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Intelligent?

Is this a new defintion for passive cooperation? Some may say active too :)

FR

No one happy in iraq

No one happy in iraq for what happen in thise camp and it is nothing only new thing the puppy of the mulla al maliki did to make his master najad happy ..and all the word abaut thise ppl  from khalq is terrorist is just pull shit ..and all those ppl in the show is nothing only bader regement and they are like hat we call tham in iraq the mulla dogs .

LalehGilani / Farah Rusta

Lalehgilani, wrong again.   Using the brain is not turning the other chick.

Farah Rusta, I hope unlike laleh you are right and Mrs. Ebadi be safe.  She is very intelligent. Isn't she?

Ebadi is safe in Iran

Don't worry Dariush. Shirin Ebadi knows where the red lines are and she has never crossed them. This is why she is giving the regime a false image of tolerance - something she knows full well.

FR

MKO’s Curse

Dariush wrote: “That is what I meant by headscarf. with headscarf comes the Islamic ideology that you don't have. Now, that is what happened to MEK even though they had some Islamic ideology, imagine what will happen to those who don't even have that and take the same path as MEK did.”

You see MKO’s Islamic ideology as a positive condition that gives them a moral edge over individuals such as me. That’s where your mistake lies:

MKO has reached at this juncture precisely because of their Islamic ideology. Much like a Communist organization, Islamic groups such as MKO are incapable of tolerating opposition because of their ideology.

MKO’s ideology has been their political curse…

The Result of Turning the Other Cheek

Dariush wrote: “…your anti Islamic views are a lot more dangerous, since there are many Muslims who may oppose your system and no matter how democratic you pain it today, tomorrow the new oppositions will end up in jails and face possible tortures and executions just under a different pretext.”

Pleases define what you consider “anti Islamic views.”

I don’t oppose Islam as a religion or a system of beliefs that requires its followers to practice certain rituals and traditions. However, when Muslims set out to cleanse the earth from infidels, you will hear me and see me in the forefront of opposing them.

In a free and democratic Iran, if Muslims attempt to shove their ideology down everyone’s throat and form death squads such as Fadayian Islam to assassinate the non-believers, you can be rest assured that they will be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Individuals such as yourself who carry a bleeding heart for “many Muslims who may oppose” my system choose to warn the world about me but advocate coexistence with thugs who have taken our nation hostage for centuries. Your so called non-violent approach has served to prolong this nightmare.

Turning the other cheek will result in our heads being blown up by a sniper bullet…

LalehGilani / Farah Rusta

LalehGilani

That is what I meant by headscarf. with headscarf comes the Islamic ideology that you don't have.  Now, that is what happened to MEK even though they had some Islamic ideology, imagine what will happen to those who don't even have that and take the same path as MEK did.  I think you are just frustrated and want "the change" at any costs.  That is how MEK feels.  Except, your anti Islamic views are a lot more dangerous, since there are many Muslims who may oppose your system and no matter how democratic you pain it today, tomorrow the new oppositions will end up in jails and face possible tortures and executions just under a different pretext. My prove to that is the lack of respect for human life and the willingness to sacrifice people today for the ideology you call it idealism. 

Farah Rusta,

Reza Pahlavi's condemnation or approval has no effect on any matter unless, west find it to be useful for them and use him.  As for Mrs. Ebadi,  she is not my cousin, I just say what I see.  Unlike your Reza Joon, Ebadi lives in Iran and she must be careful for the steps she takes.  I actually find it dangerous for her to defend MEK or any other actions.  She should defend justice as she always has and by doing so, she can continue her fights and defences, Otherwise, she will be framed for taking sides.  Just as you accuse her.  It is her call not yours. 

The Difference

Dariush wrote: “The only difference I see between you and your strategy VS Maryan Rajavi and her strategy is a headscarf. Rajavi's also started their opposition peacefully, later it turned violent… you have devoted your life to bring IRI down and I see you are willing to do that at any cost, even if it is taking arms and civil war. That is exactly how Rajavi's and MEK members felt then and feel now.”

The difference between my strategy and that of MKO is actually profound: I am not driven by an ideology that is rooted in denying life to those who don’t subscribe to my way of thinking. Islam is a totalitarian ideology that divides the world into two camps: the believers and the non-believers.

