MURDER

When it comes to interrelation among mankind, this is irrelevant

good to hear from you lostidentity. its been a while since we'v chatted!
I am glad you agree with me at least on the fact that God is in our heart. let me elaborate on that a bit.
God is not in our heart, but the way to God is thru the heart which implies that you throw away what is in your head. the longest distance is not in the universe but it is the distance from the heart to mind unless one overcomes that divide with Positive Knowledge. It is a bit of philosophy but i know it is your favorite subject as well as mine, we do share certain things.
It is also naive to think that in human relations this is irrelevant. consider the great farsi saying that goes, del be del raah daare!
the heart is the most significant determinant of human behavior and thus it presides over ones character which is the essence of interpersonal relations. there can be said many things about the heart, "but this secret can only be whispered from heart to heart" not from the lips.

" I know not, O my God, whether I should speak forth the wonders of Thy praise among Thy servants, and lay bare before them the secrets of Thy mercy and the mysteries of Thy Cause, or keep them wrapped up within the receptacle of my heart. Though the lover be loth to share with any one the intimate conversation of his beloved, yet at whatever time Thine inescapable commandment to declare Thy Cause reacheth me, I will unhesitatingly obey it. I would proclaim Thee, undeterred by the darts of affliction that may rain down upon me from the clouds of Thy decree.

(Baha'u'llah, Prayers and Meditations by Baha'u'llah, p. 184)

Heart is the essence of mysticism.

on lighter note though there are signs for everything, that is the way to detect things invisible. a person who does not have a heart would soon be perceived as ignorant, cruel, uncultured, and so on. it is a matter that can not remain hidden. even a blind man can tell one from the tone of their voice or the way they come across in their writing, what they are about.
ones character and his deeds and words are the fruits of his heart, directly and indirectly.
further a spiritually enlightened heart will not seek anything but positive, searching for the signs of the friend. neither hate nor love can repel or pull him away from the Friend.(paraphrase from BahaUllahs writting).
so chasing people and stubbornly passing judgement is something no one who wishes the Face of the Friend can or is willing to afford. that is the fruit of a longing heart.
yes in the twilight of hope and despair, (the valley of the shadow) a heart is either made eternal or is returned to dust. the desire is ours the choice is Gods.
Here is though in my opinion something that all religionist can agree on, respect and tolerate each other on its premises and live together in harmony and COOPORATION and that is, we all agree that the intent of all of us and the sincere quest of our heart is God no matter with what name we call Him. that is where we stop and cement brotherhood and leave the judgement to God.
good will to man

Dear Bahai: I did turn my

Dear Bahai: I did turn my heart to the God of Bahaii and all I saw was pure politics. (I was born Bahaii and some of my foolish family have wasted their lives on the call of CULT that you represent). The theology of Bahaiism is nothing but polished up copy of Islam. the author of (shugi afandi) took persian writings of people who never actually acclaimed to be prophets and under the Zionist direction and with the help of the British experts came up with a religion. I don't have fight with theological aspect of Bahaii because everything they claim is a translation from Islam. People usually figure this out fairly fast if they just study Islam a little more than they have.
However, in practice Bahaais take their lessons from Zionisim. If you want to know Bahaii's past, present and future just look at Zionisim. They are taking baby steps of early Zionisim in hopes of making Iran an anexed state of Israil and the west, under the management of Bahaii house of Justice. Otherwise lets face it what is in Iran for Bahaiis (if they are purly looking at it as a country of their prophets birth place). Moslems of the world don't have a claim for Saudi Arabia, Christians don't have a claim of Jeurosilim for their Prophets. But who do Bahaii's remind you of when they have a claim for Iran. Bahaiis are supposed to be peace loving cult so don't you think Iranians are at more peace without Bahaii's being their representative in the world. where is the peace that they have ever brought to humanity in general and Iranians in particular.(yes I know they claim that united nation is their idea, they also say they don't want to involve in politics). But show me a non politicallay and economically oriented approach for Bahaii's when it comes to serious human issues such as in Iraq, or in Iran. In fact is that they only steer things up when the west wants to pick a bone with Iran. The revenues of Bahaii's are not spent in Iran, they are spent in Israil. Lets face it they are a lot of good Bahaiis who truely are devoted to God.(but they are no different than God loving Talibons, Hezbollahs or Zionists who are misguided by their centers of control). I see 2 possible future for Bahaiis in relation to Iran: If Iranian government changes soon then the generation of Bahaiis who were born and raised in Iran will penetrate the government and further their Zionistic agenda under the various names and organizations. In fact Bahaai's are organizing themselves as we speak for such an opportunity. Second possibility is that time will not be in their favor and the current generartion of Iranins will die off. then no matter how hard they try the new generartion can not win the trust of Iranians. There you go for Peace.

I am wondering, what are the

I am wondering, what are the requirements to publish an article on Iranian.com?!!!

There is not a single worthy argument in this article! Just a bunch of rude words mixed with arrogance from someone who thinks that he has solved all humanities biggest questions and everyone who does not share his opinion needs to "wake up"!

On Sea Otters and Atheists...

"The time has come, the Walrus said, to talk of many things..."

