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Three, four years ago I used

Three, four years ago I used to have indirect debates with Milani through two journalists working at a major metro newspaper. His opinions at the time have actually become compromised over time, mine haven't. And his political commentary is entirely unreliable. 

He really is an Iranian version of Charles Krauthammer when it comes to Iranian politics. 

sg, who cares what you wish?

In your mind, everyone is sitting waitin for your opinions who to vote for, who should go away, etc. Talk about maglomania.

Darius Kadivar Abbas Milani's article on Zoroaster is a Joke

It was rightly put on the website www.nationalinterst.org

which represents USA national interest not that of Iran.

Presenting the Shah as anything other than a lawful King of a Monarchy is as Incorrect as it is disingenuous and deceitful. 

It was and always will be the USA national interest to say they did nothing wrong in betraying the Shah (itself a despotic/unlawful and tyrannical act in light of the fact that Iran had a legal pact with the congress of the USA)... because he was allegedly a megalomaniac, a despot (authoritarian).

How? for example by denying Iranian authorities tear gas and plastic bullets to stop the riots and humanely crack down on the anti-regime demonstrations who murdered people in cinemas, and by forcing the military leaders... under coercion...  to make a statement they would not defend the constitution the swore to uphold.

The USA say's the same thing about Putin who doesn't budge for the US National interest at the expense of the USA.

I believe people like Putin and the Shah are patriots for not doing as they are told and serving their peoples interest as they see it first... Iran and Russia would have never enjoyed the development they created had their leaders given the USA permission to run their domestic economies. 

A person has to know far too many things to not be deceived by Milani's disingenuos works, which is why Iranians fell for that BS back in 1979, I doubt they will fall for it again just because the western media labels the Shah a dictator/authoritarian/autocrat/tyrant. We'll see. Shah never had absolute power/nor does Putin.  They were heads of state that the usa could not stop or control yes, but they were also always answerable and not able to act in an unlawful way. 

Now compared that with your USA mr milani and the war in Iraq, which has killed the mother and fathers of 5,000,000 million children who are now orphans as a result of it's unlawful war, almost half of all children in Iraq. That is Desoptism you ignorant professor.

Milani's propaganda is effective in using facts and mixing into it lies.

Bulls eye!

And they object to me when I say that the people had a hand in bringing this misery called The Islamic Republic to power.

Like Milani says, how could we have missed this? 70 years of akhondist lies and slander against democracy and mashrutiyat and Mossadegh,.... and in the end we gave the keys to the devil himself?

pas bekesheen ke Jomhuri Eslami haghetooneh....

I feel so happy that people like Milani are now begining to realize that our current culture of hatred and "marg bar...marg bar..." originated from closet Islamists like Al-e Ahmad and Shariati.

dear masouda

you are quite right about anglo-russian issue, I hope all information that you and I have could be received by our people in motherland and whole point of any information about past to be lesson to next generation that not to fall in same trap but again always we will have people for the power and wealth will sell their sole to devil. hope for better future for our people and the country and freedom that they deserve.

FYI/Zoroaster and the Ayatollahs by Abbas Milani (NI.org)

Iran's culture wars between its Persian imperial past and Arab Muslim influence have been raging since long before the 1979 revolution. 

Zoroaster and the Ayatollahs by Abbas Milani (nationalinterest.org)

Dear Afshin Azad

You say: It is important for us to know that the whole world was the enemy in 1978. 

That is exactly what we must not do.  The whole world was not our enemy in 1978.   We must learn from that tragedy - we must understand how Russia infilterates youth and labor to push it's agenda.  We must learn how the British colonialists fund and support religious leaders all over the third world......We must also learn the fact that the Democrat wing of Uncle Sam follows the Brits (via the Center on Foreign Relations) on it's foreign policies.  That means the Brits push their agenda all over the world when a Democrat is in the WHite House.   But the so called experts like Dr. Milani will never point out the Anglo-Russian Treaty ( //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Russian_Entente) on Iran - Milani will never tell you the only time Iran was free from the anglo-russian stanggling was the 3 decades after WW2 and because of US military presence.   Milani will never tell you after ww2 the anglo-russian aliance tried twice to topple and twice to kill the Shah - until they finally succeeded to do both.   All Milani does is pointing out irrelevant individuals like Sullivan who were just implementors of a plan years in the works.

Only if..........

Only if "wishing" would work!

Crrrrrrrently IC.com would be a better place! ROFLMAO.....LOLOLOL

Writing type .....who gives a F&*K!

I wish this Milani character would just go away

His only reliability is being proven wrong so much of the time in his crrent analyses of Iran.

He's about as bad as Charles Krauthammer. 

