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نسرین ستوده: زندانی روز | Dec 04 | |
Saeed Malekpour: Prisoner of the day | Lawyer says death sentence suspended | Dec 03 |
Majid Tavakoli: Prisoner of the day | Iterview with mother | Dec 02 |
احسان نراقی: جامعه شناس و نویسنده ۱۳۰۵-۱۳۹۱ | Dec 02 | |
Nasrin Sotoudeh: Prisoner of the day | 46 days on hunger strike | Dec 01 |
Nasrin Sotoudeh: Graffiti | In Barcelona | Nov 30 |
گوهر عشقی: مادر ستار بهشتی | Nov 30 | |
Abdollah Momeni: Prisoner of the day | Activist denied leave and family visits for 1.5 years | Nov 30 |
محمد کلالی: یکی از حمله کنندگان به سفارت ایران در برلین | Nov 29 | |
Habibollah Golparipour: Prisoner of the day | Kurdish Activist on Death Row | Nov 28 |
I have a dream...
by Mr. John (not verified) on Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:15 AM PDTI Have a dream that some day all the Persians, all Iranians of all religions, genders, and most importantly of all political beliefs, come together to realize what they did in 1979 in what can only be called the Black Islamic Revolution of Satan, was no one's fault, but their own. I hope and I pray that for once Iranians do accept the blame on themselves and not pass it on to one another or others (e.g the so called conspiracy theories of external forces).
For if Iranians come to accept and realize the responsibilities of their own evil actions, and their arrogance of supremecy over one another and the entire world, that is when perhaps the rebuilding of Iran can begin.
Till then...and in the meaintime the business-as-usual of name calling and blaming all the bad things that happened to us on others ranging from England, to the U.S, to even the government of Bangladesh... will continue... :) :(
Concerned Iranian = large piece of boloney
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Fri Mar 27, 2009 05:00 PM PDTThis guy.... it's a HE I assume. Your first paragraph opens with "don't waste your PRECIOUS time". Then you write another 45 pages about how "as a nation AND country" we are in a "Dire situation".
Now I'M a concerned Iranian: "Iranians miserably fail in their own country to do anything right. They are often rude, back stabbing, petty thieves, and incompetent in their jobs."
Yes Mr. Concerned Iranian. You're right. Iranians = a bunch of goats actually. Anyway you have a lot of nerve (not the same as balls). They may have a cruel government (look ma! one adjective! unlike concerned iranian.... maybe you are more concerned because of how many mean adjectives you use about the eyeranian peoples?), but they aren't failures at everything as you claim. You have very good, free advice. Non-specific, but free. Pasho boro Tehran komak. Yallah. It's a "dire" situation. Or, if you really have a bleeding heart, you can always go to the sexy and classy provinces of Iran.
Pity is, Aloisius
by capt_ayhab on Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:58 PM PDTPity is when any one who has read couple of biased half-@ss written book, all of sudden becomes expert in Iranian affairs, our self-proclaimed so called Iranian expert included.
When you open your expert mouth and render judgment about me without knowing me, tells me a lot about your intellect. I think that suffices you Mr. Aloisius. Meanwhile hobnob with likes of yourself and leave Iran to Iranians.
Pahlavi's will return to Iran when the hell freezes over.
Good day and end of discussion.
-YT
Aloisius , Maximus....
by Concerned-Iranian (not verified) on Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:39 AM PDTCiao Professore,
Please do NOT Stress and do Not waste your precious time any further on this subject.
Conscious Iranians (Persians) believe and agree 100% with your wise and intelligent points and concerns.
It's a big shame, that more Iranians do not share the same views on true historical realities and sheer common sense, otherwise, we would have not been in this horrible and dire situation as a nation and country...
Your concerns and interest as an Italian Professor about Iran and Iranian well being is amazing, humbling and admirable. Once again, on behalf of all conscious Iranians, we Thank you from bottom of our hearts...
Viva Iran , Viva Italia e Grazie mille ancora...
