Are you Persian?

Growing pains that accompany becoming part of society outside Iran


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by hossein.hosseini
23-May-2008
 

Are you Persian? Asked the lady bank teller with dyed blond hair and otherwise very Iranian complexion. I answered “Baale Khanoom, Haletoon Khoobeh?”. Other times I have been asked “Are you Iranian?” It kind of dawned on me that as Iranians living in America, we might be facing an ‘identity’ crisis. Are we Persians, Iranians, Iranian Americans, Persian Americans, or Americans? I have seen all variations used many times. With our beloved homeland country Iran being in the news so often and almost always negatively, perhaps we want to somehow disassociate our selves from anything Iranian thus referring to ourselves as Persians or Persian Americans.

How we got to this point might not seem obvious to all, but in a nutshell we have an image problem. Most ordinary Americans know very little of ancient Persia's proud and cultured history, but they've heard a lot about Iran's radical leaders and nuclear ambitions. Things were ok up until a few years ago when events in the United States and abroad begun to crash in on our adopted homeland. The terrorist attacks of New York and Washington, election of Ahmadinejad in Iran and his provocative speeches, and President Bush labeling Iran part of an "axis of evil" with Iraq and North Korea made being Iranian in America seem so difficult. As a result, many of us Iranians who had long viewed ourselves as respected, assimilated Americans began to feel the heat of hostility. So when it came down to it, some felt we are not exactly cradle of civilization; rather axis of evil. So we decided to introduce ourselves as “Persians” as well as “Persian Americans” and the creation of heated disputes in the exile community that we cannot even agree on whether to call ourselves Persian or Iranian.

If you think this is confusing consider the fact that there is even a dispute on the country’s name change in1935 from “Persia” to “Iran”. According to Wikipedia, the name "Persia" until 1935 was the "official" name of Iran in the Western world, but Persian people inside their country since the Sassanid period (226–651 A.D.) have called it "Iran" meaning "the land of Aryans". In 1935 Reza Shah asked foreign countries to use "Iran" in other languages as well. Some believe he made this decision in order to be closer to Germany, by trying to emphasize the Aryan connection between Hitler's idealistic German Aryan race and the Persian Aryan race, given that "Iran" means "land of Aryans", at a time where the German empire was slowly becoming an unstoppable superpower.

Then there are others who believed he changed "Persia" to "Iran" to present a new and modern face of the country in the world. During World War II, Winston Churchill ordered that the name "Persia" be used in all British government documents to avoid confusion. Interestingly in 1959 Mohammad Reza Shah announced that both "Persia" and "Iran" could officially be used interchangeably. Now both terms are common; "Persia" mostly for historical and cultural texts, "Iran" mostly for political texts. In modern times, many of those exiled or alienated by the post-revolution Iranian government often refer to themselves as Persians. This is done to distance themselves from the current government of Iran.

Just like any other immigrant community, we have also experienced and continue to experience the growing pains that accompany becoming part of this society. Many communities have struggled to define themselves. There are those who define themselves as Mexicans, Hispanic, and Latino -- and yet their grandparents all emigrated from Mexico. All these terms in my mind function as symbols of identity and in some ways can serve as a glimpse into a person's worldview. I still have a difficult time understanding the fixation of some Iranians living in America with identifying themselves as 'Persian.' The name is obviously attractive and desirable for many reasons and there are those, mostly in the Monarchist camp, for whom it can be a way to associate with a period of Iranian history that many see as a Golden Age and symbol of our importance and power in the world.

For some, being 'Persian' maybe a way to help some clueless Americans distinguish between Arab and non-Arab peoples in the Middle East and that we aren't all the same 'over there.' Then again for the clueless and lay person, I submit it really does not matter. There is a segment that will always refer to “African Americans” as “blacks”, to Mexican Americans as “Mexicans” or “Latinos” and to Persian or Iranian Americans as “Eye-ranians”; you get the point. I can see that at times we sacrifice being 'Iranian' because being 'Persian' is easier, more glamorous, less painful and provocative in these hard times. Besides, being 'Persian' allows us to exist here without feeling bad or attracting unwanted attention. Please do not get me wrong, there are many great things that are associated with the word “Persia” and “Persian” the least of which is our proud history and civilization. Who can not accept that “Persian Rugs” are still the best in the world, that Persian Food is now well accepted here in America? I am only suggesting that the time has come for us, to accept the fact and start calling ourselves 'Iranian'. This might even force us to rethink our own role as a community and feel a greater sense of responsibility and attachment to a place we have become comfortable avoiding.

