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Dear Gitdoun ver.2.0 this reasoning was good before elections

Dear Gitdoun ver.2.0,

You have made tremendous points with regards to the True pious believers of this nonsensical regime. However, your arguments and reasoning is no longer valid even amoung most of these ardent followers.

The Socio might not matter to them, but the economics part is a very dark reality for most of the people in Iran and that includes a great number of Bassijis and the IRGC Rank and File. I am not talking about the top commanders and the higher echelon of this murderous Regime, but the ordinary members of their groups.

The economics problem goes deep to the roots of their mismanagement and their total disregard for basic economic principles. Even the so called Wealthy people of the country are having sleepless nights, and that is due to the 35% Budget short fall of the regime, they are being taxed to the hilt out of their financial reserves.

If the people don't have bread on their table, eventually they will turn on and punish the ones who are stealing from them on a daily basis.

Therefore, Rest assured from someone who was there a month ago, this regime's days are numbered unless they make drastic measures which they are not capable of doing so.

Salutations to ALL TRUE Sons and Daughters of Iran.

Mehdi2009

Mehdi2009 has valid reasons!

Let be hopeful that clock is ticking for this murderous regime.

Payandeh IRAN & IRANIANS 

They're fighting for something. Pick & choose ur issue within it

Everything is sacred.

Socio-economics a factor but

i agree socio-economics is definitely at play here. But i also feel there is a slice in the population that truely feel that wilayat faqhi is as central and as sacred to Islam as the Kaa'ba itself. This isn't exaggeration but a fact. Go to a Jummah Prayers or Dua Komayl and they start sending salavats on khamenei as if he was ahlul-bayt. In muharraam when rozeh for 1,400 yrs was exclusive for ayme tahireen you see people weaving khamenei's name into the prayers. Now multiply this by 20 yrs and u have a cult following of khamenei that truly feel he is divine person or that the office of wilayat faqhi is an important pillar of their faith.  That's why you will hear, from this portion of society , that "Islam is under Attack" when in reality you see an ordinary iranian citizen holding a sign that simply reads "No to Khamenei" or they will cry out " Newspapers are committing Sacrilege!!!" when in actuality it is simply criticism . These people don't care about khamenei being a simple akhund back in 1989 or that he used to smoke hashish or that khomeini never picked him to be his successor. None of it matters to them. He is wilayat faqhi and is answerable to god alone. As far as they are concerned he is the Messiah's Representative and is Divinely Guided. Yes there are socio-economics in works here but we can't turn a blind eye to the core supporters of khamenei.  Speeches for Democracy and peaceful protests we are witnessing; to this portion of the populace is an assault to their religion. They will fight calls for democracy not out of socio-economic reasons but with the intention to preserve "God's Government"

Mr. Abarmand everyone is getting Poorer and hate this regime

Mr. Abarmand,

You just talk like somebody who has not been to Iran recently, as your comments are way out of base. As I mentioned in my previous posts I was in Iran last month and during the so called elections 5 months ago to visit my ailing parents.

I know that I will be repeating myself again so that you know the realities on the ground. On my last trip I chartered a Taxi for 2 days and travelled from Rah Ahan in South Tehran to Tajrish in the North, and from Narmak in the East Tehran to Amirabad in the west of the city. I seeked out former friends and guys whom I used to play football with who have been working in high and low positions for the Murderous regime in the past 30 years, and spoke with many ordinary people about their lives and current situation. I can with complete confidence tell you that 9 out of 10 of them openly HATE this REGIME with great passion to my great surprise did not hide their disgust of these thugs. Yes even those poor people of the South Tehran HATE this regime with CAPITAL H.

Mr. Abarmand the reason are as follows which I pointed out in my previous post and I quote:

The main problem with the murderous regime is that they have close to 35% budget short fall by their own admission, and their genius president and his cronies come up with this brilliant idea of cutting all of the subsidies that the government provides for the people. This in turn will cause the already massive Inflation to triple if not quadruple, and also the already huge unemployment to hit gigantic numbers and you are wondering why these protests will not go away. The apologists of the murderous regime will still point out to the massive 10% backing that they enjoy. Well, Well, Well, when the regime runs out of CASH which is happening FAST and CRAP HIT THE FAN, those same pious believers which you have mentioned in your post are going to shout Dead to dictator (i.e. Khameneie, AhmadiNejad, et al).