PS. I came across an exquisite comment by a fellow Conscious Iranian and with his permission, I quote his excellent writing about Persians below:
Ancient Iran Matters...
by Anonymous Farhad (not verified) on Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:22 PM PDT
For a group of people to survive these days, it should form a nation, have self-esteem, get educated, and care for the country.
Today's iran and iranians have none of those. For those who have visited iran, it is easy to find that IRI really does not care about the country of iran or its past, rather they care about nation of islam, retention of power, and control of wealth.
Neither do iranians have any self-esteem. The same iranians when immigrate to the west are at least as successful as any other nation, yet they miserably fail in their own country to do anything right. They are often rude, back stabbing, petty thieves, and incompetent in their jobs. They follow the lines of the government in viewing the country as a set up table from which they should fill their pockets while they can without any respect for rule of law or morality. Almost everyone is unhappy but none tries to look into mirror to see where that unhappiness is coming from. These are unpleasant facts.
A nation once proud and achiveing (well beyond militaristic features that we know as recent researchers have shown), became a second class citizen in their own country after the invasion of islam having to pay heavy taxes. From being rostam and gord-afarid and taking pride in being iranian to calling themselves Gholam-Ali, Gholam-Hossain, and taking pride in being slaves (nokar) of dead Arabs or their representatives. From endearing a god of light and prosperity to praying to a God who demands total obedience to him and the Caliph and threatens you with all sorts of eternal burning in hell at each turn. From celebrating occasions of connection to nature and time as in Mehregan and Sadeh to mourning for loss of long-dead Arab Gholdors in Ashura and Tasoua. Iranians simply lost their will to succeed as long as they trick Allah to a fake obedience. As a mulla once said, one should not bribe and should not charge interest on lent money, but that is where I come into play so I can tell you how to bribe or charge interest in an islamically legal manner. Killing is forbidden unless (s)he is mofsedo-fel-arz as decreed by a representative of Emam, and so on.
Cyrus the Great's deeds were major coup in his time when the norm was to destroy, burn, and enslave as Ashurbanipal or Nebuchadnezzar did around his time, or Changiz, Tatar, Hitler, or Turks (as in Armenian genocide) did in recent history. Yes he fought and conquered, but one can argue that without that Iran would not have existed as she would have been conquered by other nations. Only few decades later, Greeks attacked Ionia - part of Persian Empire in Asia minor - and set the city to fire with its residents "within". That motivated Xerxes to launch the Marathon battle that led to burning of an "emptied" greek city. That was the extent of Persian brutality.
As for the term Persian and Persia and sensitivity of some to these connotations, one should not forget that Persian and Persia does not relate to Fars province exclusively, but it is the correct English translation of Farsi and Iran. In other words, calling iranians persians does not imply any exclusion of Iranian minorities. The concepts of racism are new and western concepts that historically did not exist in iran as iran from birth was an amalgamation of various tribes. At early times, about half of iran were Persians, the other half Medes, with southern parts occupied by Elamites and Sumerian, racially neither Semite nor Aryan, all respected and protected by the kings, and intermarried.
So if we want to free ourselves from the chain of an imposed fake religion that has betrayed us for the past 30 years, we need to take pride in our past that we could if we wanted to, since the experiences of the past 30 years provide no positive guidance whatsoever as to how we should improve the country. In fact, besides the crowd who detest anything iranian-at-core that is ruling iran today, the youth often grab any history book about pre-islamic iran out of bookshelves of bookstores. Once popular right after revolution, religious books such as those of dr. shariati or mafateeh, now gather dust and stay on the bookstore shelves indefinitely.
Further, Iran was not an empire only. It was a center of science, technology, literature, and arts. We are less familiar with these aspects of Persian Empire as, as in other areas, best research is being done by non-iranians to discover those achievements. Even after Islam, after some 200 years of void following numerous burnings of iranian libraries by invading armies of islam, once more secular Caliphs like Haroun and Mamoun were in charge, iranians started to flourish once again and translated barely remaining Pahlavi and Greek texts from pre-islamic era that invading fundamentalist Arabs found unnecessary to safeguard.
to quote bill o'reilly
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Fri Mar 27, 2009 09:50 AM PDTI'll give you the last word. Well done!