So finally who are we? The best scientific answer I could find for you was the result of a survey of Iranian Americans done by Iranian Studies Group at MIT in 2004. This is how we described ourselves: Iranian (44%), Persian (26%), Iranian American (13%), Persian American (5%), American (2%), and 10% said “Depends on the Situation”. The fact is that my generation might never settle the “Persian” vs. “Iranian” debate, but I think my children will. I am guessing that if someone asks my children where they are from, their answer might be “I am American of Iranian Descent”. If probed to explain their background and heritage, they should know enough about their parents ‘home’ country to explain the glory of Persia and the land it occupied in History. If all else failed, they might even show the pictures they took at Pasargad and the ruins of Persepolis last year when they visited their grand mother in Shiraz. Just remember, no matter who we think we are, we still love “Persian Food” adore “Persian Rugs” and at least among our own people we are “Iranians and proud of it”.


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Anonymous-persis

by sanazi on

Also, i just wanted to add that Iran and its surrounding areas was formerly known as 'Persia', and Persia has a history of harboring different ethnicities. so there is nothing wrong w/ an ethnic Iranian group to refer to themselves as Persians. SO YES, we are Persian regardless of our ethnicities.


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Mr. Hosseini

by Anonymous-persis (not verified) on

Dear Mr. Hosseini,
thanks for your article, I like to remined you that the real reason that many Iranians call themselves 'Perisan' is just because:

1) They do not want that their glorious past (pre-Islam) falls into oblivion.
2) they want to prevent that Iran get considerd as an Arab-Muslim country with only 1400 years primitive, shameful history(hanging, stoning, cutting people's limb as Islam orders to do).
3) The word Persian and Persia are very romantic names and it is a shame to fall into oblivion.
They are improtant facts about this issue that unfortunatly its understanding is not achieved by some Iranians(some Azeris, kurds).

I look forward to reading your next article about this Issue.
respectfully,
Persis


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To Kurdish Worrior

by Anonymous-persis (not verified) on

We are Persians regardless of our ethnicity. The civilized world uses the word 'Persians' to address all people living in Iran. For them Persia (Iran) is a country with long history of civilization, again regardless of our ETHNICITY. Get it. I think you suffer from an inferiority complex(like Ehsan-USA). I have read many of your comments and you keep writting the same nonsense. The word Persian caused a big complex for you, isn't it?. You need to see a psychologist and get professional help.
Go to Turkey and see what the Turks do to your Kurdish brothers and sisters and then decide to pop up and write such a unfair comments. If you compare the situation of Kurds in Turkey, Iraq, syria with those living in Iran you will kiss the hands of all Iranians (persians)because they treat your people with respect and dignity. If there is any oppression then is for all Iranians not only for Kurds!!!!!. Kurds, turks, lors ... they freely speak their language, wear their traditional costums and practice their own culture. What else do you want? If someone is unhappy with his/her life in Iran he/she needs to leave Iran and look for other places to reside. I'm not going to respond to your next comment because is hopeless and you should look for professional help from a doctor.
P.S. There are some comments about this article that you can read and see why is important that we should call us Persians and our country Persia, but first get the professional help!!!!


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TOTALLY CONFUSED!!!

by urstruly (not verified) on

Have some of you guys done your PhD in this area of PERSIA/PERSIAN/IRAN/IRANNIAN/AZERI, etc. etc.???

I always see a HUGE debate on this topic. I wish someone (totally unbiased) would write a book, or there would some day be some clarity for us ordinary people who really don't know the difference between saying you're Iranian or Persian and just use it interchangeably deepening on the situation.

Appreciate the discussion, but don't know who to believe!!!

Aghaye Hosseini, it's not just your article now that is being discussed, it's other issued that have come up through discussion--that's normal--we GOT what you said. Thanks, but let us be. :)


sanazi

persian lang.

by sanazi on

the persian lang. is not half arabic. That is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard! Yes, the persian lang. uses some arabic words BUT so does the turkish and azari lang. As far as azari goes, that lang. uses as much arabic words as does persian. and i know this for a fact, as many of my family members speak azari.


