRI into anything other than Bush and his clan? Besides, this way you get some attention from CNN and other great sources of news. Why bother facing evil when you can work with them and profit?

Now let's see if you can understand my point of view and have any kind of answer.

Kaveh: Beyond childish

You are lying that I am talking about Africa or Israel. Truth is that I gave you an example that the situation could be compared to someone looking at a backward clan in Africa and decide that the barbarity of that clan is ONLY because of their rulers. You are making it look like I am saying we should not talk about Iran and should instead talk about Africa. This is beyond childish. But I think I know where you're hurting. You are a STRONG Israel supporter and your allegiance is with Israel. You'd be more than happy to see ALL Iranian children murdered by Israel if your leader (The great Furor) claimed that such an act was necessary to defend the "children of Israel." And I bet you any money that you would not even dispute it here to save a little face. So go clean up the bloodsuckers of Tel Aviv and their monstrous acts against all of humanity and stop acting like you care about Iranian children. I guess you didn't like my clarification of why Israelis can now afford to appear a little more democratic-looking (if it is only on the surface). I understand.

To David ET

"homosexuality/rape"?!!!

So they were executed for homosexuality......and yeah...by the way, they had also raped a few children! but that doesn't really matter!

The Iranian "opposition" is so desperate that they are using child rapists and murderers as their poster-child to defend "gay rights" in Iran.

And again, it is true that human rights violations happen in Iran. Why on earth should Iranians go on CNN and FOX and fuel the war propaganda machine against their own country to promote human rights in Iran?!!!

Mehdi: Whose comments are unrelated???

This post was about child executions in Iran and not other human rights issues in the world in Iraq, Palestine etc. So who is is "trying to change subject by stirring emotions. " ??!

That is what Ahmadinejad did today after rozekhooni and talked about Iraq and Palestine. He is president of IRAN. What about people of Iran's rights?!!

The game you are playing Mehdi is clear and has been played for so long and you are only copying what they say! If its not American hostages, its Iran-Iraq war, If its not Palestine, its Iraq, if its not Afghanisatn, is nuclear energy...anything to distract from the rights of unemployed, malnourished, drugged, prostititued, executed, imprisoned Iranians at the peak of an Oil price boom!

2- In your post you wrote: "SCE supposedly is fighting for the rights of Iranian youth or something like that. But in fact they present generally half truth and in reality outright lies. They are representing the execution of youth in Iran as a government issue, as if the government is executing these youth. But the fact is that people are murdering people....But it is a LIE to say that Iranian government is executing the youth"

I posted only few examples of the executions that were direct order by Government and not murder related. Not to mention that even in the cases of murder, the ones who issue the death sentence are the judges of the Islamic Republic not people. There are also many cases where the murders were self defense like Nazanin Fatehi's case which if was not publicized by Nazanin Afshin-jam , she would have been executed long time ago.

So Mehdi, PLEASE do not insult reader's intelligence and memory of what you have been writing just few lines below!!!!!!!

And I know if you have not changed your mind after 30 years of observing documented stoning, removing body parts, mass murders, etc etc , and if you still approve or apologize for Islamic Republic, nothing that I would say will change your mind. But at least have the guts to openly stand for your belief than try to distract and deceive the subjects at hand or put efforts of others down ...

Stop Child Executions' agenda is clear , what about yours?!

Iranian Joan of Arc

Nazanin's tireless campaign to save the Iranian youth and her commitment to expose IR's crimes should make all Iranians who love Iran, proud.

She's a hero who has risen against all forms of savage violation of human rights in the country of her ancestors. And she has given a resounding voice to the demands of tens of millions of oppressed Iranians who cannot be heard by the outside world because they have been brutally silenced for three decades.

With her beauty and intelligence, Nazanin could have chosen to spend all her time in pursuit of a lucrative career. She has, instead, opted to fight for the great cause of saving Iranians from the inhumaities of a merciless regime that has brought nothing but shame and ruination on Iran.

Nazanin is the modern-day Iranian Joan of Arc, indeed!

Childish?

Mehdi....

YOU're the one acting like a little kid with the "what about Africa" "what about Israel" crap.

C'mon man. You want to have a grown-up rational discussion or not? If you do, then stop bringing other entities into it.

This is about A nd B.

If you can't stay on topic or keep from getting your underwear twisted when someone disagrees with you.....

then C you later.

eeronman

You have a lot of great ideas about how to conduct a demonstration. That's wonderful, since I don't think you went to any actual rallies today, would you be kind enough to donate some money to these causes so they can afford to take your great advice and do a better job next time?

Thank you so much for being such a humanitarian

IRANdokht

More Deception

At this point I would have to leave it to the readers to decide who is deceiving who. Read Kaveh's childish misrepresentation of my last comment and David's unrelated comment trying to change subject by stirring emotions.

