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June 26, 2003

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* We are not worthy

Sheibany joon, [Are we worthy?]

I have to disagree. I personally am convinced that we stupid Iranians are definitely not worth RP's dedication and tireless devotion to bringing us liberty and justice.

Heck, I mean we are bunch of backward idiots with no appreciation for anything authentic. The man works 24/7 to bring us back to the 21st century and all we do is bitch, bitch, bitch.

And I couldn't agree with you more. Mossadegh, that SOB almost ruined our country. Thank God for Americans who came to our aid. Imagine what our beloved Iran would have been like if he stayed in power.

The bottom line is, RP should not waste his time and effort to lead a bunch of stupid, backward, imbeciles like us to a better future. We are not worthy. We are not worthy.

Siamack Baniameri

PS. For this I would like an important role in the future monarchist government. Minister of Finance would be preferred. You can contact me @ 555-2345 for salary negotiation.

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* I agree: let people decide

I agree with basic of your message [This one is their battle] but please not the following. Your statements are in quotes. Thanks for sharing your thoughts:

"Iranians who live outside Iran all agree on one thing: the sanctity of human rights. This common denominator amongst all Iranian opposition groups is what needs to be stressed and defended in an international context."

I disagree. We saw how the Shah and his people did to human rights. We know what Marxist could do to the sanctity of Human Rights and now we even know what the mullahs can do to all of us. And this extends to their supporters as well. So I agree let the people in Iran decide their own destiny using something new.

"It is the duty of those Iranians who live in democracies to try their best to do what they can to protect the Iranians that have mustered enough courage to take to the streets in Iran and demand a regime change."

One of the so-called democracies, US, can't wait to get their dirty hands on Iran again. We just saw how they listen to their own people concerning the filthy war in Iraq.

"What the Iranians abroad can do for Iran is to press the governments of the nations in which they live to put pressure on the rulers in Iran to respect human rights."

No, just tell these governments to stop helping the Iranian government. The people will take care of it themselves.

"Iranians, having gone through a revolution and many years of both secular and clerical dictatorships, know full well the difference between fascism and democracy. What they so badly need, from the international community and the United States and those Iranians abroad who can influence international opinion, is not to be told what kind of government to choose but for their very lives and persons to be protected while they go about achieving change."

Well done.

"It is easy to sit in your California homes and email passionate criticism of this or that movement's agenda."

This is the proof that they are interested in their own agenda.

"But this very right, that Iranians abroad possess, to differ with one another, is exactly what is needed in Iran."

We can't even do this in our homes. Look inside the Iranian family and you see this habit or better called illness comes from our fundamental psyche. fathers do it to their children. Older brothers do it to the younger one and husband do it to their wives.

Be careful not to show weakness in Iran. That is the national disease of country like Central America, South America, the mideast. practically, anywhere outside of western "democracies" which Mr. Bush is trying to destroy soon with the consent of many. Again thanks for writing.

Jalil

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* How does he know what the people want?

I read Dr Valibeigi’s piece with the attention it deserves and I congratulate him for his fine and helpful analysis [Pitfalls of foreign intervention]. There are, however, a few points, which in my view do some discredit to the overall piece, which looks at the so-called moderates/reformists within the regime with a measure of unjustified sympathy.

While, I respect Dr. Valibeigi’s political leanings -- whatever they may be, I find his assertion that "people tend to trust those leaders inside the country who stand by them and fight the battle alongside them, rather than those seasoned and brought in from abroad" to be a gross over-generalization that is anything but objective.

Since when has Dr. Valibeigi assumed the role of spokesman for the Iranian people? How does he know what the people want? Is it not a fact that the entire case for holding some kind of a referendum – a position that has been advocated jointly by activists both within and outside the country – precisely aimed at finding out what it is that the people really want? Does his comments regarding Iranian leaders abroad also apply to academics and intellectuals living outside Iran as well?

Finally, his conclusion that "the US should sharpen its focus on violations of human and democratic rights by the hardliners" implies that the US should ignore or turn a blind eye to any such violations from so called reformers, etc…

In conclusion, it is my belief that enough is enough and it is high time that this old game of "good cop – bad cop" scenario regarding the Iranian leadership was brought to an end.

Moreover, I am of the view that the there is a sense of general consensus that the status quo is no longer acceptable. In promoting an agenda for change that is spearheaded by such notions as democracy, secularism, human rights and so on, there is no distinction between Iranians at home and those forced into exile by a regime that brutally attempts to silence any voice other than its own or that of its supporters.