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Anonymously

by Kurdish Warrior (not verified) on

Iran is a Persian country?????Says whooooo? You?? read some book, educate yourself so you can free your mind...Cyrus who was the reason Iran existed was half Persian/Mede(Kurd)..I just need to keep reminding some of you who are just ignorant individuals. Without Medes (Kurds) there wouldn't be Iran. So please keep your racist thoughts to yourself. Shame on you.. and you call yourself an Iranian..It's hillarious..


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Just Iranian

by hossein.hosseini on

Wow! I did not think my article will create such a big debate over Persian vs. others (in this case our Azari) countrymen.  As some rightly noted, my intention was simply to point out the issue of some Iranians in America calling themselves Persian because of the political issues back home as well as the negative ‘stigma’ attached to the name due to the every day news. 

While some had good reason for their choice of Persian vs. Iranians, others simply took this out of context.  As far as I am concerned, in Iran, all ethnic groups, whether Azari, Baluch, Lor, Fars, or Arab will introduce themselves as Iranian the same way that an American from New York will do when traveling abroad.  Texas might be an exception:) So people chill out, take it easy and let’s stay with the topic.  We are all Iranians and proud of it.


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To Wondering

by Ehsan-USA (not verified) on

Believe me , Persians are those making trouble in Iran by insulting other ethnics and nor recognizing their identity and heritage.They will be responsible for possible future inter-ethnic conflict and seperation of Iran. Don't ignore Azeri Turks by just labeling them Pan-Turk. This is gonna be very bad. We are not PanTurk. go and search in Google "PanTurk" and see the definition. We are not Pan Turks but we are proud of our Turkic identity and heritage.


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To Persis

by Ehsan-USA (not verified) on

Persis, you better change your source of information. I think I am wasting my time discussing with you . You seem to be Pan-Fars with saying all this bullshit and supporting fascist Reza Khan. I am not Pan-Turk. Pan-Turkism means uniting all turkic nations under one flag. I am not interested in it. My concern is Turk 's cultural rights in Iran and persian fascism.
We want our language to be official in Iran. We want to have schools in our language. We want you to stop insulting us. We want you to recognize our identity and rights. That is all. Ali Khamenee is not Azeri. He was just born in Azerbayjan. His parants are from Ashtian. 90 % of ministers are Azeries????? There is just two Azeri minister in the cabinet. Please let us know your source of information about this. And many Azeries that have some good positions , they are all assmmilatted and they are worse than Persians to us. So we hate them more that we hate fascist Persiasn. We call them Mankurt.
Vasalam


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Iran is NOT Persia

by Kurdish Warrior (not verified) on

That word was only used by GREEKS. When you refer to Iran as Persia, you are disrespecting other Iranian groups. Iran is land of many groups and doesnt just belong to Persians but Azeri, Kurds, Baloch and Iranian Arabs as well. I don't mind if someone says I'm Persian. He/She is just proud to be Persian, Same goes with other Iranian groups. But when you say I'm from Persia it sounds like you from Fars region not IRAN. Respect to all Iranians. Shame on those with racist agenda.


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Ehsan, You sound like a

by Wondering (not verified) on

Ehsan,
You sound like a smart guy, but remember the author wrote an essay about something completely different than the issues you've put forth. The author is opening the discussion on a particular issue among the Iranian immigrants subculture.

If you think your topic requires attention, then write an essay of your own, and we'll be sure to jump in and enlighten the audience.

If you went back to Iran without any prior judgment, you would have also acknowledged that Azari's have gained and enjoy a significantly greater influance in today's Iran than any time past. And when it comes to global conflicts, don't put too much stock into our glorious western prizes and organizations. That's good for us to ah and ooh, but the adversary has its own milestones. The mullah's don't even acknowledge William Nobel, yet they are on the move with increasing their influance in your beloved turkey at a much greater rate than the US has been able to maintain.

So far your argument sounds more like a person that's under the influance of thoes who want to see division and conflict in that region for their own personal gain, so if you decide to write your article, pick your poisen wisely.


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To Ehsan All the nonsense

by Anonymous1234 (not verified) on

To Ehsan
All the nonsense you wrote is like that bogus UNESCO figure. All of it coming straight from pan-Turkic propaganda. The 10 million or so Azeris in Iran are not oppressed and they are doing better than most Iranians economically. Sorry to break it to you, but Rudaki the first Persian poet came from the Samanid era.

Seljuqs did not come from Azerbaijan and the linguistic shift of Azerbaijan is more than well documented. Unfortunately, there is a disease called pan-Turkism which has effected some of the Iranian Azerbaijanis. But not the majority. We'll see how it turns out.