That is why the regime is at a cross roads; they are both morally and economically bankrupt and there is no way out.  They are trying to buy time with their BS Nuclear stand off, and making nonsensical statements like we will build 10 extra enrichment facilities (This is for ears of that remaining 10% who probably believe in Unicorn or flying camels as well), while they can't repair either the roads and the country's lousy infrastructure.

If you have a chance travel to Iran, and you will find out for yourself that all of my statements are True eyewitness account.

Salutations to All TRUE Sons and Daugthers of Iran

Mehdi2009

I agree with Anonymouse

And yet this 20:30 program is the worst in the whole garbage called IRIB, but I am surprised that they actually let the slogans to be heard,

استقلال آزادی جمهوری ایرانی

and others. We are talking about the only source of media in some parts of Iran. 

And honestly, I feel the same way about this website and its members. I see this website as a family gathering of some shah-doosts rather than being the homepage for every Iranian in diaspora. Not that I am against you guys, but it make the website not interesting. Lets have tolerance to hear every hamvatan.

درود بر همه ایرانیان

سبز سبز تا بهار 

Abarmard & Mehraban jaans, they're all poor! Human rights #1!

Abarmard jaan the people being beaten up by basijis are poor too, some are ex-basijis.  The better off class of the society do not come to the streets, neither now nor in 1979.

Here's a good article I keep going back to:

//iranian.com/main/2009/jul/who-are-they

So I'd say at this stage it is more of a human rights issue, like personal freedoms like not stealing their votes or other rights, lying, beatings and the rest of the stuff.  People do not like the Ahmadi side of the Govt and what he represent and they are getting more and more by the numbers by the day.

Ahmadi is shrinking and shrinking more by the day.  Shrinkage! 

Everything is sacred.

Abarmard

Your point is well taken,  this is why the movement needs to move from being a purely human rights platform to spelling out economic strategies or at the minimum economic concerns.  It is too limited in its scope at the moment to gain widespread support and be a serious political movement.  It needs to tackel "hard" issues (as opposed to soft) as well.   It will probably get there.  I think maybe we should be talking about these issues as well, as opposed to only applauding a purely HR campaign.  

Clash of classes

It's not brain washed but what works for you. Those who agree with the system are not brain washed, they are mostly from different social classes that do not see eye to eye with higher classes. I can go further and say, the poor and religious in Iran "Hate" the better off part of the Iranian society.

Those basijis who beat the anti government demonstrators are emptying their anger on a portion of society that seem too distant from them, in every possible way. They think the country belongs to them, as others think the same. If they thought that there is room for both to have the country, then there would be channels that lead us to democracy. This is the job for the system to figure, and they have not been able to manage their citizens to have proper reps in order to keep the country calm.
No one is brain washed but they only see what works for them. To many poor or under privileged, the government assistance has been the force to keep them alive and they will not give that up for "democracy". Hunger vs democracy, which one would you choose?

A Polarized society

For the past few days I've been watching the video clips from the bravery of our students. This is the 1st time that I've seen a clip from the other side of the fence. The report is ridiculously biased but it shows a polarized society. I saw the same level of passion and commitment in the people who were pro-regime. I agree with the last comment. There are numerous people inside Iran who have been brainwashed for so long and truly believe in this regime.

We can ridicule them, throw money at them etc. But money does not buy commitment and passion. We can't ignore this fact and just concentrate on what is happening on our side of the fence.

Hamid Dabashi: "Iranians don't want to overthrow the regime"

Tu Parles ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJw7bGr6qvA

LOL

clock is ticking but

i agree the clock is ticking and the regime will end but i feel the country is incredibly polarized; the regime and it's supporters will not give up without a fight. These people who support wilayat faqhi truly believe to their bone marrow that khamenei is God's Messiah or the Messiah's representative. These brainwashed fanatics won't simply roll over and let a democractic government be established. I feel in the end when it's all said and done this democratic revolution will be incredibly bloody

Clock ticking...

The clock is ticking and the count down has already started for this Arab Islamo Fascist regime to go down the toilet of the history...flush...flush...