This is my last post on this subject (answering cap_ayhab)
by Aloisius (not verified) on Fri Mar 27, 2009 06:38 AM PDTFor the readers who have followed it (or suffered) this debate, I believe that the different positions in this subject are sufficiently clear. Those who have participated in the discussion have just opposite mentalities; we can do anything about it.
Therefore, each person has to arrive to his own conclusions and reaffirm or change his convictions.
It doesn't make sense for me to let me drag by this sterile controversy anymore.
Thus, this one will be the last commentary I'll post on this subject.
Cap_ayhab, you said: "I lived there in Iran during his reing, so please don't tell me what I have already experienced."
Accorded. But as much as other Iranians living today in exile, who are as illustrious -or even more- than you are, and they differ of your point of view, rather sharing mine.
And you also said: "To me IR and Pahlavi are the same, only difference is one wore army uniform and Bijan suite pants, and these thugs wear turbans."
Not accorded. It's a pitty, but you have not only showed yourself incapable to understand the ethical difference between both regimes and the repressive policy carried out by them. You now also show yourself incapable to understand the deep meaning of the esthetic difference between both regimes(!). At this point, there should not be anything else to discuss with you.
Honestly, I think it is your visceral rejection of the idea of Monarchy itself which blinds to you. And, dear fellow, don't insult me, I've been Political Thought teacher at the University for 6 years and I do perfectly know Dictionary's definitions, but "Politeia" regards first of all Reality, and this cannot be locked up in a concept formulated 2,500 years ago.
If you sincerely beleive at what you quoted ("monarchy is an out dated form of government, monarchy by it definition, contradicts democracy.)you really would have a serious reality comprenhension problem. The majority of the most representative, stable and developed democracies of the world are Monarchies!(UK,Japan, Neetherlands and the Nordic countries, for instance)
Yes, it's a pitty. Some of you iranians are so lucky of having had a 2,500 years old Monarchy and instead of being proud of it and support it as a sign of incomparable national identity, you despise it.
Only the future may give an answer on wether the Pahlavis would reign in Iran again or not. Seeing around the increasing madness of the world, probably they will not... cause:
"At the End of the Times they will govern the pariahs" is written in the Baghavat-Gita.
Full stop.
(if you, Cap_ayhab, want to say the last word, it is up to you. I don't care anymore)
To: "I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek "
by AAL (not verified) on Fri Mar 27, 2009 02:36 AM PDTI am not a monarchist. It would be silly to be a monarchist in Europe. As I've already said, the problem with many Iranian "liberals" is that, much like the Russian "liberals", they were expecting from the Shah (or Gorbachev) to turn a country that has never had a democracy before into a democracy overnight. It was easier for Gorbachev-at least he had all the infrastructure necessary. The Shah didn't even have that. He had to create it from scratch. And create it he did. Modern Iran is a result of his policies.
I don't know if you are Iranian and if you were alive in the '70s, but these guys that were and were "protesting" were just digging their own grave.
The monarchy in Iran was useful for the particular historical stage of the country. Whether later, as a democracy, Iran would retain or not the monarchy is of no importance. I mean the UK is "a monarchy" but in fact the queen is decorative, and the country is perfectly democratic. But a certain degree of authoriatarianism is necessary for a country to take some steps BEFORE reaching democracy.
The masses everywhere behave in an immature and impatient manner and are easily influenced by propaganda. If anything, the Shah was too soft.
If you cannot see the significance of crowning a woman as regent, I cannot help you. She need not do anything; just demostrating the concept that a woman is capable, in proncilple, to become head of state is enough.
"(My my you are versed. I bet you day dream about that event every day wow..... feels like it was yeterday..... all my troubles seemed so far away...)"
What one lacks in arguments, he usually makes up in personal attacks. I will not follow you in this, especially as we don't know each other so any "personal" attack is, be definition, nonsense. You have fun.