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to Ehsan-USA

by Anonymous-persis (not verified) on

You need to change your source of information. In all your comments you repeat the same mistakes. Turan does not mean Turk and we did not have any turkic people before 1307 AD. The saljukes were a Turkish tribe from central Asia. They entered Iran in 1037 AD and occupied Persia. They killed as many Persian as they could in Atropates(Azer-abadegan) and deport the rest of the Persian people to other regions in Persia and relocate their own Turkic people from central Asia to Atropates or today Azarbaijan and they managed to bring the Turkish genes to this part of Iran. They first attacked Iran from Northwest (Azer-abadegan) and than other parts of Iran. Believe me they did not have Airplanes or Chopper at that time to bring their army to the south of Iran.  The Zoroastrian genocides by the shia Safavids and Qajars, which costs millions of Iranian lifes, are the gift of Islam that you are proud of it. The Constitution of 1906, shows how shia Muslims and the Qajars(Azeris/turks) tried to pressure the original inhabitants of Iran to convert to Islam. Reza Shah the Great was the rescuer of Iran and brought the domination of the Mongolic Qajars and their coalition with the Mullahs to the end. And you consider his work(saving Iran from vatan forosh likes of Qajar) as a discrimination and barbaric act!. You constantly talk about anything turkic. The only thing in danger today is the persian-ness and iranian-ness which is under attack from all sides, by islamic culture, by arabs, by turks and by pan-arab-turk IRI rulers and supporters. If you go to centers of trade in tehran, what you see most is abundance of turkish dialog, and nobody complains. What else do you want? Do you want "persians" to displace themselves and their culture in their own historical land so that turkish can flourish beyond the half-dozen historically-persian-now-turkish countries to include all of iran as yet another turkish country? I worked and lived in Azerabadegan and kurdestan for some years and I remember very well that they spoke their local language freely, they did wear their traditional costumes and practiced their own culture and norms. What else do you want? Iran was ruled for the last 1100 years by turkic tribes which killed millions of Persians(Iranians) and coerced them into the Arab-Turk backward religion by genocide and atrocities. Don't you want to talk about all those crime committed by turkic rulers or you have no knowledge of it? Even in Mohammad pahlavi reign many of ministers were turks and his wife Farah Dieba was a turk too. IRI-ruler, Ali Kamaneie is a turk and 90% of Ministers are form turkic origin. If there was/is any oppression then is exposed by our turkish rulers upon all Iranians (Persian, Azari, kurds, lors etc).


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To Samsam

by Ehsan-USA (not verified) on

Dear Samsam,
we Azeri Turks have done whatever we could to protect and advance Iran. For example Safavids , after destruction of the country by Mongols(Turks have nothing to do with Mongols racially and culturally) Safavid united Iran and developed it. So you are right we know Iran as our fatherland(or may be we knew it) but during these past 80 years that Persians took the power they ignored us and ruined our identity. All these cultural , social and economical discrimanion makes me not have a minimum patriotic feeling about Iran. I am now 25 years old and actually when I was in high school I was very patriotic but things changed when I went to Tehran and came to USA and learned what you have done to us(mainly have been able to assimmilate many Azeris) and what you think about Turks and when I realized that you are representing Iran as persian country.
So ,If you want for everybody/every ethnic to feel proud of Iran(its Persian , Turkic heritage) you should change your attitude toward us and don't consider us as Aliens. Also don't you should not repeat your propaganda that you are Azari not Turks and you have been turkified. This a big insult to us that consider ourselve as Turks.

Yashasin


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To Persis

by Ehsan-USA (not verified) on

Mr Persis ,
I said grametically. "ishallah" is a word and has nothing to do with grammer. Also we Azerbaycani Turks are muslims and proud of that unlike you.I did n't claim Turkish language is pure , did I?
In your Ferdowsi 's Shahnameh there is Turan people that were enemy of you Persians. So where were these Turan people living? Turan=Turk . Part of Turks were living in Azerbaycan at those times and even some of Sasanid kings were half Turks. Then in Selcuk times , Selcuk tribe of Turks invaded south part of Iran and created Selcuk empire. Selcuks did n't invade Azerbaycan.It was their homeland. If they invaded Azerbaycan and changed the language , how come they didn't change the language in other part of Iran? You Persians talk nonesene and claim something based on lies and sick mind.How these uncivilized!! people(that is what you claim) did change the language of very civilized people with rich langauge(Kasravi 's Azari) . What you say are just propaganda and lies to realize your dreams. Kasravi was hired by Pahlavies to spread lies and all his bullshits were political. Those about Islam and those about Azerbaijanies idenity. He himself later in his life confessed to this and said that Turkish language is powerful than Persian.

