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Listen to this:

Rafsanjani's full speech at that meeting:

//hashemirafsanjani.ir/media/File/h.mp3

Farrad,

I tweaked the ending of my post below yours a little to make it clearer to people in general that I basically agree with you. I think you understood me but in case you didn't get the ending, the tweaked version is there for anyone to see. And like I started by saying on my first post here (of three), I checked that post with a respected Green activist/intellectual (secularist, against Velayat) before posting it here, and he agrees with us. And it's not even just about Rafsanjani's sons right now, it's about Mousavi's possible  indictment, etc., etc.,, as you know.

So many Iranians seem to yearn for heroes and villians. It's Karbala, it's Ohrmazd and Ahriman. It's what brought on the Revolution and relinquishing this thirst is the only thing that can undo it.

Understanding Hashemi Rafsanjani's latest positions

If you go to Farsnews.com which is one of the main mouth pieces of the Coup faction you will see that almost 75% of their firsty page is filled with attacks against Hashemi's sons. I think Hashemi is trying to deflect immediate dangers for now. After all, if he is outside of the system he can't do anything at all!

His focus, I believe, is to stay in the system so he can remain relevant and consequential.

I know it's hip to trash talk Hashemi Rafsanjanii and speak about his family's exploits. But the fact is that Hashemi is close to 80 years old and money doesn't mean anything to HIM any more. I personally believe that Rafsanjani is now seriously concerned with the future of Islamic Republic and his positions are genuine!

So what should he do, scream 'Marg bar Dictatur'?

Mousavi's brother and son have been arrested, second-tier leaders are on trial, an indictment against him has been in the making. I said it in my post below on this thread very clearly: the ONLY thing that matters right now is to save asses. You can't have a movement without leaders and you can't have one without followers either. Rafsanjani's not crushing some idealistic young person's world with this speech. He is incapable of betraying anyone because his claim to fame is corruption. The very concept of being betrayed by Hashemi is ridiculous.  Someone has to do the job and he's the right man, the ONLY man,  for the job. This is the job:

//iranian.com/main/blog/david-et/iranians-day

With the new head of the JUDICIARY. It's a dirty job fors omeone who is willing to get his hands dirty. Hashemi's your man.  His hands are QUICK and he plays it as it lays. AND HE LAYS IT AS HE PLAYS. Saving asses. It's the only thing right now that matters.

FYI/Top Iran reform figures on trial (BBC)

The trial has begun in Iran of a number of senior opposition figures following June's disputed presidential election.

The defendants, who include former ministers in the 1997-2005 Khatami government, are accused of conspiring with foreign powers to organise unrest.

Two leading economists are also on trial, Saeed Leylaz and Kian Tajbaksh.

//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8219782.stm

Kambiz Se

Beautifully said!

I agree with you 100%.

Have they allowed his kids to leave?

Maybe he is doing this to get browny points from Khamenei because they were not allowing his children to travel outside.

Never trusted him in the first place.

Rafsanjani, you are nothing but a sell out! Truly, I am not suprise at all, it was just a matter of time!  He has too much at stake $$$$$$!

This is just a tactical retreat

Rafsanjani is too smart to be counted out and considered defeated! This is a totally calculated tactical retreat. he is saving his king for a later counter attack!

This regime's best days are behind it! Inevitably, there will be attampts to purify and eliminate (FROM BOTH SIDES)! And the people and the youth should be watching for opportunities to capitalize and benefit from this infighting!

Especially if you're Green, please read

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by rosie is roxy is roshan on Mon Aug 24, 2009 06:28 PM PDT

And lays it as he plays. What this movement needs right now is for its three main leaders (MKK) not to be indicted. It needs for less new arrests to take place, it means for kids spraypainting some wall green not to be tortured into making false confessions about being MKO. It needs individual, not mass trials, it needs the accused to be allowed to have lawyers. It needs the sentences to be minimized and the capital penalty to be aovided altogether. Websites, newspapers, law offices, will continue to be shut down and reopened, it needs the people involved to be subject to the most lenient conditions as possible as I mentioned above.

You are right. No one will ever trust Khamenei or the Velayat or the Basij or the Guards or Mahmood again of these Greens and their supporters. Better a living non-truster than a dead one. ESPECIALLY NOW. What earthly good would one more death do?  The important thing to do right now is to save people's asses. And who better to take on the job of public bullshitting requred to do it than Rafsanjani?

Hashemi NEVER WAS a moral pillar of the Movement, he never was its ideologue, or philospher, or cheerleader. He was ALWAYS its behind the scenes pragmatic support. So no one feels betrayed by Rafsanjan'is "betrayal" as they would if it were one of the leaders or a Montazeri or an Ebadi and so forth. Is he 'hurting anyone's feelings'? Taking away some young person's 'role model'? What role model?

