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reponse to my letter

nokia

is also a sponsor of terror as it supports the state of israel. certainly let's boycott them!

Peace!

choghoc

Ari Khan!

Hi again Ari. I would like to answer to your questions.

1. In Iran Criminality is mostly state business. There is no need for high tech  to see that. The killing of dissidents were never solved and one alleged murderer "committed suicide" while in jail, a multimillionaire that had paid of all the parliament was put in jail because he was not part of the establishment. Even for the criminals they catch they use the easy way of beating the confession out of them or put them on severe psychological pressure without presence of any defense. For these things high tech systems from Nokia is as they say in bible pearl for pigs.

2. Intelligence community is much wiser than using traceable calls. They usually scramble their communications so that it can not be eves dropped.

So I find it very likely that the only usage of this system is to harass dissidents and opponents inside and outside of Iran. This system is not vital as airplane, food or medicine for Iranian people.

/Bidar bash ke ma bekhabim

This is not a new thing...

Its the oldest trick in the world. Back in 1995 the first cell phone company in Baku Azerbaijan was BakCell which was owned by the Israelis. They were selling and renting cell phones to mainly the expats who visited or started to live/work there. Why? They were keeping an eye on all the dealings and converstaions through that. Azerbaijan's landline phone system was basically nonefunctional. So this was a great deal for visiting businessmen. They got the phone and certain people got the low down on everything. And I don't think cell phone tapping is a new phenomena in Iran, either. Siemens is one of the oldest foreign companies in Iran and they have a very thin business ethics code. They'll do anything to sell something to the government.

Dear Boycotters,

You all think you are sooo intelligent. But do you know what happens to countries which are boycotted? They turn to something called Cuba, Burna or North Korea. And do you know who suffers in those countries? Be sure, not the rulers.

Please shut up and stop giving silly advises. It doesn´t matter to you anyway, you are living abroad, writing half-witted comments and having good lives. It matters only to the people living in Iran.

chogok: multiple use problem

1. Facilitate the capturing of criminals.

2. Intercept espionage communications..

The misuse of the technology is as JJ descibes in the petition.

My worry is that now that there is a chance economic sanctions on Iranians would be eased by Western governments, non-governmental boycotts would rush in to fill the vacuum. And we would be back to Iran's banks being hamstrung, passenger aircrafts without replacement parts, and civilian scientific and educaction efforts being sacrificed to insignificant gains in terms of freedom.

Ayatoilet The truth!

You are right about the IRI using the Ericsson bought equipment for jamming signals. But this equipment is just an antenna just like any other antenna. If used correctly it could have been used for broadcasting, but instead IRI used it to send parasite signals on the same frequency to the sender in USA from Cuba, that is what I have read from the newspapers. There is a difference between that and Nokia which sells a system that has no other use than to harass Iranian citizens.

P.S Ericsson is not owned by Sony. www.ericsson.com 

/Bidar bash ke ma bekhabim

OTHER TELECOMS BEFORE ELECTIONS

Ericsson before it was sold to Sony, between 2003 and 2005 sold the Islamic Republic through French and Swedish companies equipment for satellite TV signal jamming, this was before the previous presidential "election" and was somewhat successful until the signals were tweaked. Telecoms have been collaborating with the oppression of Iranians for years. Also equipment were installed at the Iranian embassy in Havana to jam satellite signals across the Atlantic ocean, but this was against international law and the Cubans stopped them.

Thank you JJ for having let us know, but

not only the Iislamic Republic of Iran but also a nummber of other countries Boycott Nokia Siemens and do not buy from them anything since the gaza-masacre of women and children. so the signing of the petition is actually NUSHDARU, which should now be appleid after things are over. better forgett it. The aera as likewise petitions could help to stand through the frustrationsperiods and depressions and disappointments is since long over. In the sake of God or if anybody wishes in the sake of Bushy Bushy and Uo BA MA give it up and come back to the realities of - at least - your life. is any body aware that the europian companies and also some americans have invited the Islamic Republic of Iran to invest in their countries? to buy shares? to cooperate economically with them? Greeting

Damet garm Ostaad

Khoob endaakhti. good one.

Ostaad

I wrote most not all other countries. Of course when you have power you will sometimes misuse it how much depends on the country and level of democracy, for IRI misusing it is using it.

/Bidar bash ke ma bekhabim

choghok,

FYI.

//www.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/us/16nsa.html?_r...

Difference on who is buying Ari!

You are right that IRI is simply buying what other countries are buying. But the reason Iran regime is buying the equipment is different. In most other countries these gadgets are used for tracking and listening to criminals and may be terrorist activity, in Iran since the regime itself is Criminal the system is used to eavesdrop on its opponents, arresting political activists that walk on the street or calling people on their non-registered prepaid phones to intimidate them is just two examples of what this system allows IRI.

/Bidar bash ke ma bekhabim

Diaspora pimp-olla for the cause of hezbolla & ayatolla

are takin jj lil petition a bit too personal . Not to worry , your beloved Qadesiyeh regime is safe & sound . Keep riding ur camel, writing ur subtle elitist prop, trading your carpets, importing ur nuts & getting ur basij financed PHD( pin headed dumbo in case of ideologues) in infidel land . So save your energy & keep ur panties or amameh on , since your Arabo Ommatie Don Corleone may call on you for a bigger cause l8er on . & as for those innocent GPS , Garmin industries didn,t intend to build em to shorten ur trip to evin & ali asghar geshtapo,s .