I have a very simple question for you? Do you agree that whatever the history was , now Azerbayjani people speak Turkish language and they call themselves Turks? Do you recognize their right to freely speak their language and get their education in their language? Do you agree that at least 20 million Azeri Turks (upper limit is 35 million of course) live in Iran and they want their basic rights? Do you agree that we are suffering from cultural, social and economical discriminatiom imposed upon us by central government run by Persians?
Don't tell me that Khamenee is Azeri. He is not .He just was born in Azerbaycan and his parents are from Ashtian. And he does n't have any connection to Azerbaycani people.

Yashasin Azerbayjan


samsam1111

Dear Azari Friend! Now You are talkin ..good points

by samsam1111 on

I still believe deep down you may resent Persians but love your fatherland "our glorious Iran". I simply was responding to your kinda inferiorating remarks against Persians in particular...How ever now that you brought up the Sociopolitics here I agree %100 with you that Azaris consider themselves turks and we all have to respect that. the rules as I see it:

1- I am against some my ignorant countrymen/women who keep introducing themselves as Persians when asked about nationality.

The name is Iran and thats it.You don,t see an American call himself californian when asked by a Japanese about his /her nationality.It,s okay to introduce yourself as Persian if asked "what language you speak?"..I know it,s more to do with trend than racism that you claime.

 

2-Facts on the ground suggest that after 30 years of brainwashing by regime the youth in Iran has no clue about it,s Iranian heritage.so your claime about chovenistic Fars regime is baseless.The better name would be Panarabist regime.

3-Federal system with the right for all ethnic groups to claime and teach their youth (parallel to persian ,national language) the ethnic language & culture is a necessity not a luxury.but has to be done in parallel to educating the youth about their national heritage aka Irani.

4-Cyrus the great ruled over a vast land consisting of 23 ethnic groups of which only 12 were af Indo-european descent.his system was in essence a federal system that worked "Satrapy".He was only involved in the affairs of the ethnic groups in the time of taxes,war and national occasions.

 

I can without a doubt tell you on behalf of every Iran loving individual that We respect and cherish your Azari turkic heritage(wether we agree on some historical facts or not) and consider you no less Irani than that Persian in Fars or that Gilak in Gilan.Iran today is what it is, the remnant of our shared glorious heritage.azari,Persian,Lur,Kurd,Gilak,turkomen, etc

 

I still respectfully advise you to go and do some research on Caucasian Indo-European history in Caucuses.I assure you that your findings will add to your knowledge and gap your misguided misunderstanding about your fatherland Iran.


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To Ehsan-USA

by Anonymous-persis (not verified) on

Your comment has ended with "ishallah" which is an Arabic word and is in contradiction with your Turkish language being the third gramatically powerful language in the world!!!!.
Do yourself a big favor and study some history books written by non-turkish auothors, because many of those author manipulate the historical and scientific facts which is a result of their inferiority complex.
What you said about UNISCO is a big LIE,as always a good lie finds more believers than a bad truth!!!!.
Babak Khoramdin was a Persian and he never heard or spoke a word in Turkic. Here is the historical fact about Babak the Persian Hero, try to read and understand.
Fact Nr 1: He was born into a Persian family in Atropates (today Azar-Abadegan) in 798 AD.
Fact Nr 2: The saljukes were a Turkish tribe from central Asia. They entered Iran in 1037 AD and occupied Persia.
Fact Nr 3: For babak to be Turkish, he must have lived after this change!!!!!!. Did babak live after the Turkish conquest?
Fact Nr 4: If babak was a rebel against the Arabs, he must have lived at a time close to the Arab invasion 633-656 AD (Arabs ruled Iran about 350-400 years). Well like I said, he was born around 798 AD , long before the Turkish invasion (Saljukes). For Babak to be a turk he must have lived at least 500 years (no human being lives so long!!!).
Babak lived in a very Persian family, spoke Persian and fought for Persia and Persians, not for Turks. Because of the pan-turk logic which is based on lies, complexes and manipulating the historical facts, many turks think that babak was a turk.Figures, never lie, but liars can figure.


