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Reg "hopefully you and your like won't set foot in...."

This is my general reply to all ir apologists and makeover artists:

No matter how you spin the fact the truth is that islamic gov is a fascist
dictatorship and people are suffering severely under this regime. You can blame
US, UK, IS,.... or other imaginary enemies for the crimes committed by ir but
there are numerous irrefutable facts and documents that prove otherwise. 

I am not a paid agents and apologists of ir to post irrational support for
ir without any logical and authentic support. I have a real job and can’t spend
all my time here answering to rants of irrational ir reporters.

The opening of your statement saying that “I and my kind are not welcome
in Iran” is proof enough that you do not comprehend the basic concept
of democracy and human rights.

Unlike islamic agents and apologists i and majority of Iranians believe that
every Iranian has the right to live in Iran and for that matter anywhere in the
world without being subjected to discrimination, torture, stoning,
harassment... This is the right of every human being. Please do not go on and
on about suffering of people in other parts of the world as an excuse for the
terrible atrocities happening in Iran. 

You claim that ir is taking steps towards democracy and are still in first
grade of their social evolution. How long do you suggest or foresee this social
evolution to take, 30 years, 200 years, or for that matter 1400 years?? How
many more people have to suffer and die before this social evolution takes
place?

The time for outdated laws that discriminate, torture, and persecute
innocent people based on their gender, ethnicity or beliefs is over. Humanity
demands it and historical and social movements are moving in the direction of
human rights and liberties.  

Lets all work towards a day when all Iranians can live
in freedom, peace, and harmony.

دل خوش سيري چند؟

صاحب اين برج در كشوري كه ميليون ها زير خط فقر زندگي مي كنند كيه؟؟
و طبق معمول معلومه كه درآمدش به جيب چه كساني ميره

Let's hope

that it has some descent toilets so that we don't have to squat staring at cock roaches :)

BBC mentioned that the food in there is so expensive that many Iranians can not afford to eat there.

Does everyone have to get on

Does everyone have to get on their knees and praise ALLAH before they enter?

Jaleho and the rest of the apologists

Can you please be a little more creative and invent new ways of expressing your support for and admiration of the IRI. Your rantings are becoming monotonic and boring really.

Yet

Another soul less ugly building in a city full of ugly buildings.Curious how much this fiasco costed and who put up the money for it....

Dear Dariosh - black and white again?!

"You would be surprised to know that many countries in the world do not have political prisoners; they do not torture, stone, or cut off limbs of their citizens. They do not imprison people for having a blog such as the one we all use here and so on...".
No, I wouldn't be surprised. I however believe you might either be surprised or you are ignoring the fact that the British and the US governments you most likely consider as beacons of democracy, both stand accused of torture! They and many other beacons of democracy are also guilty of murder, persecution and abusing the human rights of millions of citizens of the world! Needless to say, (or there is need to say) I do not consider crimes elsewhere to justify crimes at home. But to say this is the predominant experience in Iran has nothing to do with concern for the people of Iran and for their human rights. Your assertions are simply untrue.

You say: "The reality is that if one is not a paid supporters of the regime then ones predominant experience is harassment, torture, imprisonment, stoning, hanging.....". I understand from this statement that either the majority of the population in Iran has been subjected to harassment, torture, imprisonment, stoning, hanging .., or the majority are paid supporters of the regime!! Does this seem logical to you??? moreover, even if the majority were "harassed", which is not the case, harassment belongs to a very different category to torture, imprisonment, stoning and hanging ...

This black and white thinking, wild exaggerations and unfounded outrageous accusations (as I have outlined above) do not help the people of Iran and do not address their suffering and problems because they do not correspond to the reality of their lives. There seems to be a resentment of any indication of happiness, joy and creativity, any achievement and reason for pride, because it challenges a black of white portrayal of our country as sheer hell.