Abbas Milani You contradict Yourself too much

You say sullivan gave bad info to the usa... agreed, but you say he had no agenda because there were xyz people giving him this info and then you speak of how usa did not listen to the advices of many others...

that alone proves they had an agenda... the akhunds from day onewhile excluding others like shariatmadari

its also why the policy still stands today, keeping the akhunds at the expense of iranians at all costs now for 31 years.

ther agenda was to weaken iran and set it backwards in order to better control it as described by the leader of france...

you don't seem to discuss all the struggles the shah had with the usa in order to develop iran, which they were and still are opposed to, how the usa was 100 % opposed to shahs plans for iranian industrialization and tried ts best to bull doze iranian steel...

your spin is too self serving and pro american, even for a traitor, not based on facts or revelations.  Please Read the book the secrets of the states, by the president of France, valery giscardestang, the first print in any major library.

the rights to this book were purchased by the cia in a matter of months and it was never reprinted, I forget the name of the cia front company because his revelation of private discussions were so damaging to the usa and its real immoral, unlawful, back handed, machievellian approach to gaing power at the expense of the shah, the cultural pillar of the people of iran.

I have never read in any of your literature either that the Shah left iran without any substantial money and how his family received donations from allies in order to live after the revolution.  Getting out the truth seems to be an inconvenience for you and your bosses.

Mer30 Darius...

...et Joyeuse Fêtes!

Interesting exchange

I just want to note that everytime the religious part of the society needed help to achieve any political aim, they would ask for help from the "rowshanfekr" or the none religious section of the society. But any time it was the other way around, the religious section never came to rescure.

I just hope those free religious souls wether they live out or inside of Iran could see the suffering of the none religious Iranians. Could see the pain and join and unite to bring democracy once and for "all".

cho ozvi raa be dard aavarad roozegar,

Degar ozvha raa namaanad gharaar,

bani aadam a`zaaye yek deegaran,

ke dar aafarinesh ze yek gowharand,

In hope of a free and independent Iran where "all" people are free to practice "any" religion or believe in  any idealogy and join any club or society and fear nothing but their own conscience.

Aamin

Peykan Jaan Yes I do ... ;0)

ROYALTY AND FAITH:Ayatollah Jannati Kisses Shahbanou Farah's Hand (1970's)

Who are these akhoonds in this photo?

Does anybody know?

oktaby

I'm Not suggesting anything.

Other than the fact that this was released recently and most probably in relation to the Wikileaks documents or more complete documents to which Milani is refering to.

Having not read the documents firsthand I cannot vouch for or against what they claim. 

What I do know however is that Margaret Thatcher and the Conservatives in general who were not in Power at the time were supportive of the Shah to the last moments before admitting the obvious that the Shah's regime was definitively abandoned:

Margaret Thatcher Meets with Egyptian President, Anwar Sadat

So did Reagan:

Which did not stop him to get involved in the Iran Contra Affair subsequently.  

جناب عباس ميلاني

اين را خيانت به ملت بايد ناميد. نيروهاي ضد ايراني مخالفت با شاه و سلطنت را تا انجايي رساندندكه لازم شدباارتجاعي ترين قشر--اخوندها--متحد شوند وحالا شما "يك يك" مردم را مقصر ميدانيد. شرمتان باد كه هنوزبه خودتان اجازه ميدهيد وقيحانه درمقابل دوربين به اين شكل سفسفطه اميز صحبت كنيد.كسي كه ازحداقل شرف و انسانيت برخوردارباشد بايد از مخالفين انقلاب قبل از وقوعش هم سخني بميان بياورد و تنها به تعداد اسم كفا نكند. شمابعداز بيش از سي سال هنوزتفسيرتان غلط است و مملو از دروغ و كتمان حقايق. شما داريد در باره يك ملت سخنوري مكنيد نه مشكلات خصوصي. البته اين فرصت خوبيست برا ي شما كه كتابتان را بفروشيد

DK

I hope you are not suggesting this '30 year old document' somehow is credible. The angle that British were 'mistaken' as stated by the announcer flies in the face of overwhelming evidence (direct & indirect) that islamic regime was/is the bastard child of the U.S. lead coalition and with implicit understanding and agreements of various factions. U.S. can create the same BS leak with Iraq & WMD fabrications 25 years from now and pretend like no one really knew it was a facade & pretext for war.

If anything, this 'leak' indicates that their bosses have had enough of IRR and positioning for new China policy & post IRR has begun. Hopefully, we have learned a thing or two over the past 32 years.

As for Milani; he produces some substance but impartial or unbiased, he is not. 

OKtaby

IT IS IMPORTANT FOR IRANIAN TO KNOW THIS

Well we all know who financed the akhoonds and others, it wasn't only american or the british, or russian, or other arab countries, it was all united to destroy our country and every one of these countries and our own people had ow resaon and Well we all know what was all those reasons were.The question is what should be done after all we have more information and knowledge now? 32 Year we know more or less what has been done to our country and the nation and why is that there is not much of unification? isn't time that we should stop blaming eachother and joing eachother for correcting 32 year of fuckup?