As a result of Islam’s teachings, the first camp has been given the green light to slaughter the second camp.

On the other hand, I am driven by an idealism, a dream of freedom and democracy for my homeland. I am also a student of history, learning from the mistakes of the past. I have said this many times and will repeat it again: The mullahs are not going to hand anything over to our nation.

We must fight them with all we have. The day that our nation is ready to die and to kill for Iran is the day that we are liberated. There are no buts and ifs about this. The current uprising contains the first element but still lacks the second.

So we will wait…

But Reza Pahalvi codenmend it without having to go to Baghdad!

Dariush,

I think you need to come up with more convincing excuses on Behalf of Ganji and Ebadi. They don't need to travel to Baghdad to say it unless they have become mute so suddenly.

See this:

//www.rezapahlavi.org/press/?english&id=392

FR

LalehGilani / Farah Rusta

LaleGilani

The only difference I see between you and your strategy VS Maryan Rajavi and her strategy is a headscarf.  Rajavi's also started their opposition peacefully, later it turned violent, number of their family members and many friends were executed and they took arms and they end up in camp ashraf.   You disagree with the end result of Rajavi's actions, but you are taking the same path and promoting the same ideas.

I am not trying to disrespect you.  You are very intelligent.  But just many in different camps, you have lost track of the purpose of the fight. As you always write, you have devoted your life to bring IRI down and I see you are willing to do that at any cost, even if it is taking arms and civil war.  That is exactly how Rajavi's and MEK members felt then and feel now.

Thank you

Farah Rusta,

You can name names. There is nothing wrong with that.  You ask, why Mrs. Ebadi and Gangi are not helping MEK in camp Ashraf.  It just happened.  They cannot be in every corner of this world at the same time. Why don't you do something about it?  I am sure Mrs. Ebadi would help if she can and she might be working on it already.   However, who knows what is really going on.  Do you?  Be patient!   Unlike what you believe, Mrs. Ebadi is fighting the wise way.

Many of them are innocent and/or misguided

but above all they're human! So they only deserve humane treatment by others. 

I believe that MKO is a cult, a dangerous one at that, and like any cult, the lower members are just misguided individuals in need of therapy and reprogramming. It's only their leadership that is at fault and I believe they should be held accountable and put on trial. 

MKO members have been imprisonned, tortured and killed for a very long time in Iran, longer than the IRI reign. These people have lost many loved ones and they have tried to do what they were told was the right thing. It's their leaders who have made the wrong decisions and betrayed not only them but our country many times over. 

IRANdokht

Anonymous8:

Anonymous8 wrote: “Laleh Gillani: when you said you wanted iran bombed, you never cared about iranian citizens, why the change?”

Please show me the proof that I ever said such a thing.

I strongly oppose IRI and have devoted my life to bring the regime of mullahs down. However, that job is the patriotic duty of all Iranians, not foreigners. My position on this topic has always been crystal clear, and I have never wavered from that stand.

Where are Ebadi and Ganji to condemn this savagery?

The impotent and hypcoritical backers of the Islamic regime on this site (I won't stain this comment with their names) cannot come up with a single argument to support the Iraqi action without exposing their double-standard selves. It is time for regimes's authorized dissidents like Ganji and Ebdai to come to the aid of the regime. 

FR

PS

It's kinda cute the way you try to convince me the MEK is a terrorist group and you use your new-found respect for the US state department to do it :)

If you think MEK deserves this because the US State Department has them on the terrorist list, what should the US do to the Islamic Republic which is on the really bad list? I'm sure the group would like to hear your input!

And still...

You try to paint something I said directly to YOU as something that was directed to everyone here? And you STILL presume to speak for everyone in your replies? lol. You've really got it bad.

It's called PTSD isn't it?

I doubt you've ever sufferred any real emotional trauma. People who lack empathy have a very limited capacity to feel pain. 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personal...

You see Craig,

the way the Internets work, is that when you type something ignorant and arrogant (even if it was meant for a particular person), everyone else is stuck with the pleasure/curse of reading it. So when you ONLY want to state your opinions, it doesn't matter who you are trying to get even with in your mind.