I'm reposting a comment I made today to someone who suggested that Atheism was less missionary, hence less dangerous than religion: 

'I strongly suggest you read Koroush Sassanian's post entitled "I Strongly Suggest" under Curious Joe's current article on the homepage about the virtues of Atheism over religion.... Yes, there is such a thing as a missionary atheism....The worst excesses of missionary Atheism are to be seen in the Cultural Revolution of China. In any case I believe the distinction between atheism and religion to be a spurious one, and that science and the age-old truly spiritual practices of meditation into knowledge of "Cosmic Mind" will meet and become one with the help of the insights we gain from our technology. It has already been happening for a century in physics. The problem is: will we SURVIVE our technology in order to use it to transform us? That is the open question. What is atheism vs. spirituality?. Many Buddhist traditions consider themselves atheist in that they reject a "higher power" other than Mind which lies within everything that exists; many Communists have been CLEARLY dogmatically religious about their Atheism, and their Inquisitions would have made Torquemada frankly green with envy."

Religion/spirituality is a spectrum ranging from what are actually totalitarian political ideologies such as Velayate-Faghih to the Church of England to the poetry of Rumi and Hafez.  Atheism is likewise a spectrum ranging from the Buddhist concept of Cosmic Mind to the great flourescence of secular humanism to the Cultural Revolution.

It is true that most organized religions ossify into dogmas, and often dangerous ones, That is the case with all ideologies, including Atheism.  So far historically the deep intuitions TRUE spirituality has had since the dawn of time into the fluid, dynamic and boundless nature of Being, so parallel with modern physics,  have simply been too...mind-boggling to be faced without a dogmatic religious "container"  consistent with the rigid structure of patriarchal "civilization".

But as our mind advances along with our technology--again, IF we survive it--we will be able to withstand the boggling.  I anticipate a great coming together of the Secular and Sacred Enlightenments. Just look at the advance we're participating in right now--it's UNBELIEVABLE that human discourse--Logos, in the beginning there was the Word, and God SAID let there be light, reality is MIND (Buddhism), good THOUGHTS, good WORDS, good deeds, etc.--is taking place right here right now on this Matrix of the Web between all of us all over the planet.  One large planetary Mind.  At least...in potential...

Religion

all religion are creation of a despair man to change his society for better.
but as 90% of so called world human being are abselout stupid(less inteligent than a donkey)you can't expect a better result.
by reading some of the reply on this inteligently written article ,you will realize what I mean.
I'm amazed that some iranian(hypocrites living out side iran) still belive in islam.
a religion that comes by barbareian arabs force to Iran .
they killed,raped,destroyed the cities.
more than 60% of muslem are combination of hypocrit(man & women),rapist,pedifelia,crook,drugdealer of any kind of substance(men).if in doubt find a civilized muslem country from saoudi arabia to burmeh,africa to part of europe include (turkey).

bahai temple is built on the

bahai temple is built on the site of the first crusader landing in Holylands. Complete with Nazi style eagles, this religion's very deep foothold in the zionist state is a VERY curious phenomena indeed ...

curious joe, since you are

curious joe, since you are on uncle sam's payroll, you MUST know that they lady was killed by her ex-employees, don't you? So you want to pull a Shah on your "ally" Pakistan and turn it over to fundiloonies. (Don't you idiots ever learn?) So keep telling us to keep God out of our "Disneyland" (fuck you) and the MORE we will want to keep HIM around. If you don't like God, then God must be Good and Awesome ...

Re: Seagull......God is in our heart

I agree that God is in our heart. When it comes to interrelation among mankind, this is irrelevant, since it's not verifiable. Until we have a technology to actually find what is in one's heart, we can only value one based on his/her deed. Of course, a faithful man will always be benefitial and hazard-free to humanity.
The man whose heart and deed are not in harmony, is called a hypocrite.

Peace;

Iranians are gradually

any body's trap is better than your lies mr hooshang.
deception is not allowed in any religion neither is lying.
Bahais care about who rules your heart, God. countries will always have governments that come and go. people who worry to much about such things also come and go all in vain. God wants your heart hooshang.

27. O SON OF DUST!
All that is in heaven and earth I have ordained for thee, except the human heart, which I have made the habitation of My beauty and glory;...

(Baha'u'llah, The Persian Hidden Words)

peace

Iranians are gradually

Iranians are gradually falling in the trap of Bahaiis. Their house of justice has strict order for them to become more active than ever and mix with iranians. They are planning to take over in next change in the government. I am kind of hoping it to happen, so that may be iranians this time will learn the sinking in to misery can happen no matter which religion is mixed with the governemnt.

Re: Curious Joe

this gentleman needs to stop listening to what people say about religion and study and read on the philosophy of religion on his own.
He has a personal problem with people promoting Gods love and unity. he wants people to be silent yet prefers to speak on behalf of people, for people to people and promote himself and act as the spokesman for all, atheist or not, that by itself is very concerning.

Re: Curious Joe

What a pathetic take on the subject!

You say:
"will the Iranians ever wake up to realize that the whole concept of “God” is nothing but a mere figment of human imagination – no matter whether it is marketed by the Bible, Torah, Qoran, or any other fairy tale"

Wow, looks like you really discovered something with a little brain you have OR, did you have a revelation?