"Ghasd-o-Amd"

The interviewer asks Milani the main question: "what was Sullivan's interest in believing what he was told about Khomeini?"
But Milani decides not to answer that question since it would be against his interests. He wants to convey that Sullivan and American administration were for democracy in Iran." What happened to oil or American/Israeili interests in the region?  Which one of the so-called US allies in the region has the slightest resemblance to a democracy even though they receive billions in US aid? Does US care as long as they further its interests?

As usual, Milani is full of it.

They had to talk to Shah's boss....

I haven't seen any wikileaks document on this account.  I also consider Milani a charlatan, he would be the last person I would seek his opinion on something.   Regardless, everyone and their grandma knows that Shah's regime was a US stooge.   The folks in the revolution were about to overthrow the guy.  They had to make a deal with Shah's boss  (US) to ask him to leave the country and come to some sort of compromise with US about the future.   They had to assure US that overthrow of Shah would not mean a rise in Communism which was the main worry of US in its conflict with USSR.    Without that compromise,  it meant more conflict and bloodier revolution.  What about that is knew?

AM’s FOLLIES!!!

Is not it preposterous that a so called “intellect academia!!!” does not first rise the below question:

Why is that US as the so-called “democracy frontrunner“so much fond of “secrecy” & of suppressing “the public right to know” information??? Would the war in Iraq among many other wars, for instance, had taken place if the public would have had known what they later learnt about all the pre wars' “behind the scenes' secrets”??? All these “after the effects” Wikkileaks’ stuff prove nothing but the “Stalinist’s” system vulnerability to sophisticated hackers & then become like “lollipops” for suckers like AM to “lick” them. Lick them good!!!!      

MasoudA

Even Americans admitted that Ghotbzaeh was working for CIA. About Yazdi, I remember once during the early months of the Revoltution, Yazdi was quoted in Javanan magazine that , America zeerabe shaho kesheed and then he corrected himself and said, Manzooram eeneh ke ma(melate Iran) enghelab kardeem.

Yazdi had a mission from CIA to get rid of all the people who might be dangerous to the new Islamic regime. He was behind all those fast serial executions of intellectuasl, officiasl and Army officers. He got into disagreement with the regime for the first time when the U.S embassy was captured by the revoltutionary students.

Statira

Just because Ghotb Zadeh, Yazdi, .......Soros and ......live in America does not mean they are American spies.   In fact they are mostly anti-American spies - or to be kind to them lobbyists 

Allahazrat Taziamehr Khomeini

was a good description of this (Jorsoomehe fesad va nekbat).

Even back then everybody knew that Ghotbzadeh, Yazdi and Beheshti were American spies. Now add to that black list are Sanjabi, Bazargan and definitely more people are gonna be revealed.

Wikileak founder is a hero.

افسو س

If there was freedom to read books without getting arrested during Savak, we could be in a better situation.

Good question?

American, British,German, Israelis, Russian even Arabs who are ruling the country now, do what is in their interest, not thing new about that.

Why our intellectual(who act as if they knew Iran’s history) give away the country to illiterate Mullahs?

James Blitz on UK blunders over Iran in 1970s (Finantial Times)

VIDEO IN LINK BELOW: 

Howthe UK got it wrong on Iran…in 1979 (Financial Times)

Dec 14 2010  For the first time under the UK’s 30-year classification rules, a “secret and confidential” paper reveals just how flawed UK foreign policy and intelligence was on Iran in the lead-up to the fall of the Shah in 1979. From a high-level diplomatic inquiry headed by Nicholas Browne, defence and diplomatic editor James Blitz discovers why the UK and US failed to see the coming Iranian revolution and what lessons can be learned for today.  (2m 49sec)

Sure - it was all America!!!

Mr. Milani - I notice you have very little to say about the roles of the British and the Russians in Iran's revolution!!!  This whole wikileaks thing is nothing but a campaign to dump foreign policy faults and defaults on America!!!  in order to keep the status quo going on for another god knows how long.......

Dear members - Please be alert - there is a deliberate campaign which has been ongoing for at least 20 years to make America appear as the MAIN entity responsible for Iran's revolution.   What happened in Iran was the result of decades of planning and placement of individuals.........Yes the Idiot Carter and his admin had small roles......but the main planners and players were the Brits and the Russians - while both Iran and America lost.......

don't be fooled. 

Would we learn from this lesson??

30 years of theocracy! Did we learn  lesson from it?.  Are we willing to stand up, speak our mind, question Islam and religion, even bad mouth it.  I am for ever indepted to the likes of Abdullah Entezam, when even at the height of power and being connected to Abouzar Ghaffari, questions Islam in silence by continuing to be a Dervish (a form questiong Islam and douting its effectiveness).  To the day we can defeat Islam.