So perhaps you can spare us all your conversations with yourself and do a little more listening instead? Better yet, do a little more reading on the MEK, before you shower us with your "wisdom". You can start here: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._State_Department...

Because, I'm pretty sure that's a known pychological condition. I can find out what that particular affliction is called, if it would help.

It's called PTSD isn't it?

Q

I wasn't speaking of how I deal with everyone else here. I was talking about how I deal with you. Do you normally feel that you speak for the group, and anything said to you is said to the group as a whole? Because, I'm pretty sure that's a known pychological condition. I can find out what that particular affliction is called, if it would help.

oh Good craig,

for a mintue there, I thought you could actually hold a real conversation about a topical issue. But as you yourself admitted, you only write to state your own opinions!

Glad it's all cleared out.

Q

You always go off topic and make personal attacks when you have nothing else to argue.

I'm not trying to "argue" with you. I have no interest in hearing more about your opinions. I already know more about you and what you believe in than I ever wanted to. I don't debate propagandists. I don't debate hatemongers. You happen to be both. Anything I address to you is solely for the purpose of stating MY opinion about what you are saying. If you'd prefer that I refer to you in the 3rd person, I have no problem with that.

As for personal attacks... well, you are one to talk, aren't you? :P

Craig,

You always go off topic and make personal attacks when you have nothing else to argue.

And I for one am very happy to see so many fans of the Islamic Republic being open and honest about it, for a change. Remember teh days when you used to pretend you didn't like the IRI, even while you were defending them against all criticism?

Not that I really care what you think, but it's obvious you misunderstood, and probably still don't get it and I do't hold positive prospects for the future. I have my problems with IRI, but I prefer IRI to any Western attack or invasion.

The US and the government of Iraq have been telegraphing that this was coming for years.

And for years, US congressmen and neocons have been signaling they would stop it. However, this point is irrelevent to any discussion on this thread.

People like you don't care about reality.

What exactly are you referring to? What reality do I not care about? Do you disagree that they should be kicked out if the sovereign government of Iraq wants them out? which it has for years? What reality?

Maybe someday that will be you and other IRI supporters holed up in some enclave, with nowhere to go because nobody wants you,
and with no help of salvation. No future.

Where do you get this crap from Craig? Do you know the first thing about this organization?

Do you realize you are citizen of a country that can't even handle admitting completely innocent, falsely imprisoned Gitmo detainees in its soil, now you think Iraq should let these documented terrorists keep a military base in its soil?

Prople from Ashraf regularly travel to France where many of them have residency all over Europe and even those who don't can obtain it using only a fraction of the enormous budget MEK spends on propaganda and lobbying. Are you for real? You mean, you don't know the leadership of this organization spends $Millions on elaborate video productions and front operations all over Europe and America? Did you miss it when they flew hundreds of people to New York city just so their demonstrations looked "well supported" ?

Maybe then you'll understand why decent people wouldn't wish this predicament on anyone.

The leadership is in a serious predicament. Anyone who has no blood on their hands has already been given amnesty in Iran, and if they don't want that, they have Europe to go to.

But by then it'll be too late for you, won't it? It's unlikely this would be your fate, though...

Keep fantasizing if it makes you feel better about yourself. Without the slightest knowledge or sound argumentation, all you have are fantasies.

we've all seen how you can go whichever way the wind blows.

more unsubstantiated BS.

The opposition isn't even totally crushed yet, and you've already reverted to your old pro-IRI ways.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Think about those poor slobs who actually believe in the ideology, though.

What happens to them? How would you like to be stuck in a country where the government has been telling you to leave for years, and you can't because nobody will take you in?

Oh god, you're confusing your terrorists with the Gitmo detainees. These people have options, and how about US taking them in since the neocons are responsible for supporting them post Saddam Hussein?

It's like 5000 people, man. That's such a small number it barely even registers when compared to the number of asylum seekers and refugees, worldwide.

Like I said, if they don't want to go Iran, they should be given assylum in the US. You do agree that it should be up to the host country if they want them in right?

You have no pity for them at all.

Oh, no, I do have pity.

I'm not even Iranian,

No kidding!!!

and anyone who knows me testify to how much I hate communists, but I feel sorry for them.