She is amazing

God bless her. Keep it up.

Mehdi

The subject of this discussion is the IRI and their violation of international laws.

We are not talking about an African tribe, Iraq, Afghanistan or Israel. What they do, good or bad, is irrelevant for the purposes of this thread. My concern is Iran.

You are certainly entitled to disagree, but if someone murders or molests a child, it is my opinion that they should not be entitled to live, especially at the expense of society. I must be clear on this. I am referring to cases where the perpetrator was at the age of majority at the time of the crime. It is recognized internationally to be the age of 18. I don't find capital punishment to be the only way, either.

I don't know why you mention military action, as that's not what this is about. I'm referring solely to the IRI's use of capital punishment against those persons convicted of committing crimes while under the age of 18. It is illegal. And especially when factoring in their complete disregard for jurisprudence, it's of the utmost importance that this is stopped.

The IRI simply does not follow international law. You cannot convince me otherwise on this.

Who is Deceiving ?!!

These are only some of the names of those children who were executed for reasons that had nothing to do with murder from teaching Bahai to homosexulaity to having sex out of marriage to drug dealing etc. Noone was killed and there were no families asking for so called "Ghesas". So if anyone is hiding the truth is not SCE or Nazanin but those commentators who presume readers are stupid! Only some of the names known and data verified by Amnesty International and SCE:

Makwan Moloudzadeh - 13  (homosexuality)

2 Afghan children- under 18 (drug trafficking)

Seed Kambrerzai- 17 (political)

Atefeh Salaaheh - 16 (acts incompatible with chastity = intercourse)

Mona Mahmoudnezhad - 16 (teaching Bahai lessons)

Mahmoud Asghari 17 (homosexuality)

Ayaz Marhony  17 (homosexulaity)

unnamed 17 (rape, theft)

unnmaed- under 18 -  (rape) - (2005)

Dina Parnabi- under 18-  (Distributing political liternature)

eroonman

The above CNN interview was done and broadcasted few days prior to the demonstartion..

Farsi interview

For those of you who doubt her ability to speak Farsi, here's part of her interview with the voa..
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iKm4m7NmGg

Protest could have been "executed" better...

I applaud the intentions and commitment that Ms AJ has shown in her personal crusade against the oppressive and cruel reality in Iran today. I cannot help but offer/suggest that the "Wall of Shame" concept was not as effective as it could have been, (not mentioned in the press about Ahmadinejad's speech today, nor on today's search results under "Wall of Shame") to draw attention to the fact that public stonings and executions, happening in Iran today (whether to young or old) are a barabaric act, and certainly against the charitable "religion of peace" trademark that real moslems supposedly aspire to.

The fact is, and I hope Ms. AJ sees this comment, that a placard can be faked, an image can be doctored, even a video can be cleverly edited and animated, so in an age of ultimate communications media and the technology used to fake it, we are back to reality as the best proof of reality.

What you should have done instead of using the tag line (WOS) from the Israel/Palestinian wall, was to stage an actual mock trial, verdict, and execution (stoning) to show for real, how a typical court proceeding, and it's judgment, and it's outcome are conducted in Iran today. Show everyone EXACTLY how it's done in Iran.

The truthful accurate portrayal of this cannot be faked, and better, it cannot be denied.

You should have paid to reserve a spot in front of the UN, gotten all the permits and local politician support to clear the way, and put on a "Pageant" (if you will) of truth. Hired actors to portray the judge, the jury, the stoners, the crowd cheering in mad delight, all dramatized for the full (real) effect.

This would have been covered far more broadly and actively, than asking for yet another favor from Asieh jan, in her very limited capacity as a mere CNN employee (Not a major reporter), to show your poster, and you flipping your hair rather than footage of the actual protest! At least Christiane Amanpour could have been consulted! Proof of Asieh's limited capacity is this: Asieh jan, there is NOTHING remotely useful about Nazanin having the same name as the convicted Nazanin in Iran. It's not about that. To think that it does have a meaning, and that you should mention it, is arrogant and insulting.

A live dramatization, would have controversially stirred up ALL the local and national media, who would have clamored to cover this "spectacle". Possibly more than the speech by Ahmadinejad, or as I like to abbreviate him AH.

And that is exactly how you speak TRUTH to POWER, these days.

Best of luck, you have my support regardless, because you have stuck it out in spite of the many crticisms you have faced since the beginning.

(Hopefully, next time I would like to play the part of a stoner!)

Follow up... No politics for Nazanin (Haiffeh)

...The emperor of persians have several beauties in mind to choose from she would become the queen of persians. Here is the second one the emperor has in mind before the ascention...

Click on Abol Danesh to get the glimpse f the second queen candidate in line...

