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gitdoun ver.2.0 why are you so hizb'Allahi?

Your point of view on Iranian female liberation is no different from Ayat'Allah Seyed Ali Khamenei. Why are you so Hizb'Allahi?
Watch the following clip with a freedom loving Iranian woman:
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persia pele is the best, the

persia pele is the best, the most beautiful persian girl going.

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Ex programmer

my previous post was deleted. LOL i guess i went on a tangent and made a totally unrelated comment. Anyways.

Sexism is such a loaded word in this case. That women would object to such a language, frankly is their problem and all i can say is that it is just too bad and so sad:) Certain realities must be faced, without the fear of alienating a particular gender.

It SHOULD NOT be ok to call guys bastards:) and we should care less as to how a woman react to being called the B word. It is time we woke up and got real. I mean there has to be some justice:) I personally do not give a hoot for being or getting in trouble with women. Kaveh has already got that area cornered and he is a lucky man and he has made it to the finish line, so he should not be worried either. Right?:)

How can we make our points in other ways??:)

KouroshS

Of course, I am not suggesting that anyone should approve of other people's behavior. I don't approve of self-destructive lifestyle choices myself! And if it's somebody I know fairly well, I would try to encourage them to do things differently, if I could. However, I personally don't feel a need to express my disapproval of what other people choose to do with their lives. Not everyone is that way, though, and I can understand that too. I've got a few friends who don't hesitate to speak their minds about just about everything, including things I do that they don't like. I think it takes all sorts to make a healthy society, and I'm not objecting to you guys speaking up about this without trying to sugarcoat it.

However... in this particular case, I think Anonymouse does have a point about the sexism. Women tend to be sensitive about female sexuality, and are likely to object to some of the language being used here whether they approve of what this girl is doing or not. You guys should know that it is OK to call a guy a bastard, but try calling a woman a bitch and see what happens? You know I'm right about that. No need to get yourselves into trouble with the ladies when you can make your points in other ways, right? :) 

Ex-programmer

Look... we have got to call it as we see it. With very rare and some minor exceptions... A person who is an alcoholic is likely to be a drunk as well. a homeless person, unless of course he has been the victim of some legitimate circumstances, Mostly of the economic and financial kind, which are totally out of their control and there ain't nothing that they can do to mitigate the situation anytime soon, as we can see on a daily basis on our street corners ( i know I do, in a major city that i live in), are basically wandering around, even though they are very well capable of assuming certain job responsibilities. and if someone like kaveh chooses to go off on them , it does not mean that he is on the attack. It is the truth. And i am sorry if someone is so deeply into doing drugs that would qualify them as an addict, then he or she would also qualify as a junkie as well.

Why is it so hard to admit that despite the abundance of freedom in this country, and the fact that one's choices in life should be respected there are still some wrong choices that are made by adults, the consequences of which will eventually be a burden on us as a collective society?

Anonymouse

Where am I laughing? You seem to think I am, but. really, there's nothing funny to me about this.

First of all, the word "nigger" is a derogatory epithet used by some people to describe a black person. The skin color of an individual is not a matter of choice. A "bad man" is just that. Regardless of race.

The way that individual leads his or her life, the system of values by which they live.....that is a choice.

What this girl has done. what she has become, what will remain on the internet for anyone to see in the future, is the result of her choices. I've never denied her the right to choose what she does.

The fact that I described her vagina as a "7-11" is because as a female, she happens to have one, which in addition to serving its natural and intended purpose, also happens to be her primary source of income. Now am I laughing about that, or am I pointing out a fact based upon the choice she made?

Please, stop going on about these celebrities and athletes. They are some of the biggest offenders! Do you know the reason why they have these charities in the first place?

Two words: TAX SHELTER.

The reason why there are fewer programs for girls is because statistically speaking, they're less likely to drop out and get into legal problems. It happens but not as often as it does with boys. Girls mature faster.

Lastly, if everything is sacred as you say it is, then it's strange that you would not be taking a similar position regarding Zeba. I'm not saying take the same position, but a similar one.

Well

I said it before and I'll say it again, this discussion would happen in much the same way on any website in the US if the subject of porn was brought up. We all have our own opinions of it and we all have our own way of expressing those opinions.