Now that you know so much, It's time to bring on your own religion and make some business.

All this religion stuff shows human urge to believe in something. Atheism itself is a religion but people associate the word "religion" with the missions prophets of god had. Religion is the philosophy of human life. You take it away from mankind, you're left with monkeys - some visious and some peaceful.
Tell me: did religion play any part in batural natural disasters? loss of more than 100k lives in a blink of an eye in Hiroshima?, Stalin slaughterhouse? Hitler's brutality? Modern faithless man is far more dangerous. One needs to blame the dark forces in mankind for all this rather than religion. Religions came to put the dark forces on leash!!!!!!!!!! Juducuiary system is the modern society's response to control member's behavior by deterrence which is based on religious values. I think we have pretty good LAW n' OEDER in modern societies but we lack this at international level.

I strongly suggest . . .

you watch the South Park episode where the future World is controlled by seaotters and Atheists!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKUJgkSOy8Y This is just small part of it!

In January, Nazanin Fatehi

In January, Nazanin Fatehi was released from an Iranian jail after a death sentence against her was revoked. She had originally been convicted of murder for fatally stabbing a man when he and two others attempted to rape her and her niece in a park. (Had she yielded to the rapists, she could have been flogged or stoned for engaging in nonmarital sex.)

The sparing of these women was very welcome news, of course, and it was not coincidental that each case had triggered an international furor. But for every "Qatif girl" or Nazanin who is saved, there are far too many other Muslim girls and women for whom deliverance never comes.

No international furor saved Aqsa Parvez, a Toronto teenager, whose father was charged on Dec. 11 with strangling her to death because she refused to wear a hijab. "She just wanted to look like everyone else," one of Aqsa's friends told the National Post, "and I guess her dad had a problem with that."

No reprieve came for Banaz Mahmod, either. She was 20, a Kurdish immigrant to Britain, whose father and uncle had her killed last year after she left an abusive arranged marriage and fell in love with a man not from the family's village in Kurdistan. Banaz was choked to death with a bootlace, stuffed into a suitcase, and buried in a garden 70 miles away.

More than 25 such "honor killings" have been confirmed in Britain's Muslim community in recent years. Many more are suspected.

There has been no storm of outrage about the intimidation and murder in Basra, Iraq, of women who wear Western-style clothing. Iraqi police say that more than 40 women have been killed so far this year by Islamists; the bodies are often left in garbage dumps with notes accusing the victims of "un-Islamic behavior."

By Western standards, the subjugation of women by Muslim fanatics, and the sometimes pathological Islamist obsession with female sexuality, are unthinkable. Time and again they lead to shocking acts of violence and depravity:

In Pakistan, a tribal council ordered a woman to be gang-raped as punishment for her brother's supposed liaison with a woman from another tribe.

In San Francisco, a young Muslim woman was shot dead after she uncovered her hair and put on makeup in order to be a maid of honor at a friend's wedding.

//www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinio...

Not granted

Sorry man, your wish will not be granted. You called it, "God and religion business". Religion is and has always been a business, a pretty damn good business.

As long as religion remains a business and a very lucritive one, blood will flow.

I see and feel as you do, but it will take hurculian feat to change views like these.

As far as Afshin's reply, religion is not good. It's one thing to have faith in something or someone, imaginary they may be, it is another thing to try to organize it and sell it to others. That's religion and that's bad.

Religions and concepts such

Religions and concepts such as god are created during thousands and thousands of years within the culture and communal living of human being.It can not be set aside in one night just because somebody sent a rocket to space. this is a precess; a long social process that should take its course eventhough it may takes many years. bringing up the Iranian example, the Iranian population is not made of a group of educateds living in exile(sometimes illusioned).If you take away the religion from the mostly peasant, religion-bounded and poorly educated people who are living in unurban areas, even small cities of Iran; they will be encountered with cultural vaccume. The theocratic and corrupt governments has provided the opportunity for the people to observe how the religion could be destructive and this condition will accelerate the process of removing the religion from their community GRADUALLY(or at least seperating it from the state).

REPLY : WILL IRANIANS EVER WAKE UP?

I`m afraid I will have to wait from hier to eternity if want realy see at which time will Iranias wake up. The Iranians - I mean the ones who have founded thier ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of IRAN, are living there and are willing to protect it from getting contaminated with devilish poisons again - mean they will continue the same way as the last 30 years till reappearing of Mahdi(s). I think better to give up woundering about the matter and living without any ambition to playing the "BEST KNOWER" in peace with myself without any Hatesfeellings against the ones who have found the best way for themselves. Greeting

I don't agree

It's the human nature behind politics that killed her, not necessarily religion or radicalism. I'm not defending the radicalists, but they've said that they didn't have any part in the assasination.

Religion is good when practiced in moderation and carrying sense of humbleness the prophets carried. The radicalism we're seeing today in the Middle East is a direct result of western imperalism.

And by the way, the Iranians want to separate religion from the state, but everytime they have gotten close to making the necessary reforms, America comes and messes it all up.