Hallo AAL: indulge me please
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Thu Mar 26, 2009 02:25 PM PDTSeriously. So he makes her a regent in a ceremony (My my you are versed. I bet you day dream about that event every day wow..... feels like it was yeterday..... all my troubles seemed so far away...)
anyway so she was given this fancy show and wonderful dresser full of panties and bras with gold lace. Now tell me, what did she actually do? Did she actually decide anything? Anything serious? I read her dumb book. In it, she didn't do a damn thing. It was kind of disappointing, but then I remembered what the shah really said about women to a certain pesky little "journalist" from "america"..... he didn't give a crap about women unless they were groomed and ready to go in the sack. Let's get real. Stop treating him like jesus. This is politics. Maybe when we die we will live in heaven and find out that it's really SHAH's kingdom, not God's. LOL get it? ha
Back to Farah, that ceremony as an "emancipation"? Are you f-ing joking? "Dear Iranian Peoples: I have hand picked this woman from Jean D'Arc School for Girls and I have faith in her to decide for the country matters of official importance." Give me a break. You monarchists are so full of it you make George Bush and his kid look like the "real deal".
Kaveh
by capt_ayhab on Thu Mar 26, 2009 01:59 PM PDTAziyat nakon shazdeh.......... it says[jk] joke at the end of it. And no i do not have shoe fetish. you crack me up lol.
She was in fact our neighbor in Tehran. Very tough Head Mistress but extremely wise and nice person she was.
-YT
LOL!! Ali is funny
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Thu Mar 26, 2009 01:45 PM PDTMan I feel like I'm Alice in wonderland sometimes here. "The shah repressed people to evolve and develop them" DING DING DONG! WOW. What a genius....
JJ Needs to start marketing this site in a new way entirely: FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ON DRUGS WITHOUT THE DRUGS! Iranians tell you about "happy sexy dictators who make people better".
Captain
by Kaveh Nouraee on Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:13 PM PDTIf you like I can provide her shoe size as well[jk]
Why am I getting the feeling that all this time I have been debating a guy with a fetish? :-)
AAL
by capt_ayhab on Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:05 PM PDTGet real dude, the only one who was manipulated by foreign powers was SHAH himself.
-YT
P/S[Aliocius] to my previous comment. Farookhroo Parsa was our[my fathers home] own neighbor in Tehran. During and after her post in ministry of education, she was Head Mistress in IRAN High School which was a girls only school, which my 2 sisters attended. If you like I can provide her shoe size as well[jk]
Aloisius
by capt_ayhab on Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:56 AM PDTYou are YET to answer my question.
and as to so called[SOLID infrastructural investment] by older dynasty, it is obvious , as I said before, your knowledge is extremely limited to very few literature published by Pro Dynasty. and lets not forget 7 year of destructive war that Iran was engulfed in.
Just FYI, monarchy is an out dated form of government, monarchy by it definition, contradicts democracy. Take a look at definition of democracy as it is in Merriam-Webster dictionary.
5. the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges.
//www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democrac...
I have no argument regarding some limited emancipation that was given to women, however having lived during same period in Iran, I know for fact he did so under the pressure from western countries, in particular USA.
Besides, his rein lasted 40 years, it wasnt till last few years when he abolished multi-party system. He himself admitted to his extreme shortcoming and UNLAWFUL ACTS by himself and his family members, in his last speech[begging] right before his departure.
[Promise to the nation: You, the people of Iran, rose against
injustice and corruption... I too, have heard the voice of your
revolution. As the Shah of Iran, and as an Iranian, I will support the
revolution of my people. I promise that the previous mistakes, unlawful
acts and injustice will not be repeate. This speech is said to have been written by the uncle of Shahbanou Farah and was given to the Shah in a rush, as the Shah had become fatigued due to the growth of his cancer.
Iranian State Radio, 5 November 1978.
My dear man, I lived there in Iran during his rein, so please don't tell me what I have already experienced. To me IR and Pahlavi are the same, only difference is one wore army uniform and Bijan suite pants, and these thugs wear turbans.