As far as language... KV, I don't agree that you are just being honest in the way you describe this girl. You are using the worst possible terms to describe her and you are making assumptions about her that you can't possibly verify. It's a little like chossing to call somebody who uses drugs a junkie rather than an addict, or calling an alcoholic a drunk, calling a homeless person a bum... and so on. You aren't just registering your disapproval and stating facts. You are going on the attack. And there's nothing wrong with THAT either, if you feel so strongly about it.

In the interests of accuracy I just wanted to point out you aren't being neutral dispenser of truth on this one :)

Kaveh you're asking

Kaveh you're asking me what is there to LOL about?  You're LOLing, not me.

Why your "descriptive" terms bothers me? Should I really answer it?  Would it bother me if you call a "bad man" a nigger?  This is the same.  You're not even trying to make this a discussion about right or wrong choices.  For you it is all about various descriptions of vagina monologues.  Being blunt has nothing to do with it and is just self-promotion.

You know when when some rich athletes or celebrities who come from poor background, go back to their roots and make charities to help inner-city kids.  Help them with free football or basketball camps in order to keep kids away from drugs, gangs or prostitution.  BTW there are less for girls, because they don't play football or basketball.

Now those same kids can end up either way.  Charities are there to give them an opportunity to keep them away and a better life.  Not everyone has that opportunity and not everyone makes those choices knowingly.

Nothing I say seem to make a difference in you.  So carry on.

Everything is sacred.

Amirkabear

Does it look like I'm stopping her from doing what she's doing? Why would I? Why should I?

I'm not telling her or anyone else that she has no right to do this. And if this is something that you or anyone else enjoys watching, who am I and why would I stop you from enjoying your leisure time this way?

But since you say you have such a clear understanding of the concept of freedom, you should also remember that so long as she has the freedom to do what she does on camera, I have the freedom to express my opinion about the choice she has made.

I'm not stopping her, or otherwise getting in her way. Nor would I think of it. But it works both ways.

Anonymouse

It's not a need. It's a choice.

Just as you ask if I have some hidden motive, I'm wondering why is it that the descriptive terms that I have used seem to bother you so much? Is it because they are so blunt? Do you really think I find anything about this girl worth laughing about? To be honest, I find it sad that with all of the opportunities there are in this society, with all of the choices out there, this is the choice she made.

Please tell me what is there to LOL about.

I'm just not one of these people who will just politely (yet with extreme discomfort) smile and turn my head as if everything is hunky-dory. I may be the only one or one af a few to actually say it, but there are others who think it, and possibly in much harsher and in much more graphic terms.

Kaveh I went back and

Kaveh I went back and am copying and pasting your sexist lingos that you've used in just a few comments in this thread alone.  I don't feel like going back to the dead girl's page and copy and paste your more colorful lingos. 

This is what I mean by getting off.  It seems you get off by using these sexist remarks.  Now who else do you know who uses such language? At least here in i.com anyway.  And then you go on and LOLing over these women, dead or alive. 

I don't understand the need to define these women unless you have another motive, which I don't know what it may be. Why bother with these women if you don't watch them or know who they already are. 

- total whore
- a girl whose vagina is like a 7-11
- open all night
- walking STD factory
- a whore with zero self-esteem
- the amount of time she spends on her back or on her knees or on all fours? 

Everything is sacred.

Anonymouse

I don't know why you would think I would get off in calling a girl like Zeba or Sahel Kazemi what she is.

Nor do I watch. Watching porn simply isn't something I enjoy. I'm the furthest thing from a prude you could ever meet (sexually speaking), but looking at naked women on a video? At the risk of being crude, I get off (to use your term) being the one who gets her naked.

But for my eyes only. :-)

American dream

Soldier of Love? LOL  Gosh...

Do you want to see a bunch of drug addicts on your street, telling you that hey we are just Revolting against the restrictions in iranian culture? You know how it is back home...