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To Samsam( We are Azeri Turks )

by Ehsan-USA (not verified) on

Mr. Samsam,
Again you repeated your false claims typical to chouvinist persians.I know that "Herodotus" in his book has called you Persians Barbar and in western world Persian empire is known as "EVIL EMIRE". Do you think killing people and occupying other nations land by brutality and wildness can be something to be proud of? What kind of contribution to the world civilizaion you had regarding science, literature ,... All your literaute that you are proud of now is after Islam when Turkic rulers flourished the culture and civilized people in the region.
Babak Khorramdin was an Azerbaycani hero . You should accept and recognize our turkic idenity in Iran and you can not force your language and your identity to people that have different roots and languages forever. Why you persians can not tolerate existence of different ethnic and languages . You are claiming that you are civilized but your actions against non-persians in Iran especially Turks are very uncivilized and inhumane. Azeri Turks have been in the region for thousands of years and you can not change their idenitity now(And you have not been able during the past 80 years of "SYSTEMATIC" oppression . We love our langauge , "OGUZ" heritage like you like yours. Why you don't respect us? You are claiming your language and culture is rich , but why you don't let Azeri Turks practice their culture and freely speak and flourish their language and get their education in their own language. If you have not forced your language why there is no even "ONE" school in my language in Iran in every level. If you are not biased , then why 100000 Armenians have their own schools but 30000000 Azeries suffering from cultural discrimination. Why there is always "Bakhshname" forcing people not to use Turkish words for their bussiness labels and places in Turkish speaking cities( I can show you some of these Bakhshname if you want).
These cultural and economical discrimination makes Azerbaycanies angry toward Persiasn and results are the mass protest that we had 2 years ago. The result you see now is people like me that are very reluctant to speak your langauge and kind of hate whatever it is related to Fars and Fars people(Of course Fascist Persians , there are some good persians that I respect).when you ignore our identity and language do you excpect we should be friend with you? When you are saying Turkish language is an alien(Anirani) language in Iran while at least 30 million people speak in this langauge in Iran , you are expecting that we should unit with you. You know that we have contribuited a lot to Iran and its civilization. We have many peots that have poems in Farsi language. We have many Azerbaijanies that sacrificed their lives to Iran. We have had sattarkhans, Khiabani seghatol eslam and many many others. But what we have got from you instead. Who can tolarate this situation? During past 85 years you have been ruining our identity and trying to assimmilate Azeries. As I said insulting our identity and language is common culture amongst you.
So , We do not want to tolarate this situation anymore and will fight with you to get our rights back. Then when we get all our rights , Ma ra bekheir , Shoma ra be salamat.

Again You Persians make up only 50 % of Iranian population and don't expect that you can easily introduce Iran as Persian country. Turks, Kurds and Arabs will resist to it. whether you like it or not. Things have been changed and Already Azerbayjanies have been awaken and you should go to our cities to feel what we think about Fars people.

Yashasin Azerbaycan


samsam1111

MY Dear Azari Ehsan my Misguided compatriate Irani

by samsam1111 on

 

To belittle is a sign of immaturity.

I will poit out some facts and I beg you to go and educate yourself.

1-Babak Khoramdin was an half Sarmatian,half Kurd Irani "Tarikheh Tabari".The Khaliffe needed abu hamzeh to translate Babak words from Persian into Arabic when he was at his court to be sentenced.Read

2-Iran,s ancient glory can,t be erased by you saying so.It,s there physicaly and in the Literatures including the one you misquoted by "Herodotus". I have a copy of Herodotus(A Greek writer 485AD historian" with me.If you have read it as you claime then sober up and read it again when it talkes about Persian empire and her  glory.also read ancient Greek and Roman historians like Strabus,Xenephone,Acetidus,...read old Avesta,Karnak Artashir(about Aturpatkan or azerbaijan and it,s Pahlavi roots".I agree with you about Farsi being polluted by foreign Arab words and thats why we are fighting to fix it.

My dear proud Azari friend Ehsan, You are an Azari & the descendent of a proud Alan/Sarmatian/Aryan  Irani Heritage. When Huns and Attila(mongolide) army came through Caucuses they forced the remaining Scythian/alans Aryan tribes to join their Army. Thats how the Europes called parts of the Huns as "White Huns" aka Azaris.Thats how your Phlavi language was turned into mongolide Turkic form.But thats okay.You are a proud Iranian and I know you still love Iran after your rant.