Regards
Mehrnaz

Many

many projects in engineering, medical, etc... in U.S Canada, Australia , Germany , France are supervised and devised by Iranians, did any of you envious people mention that, I bet many of you who live in U.S , europe, Australia drive Japenese Toyota and/or Honda!!!!. Get the point?

Impressive

I have to admit, this is impressive.

Yes dariosh

And hopefully you and your like won't set foot in that horrible place. So we are all agree on that at least.

Easily I can prove you wrong. Many places don't have political prisoners? Really? amazing! You learn something new everyday.

Human Rights has become similar to UN, they are a political organization that go for the policies of the rich and wealthy. Not totally, but very consistent in that route.
Iran, good or bad, was not a democratic nation ever that I would begin to judge it from today. there are steps to take, not everyone was as intelligent as yourself to pass from the first grade to the University!
We are working ourselves to climb up the ladder and you either get it or are in a dream land for a foreigner to come and fix our problems. Those days are long gone my friend.
The West also has gone through horrible history to get where it is, and that's only a handful of countries and not the entire continent. That goes to show the level of knowledge that you hold, from the perspective of Human Rights in the world, fights for freedom and political prisoners around the globe, wars of powerful to dominate the weak that kills millions of people yearly, and the list goes on.
In this small space, I am willing to have a simple debate based on facts and numbers to prove almost all your points wrong. Will you take the challenge?

"Do you visit prisons when you go abroad?!

Dear Mehrnaz,

Countries that I travel to usually do not have Evin style prisons or political
prisoners. There are of course many countries such as Iran that do have them so
I try to avoid visiting them and supporting them. You would be surprised to
know that many countries in the world do not have political prisoners; they do
not torture, stone, or cut off limbs of their citizens.  They do not
imprison people for having a blog such as the one we all use here and so on....

You say oppression, torture, and harassment by pasdars may not be the
predominate experiences of all the Iranians but then why should even one
Iranian citizen be target of such atrocities regardless of their ethnicity, beliefs,
or opinions?

The reality is that if one is not a paid supporters of the regime then ones predominant
experience is harassment, torture, imprisonment, stoning, hanging.....

I do not denigrate other people’s experiences but find it disingenuous
to try to portray a positive picture of Iran while all evidence shows
otherwise. 

If Iran is such a great country as some try to portray here then how come we
have had the biggest mass exodus of our people in the history of our country?

Why all human right groups condemn Iranian government of being one of the
biggest violators of human rights in the world? 

Regards,

Dariosh

well, not completely by just iranians

i believe that an australian firm, arup, did some rather major consulting AND engineering work on the project.  it doesn't take anything away from iran to admit that it wasn't 100% an iranian effort.  why be so defensive?

ahmad..."Here is my take, if you don't live in Iran, don't help Iran and have nothing but opinion to offer, you have no invested interest in that country and therefore you pull your logic from your behind.
Living in Miami for many years..."

so....  how is YOUR ass feeling these days?

Big Deal!

Is this the result of 30 years of Islamic Republic?

Designed by Canadian Consulting Firms, Labored by Afghan refugees, and praised by run-away islamist hypocrites who cannot even tolerate living under the islamic republic that they preach day-in day-out yet only wish for poor iranians within who have no means to run away as rich islamists do. The only contribution of IRI is to charge rent and entrance fees and ship the revenue to their personal bank accounts and their arab masters and relatives in lebanon and felestin.

Make sure to look at above masterpiece together with other achievements of IRI such as:

//www.payvand.com/news/09/mar/1075.html

I visited Iran

I visited Iran last year. milad tower is amazing and iranians did the whole thing alone. i could not believe that. i think we are more relaxed in Egypt and have many tourists than Iran. i thought Iran was nice and clean. i also wanted to go to Shiraz but did not have enough money at the end of my trip. iran is a very cultur and beautiful country. some places in taharan are very similar to the united states. overall very nice and i like to visit again.

Everytime I look at it

  It reminds me of Arabs and not Iran. It is an ugly , unrelated eyesore in the middle of Tehran which looks like an upside down Mosque..