Good for you. I feel the same way about neocons and 9/11 conspirasy theoriests.

Yes

And I for one am very happy to see so many fans of the Islamic Republic being open and honest about it, for a change. Remember teh days when you used to pretend you didn't like the IRI, even while you were defending them against all criticism? The way you guys swarmed on this post like flies on shit is quite an eye-opener, and I doubt I'm the only one who noticed the nature of the things you've been saying. 

The US and the government of Iraq have been telegraphing that this was coming for years. But you seem to have missed all that in your rush to condemn both these MEK folks in Iraq and the US, at the same time, no matter how many hoops you have to jump through to do it. People like you don't care about reality. Maybe someday that will be you and other IRI supporters holed up in some enclave, with nowhere to go because nobody wants you, and with no help of salvation. No future. Maybe then you'll understand why decent people wouldn't wish this predicament on anyone. But by then it'll be too late for you, won't it? It's unlikely this would be your fate, though... we've all seen how you can go whichever way the wind blows. The opposition isn't even totally crushed yet, and you've already reverted to your old pro-IRI ways. Think about those poor slobs who actually believe in the ideology, though. What happens to them? How would you like to be stuck in a country where the government has been telling you to leave for years, and you can't because nobody will take you in? It's like 5000 people, man. That's such a small number it barely even registers when compared to the number of asylum seekers and refugees, worldwide. You have no pity for them at all. I'm not even Iranian, and anyone who knows me testify to how much I hate communists, but I feel sorry for them.

Sad, yet it's probably time. . .

These souls in Camp Ashraf are truly lost. It will take 20-30 years of intense therapy to reverse, if even possible, the psychological damage that has been inlficted upon these members. The incompetent leadership has done so much to hurt these people. First, they brought them to Iraq. Then, they made them fght for Saddam, killing innocent Shiites and Kurds (including often women and children). Maryam Rajavi herlef has a famous line that use the Tanks on Kurds. Save your bullets for Iranian regime." Then, the leadership sent to the ill-fated invasion of Iran about 15 years ago. Then, again, they sided with Sadam killing even more Iraqis. Then, they sided with saddam until they surrendered to U.S. forces. Then, they refused to leave Iraqi terriroy (after all this is Iraqi land and the Iraqis have a right to it). Now, Maryam Khanom advocates sending them to Iran (probably to their deaths in the hands of IRI). Good going Husband and wife team. You managed to reduce a strong group into nothing! 

The kind that is open and honest, Craig!

Anonymous8 is factually right. US has committed far more terrorism. What kind of American wouldn't admit well documented reality?

KourosS, you really don't know jack, and I'm not going to play this game much longer. If you insist on acting like an vicious attack dog, I will gladly return the favor and you won't like it just like last time.

The definition of terrorism is hurting innocent civlians for political reasons. In this definition, yes, IRI has commiteed terrorism, but so have many western nations and Israel far more than IRI could dream of, with much higher numbers of casualty.

If we are talking about a much more narrow and incomplete definition of terrorism which is used by Western media and where state action (for examle Israel bobming innocent kids or America supporting Afghan terrorists) does not count, then we are left with organizational terror such as Al Qaeda, IRA, FARC and a few others.

Everyone, including the CIA and the Bush Administration agrees that MEK is such an organization. Just like Al Qaeda, they have engaged in long term military struggle against Iran and it's interests, except much worst than Al Qaeda.

If America thinks AQ is a terrorist organization, imaging a more powerful AQ, with armed camps around America, with a history of armed invasion, blowing up innocent people and having eassassinated and even injured current American presidents. That's exactly what the MEK has done to Iran.

Anybody who doesn't want to accept this, is purposefully drawing a double standard and is therefore dishonest.

gol dust

Only an evil conspirator mind can guess...

Interesting thing to say, after you bullet pointed your guesswork. Feeling introspective today?

I agree.  It is sad to see

I agree.  It is sad to see them in these conditions,  It is sad to see any human being mistreated.  In times, they were also referred to as freedom fighters. It was the mistakes of a few in IRI and MEK leadership that made a mess from ideological differences and greed for power and politics.