While, I am against any kind of direct military actions (including military strikes at selected targets), I favor a stand that holds people accountable for actions that harm not only the future prospects of the Iranian people, but threaten regional and international peace and security as well.

Mehrdad Khonsari
London

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* Take IRI leaders to court

Just out of curosity: they have had taken or tried to take about 4 or 5 leaders to court through the Belgian judicial system. These were people like Fidel Castro, Arafat, Sharon and others. Why not try to send IRI down the same path? Surely they have done enough crimes to meet the criteria?

R Khalili

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* Hichi nadarim az gozashtamoon

salam. khasteh nabashid az in hameh karhayeh ghashang keh dar internet barayeh tavajoheh ma iraniha anjam midahid. karetoon kheili ghashangeh.

man Arezou hastam, 14 saaleh, dar iran. man va 2 baradaram, va hatta doostanam, har chand rooz yek baar mirim Iranian.com ro negah mikonim.ama chand vaghteh keh digeh Nostalgia ro avaz nakardid. parsal, har rooz avaz mishod.ama, halla, kheili kam shodeh.

shayad bavar nakonid, vali man, madaram, va 2 baradarham hameh doreh computer jam mishim keh axhayeh jadid ro bebinim.madaram az ghadim tarif koneh, baradaram az bachegihash keh ino va oono beh yad dareh. doostam ham hamintor oonha ham fori beh man khabar midan afar aksi chap shodeh keh man doost daram.

midoonid, akheh inja ma hichi nadarim az gozashtamoon. hameh chiz siaheh. va dars. mahvareh darim ama az ghadim hichi. man khodam kheili filmhayeh farzan deljue ro doost daram. azash akseh digeh nadarid keh chap konid? bebakhsid keh mozahem shodam..vali negaran shodeh boodam. nakoneh Nostalgia ro ghat konid.

Shoma az ma minivisid, az inja, keh ma khodemoon hameh chiz dastemooneh. ama, ma az shoma gozashteh ro mikhahim keh har rooz dareh tariktar misheh. Shuma agalan sareh jayeh khodetoon vastid.

kheili vaght bood delam mikhast baratoon email bedam. ama emtehan dashtam.hallam keh aslan az khooneh biroon nemirim az tars. kareh ma shodeh internet, mahvareh engilisi va dar divar khooneh.

dar payan, tashakor va lotfan agar aksi az farzan delju darid, lotfan chap konid va nostelia ro lotfan bargardoonid.

ghorbaneh shoma,

Arezou S

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* Bad language births bad ideas

This article [Abandoning the messy truth] is replete with spelling errors, grammatical errors, and factual errors, all of which give conservatives with sophistic tendencies (which is to say, all conservatives) plenty of ammunition with which to attack Mr. Massombagi and like-minded individuals.

Conservatives are on an incessant hunt for "strawmen"...people whom they can arbitrarily assign as speaking for the entire Left, knowing full well that they can destroy their arguments on rhetorical and factual lines.

Mr. Massombagi is obviously not a native English speaker, nor is he a trained journalist. By posting his article without first editing it, you have done him, and the line of argument he is seeking to advance, a grave injustice.

There was a war, and people died, because of bad words and bad ideas. Bad language births bad ideas, even if those ideas had promise. Such was the case of Mr. Massombagi in this article...

please do your publication and the global intellectual community a service (I think of it more as a responsibility, but whatever): EDIT ALL ARTICLES, ESPECIALLY those of some political sensitivity and import.

Otherwise, good show! Cheers!

Mahbod M

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* Ethnicity's relevance escapes me

I received many letters in response to "One of God's...". In almost every instance the contents of the letters fell into one of two catagories: the letters that I received from women thanked me for the article while the letters from men informed me that I did not really understand the true nature and character of Iranian women.

"One of God's..." was never intended to apply to each and every Iranian woman ever born, but was a general expression of my appreciation for those wonderful Iranian women that I have known. These wonderful women have shown themselves to be ladies of grace, compassion and intellect.

As I pointed out in the article, "there may be some women that have proven thmselves unworthy of appreciation from Iranian men. For this reason I believe that my critics are as correct in their feelings as I am in mine. How one feels about any particular Iranian woman depends on that individual and the woman involved. As Shahla Samii so eloquently points out in her letter of June 17th, "Women, like men, in all countries, are diverse and [endowed] with their own specific personalities and quirks."