-YT
Capt_ayhab, this is the true key point !
by Aloisius (not verified) on Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:52 AM PDTYou, sir, try to question the logic and, really, the validity of my reasoning itself, providing some data of "better" (higher) results of index of development concerning diverse sectors of the Iranian socio-economic reality, reached 20-30 years after the end of the Imperial regime, that is under the Islamic republican regime. That's why you sophistically ask me:
"Will you give same benefit of doubt to I(slamic)R(epublic) regime? Why or why not?" (with regard to my statement: "I insist. The Shah had to sacrifice the formal democracy to accelerate the development of Iran...")
I do not believe that the key of the subject is a fight of numbers (although these were important, as certainly they are). The key point is an ethic one:
the Imperial regime restricted the political freedom as a way (temporary means) to facilitate the fast socio-economic development, whereas the Islamic regime has sacrificed the political liberties and many civic liberties like an aim in itself, because that is its philosophically repressive nature and the ideal final society in which it believe!!!
But, in any case, remaining at a "numbers" level, it is of elementary logic that the material achievements in these last 30 years would have been impossible to reach without a solid structural and infrastructural base, that was indeed the one that created the Shah's White Revolution... STARTING FROM ALMOST ZERO! Quite a difference, my good man.
Finally, I would like to say I share 200% what AAL has wrote to you. And on the subject of the Women under the Shah, I would point out, as highly clear examples of their emancipation and promotion by his Regime, the cases of two great and emblematic Iranian women:
1.- Farrokhroo Parsa (physician, educator and parliamentarian that served as Minister of Education of Iran; first female cabinet minister of an Iranian government,was an outspoken supporter of women's rights in Iran, and was executed by firing squad on 8 May 1980 on religious-revolutionary charges of "spreading vice on Earth and fighting God"); and
2.- Mahnaz Afkhami (founder of the Association of Iranian University Women. She served as Secretary General of the Women's Organization of Iran prior to the Islamic revolution. Now living in exile in the United States).
TO: capt_ayhab
by AAL (not verified) on Thu Mar 26, 2009 03:36 AM PDT"Your statement about his personal view resembles to one claiming to be against slavery, but at the same time having few slaves in his household. "
That is so not true!!! Because it implies that the Shah in practice was discriminating against women. Nothing is further from the truth. The Shah brought female emancipation, and by crowning Farah as Empress and Regent, he proved in practise his belief that "woman can do all jobs, including queens" (his own words roughly).
"If Pahlavi dynasty was so great as you claim, why isn't Reza Pahlavi leader of Iran now? Why people took Shah out in 1979? "
For two reasons. First, because the masses everywhere are usually impatient, especially the masses in countries that have never had real democracy and can't wait to get it. Look at what happened in the Soviet Union: Gorbachev was their best leader ever, he was trying to slowly move things towards greater democracy. But the people just couldn't wait. They screwd up his plan, effectively bringing down not only the regime but the whole country, which eventually broke apart. So the leader that takes upon his shoulders the burden to move a country to the future, to prosperity and to democracy is usually ostracized by the people that abuse their new found privileges. Indeed, Gorbachev is in exile now, forgotten and often despised by a large part of the people he helped liberate.
Second, because the masses in Iran were manipulated by the US and the UK, who did not want a strong and independent Iran. The Shah did not want to be their puppet, and they were silly enough to believe that Khomeini would play that role! Is it a coincidence that the oil contracts would expire in 1979?
Also, the US foreign policy was so unbelievably short-sighted that they thought they would stop communism by cultivating Islamic fundamentalism. Bin Laden is their creation. They did not understand that communism would go one day, but once you cultivate fundamentalism it's very difficult to uproot it.
I respect the fact that you have personal experience from that era, but that does not guarantee objectiveness. It's mind-numbing to see all these students in Tehran in the '70s protesting in their modern clothes and skirts...they thought the lived in 1968 Paris! In fact, they were digging their own grave. The reason they could behave as if they were in 1968 Paris was the Shah. If they had let him be, Iran would soon be a truly democratic country, like the ones in Europe. It took us A LONG time to achieve democracy in Europe. Iran would have achieved it faster than all of us. But some people were lead to want it all and want it "now". That's always a recipe for disaster.