Anonymous-Today

Why are you so sensitive about my comment when there are so many pros and cons here?

I don't really see why people who can't even express their opinion without hiding would be downplaying the efforts of this young lady whose face and name is associated with an HR (therefore anti-IRI) organization. She's not allowed to go back to Iran and she's received threats already. Here come so many people, filled with their "behind-the-monitor" courage and misplaced pride, criticizing her and expecting more from her, etc...

No dear I won't chill out when I see such hypocrites put her down!

by the way what's your login any other day?

IRANdokht

For clarity's sake

I will try again, Iranian.com

CNN is biased and a strong proponent of Iran (& Syria next) to be attacked. They are in the camp of the neocons.

Just like they were very loud and consistent in demonizing Iraq any way they could to convince the public that an invasion of Iraq is very necessary.

The Glen Beck Show is an example of the new direction taken by CNN eversince it was bought from its previous owner years ago. Recently he has tuned down his rhetoric since the many lies came out (since about 1 or 2 years ago). Before, he was yelling that muslims are this and that and it's all the fault of the muslims ("Nazis"). The Glen Becks of the world are never at fault for anything according to themselves, and nor do they intentionally distort and lie.

Bottom line, don't be fooled by those who want to make it seem acceptable that Iran should be bombed and attacked, regardless if there is a dictatorship or a democratic and popular government in office in Iran. The wish and goal of the neocons is to turn Iran into another Iraq, and they don't give a hoot for the children, the women, or anyone else.

As for some who are actors at Iranian .com and want Iran to turn into another Iraq, keep on acting.

to Abarmard

No one ever promotes war explicitly, they prepare the public opinion for it through the exact same kind of propaganda.

And she knows exactly what she is doing, she is touching upon sensitive issues such as "children" and "homosexuality" and she uses all kinds of sensationalism and psychological techniques to make the case of the war mongers.

What business does CNN and FOX have regarding "human rights" in Iran anyway? Why should the same channels that deceived the American people into the Iraq war be involved in the judicial case of a few convicted Iranians in Iran?!!

Shame on us for allowing that.

what 's up with the accent?

Adams apple looks too big? what is with that?

Agha Mehdi

Yes we, people are unfortunately animals before being humans. For me it's the rule of a government to suppress the death penalty. The french minister of Justice Badinter did it 30 years ago in France and it works perfectly. When you compare the images of French tribunals in cases where criminals were sentenced to death before and now when they get headed for life imprisonment, you see less crowds around the tribunals searching to smell the death.

In Iran things go worse as youths are sentenced to death. Instead of being educated, they are killed wildly in the name of Islam. That's the unacceptable purpose, we have to make front against this savagery...

Best,

Chill out, IranDokht

You're not the only one with an opinion, so chill out. You're not one of those "don't touch, Nazanin" mob, are you?

Kaveh: that's what I mean by falsehood, half truth and lies

You have no evidence to prove that the IRI routinely and systematically imposes capital punishment. This is just a rumor and inaccurate at best. The MEK, Mosad, CIA and some such scum advertise these falsehood.

The reality is that that whole nation is a bit behind in terms of culture. The whole nation is less educated compared to some other countries. Your reasoning is a bit like taking a very backward African tribe and blaming EVERYTHING on the leader. Some may agree but my point mainly is that it is not true and at least that is not all the truth.

How about Iraq? You think everything is because of their government? How about Afghanistan? How about Palestine? Is that all because of the governments? I think you are over-simplifying everything to a point of absurdity. There is a point where we have to say, these people need some education - they need to get out more - they need to have contact with other cultures and realize that some of their ways are not the best.

A good example is Israel. When the Jewish people were forced out of Middle East (according to their own historians) most of them they ended up in Europe and the US. There, they became educated and learned the new ways and cleaned up their acts and removed a lot of barbaric attitudes they used to have. So now we see relative democracy and modernity in Israel - because these people are not, to be precise, Middle Eastern anymore - they have been educated - they are Europeans and Americans, etc. So it isn't that Israel government is THE ONLY reason Israel is more democratic. It's a whole set of factors.

If you start looking at things with accuracy and precision, you'll find out that things are not the way they have been presented to us and that there are easy solutions and no need for military confrontation.

The fact that you are pro-capital punishment is another testament that you are quite unaware of circumstances that drives a person into murder or child molestation. You just have never had to deal with backwards environments where relationship with girls is condemned and secret playing with children is almost encouraged. So you can't fathom why someone would end up molesting a child. See the difference? I am not justifying child molestation but I am saying you are not seeing the whole picture and that is why you find that capital punishment or military action is the ONLY way!

The biggest problem about Iran right now is that the forces that be are trying to isolate it instead of trying to get the people there to come out and have a cultural exchange! This is of course welcomed by tyranical rulers of both Iran and the West. They love it! But such actions as sanctions and war threats and cutting off of relationships and putting pre-conditions and completely isolating a nation only drives that nation further into barbarism. And our sexy model, I am afraid, is doing exactly that!