 

Don,t belittle your proud ancestors for a mongolide heritage which I respect as part of the humanity as well.

Deep down You are still a son of Iran


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To Eshan, You said: "come on

by Anonymous1234 (not verified) on

To Eshan,
You said:
"come on your language is labeled as 33th dailect of arabic language by UNISCO. Can you tell me a sentence in Persian without using an arabic word?"

Yes you can read the Shahnameh or read the Kalil-o-Demna Parsi (which does not use a single Arabic word in the whole book). How about this: Boro andaki daanesh amooz bejaayeh in hameh zhaazh-gooyi?

By the way that information falsely attributed to UNESCO was a big lie made by the pan-Turkist magazine Omid-e- Zanjan to make pan-Turkists feel good about themselves.

"Did you know that Turkish language is the third gramatically powerful language in the world(UNISCO)."

Same lie! UNESCO has no such thing grammatically powerful!

You said:
"DEDE KURKUT" epic book is older than Shahhnamel and was selected "The book of the year" by UNISCO in 2000."

Dede Korkut has the word Istanbul which did not exist 600 years ago! Shahnameh was written in the 10th century. Dede Korkut is written in the 14-16th. Here is what a Turkish author says:
"It was not earlier than the fifteenth century. Based on the fact that the author is buttering up both the Akkoyunlu and Ottomon rulers, it has been suggested that the composition belongs to someone living in the undefined border region lands between the two states during the reign of Uzun Hassan (1466-78). G. Lewis on the hand dates the composition “fairly early in the 15th century at least”.( Cemal Kafadar, “in Between Two Worlds: Construction of the Ottoman states” , University of California Press, 1995)"

Dede Korkut unlike Shahnameh does not mention Azerbaijan and did not have a cultural influence on the region.

Also UNESCO names a book or cultural icon of each country every year. Like it did with Shahnameh in 1993.

Per your information, Turkish language in Iran is not banned. It is just not government funded (except some university level courses). But you can publish it in it, there are state TV programs in it, magazines and etc.

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Persian was never forced on the population but was chosen as the official language of Iran in 1906 and has had a long precedence. For example Qatran Tabrizi, the first Persian poet of Azerbaijan existed at least 300-400 years before the first Turkish write from Azerbaijan.

Also Babak Khorramdin was a Persian/Iranic speaker (Tati/Talyshi), at his time the area was not Turkish.

Anyhow please read some real books in history.


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THE MEDIA

by urstruly (not verified) on

One reason we are not eager to announce our nationalities (Persian or Iranian) is the media. For example, that singer Elli Albeik (or whatever her name is). Why should there be confusion as to whether she is IRANIAN or ARAB or TURK or anything else. First by her name, "EL" SAMAH, and then title of her song "HABIBI"???

This is why Iranian youths, and even older people can not get a CLEAN BREAK as to defining their IRANIAN-NESS.


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I use them both

by Anonymous1234 (not verified) on

I use them both interchangeably. Persian in the Western languages means Iranians (Parthians, Achaemenids, Sassanids, Medes) all the way down to today. It is more about history/common geographical region.


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To Parsi .(Down with Persian Fascism)