Reza Shah
by Hassan Abbasi, CENTER for DOCTRINAL ANALYSES (not verified) on Wed Mar 25, 2009 08:20 PM PDTghorban eide shoma ham mobarak
I wish you & your supporters a very happy and successful new year. You're doing a great job, don't give up. You're gaining popularity among the youth of Iran and you have our complete support. Good luck.
May Allah grace your Father, Mohammad Reza Shah (pbuh), soul with the highest level of heaven.
hameye ma dar iran dar
by parviz kalantar (not verified) on Wed Mar 25, 2009 01:30 AM PDThameye ma dar iran dar entezar to hastim. be harf hasood o nadadn delsard nasho. dorood bar ravan pedar o pedarbozorgat javid shah
NO more bad mouthing please..
by maziar058 (not verified) on Tue Mar 24, 2009 07:09 PM PDTms.marge please ,please,please leave your trailer rantings (about pahlavi families, were you was born during ahmad shah? )please;for your next door neighbor and not these iran lover site.
personally I think you have more crush on alex cosygin and not trebeck. pass us the joint & bye.
p.s. and find yourself an audio speech from ayatolah makkarem for trashing persian holidays that may subsitute for R.P 's greeting.
FYI//Video of Pasargard Nowruz Gathering
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Mar 24, 2009 03:27 PM PDTShiro Khorsheed Flag and not the Islamic Republic Flag was displayed on one of the Haftseen.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CQAb1a7fwQ
Concerned Iranian
by Anonymous111 (not verified) on Tue Mar 24, 2009 01:55 PM PDTyou can also try www.behnevis.com. That's what I use.
Concerned Iranian
by capt_ayhab on Tue Mar 24, 2009 01:43 PM PDTI just saw this wonderful blog by Ms. Laleh Gillani about Farsi word processing check it out man it is great.
//iranian.com/main/blog/lalehgillani/word...
and I will most definitely read the book you recommended, I love reading. Thanks
-YT
Thank you Capitan!
by Concerned-Iranian (not verified) on Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:16 PM PDTSorry for my incorrect spelling in previous post . Thank you for your corrections. Also, Thanks for the Persian font link.
مرسی استاد.ولی این جوری بیشتر طول میکشه...
PS. Please read "Power Of Now" by Eckhart Tolle, I honestly believe despite all your high education as a Professor, it may be helpful for you as well...
Aloisius
by capt_ayhab on Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:59 AM PDTAllow me
To begin with, Shah did what he was supposed to do, after all it is the sole duty and responsibility of any leader to better the lives of all the subjects.
Asides from this general perceived duty of any leader allow me to introduce to you the Nixon Doctrine:
The Nixon Doctrine (also known as the Guam Doctrine) was put forth in a press conference in Guam on July 25, 1969 by Richard Nixon. He stated that the United States henceforth expected its allies to take care of their own military defense. The Doctrine argued for the pursuit of peace through a partnership with American allies.
The doctrine was also applied by the Nixon administration in the Persian Gulf region, with military aid to Iran and Saudi Arabia, so that these U.S. allies could undertake the responsibility of ensuring peace and stability in the region. According to author Michael Klare, application of the Nixon Doctrine "opened the floodgates" of U.S.military aid to allies in the Persian Gulf, and helped set the stage for the Carter Doctrine and for the subsequent direct U.S. military involvement of the Gulf War and the Iraq War.
Micheal Klare author of Blood and Oil: The Dangers and Consequences of America's Growing Petroleum Dependency (New York: Henry Holt, 2004)
2. Human Development Index[HDI]: is an index calculated with the combination of life expectancy, literacy, education, and standard of living.
HDI improved significantly in the years after the revolution, climbing from 0.569 in 1980 to 0.759 in 2007/8. It now ranks 94th out of 177 countries with data. This is approximately the same rate, as neighbor Turkey which has a somewhat higher HDI rating (0.775). One factor in the HDI rise has been literacy rates among Iranian women which "rose from 28% to 80% between 1976 and 1996. Currently 53% of all medical doctors in Iran are women.