I don't see any privilege in punishing MEK members. They have suffered and paid enough for their mistakes. I say this, knowing if they are ordered, they will attack Iran and kill Iranians again. Therefore, it would be better if they stayed out of Iran, until both sides forgive each other and can coexist.

This is very odd that MEK leaders were in United States a few months ago discussing the fight against IRI. Their name was removed from the terrorists list in some countries. They are being trained and helped militarily and financially. Now all of a sudden, this.  I still think it is a setup. Knowing if they are sent to Iran, they can be much more helpful from within and even the possible execution of all or some of them will create more tension and division that can be used against Iran. 

I wonder what are the differences of the fight we see today, with MEK in 1979 and 1980? They were denied justice, imprisoned tortures and executed just as it is happening now and they were lead or forced to take arms and lost direction. Are we going to learn from those mistakes or repeat them in a larger scale?  I hope we pick the wise way this time.

Human tragedy!Not even traitors should be returned to IRI!

Of course, this is done by the US instructions. My guess is it could be one or more of the reasons:

1. US wants to loosen them up to be used in Iran against the IRI.

2. Wants to please IRI, as they demanded, for the good will gesture for upcoming negotiations.

3. IRI demanded as a precondion of talks.

Only an evil conspirator mind can guess why they might have done it.  Let's ask an asshole snake israeli!

صحبت از نقض حقوق‌ انسانی است.

بعضیها فکر میکنند دفاع از آزادی و حقوق بشر  فقط در رابطه با
دوستان و هم نظران  معنی‌ پیدا میکنه. درست مثل درکی که از دمکراسی دارند
و اون رو  در آزادی عقیده و بیان خودشون خلاصه میکنند.

ما در شرف یک تحول بزرگ سیاسی هستیم. جوانان ما هر روز در خیابانها  کشته و در زندان‌های رژیم جمهوری اسلامی شکنجه میشوند. برای چه؟

برای تحول دمکراتیک، برای تغیر معیار‌های قرون وسطأئی  و پذیرش 
اعلامیه جهانی‌ حقوق بشر به عنوان پرنسیپ‌هایی‌ که باید در پندار و روابط
اجتمأعی ما نهادینه 
شوند.

ما میخواهیم با فرهنگ استبدادی در جامعه خود مبارزه کنیم. یک پیش شرط
اساسی‌ برای این کار دفاع بدون قید و شرط از نقض حقوق هر انسانی‌  به
وسیله هر گروه یا کشور است.

اصلا مهم نیست که با نظرات مجاهدین موافق باشیم یا نه. اعتراض به سرکوب مجاهدین در عراق وظیفه هر ایرانی‌ با وجدان و با پرنسیپ است.

بابا، حتا برای اسرای جنگی   کنوانسیون ژنو یک سری حقوق تعیین کرده.
نگذاریم وحشی گری که نظام اسلامی بر فرهنگ جامعه ما تحمیل کرده ما رو کور
کنه.  مزدران رژیم اسلامی  حتا زخمی‌ها رو تو حوادث آخر از آمبولانس‌ها
بیرون کشیدند.  

جان هر انسانی‌ عزیزه. اگر کسی‌ جنایتی هم مرتکب شده این حق رو داره که
در یک دادگاه با  داشتن  وکیل و حق دفاع و هیات منصفه محاکمه بشه.

بیاییم برای جان هر ایرانی‌ و هر انسانی‌ جدا از نظراتش ارزش قائل شیم.

Anonymous8

wouldn't YOU say that US and Israel have made  much more terrorism than IRI?

What kind of Iranian would say such a thing with a straight face? Especially now?

hypocrites!!! Mojahedine kasif and cupporters right here!

good responses Q and saman!

Kayvan Talebi: wouldn't YOU say that US and Israel have made  much more terrorism than IRI? including arming and paying these mojaheds? you don't deserve any answers until you admit this truth.

Laleh Gillani: when you said you wanted iran bombed, you never cared about iranian citizens, why the change?

Rajavi and entire leading

Rajavi and entire leading group of this cult MUST be brought up to justice for leaving defenseless people without any support.

Rajavi betrayed Iran, Iranians and now his own cult. Shame and eternal damnation to him and entire leadership gang.

-YT