Dear Jaleho

You are correct. Just remember that these kind of thinking and crowd are leftovers from the Shah era. They are pretty much gone now. We have a huge, modern, and young population inside the country who are independent and not ass kissers.
Here is my take, if you don't live in Iran, don't help Iran and have nothing but opinion to offer, you have no invested interest in that country and therefore you pull your logic from your behind.
Living in Miami for many years I could easily say that many Iranians in the US are extremely similar to Cubans. They also want sanctions on their own people so they could one day return to their own life style and wealth, regardless how many suffer in between. They, like the Iranians, don't help their people and ultimately their country one bit, but actually hurt the situation.
Very Similar. Iranians = Cubans (in the US). Same thinking and logic.

These self disrespecting Iranians

are ironically those who would go and "angosht be dahan heyran" visit some western structures not half as impressive, and they wonder at their majesty!! They wonder about the Boston tunnel project which after decades and largest amount of money poured in any construction project, notoriously killed the passangers while parts of the tunnel fell on cars, and they poo poo Iran's impressive Resalat tunnel and make fun of Ahmadinejad for a prayer at the time of opening of the tunnel. 

Funny, these are the same group of Iranians who laugh at all of Iran's achievements under IRI, despite western sanctions, 8 years of imposed war and destruction,  and using almost half as much oil that Shah used, to establish a native military industry, missile technolgy and engineering marvels to nuclear technology, but they keep a ridiculous pride in their imagination of Iran of 3000 years ago. Go figure!

Dear Amazed traveller

Thanks for your comment and please ignore the non Iranians that claim to be Iranian. They want to be embarrassing on purpose. They are many of them in this site beside some of the real Iranians who have not been to Iran for more than 25 years.

Thanks again and happy travels.

P.S. Many of these people would be happy if Iran was dictatorial but had a western image. Their type is outdated inside the country as you probably have witnessed.

Dear Dariush - Do you visit prisons when you go abroad?!

Dear Dariush, when you go to other countries, do you visit their prisons and look for evidence of secret service bothering people?! Even in Iran, for Iranians, is Evin prison and persecution by the secret police and pasdars the only, or predominant experience? I don't think so. Please do not denigrate accounts from those who express other realities and experiences from their visits and encounters. Those do not deny the realities of suffering and wrongdoings but inform us of a less black and white portrayal of Iran and offer a much richer picture which resonate much more truly with people's every day experiences.

Hello Iraninan People

Hi,

I am glad that you had a good time in Iran. Iranian people are famous for their hospitality and generosity as islamic government is famous for its brutality and savagery. In your trip did you happen to visit the famous Evin prison or other prisons where they torture and kill innocent young people everyday or was this not part of your travel itinerary? If you also did not see any morality police then there is no wonder you did not see the "government bothering people"!
Oh how interesting that freedom and liberty is good for western people and not for your kind hospitable friends in Iran.
You can claim to belong to Iran if you defend the innocent people of Iran. If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

Regards,
Darioush

Phalic Symbol

The only invention and contribution islamic republic and islamists have offered Iranian people and humanity in general has been how to brutalize and torture innocent people in Iran and other islamic countries.
To their contributions we should add the ayatollah's extensive research in all issues related to sex. How interesting that the new symbol of islamic republic to be a phallic symbol.

;-)

Darioush

Welcome Amazed & Thanks Gul-Dust

All the negative western propeganda and publicity about Iran has unfortunately brainwashed even some of our impressionable iranians living abroad.

This is not an endorsement of the mullahs, but even the Islamic architecture from centuries ago exceed the sophistication of this tower. Therefore for some to think Iranian's in Iran are unable to walk and chew gum at the same time is simply naive.

Cheers!

Milad Tower

A truly ugly piece of Architecture. In trying to outdo other Persian Gulf states' tasteless designs, the Islamic Republic has come up with this nonsense. As for "Iranian Engineering" one should not forget that the former Soviet Union was much more advanced than many countries and was the first to put a man in space. And what happened to all those great engineers?