Amirkabear4

It is not about not having the right to do so, it is about the limits and the boundaries. KN as Cap ayhab mentioned may have come acrossed as being insulting, but he is making a good point. i

f such trend continues and her daughter and granddaughters and heck even her grandsons in the future get dragged into this mess, whom do you think will be blamed? how do you think our society will be judged morally? Who do you think will be filling up the battered women's home shelters and who will end up on the street corner begging for money or food?

fanatics are the ones who like the IRI officials in iran set up harsh punishments for conducting such acts. It is not fanaticism when one suggests embracing better way of earning a living.

Zeba is a soldier of love

Zeba is not a prostitute. 

She is a soldier of love.

She is revolting against the restrictions in Iranian culture.

We should all be happy with her freedom of expression.

What she does is sacred.

I am lost again

Mr. Ms. Anonymouse, why is it called passing judgment when one calls a [prostitute] a prostitute? Isn't that her/his profession?

Would it also be judgmental to call a physician a [Doctor]?

Regretfully you are the one who has cast the most judgmental view on these gentlemen by calling them pathetic. You might differ on the idea of labeling a pron stars as an [Artist] and equating them to true artists. But are the really artists, at the same level, or even slightly close to real movie and  theater artists?Is a porn star whose only talent is a large [ male member] at the same level as for instance Mr. Harrison Ford?

My humble opinion is that by no means one should degrade honorable women and men of movies and theater industry by placing them in the same level as a porn star.

Besides dear sir/madam, their debate been on this particular woman and porn industry as a whole and not women in general. Porn industry thrives on exploitation of women and children as sex slaves, and women/men who take that profession are enabling their own exploitations themselves.

-YT 

Grow up KN

You have to argue with everyone and anyone, just if you are being paid to do so. Lets put it this way if you allow yourself to insult other people in the name of freedom (referring to your blogs in the past) then she has every right to show her pussy and ass to the camera. It is none of your bloody business. Maybe her daughter wants to do it too. Do you want to live in a world fanatics get their way everytime? Mankind is born free and should be free. 

As I said you have a common factor with those fanatics, they also like to show themselves as morality teachers like you do. You been living in the west for gods know so long and still have not learned about the meaning of freedom. Just as long as you express yourself.

Democracy is earned not given, why don't you try to convince her to stop?

Ananymouse

In case you have forgotten, One has the right to watch anything one wants to, and form opinions on that particular topic. Be it lame or not. This is the essence of freedom in this country and many other places around the world. Has it occurred to you that it probably should have been that Rap artist!!! who needed to keep the mouth shut and not make such degrading and stupid comment? Who do you think is to blame here? Him or Someone who is just an innocent viewer?

Also, the way you have used the word "pathetic" creates some confusion here. You called these gentlemen Pathetic, but then are asking them to leave certain judgments "to those who are pathetic"!!!

Does the use of this word means something to you, or do you just get a kick out of throwing it around, like a kid who learnes a new word?

You guys are both

You guys are both pathetic.  You are all dirty old men who get off of calling women 7-11, spreading legs, porn awards and all the other stuff that you don't approve of but you watch and gladly "ridicule" with your lame, yet most sexist comments and "analyses"!

You find yourself qualified to pass judgement on porn stars and dead people like McNair's mistress.  And there will be another day and another woman in sex industry or being a mistress or something to that effect here on i.com whom you'll jump on again. 

Many of famous actors and actresses would've ended up being "porn stars" if they had not caught a break or were not lucky enough.

I suggest you leave passing judgements on porn starts or women in general to those who are pathetic and worry about your own attitude and sexist lingos. 

Everything is sacred.

Mr.'s Kaveh, American Dreamer

Kaveh

I am not only bearing witness to it, I am astonished by his/her ignorance as well. 

American Dreamer,

I mind you that I am not taking side with Mr. Nouraee here, but I can tell you one thing about him. You could not more wrong about this person and his convictions.

I know how sometimes he comes across a bit aggressive, but trust me, I have debated enough with him to hold great deal respect for him, even though we are in totally opposite spectrum when it comes to politics and our ideologies.

Regards

-YT 

Captain

You are bearing witness to what this person is truly all about. Under this screen name and every other one he has used, he pollutes a thread with nonsense that is so beyond irrelevant with respect to the subject matter.