Lets break down some of these indicators shall we?
Life Expectancy: 57.7 Yrs in 1980........... 71.14 in 2009 Est.
Infant Mortality Rate: 92.0/1000 in 1980........ 35.8 in 2009 Est.
GDP per capita(PPP): $2,620 in 1980 ...... $13,100 in 2008 Est.
Literacy Rate Total: 49.7% in 1980 ....... 77.0% in 2002 Est
Male: 60.9% in 1980 ....... 83.5% in 2002 Est.
Female: 38.2% in 1980 ........ 70.4% 2002 Est.
Total Population: 39.33 million in 1980 ..... 66.43 2009 Est.
Sources: UN Data Base, CIA Factbook.
//globalis.gvu.unu.edu/indicator_detail.cfm?C...
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world...
I need to make it clear that none of these comparisons are meant as approval of IR regime nor of Pahlavi regime. Although one point I have make and that is, you said:
[I insist. The Shah had to sacrifice the formal democracy to accelerate
the development of Iran in all the sectors (to assure its
competitiveness in the world).]
Will you give same benefit of doubt to IR regime? Why or why not?
Bare in mind my dear good man, any comparative number is only good WHEN and IF it is compared against another sets of numbers. as in this case, Progress that shah made can only stand any scrutiny If it is compared to any other existing data.
Respectfully
-YT
P/S: PPP = Purchasing Power Parity = Theory uses the long-term equilibrium exchange rate of two currencies to equalize their purchasing power. Developed by Gustav Cassel in 1920, it is based on the law of one price: the theory states that, in ideally efficient markets, identical goods should have only one price.
This purchasing power exchange rate equalizes the purchasing power of different currencies
in their home countries for a given basket of goods. Using a PPP basis
is arguably more useful when comparing differences in living standards
on the whole between nations because PPP takes into account the
relative cost of living and the inflation rates of different countries, rather than just a nominal gross domestic product (GDP) comparison. The best-known and most-used purchasing power parity exchange rate is the Geary-Khamis dollar (the "international dollar").
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_pari...
Whopper 990 Dollari
by capt_ayhab on Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:42 AM PDTMy bad, just my poor spelling. Manzoore badi nadashtam, monghol bodane maro bebakhash. ;-)
Glad the thread was helpful
-YT
Capitan e team melli...ayhab..
by Whopper 99 centi+ tax (not verified) on Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:27 AM PDTBaba dasskhosh!
Now i am a whooper??? after all that "eating bread and salt" together right here on this taarnama? I try to deliver serious news to ya'all and here is what i get. Wow. Baba ey val.
Btw. Thanx for the page. It was a big help.
I don't agree, Cap_Ayhab!
by Aloisius (not verified) on Tue Mar 24, 2009 09:49 AM PDTDear Cap_Ayhab,
I have only seen today your 21st March commentary on mine of past 20th of March.
Now, if you permitt, I reply you.
At no moment I have denied that there was a deficit of (formal) political democracy in the Regime of the late Shah.
What I affirmed, I did it basing me on the evidence of 20th Century’s History and on the scientific knowledge of the relations among backwardness /poverty/ignorance/under-development and inefficiency/instability/ nonfunctionality of democratic rules in the decision making process, as Sociology and Political Science explain (and this analysis is valid not only for Iran’s case). My knowledge, then, is not “poorly limited to some literature written by the supporters of him”. Therefore, I still assert it.
I insist. The Shah had to sacrifice the formal democracy to accelerate the development of Iran in all the sectors (to assure its competitiveness in the world). Paradoxically, doing so, he demonstrated himself substantially more democratic than formal democrats are.