Hallo Iranian people

I am from Germany. I visited Iran during December until February and was amazed at the level of sophistication of the people. I never imagined that Iran is such an advance country and the people are so kind and open minded. I was fortunate to visit a very old friend and he took care of me. Plus I was shocked to see that there was more snow in Iran than my hometown.
I am counting the days to return. I learned a lot. It was a trip of a life time. When I tell my friends about it then I realize how much they do not know about life in Iran. Personally I did not see any interference from the government or any incidents that show the government bothering people. Of course from a prospect of Western European there is not as much freedom, but perhaps much more that we give the government credit for in the West.
Thanks again for your hospitality and I feel as though I belong to Iran and am part of that country.

Farshid, if you read this please send kisses to all family and cousins. Love you all.
Vielen Dank.
Bis bald :)

Double standard

"What's all this?... Nothing but show off for the regime!... Where are the homeless?... How many hungry kids could have been fed with the money we spent on this?...We don't need things like this!
All this money was spent just to show off to foreigners!..."

-Statements uttered by the Leftists and Islamists, after the opening of every spectacular project during the Pahlavi era

Finally they finished it!! Engr in charge is smart & experienced

Before you get all excited, let's put it all in perspective. First of all the Project Engineer had been in charge of many good size projects here in the past but this is the largest. He gave me tours in couple of occasions that I visited the site during the construction. The project was delayed only for Iran's bureacracy that didn't fund the project on schedule and infightings.

second, I am very disappointed in some of you guys who are acting so surprised that the Iranian engineers could achieve such thing!

There are many Iranian-American Structural, Civil and construction engineers here who are in charge of major projects such as bridges,  high rise buildings, trunnels, dams and so on! Many of our engineers are equal, if not better, than our American counter parts. In fact, the structural engineer, Reza, in charge of the investigation of the cause of the collapse of the twin towers (911) is an Iranian American (one of the best in the US). 

Finally, I don't appreciate the comment at the end of the video where it say, ",,,,, we are smart..." Are we really OGHDE-EE? You don't need to say that, let people see it for themselves. We don't need to have such large egos!

Please do not under estimate your own intelligenence! Iranians are just as smart as anyone else, if not more, sometimes less. However, our problem is lack of opportunity and resources which is mainly because of the unfortunate political situation in Iran now and during the Shah and centuries before! Let's change that, and we would be alright! Peace!

Not Impressive at all!

This is a "tower" in the same sense as telephone towers are. It is not a real building. It is a very narrow hideous structure smack in the middle of Tehran. I am not surirsied if some of the readers find it impressive. They have not seen much else, and besides their taste is that of IRI. If this is Iranian now how, then that means Iranians know how to buld an ugly piece of crap. I don't think so.

Iranian achievement my foot!!

Milad's design, engineering (civil, structural, electrical etc) was supervised by 3 Canadian companies; NCK Engineering of Toronto is the one that comes to mind immediately.

Although many Iranian engineers and workers can take credit for being involved in building the "borg", its neither a fully Iranian design or built, nor original.

At least the design of the Shahyad monument done by Hossein Amanat, a Baha'i' Iranian was and is original and majority of engineering work was also done by Iranians although not 100%. Mr. Amanat was 28 years old when he started the project.

I also agree that to call this structure "borge azadi" is like calling zendane' Evin Club Med Tehran.

Clarify please...

I saw this being built in early 2000, and if not mistaken, I believe the tower serves as a significant telcommunication hub that benefits the masses. I must sadly admit that at the time I recall being critical of it's high profile and obove ground location as I felt it was an obvious bombing target for the west.

Now maybe the tourist destination component added to the structure should also come as an expected and welcomed surprise.

this is of course beautiful

but how many poor indigent iranians get the use of this... generation of wealth for iran?

who benefited from and WILL benefit from it's construction?  technology is a great and powerful thing when it benefits the masses, not a select few.