Cheers!!!

lol , btw* notice how these Ommaties/commie 5th column have jumped on their one time idol jj . what happened to "oh our great leader of the community jenabeh jahanshah javid" , and all those phonie kisseh keshie sibaazi . JJ pal , repent before it,s 2 late ::)) 

//www.iranianidentity.blogspot.com/

//www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

IRI terrorists should be boycotted

this is a complete sham and a disgrace to the Iranian community.

Two times I made a post to this thread asking a simple question and two times it was censored and did not appear.

My question was very simple: "Who will stop the US funded terrorists who operate inside Iran?"

Now I just made a post with "IRI terrorists" in the headline in hopes that he is so biased that he would not read the rest.

JJ and Iranian.com have shown whose side they really stand on: they themselves censor and deny access to views they do not like just so they can say they oppose anything bad. No critical thinking allowed. Jahanshah is acting like a dictator for no good reason.

-anonymous8

JJ jaan, ye donya mamnoon

JJ jaan,

Thank YOU so very much for organizing this petition.  I added my name and the following statement:

It is immoral and unethical to help such a brutal dictatorship as the regime ruling Iran. Shame on Nokia and Siemens. Those who place greed and profit over basic human decency and human rights give capitalism a bad name. I hope all decent human beings would boycott these two companies. And I hope those governments that oppose dictatorship and terrorism ban these two companies from doing business in their countries.

ye donya mamnoon,

Masoud

Indirect sanctions

This is nothing

More and more cell phones have GPS tracking software. Not just for 911 calls, either.

And as for who monitors the GPS satellites, trust me when I tell you that it's the government and not the Verizon Wireless dude who says, "Can you hear me now? Good!"

Just a fact of life in this high-tech world we live in.

If you're against any form of surveillance, you need to shut off your cell phone, your home phone, your computer, your PDA or BlackBerry, and virtually anything you own that utilizes digital technology that is not self-contained.

Why would Iran control?

Why would Iran want to control bunch of teenagers in the country? I mean, in Iran no one monitors the land lines which are easier to monitor, why would they do that to cell phones.
Think about this for a minute.

you'll believe anything

if it even remotely sounds anti-israeli, won't you?

Stupid posting. You folks

Stupid posting. You folks need to get a little more brains before you start petitions. Idiots.

IRI: This will be your fate!!

iri:

""John Demjanjuk was released from federal custody Tuesday evening, just hours after six immigration officers removed the accused Nazi death camp guard from his suburban home in a wheelchair, authorities said. Federal officials had taken Demjanjuk to a federal building in downtown Cleveland, but the 89-year-old retired autoworker's impending return to Germany was halted when three-judge panel of the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals granted a stay of deportation.

An arrest warrant in Germany claims Demjanjuk was an accessory to some 29,000 deaths during World War II at the Sobibor camp in Nazi-occupied Poland. Once in Germany, he could be formally charged in court.

Demjanjuk was driven to his home in Seven Hills after his release, former son-in-law and family spokesman Ed Nishnic said. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a statement they'll supervise him through electronic monitoring...""

//www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/nazi-depo...

Good Job Mr. Javid

Once again Euros prove to put $$ above all - with no regards for humans and their Rights. 

Never!

I will never sign such a pitiful petition ... it is the absolute right of evey government to pick and chose any method to ensure safety and security of its people .. it's about time we grow up and support our government .. no matter how imperfect it is.

IRANdokht, got cell?

May I ask what you did when it was revealed that most US cell phone carriers, except Quest that refused the US government's order, turned in their customers' phone records? (of course I'm assuming you live in the US). I canceled my 2-year contract and paid a hefty fine exactly for that reason. I'm using a carrier service which was not named but I'm not so sure that they did not cooperate with the government.

BTW, Amdocs has all your cell phone records if you like it or not.

...and then?

I already signed the petition but believe it or not nobody care about Human Rights violation in Iran or in other parts of the world. The only thing that is important for those who claim to be the defenders of Human Rights is MONEY and nothing else. Haven't you seen the "Bow" of the President of so called "great nation of America" to Arab guy whose land is the number one in violating human rights? What does it tell you?
The Iranian people should do something about it and free themselves first from IRI and then form the backward arab religion.

Choghok jan

I hope for you that his action influences the decision making in those companies. I am only afraid that it will have no effect at all. But hey, signing a petition didn't hurt anyone before, so go for it.

Signed

Thanks JJ

I am against all forms of wire-tapping and electronic surveillance anywhere in the world, Iran and USA in particular because it becomes personal! 

IRANdokht

They all do it

Google did it with China and they were the moral ones. Reminds me of this blond nurse, once I ran into her after my shift and it was in a bad neighbor hood in Detroit, so I tell her what is a girl like her doing in this bar, oh well it turned out, she did not go with the quiet ones, but she did like the others. I was too naive. They all have needs.