I explain myself. What can be more democratic than to transform the balance of power relations in the national and international Society’s structure? Well, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi did it:
• He freed 9 million people from medieval servitude with the Agrarian Reform, that created the base for a modern productive structure (even if initial misalignments took place, due to the inexperience of the peasants and to the sabotage of the landowners, agricultural production increased between 1964 and 1970 by 80% in tonnage and 67% in Value)
• He granted to the industrial workers the right to profit sharing in the companies where they operated, as well as the right to own shares in the Industrial Complexes where they worked (doing so, he gave dignity to the work and surpassed the concept of “fight of classes”, because no longer the worker was a simple employee that badly sold his work to the capitalist, but can become an owner).
• He established the free and obligatory education and a daily free meal for all children from kindergarten up to 14 years of age (in a country where in 1963 2/3 of its population was illiterate. For 1978 there were 100,000 Iranians studying in the West with integral scholarships!)
• He emancipated the Women, granted to them voting right and the right to hold public positions (and for me it is irrelevant an antifeminist opinion on the women -the Feminism is an ideology that has mined important values in the West and I also condemn it- by the Shah supposedly expressed to an extreme feminist like Oriana Fallaci was)
• Introduction of Social Security and National Insurance for all Iranians.
• Etc., etc., etc. (until completing the 19 measures of truely revolutionary non demagogic transformation of Iran)
All these are deeds, statistically and documentarily verifiable. They are not mere rhetorical statements or political slogans. But they are also facts that before the fall of the Shah, Iran was the 13th economy of the world (today is the 50th) or that was Mohammed Reza Pahlavi who brought back for Iran the total control of its oil and put on knees the West -he, so easily accused to be servile to the West- being the main promoter of the rise of the barrel’s price in 1973 (and not Mossadegh, “democratic” ruler whose nationalization of 1953 not only was “wet paper” but it put the Country’s Economy barely to collapse)
I do not know if Reza Cyrus Pahlavi -or another prince of the Dynasty; there are some- will reign someday in Iran, but what I know is that the Pahlavis already have a place of honor in History, and that Mohammed Reza Pahlavi has loved and served his Nation even sacrifying his own health and life; without a doubt the greater Persian statesman in centuries! (As a matter of fact, historians have started to revalue his reign)
(In my commentary posted past 20.03.09, where I wrote Mokhtari I wanted to write Montazeri)
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by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Tue Mar 24, 2009 09:20 AM PDTI think what you're saying is very typical. Making fun of Reza Pahlavi doesn't give me some kind of pleasure and if it did, isn't it the same as writing comments about how shitty the IRI is? Your "zoor" doesn't reach IRI either, does it? Does mine reach this little peshgel Reza. What you're saying is that to have a dispute with Reza Pahlavi means you automatically don't give a damn about Iran now and view Iran has a perfect great society where we can go and get high and married. HAHAHAHA. There is no connection between Reza Pahlavi and akhound and har gohi ke akhoundha mikhoran.
AAL
by capt_ayhab on Tue Mar 24, 2009 09:02 AM PDT[if his PERSONAL view on woman was not correct, if true, was his own problem, so to speak, and is not important.]
Now that is very shallow view to take when it comes to a leader of a nation don't you think so? My point was the EVEN if he did some for the suffrage of women, how genuine could he have been to hold such a view of 50% of the population?
Your statement about his personal view resembles to one claiming to be against slavery, but at the same time having few slaves in his household.
Let me ask you one question. If Pahlavi dynasty was so great as you claim, why isn't Reza Pahlavi leader of Iran now? Why people took Shah out in 1979?
FYI, Before you go on a tangent, you need to know that I was a college student during Shah in Iran. Meaning I have lived under his rein.
-YT
Concerned jun
by capt_ayhab on Tue Mar 24, 2009 07:18 AM PDT[Motherland and her torchered people in the past 30 years, It may not
worth much to anybody here but I do what I can in my limited and humble
caliber to enlighten young Iranian people who at the end are the
ultimate and only saviours]
Turn on your spell checker please
Tortured not torchered
Savior not saviour
Inam Persian Font: //gate2home.com/?language=fa&sec=2
-YT
Whooper 99 dollari
by capt_ayhab on Tue Mar 24, 2009 07:09 AM PDTSee if this will help
//iranian.com/main/news/2009/03/14/mr-ira...
-YT