So he calls for reconciliation and to obey the leader while Karroubi goes around saying indict the illegitimate bastards. The proof of the pudding of whether Rafsanjani 'betrayed' the movement will be whether the Karroubis of the world get to keep on saying these things or whether you see their heads being paraded around on a stick.

Give him time and see where it goes. He wheeled and dealed in private during the whole time of the major turmoil. His biggest public actions were NON-presence, not presence. He hasn't said all that much in substance so different from his Friday prayer sermon last month, one of the few times he said anything. Rafsanjani always knew in the short run this movement would fail. But he also knew that in the long run there's no turning back. He lost to Mahmood on grounds of corruption. He backed the Greens sleazily from the shadows. Now he comes out in public looking corrupt to...do what?

Until we see how many asses are spared (or what he does if they're NOT), for me the jury is still out on Hashemi.

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//iranian.com/main/news/2009/08/23/iranians-must-heed-leaders-guidelines-rafsanjani

Rafsanjani is the devil! tries to save his tale & regime! Mafia!

if regime changes, he would be executed. Never believe a word coming out of his mouth. Same gang!

مجمع تهش خیس مصلحت دزدان و جنایتکاران!

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same ole same ole

when push comes to shove allll these "old guards" support the I.R.I. and it's Supreme Dictator----nothing suprising here.

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Dard Nak!

Dard-naak! vali in vaghayat zendegi kha-haran va bara-daran dar band mast. 
 
Tanha komak ma, agahi bishtar, va dori az khod-pasandi va be tafavoti ast.
 
Afsoos ke soroud Ey Iran khandan, charayeh dard Iran nist!
 
Jahelan zar-o-zoor, 30 sal-ast ke dast Mullayan  ra mi-fesharand ta Eishan ra beh chapavol jaan-o-mal-o-namoos Irani resandeh va khod az ghebal in doozdi-ha va tahajor, beh mal-o-makani beresand.
 
Va in ast natijeh sal-ha Business movafaghyat-amiz va ghaltidan ba Rohanian Chagh-o-cheleh
 
Hayf az in hameh bimari!   
 
 

we need another REZA SHAH....

we need a strong leader with guts that knows how to clean up and exterminate the akhoonds once and for all!

they should not be given a chance to come back and ruin iran once again in the future.

we need a gutsy leader who will form a cabinet outside of iran in exile, and exclaim that he/she is there to liberate iran....and that the mullahs are thieving murderers who form an illegitimate govt and must be removed so that people can decide their own destiny in a free national election 

Former Chancellor Of Tehran University,Mohammad Maleki,Arrested

Former Chancellor Of Tehran University, Mohammad Maleki, Arrested

//www.payvand.com/news/09/aug/1213.html

Business as usual

we all knew that he would not back the people.  He knows if this regime falls (and it will). he will be among the first to be tried.  They are all the same and we should not for a minute think that Islam is here to save us.  In the hopes that sooner than later the US/Israeli forces will finish this regime with strategic military attacks.

We are enemy

What did you expect ? that Rafsanjani and other like him come and help our people, iranian people, why should they ? they hate iranian people , iranian history , iranian culture,..... They see us as enemy, they treat us worse than enemy, ... As many of them has said before, it is their rights to do what ever they want with the people whom they conquered as they did 1400 years ago. The only person that can help us is you and me, not somebody who worship an arab who killed, tortured  my ancestor because they didn't accept their religion something they still do. My religion is my country and I don't worship anybody and if I choose to do that I worship Cyrus The Great who all the world do it for his humanity.

Payande Iran

Yet another lesson

I am not sure when ignorant folks will finally comprehend what moslem clerics are all about.

Not surprising at all!

اصلا جای تعجب ندارد چون اخوندها ایرانی نیستند بلکه یک مشت تازی زاده, ترک زاده هستند که به تنها چیزی که فکر می کنند حکومت کردن و چپاول ثروت مردم ایران میباشد. علف هرز را باید از ریشه کند و سوزانید

Just terrible, What happens to the opposition movement now?

I hope those who advocate Mousavi, Rafsanjani, Karrubi and other similar vultures as the new leaders of the opposition would just shut up now.

These beasts do not have the interests of the Iranian people at heart. All they want to do is prolong the life of a brutal and savage regime of which they have been an integral and crucial part.

Down with the entire Islamic Republic!

Well, I haven't seen himself stating that (yet).

But still, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he indeed has taken this position. Just watch this self explanatory clip:

Prince of Foxes Say's "Business As Usual" ...

Not Surprised at all ...

The Fox Remains a Fox

Akhound Akhoundeh Deegeh ...