by Ehsan-USA (not verified) on

Actually I wrote an answer to your other comment(which was a reply to my copmment) but the administrator of this website(who is most probalbly fascist Persian) did n't like to post it. So that means that you are afraid to hear truth and what other ethnics in Iran think about you. I am sorry for you guys. Anyway, you don't know anything about Turkish language, culture and civilization. You are saying " Insulting other people is actually a sign of weakness. Cowards do insult" this sentences are exactly right. You Persians are insluting other ethnics and and that is obvious for everbody.Insulting Turks is a common culture in your society.You are systematically humulating Turks in your TVs, newspapers , everyweher to assimmilate us. Shoma farsha darin ba in harfha va karatoon oghdehaye tarikhitoono daf mikonin!! So you are actually weak people.
To dar moderede zabano farhange torki chi midooni akhe? gheir az chizhayee ke too ketabhaye tarikhe madrase khundi ke hamash nezhad parastaneh va doroughi bish nist? shoma akhe be chitoon eftekhar mikonin? tarikhe ghabl az eslametoon ke pooche va 80 sale piosh nevehste shode ta bara khodetoon hoviat doroost konin! azizam injoori ke nemishe , darin rosva mishin khob! tell me what kind of contribuation you had to the world civilization before Islam? just one case ? I know that Greeks did a lot and I respect them. what about you? You were actually barbarians at those times (Greek historians say this). you said Persian language is pure!!! come on your language is labeled as 33th dailect of arabic language by UNISCO. Can you tell me a sentence in Persian without using an arabic word?
Did you know that Turkish language is the third gramatically powerful language in the world(UNISCO). Did you know that last year Turkish literature won NOBLE prize? Did you know Turkish " DEDE KURKUT" epic book is older than Shahhnamel and was selected "The book of the year" by UNISCO in 2000.
motmaneam ke shoma farhsa ye seri oghdehayee be ma Torkhga darin va psihrafte torkha ra nemitunin tahamol konin. That is why you are insulting turks(Sytematically ) to destroy their idenity in Iran and assimmilate them to your semi arabic persian culture. That is why you have banned Turkich language in school and everwhere in Iran? That is why you have forced your language upon us? We don't want it , we don't like to live with you fascists in the same country.
I don't know if this comment is gonna posted or not but you gotta understand that the situation wont be like this forever and you can not continue with fascistic policy forever. We azerbaycanies(who are sons and daughters of Babak Khoramdin and Sattar Khan) will free occupied Azerbaycan from your dirty hands . ishallah


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Persian

by Anonymous878 (not verified) on

It is important to use the ancient name 'Persia' when we refer to Iran. Iran was known as Persia in the civilized wrold with a long history of civilization. If we use the name Iran we automatically eliminate the glorious, pre-islamic history of Iran(Persia). That is the reason why many nations in the world think that Iran is an Arab-muslim country which had existed only for the last 1400 years. I wanted to ask you, as Iranians (Persian), not to use 'Farsi' when you refer to Persian language in an English text. Our language is Persian and we are Persians regardless of our ethnicity. It is important to keep those name alive to show that Iran is not a Arab country.


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Ehsan-USA, you don't have both oars in the water!

by Anonymous-persis (not verified) on

you suffer from an inferiority complex. You need professional help to heal your sick mind. By bashing other people's culture and history you can not end your inferiority complex. Insulting other people is actually a sign of weakness. Cowards do insult. Remember that cowards die daily, the brave but once, then be brave!!!!.
Azar-Abadegan has always been a part of Iran. It belongs to Iran. Those Turks( With white skin)or whoever else who does not like this land, they are free to leave. The great people of Iran have hosted them so far. It is time for these guests to leave if they are not happy to live in Iran. They should go wherever they think they are better taken care of.

P.S. Wash your mouth with detergent & golab before using the word Iran or Persian.


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Iran = Persia and Persia =

by Fatollah (not verified) on

Iran = Persia and Persia = Iran. What is the matter with you all? The writer of this article, Mr. Hosseini has a point and the rest of you "Hashie meereen"! I beleive there is an identity crises going on, especially among our younger generation who live outside Iran.


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From your real Azari Irani

by samsam1111 on


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We are all the branches of that ancient Aryan tree from

by samsam1111 on

Caucuses which spread through out Iran "Aryenam Vajou"..Atur(azari),Lurs,kurds,Persians,Saka,gilak,khorasmia(parthia),,etc... Modern Persian is our unifying tool and that all..to Azari friend..please don,t be shallow ..persians have blondes too just like azari..my father side(bakhtiari fars,) my mom (Lur nahavand)..we got tons of blond green eyed cousins if that is suppose to be of any glory..you are pretty uninformed about our heritage..please study.


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This is propaganda

by Ehsan-USA (not verified) on

Dear Hooman,
in reply to Mr. Bonab 's findings , believe me these are all Persian Chouvonism/Fascism propaganda to assimmilate Azeri Turks. We are different than Persians, please look at your white skin and your complexion and compare it with real Persian for example from Kerman . do you see the difference? many Tehranians that are white skinned are originally Azeri but assimmilated during 85 years of oppression. By saying this I am saying that being white skinned or darked skinned is an issue , just to distinguish between people. Our lanauge is compeletely different that half-arabic half persian language. I request all my Azeri Soydashlar to resist to Persian assimmilation policy.

Best Wishes


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Iran is not a Persian country

by Ehsan-USA (not verified) on

Persians make up only 50 % of Iranian population and Iran is not persian country. Azerbaycan is Azeri Turks historical homeland and will be forever.If you keep barking , We will have to deport you to Afghanistan where you originally belong.