I am blessed that the Iranian women that I have been fortunate to know have not displayed the arrogance, conceit and racism that was revealed in Azam Nemati's letter of June 17th. The two closest Iranian women to me, my wife, S.S., and my good friend in Tehran, N.T., would never engage in the sort of vitriolic diatribe and low level of discourse that Ms. Nemati relied on.

Who the hell cares if an Iranian man wants to marry a Vietnamese girl? What business is it of Ms. Namati who anyone wants to marry? What is the relevance of mentioning the nationality of that woman? Ms Namati did it out of racist bigotry and hate. I am sure that she would call my two children "half-breeds" or something even more vulgar if she had the opportunity.

Like the Iranian man that Ms. Namati denounced in her letter for choosing to sleep with a promiscuous woman, I too would make the same choice rather that end up with any woman, Iranian or not, that utterly lacked grace, charm and good manners. Maybe it would have made Ms Namati feel better if the promiscuous slut had been Persian instead of non-Persian. Again, the relevance to ethnicity escapes me. A slut is a slut regardless of nationality. This is just another example of Ms. Namati's heartfelt hate and racist beleifs.

I have been blessed in my life to have known so many wonderful Iranian women with hearts of gold. Since reading Ms. Namati's letter, I also feel fortunate that I have never met the kind of Iranian woman that she shows herself to be. I will take her advice, however, and try to learn Farsi. If and when the day ever comes that I'm able to manage a conversation in your beautiful language, I pray that God will spare me from having to converse with the type of Iranian woman Ms. Namati represents.

Je Seas

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* Listening every night

In reference to music compilations by Azam Nemati:

GOOD JOB FOR GATHERING ALL THIS MUSIC. I LISTEN TO THEM EVERY NIGHT. LOTS OF SINGERS WERE UNKNOWN TO ME. I ESPECIALY ENJOY INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC. I LOVE TO READ ABOUT THE SINGERS.PLEASE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

S. Maryan

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* Monam monom

Selam [Khanom Nemati],

Monam monom. Veli benezerom mo dige bechyeh Abadan nebashom, chon khaili vakhte az Abadan birun zedom.

Veli hala ke to ye dokhtere hamshari moni, monam tasmim gereftom monam yeki az peseraye Abadani bemonom, chetore?

Khaili khosh hal shodom vo khoshhal mishom age jevab emailome bidi.

Nematollah Bordbar
Yeki az hamshariat

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* Browsing, crying, laughing

Thank you very much for your effort. I love to come to your site and spend hours at a time browsing, crying, laughing, feeling close to you nice people of my old country.

I was also born in Abadan so many centuries ago.

I REALLY LOVE YOU

Daryush Nami

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* Volunteers in Oakland

We are looking for volunteers to join our "Cultural Committee" to work and schedule cultural programs for the Iranian Community on the topics such as: Poets and Poetry, Irfan, Rumi, Arts, Music, Movie so on at the center.

Also looking for 10-15 youths who are able to sing and follow music notes to create a choir for the center. Parents please persuade your youth to participate.

Your effort to join this committee will be helpful and fruitfull for the community and appreciated.

Monir Memarpuri
Islamic Cultural Center of Northern California
1433 Madison Street, Oakland, CA 94612

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* What democracy is all about

Dear Ms. Amini,

Thank you for your reply [We should depend on our own will]. If you had read me correctly, I wrote that President Bush has given "moral" support [It may diminish guilt buried deep in his heart]. I also said the Iranians will bring change from within - I never said that any Western country should do so. I never mentioned that I advocate monarchy.

I wrote about the past - President Carter, Mr. Precht (who does have a self-serving memory) which led to disaster. Mr. Precht may be a very nice gentleman, but besides being an employee at the U.S.Embassy in Tehran, he then headed the Iran desk at the State Department.

I always believe that it should be up to the people in Iran to chose their own destiny. If you are talking about the Mossadegh period, that is also the past, never proven that he would have done any better than what the late Shah did.

They (Jebbeh Melli) were to proceed after the late Shah left, but they really let it slip away, didn't they? You may say it was too late, but if they had been strong and capable, they should have saved their inheritance.

Yes dialogue is important, and that's what democracy and basic human rights are all about. This is not reproach, just facts. No matter what, you have your opinions and I have mine.

May Iran be blessed with a better future.

Shahla Samii

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