Honestly, you won't extract a relevant statement from "AD", but if you're looking for rhetoric and cliches, that's the person you can rely on like a Swiss watch.

American Dreamer

You stated[ In Iran, prior to the Iranian Revolution, prostitution was legal in
"Shah're No".  Yet, you make no mention of that.  And you don't even
refer to that real form of prostitution.]

What does this statement have to do with the path Zeba[or what ever her name is] has chosen in life? I am rather lost, could explain the relevance please?

-YT 

Confused? That's YOU in a (polite) nutshell.

Where do you see that I am discussing the Iranian Revolution? What on Earth does this girl's career choice have to do with politics?

Do not put words in my mouth, do not presume to know what I am thinking.

Prostitution is prostitution. If you actually took the time to read anythng that has been written rather than manufacturing statements that you falsely attibute to me, you would know that.

If you like adult entertainment, then go right on ahead and enjoy it. I certainly will not stop you. So go and have fun.

You AND your right hand.

fact

Few months ago I caught the [c@ck sucking award] presentation in Las Vegas in HBO, in which they were presenting BEST categories for anal, oral, 3 some, 4 some etc etc awards.

In that ceremony famous rapper/PIMP Ice T made a comment that pretty much describes the situation of this Zeba jun. He said and I am paraphrasing, [these WHORES have brought their family members to witness them receiving award for the largest c@ck they can swallow.]

If these people are considered actresses, what are real ones like Charlize Theron[the most beautiful woman ever lived ;-) ], Holly Hunter Ann Bancroft and the rest? This crap that she does has nothing to do with any religion nor with freedom of choice. She is a porn star wanna be which more than likely is going to lead to hard drug addiction, followed by full time prostitution.

It is degrading and shameful and entire industry operates on exploitation of women and children.

-YT 

Kaveh Nouraee, again you are wrong. amirkabear4u is Right!

Kaveh, you are very confused.  You say there was more progress before the Iranian Revolution.  Yet, prior to the Iranian Revolution, The Shah's twin sister, Ashraf Pahlavi ran the red light district in Iran called, "Shah're No".  This is a fact you can not escape.  The Iranian guy who installed my satellite dish and lived in Iran during the time is an eye witness to that fact.  He used to go to "Shah're No" all the time.  He said Princess Ashraf made sure all the women there were clean of all diseases and were given a box of mints so their breath smelled good for their customers.

Zeba is an actress.  She is making movies.  You are attacking her for prostitution.  Yet, the law of the land calls her an adult entertainer or actress.

In Iran, prior to the Iranian Revolution, prostitution was legal in "Shah're No".  Yet, you make no mention of that.  And you don't even refer to that real form of prostitution.

You should seriously think about going back to Iran.  If you have a problem with the freedoms of adult entertainment then the theocracy in Iran is the place for you.  In Iran that stuff is banned.

You, Ayat'Allah Seyed Ali Khamenei and Iranian President Ahmadinejad are the father son and holy ghost of the belief that adult entertainment is wrong and is not freedom.

amirkabear

You have clearly shown that it's in fact you who doesn'tt grasp the concept of freedom. You've also shown that your personal agenda influences your thoughts about others, as this has absolutely nothing to do with Islam. For you to even mention that is laughable. I couldn't care less about any religion.

Yes, this girl has the freedom of choice. She chose to engage in this as a means of generating income. It is YOU who does not understand that what comes with freedom to perform sexual act on camera comes responsibility and accountability for the choice to do so.

Her performances on the internet are likely to be there indefinitely. If she has family members who are unaware of her activities, for example, they may be placed in an uncomfortable position that they didn't ask to be placed in. This may happen in either professional or social situations. And unless her family encouraged her to become involved in adult entertainment, it can create problems for members of her family. If she were to have children, have you given even a moment's thought as to how they could possibly be impacted? It truly is a small world. Do you understand that?

I don't wish to take her freedom of choice away. But the freedom for her to be a whore means that I have the freedom to call her a whore. Let her do anything and anyone she wants. But when she becomes yet another social statistic as a result of the choices she made, don't expect any sympathy or empathy.

And as far as Zeba doing "more good" (who taught you how to speak English?) than me, is that measured by the amount of time she spends on her back or on her knees or on all fours?