Instead of antagonistically demonstrate against Ahmadinejad, she should be trying to set up discussions and interactions. She should be promoting dialogue and not fights. She is worng, VERY wrong. But if you have no understanding of difficut environment, and you have easy access to bombs, then bombing may seem like a better and easier solution. After all, why should you care?

No Politics for Nazanin

...Let's keep her pretty the way she is and not get her involved with politics...let her sing, dance, and participate more in bueaty fashion walking on the run way with glitter from head to to her toes...

Wait until the new emperor of Persian ascend to the throne and pick her as the queen and then it would be the time for her to get involved in the politico the politics the political...

Get someone else now instead!

We Mean Business! The Old fashion way!

IranDokht jan, thanks for

IranDokht jan, thanks for clarifying : )

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

about Nazanin...

Sadegh jan

She was a baby when she left Iran with her parents and she does speak Farsi, she actually has done interviews in Farsi. 

She's very brave and a true humanitarian.

I hate to see all the nonsense about her. She doesn't have to cover every single wrong-doing in the world committed by every country that is guilty of criminal acts!  

Her motive is to save the kids who are being condemned by the kangooroo courts and executed for crimes that they might have committed (or might not) as a child. If anyone has an idea about other atrocities in the world and wants to stand up and fight for them, they should all go ahead and do so, but to speak ill of the one person who is brave enough to fight for what she believes in, is just not right.

I don't understand why we are so quick to crticize and undermine other people's efforts when we do nothing of significance ourselves... 

Mehdi, you didn't understand me either: these courts are not about justice, some of these kids are wrongfully accused and found guilty! The international law that Iran signed too, says that if a crime was committed before the age of 18, even if proven guilty, the offender should not be executed.That means the whole thing is illegal!

I don't care what the family of victim wants, if the person they have in custody is not guilty they do not have the right to ask for death penalty. If the person was a child when he committed the crime they do not have the right to ask for death penalty.

If you agree with Ghessaas and Dieh in lieu of death penalty then you and I disagree on too many bases to be able to discuss this issue.

Thanks

IRANdokht

Thanks Anonymous-Today...I

Thanks Anonymous-Today...I just spoke with a friend of mine however and she told me that Nazanin can barely speak Farsi...even the little she can speak is at the level of a first-grader...of course her activism remains important, I'm just interested that is all...

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

Mehdi

I noticed the quotation marks, but my position still stands.

Personally, I am in favor of capital punishment, when it is appropriate. By that I mean, murder, especially when the victim is a child, child molestation and such.

I disagree with you saying the IRI doesn't execute for no reason. Mehdi, there is no system of due process in use there. Justice, under any type of government, be it an open democracy or a totalitarian dictatorship cannot function cannot exist in the absence of due process.

I also disagree with your assertion of what the people want. We honestly don't know what they want. For the past 30 years, there has been no transparency with the IRI. They are completely unable and unwilling to be open and truthful. The entire system there is suspect, and as such, it's impossible to gauge what the people actually want.

I do agree that a democracy in a society that isn't ready for it is destructive, or at least has the potential to be.

The issue being raised is that the IRI routinely and systematically imposes capital punishment for crimes that were allegedly committed when the "guilty party" was a minor. This is a clear violation of international law, and the IRI continues it.

It doesn't matter if the spokesperson is Nazanin Afshin-Jam or some middle-aged fat guy with bifocals, a bad combover and an enlarged prostate. The IRI is still executing minors.

Mehdi's false argument!

Now, we're into blaming the Iranian people for being barbaric beasts and violent and not the Islamic Republic.

Now, Mr. Mehid demands us to stop blaming the IR and instead blame the victims.

According to false logic of Mr. Mehdi, we are not to criticize the Islamic Republic for keeping Iranians uneducated, poor, and obssessed with religion.

In Mehdi's world, the Islamic Republic doesn't spend money on Islamicizing propaganda 24-7 to promote barbaric sharia laws.

In Mehdi's planet, the Islamic Republic doesn't keep Iranians in the dark ages via censorship of all kinds. In Mehdi's fantasy the Islamic Republic doesn't keep its citizens ignorant and misinformed to know better than being violent, vindictive thugs.

In Mehid's plante, The Islamic Republic doesn't systematically prevent Iranians from reaching democratic ideals and progressive thoughts by promoting superstitions, demonic values of the middle ages???

No, Islamic Republic is doing the will of People and the will Of Allah when it commits barbarous and inhuman acts. Iranians are monstrous, vindictive morons and if it weren't for these ignorant Iranian people, the Islamic Republic would be heaven on earht....