I think you need to go back and read about the concept of freedom. Maybe then you will realize that freedom, like everything else, has limits and boundaries.

to Kaveh N

You continously brag about freedom. I do not know where you are brought up or what back ground you have. You do NOT understand the simple concept of freedom and democracy resulting in having choices, choices to do what one wants to do. Therefore I can make this conclusion you are mainly here in this site to fight against islam. As I said in my past blogs you have one common factor with IRI. That is being extremist. Funny this in different way is mentioned on this blog;

Your opinions of Zeba are no different from that of the Iranian theocracy.

You just fire your gun against anyone who thinks differently from you, without even knowing the writer, and then brag about having choices. Fighting for justice, etc, etc.

More likely Zeba is doing more good than you in the society.

che kabar e

Me, conservative!? I could tell stories that would make this girl in the video blush! Well, maybe not her... but most people!

It's so embarrassing being called "conservative" by people from the ME! Just yesterday an Arab woman told me I'm "afraid to get out of my comfort zone"... I was like "WTF!? Do you know who you are talking to!?"

I guess maybe my problem is that I've been burned by my own shortcomings and everyone else's so many times in the past that I've had the "risk taker" part of my personality annihilated. That probably happens to most people at a certain age, no?

PC

Your idea of the perfect marriage sounds so B O R I N G... :-)))  You got to spice it up a little my man!  Barbie and Ken are no longer the perfect couple...lol.

You and Kourosh seem to have similiar views on relationships... both of you seem pretty conservative.  Now I'm not saying little miss porn here is going to be happy with the minister from the United Methodist but I definitely don't think successful marriages (relationships) need to follow a cookie cutter pattern.  Of course if you're making a distinction between "compatible" and "similiar", then I would agree.  Yes, special attention should be paid to opposite backgrounds.  Attention and consideration.  Awareness and compromise.  But don't fear the unknown... embrace it. 

You might be pleasantly surprised.  :-)

Something else I liked...:You have got to wonder about why's and how's in one's past in order to be able to know that person better, and the choices they made..."   I actually think that is far more important than even you meant.  Well said.

Kaveh.  Once again you're coming across a little harsh but pretty much saying what everyone else is thinking.  Oh, we'd like to take the high road and say it doesn't matter what she's doing as long as she isn't hurting anyone else.  But to ourselves we're saying the same thing.  You're NOT taking her home for Sunday dinner.  :-)

KouroshS

Thanks for the reply... I agree with you for the most part. I'll use your most recent comment to illustrate where I don't:

...but i still maintain that some special care be taken when dealing with such individuals, specially if one comes from the total opposite background.

I would humbly submit that people of "opposite background" should not marry! And I'm not just talking about porn/prostitution/promiscuity.

For example, let's say a conservative "good" girl marries a guy who has a troubled past. Maybe he's been involved in some shady business deals that went bad, and people got hurt. And he took off with the money. Maybe he's also been into drugs and gambling, and was a frequent customer at brothels or whatever... you get the picture. But now, he has all the external trappings this girl is looking for. He's wealthy. He's well educated. He's articulate. He says all the right things and does all the right things. So she marries him.

Is she going to be happy? I doubt it. I think she is going to be miserable. The man does not live up to her standards as far as his  quality of  character. He also is likely to be a self-centered SOB who doesn't really care much about her, except as she relates to his own happiness. And he probably wouldn't make a very good father. I think she's bound to be bitter, and will only become more bitter as the years go by if she chooses to stay with him. And furthermore, she won't even be able to help him change his ways, because she doesn't understand what motivates him to do the things he does.

So, why would she want a guy like that? More importantly, why would that guy want a wife like her? Just to legitimize himself? Is that a reason to get married?

I know maybe a half dozen couples that are what I would consider happily married. One of them is very religious (Christian) and very conservative. Two of them are the case where both the husband and wife had screwed up pretty badly when they were young but after they met they helped eachother back on the right track. And the others are somewhere in between. So I'd say the most important thing is for people to find partners taht vare genuinely compatibile with themselves. Not to find partners who meet some idealized version of what a husband or wife should be.