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Who is worse

we can debate who is worse: The Arabs; the Brits or the Mongols. I guess each of us have our favorite.

• Arabs tried to destroy our identity
• Mongols murdered our people
• British divde and conquer.

Why chose? Damn all three of them! Really I mean it. The point is that Iran has had a lot of enemies. We must oppose them all! Why survive one disaster to be killed by another!

In the present Mongols are not an issue. Islam is a very big  threat. British are also a problem and a serious one . BBC is 100% active with the Arabs in trying to rename the Persian Gulf. We must never allow our opposition to Arabs to make us forget the other threats. The biggest threat however are the misguided Iranians who put Islam and Arabs first. They are a far worse problem than either Arabs or the British.

VPK

Lastly,

The Arab influence, through Islam, was nearly successful in erasing our Persian identity, until the works of some great men like Ferdowsi, who tried so hard to write his masterpiece, Shahnameh, in original Persian. Was Ferdowsi a freaking racist, for Chrissakes? The Islamists have tried so hard to erase our Pre-Islamic culture -- they even tried to sack Persepolis, eliminate Norouz and Chahar-shanbe Souri, etc. Are the Arabs/Islamists racists???

Yes, the Mongols killed more Iranians than the Arabs -- in fact, the population in Iran did not reach it's pre-Mongolian levels until 1956!!! That means it took some 600 years to reach the same population we had before the Mongols invaded Iran! But their influence is pretty much gone these days, other than the presence of slanted-eyes in parts of Afghanistan and Uzbekistan. But that's not the concern here. The concern is the DILUTION of our Persian identity, i.e., culture, customs and language.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT SKIN COLOR!!!

This is about preserving Persian language and Persian culture! Are the Mongols trying to rename Persian Gulf? Did the Mongols attack Mehrabad Airport on September 22, 1980? Did the Mongols use Chemical weapons on us? Are the Mongols trying to re-name Khuzestan into "Arabistan"? To this day, we're under attack from Arabs and Islamists, at times a hot war (Iran/Iraq) and always at least a cold war.

Our IDENTITY is still under attack from the Arab invasion! Why do some people try so hard to not see this FACT???????

Iran is a prisoner of IRI 

One more thing...

Mr. Zer-Zer writes,"Second, you single out Arabs. If you are such a nationalist, why aren't you posting the same stuff about the British?"

Why?

Because the British didn't leave behind their bloody Trojan Horse, i.e., the satanic Quran! The British came and went, just like the damn Mongols, Macedonians, Afghans, Russians and the rest. Yes, the Brits have always been the sponsors of our Ulama, our greatest enemies, but that, too, can be traced to the Arabian Trojan Horse.

It all goes back to Qadisieyeh! DO YOU HEAR, clown? Islam is our weakest link, and the British are smart. They manipulate our weakest link, our backward religion against our national interests! The weakness is a product of 1,400 of superstitious fairy tales and bedouin balderdash, imported from the desert of Arabia, not the English Channel!

DO YOU HEAR?!!

Just take a look at our language, for Chrissakes! How many Arabic words have been imported into our language because of Islam and the Arab invasion and how many English words have been imported into our language because of English interferences?

This is a disgrace to our heritage! Why should we be ashamed of trying to preserve our original Parsa heritage? Why should we be ashamed if we want to preserve our original Persian language? Would you be happy if we become like the Egyptians and adopt Arabic as our official language? The Egyptians had their own unique language, as did the Lebanese, the Palestinians, the modern-day Iraqis, but today, they all speak Arabic, and as such, are included in the Arab World.

Is that what we want, to be melted into the Arab world? What's wrong with tyring to preserve our Persian heritage and identity?????????????????

Iran is a prisoner of IRI 

Israel loves IRI to stay

When we side with Israel we must understand that they are not on our side and in their own self-interest would like a weak and isolated Iran. IRI has been nothing short of a gift to Israel and existence of such loud hallow drum has allowed Israel to undermine the human rights of its neighbours and ignore the international law, yet still enjoy an unfettered support from world powers.

Unfortunately I cannot think of any other country who would like us back on our feet. Arabs would like us weak too and those who call them our brothers have forgotten that Arabs are also afraid of a strong Iran. We are in this alone and can only rely on ourselves. So let not be divided.

I have read almost all comments in this thread and think Bughzan brings a good deal of sense and fairness into this debate and its unfortunate that some of the most patriotic members here in their anger have dismissed his views. 

Not US, Nor Israel, Nor Arabs, Turks or anyone else would act for Iran's interest. It would be delusional to expect that. There is only one nation who cares for Iran. We better to listen to each other.

COP, well said!

"Did the Brits burn those, did the Americans? NO, Arabs did. Perhaps you'd have preferred for us to be speaking Arabic, instead of Parsi now...Where do you put your priorities? Iran or Islam, which is first for you....whoever you are today?"

Iran is a prisoner of IRI 

buzgan

One more thing: I have said far worse things about the British than Arabs. Go dig in my posts if you really want to see the fuury of my wrath. The Brithish are 1000 times worse than the Arabs. Plus they are Arayns!

bugzan

Just one reply for now:

Regarding my DNA test. If you don't understand a joke then you need help. Do you think there really is a DNA test for Aryans? 

this user ID "Gooz zan"....

he is here 24/7, doing "zer-o-zer". do these people get paid by number of words? Do they have a bonus system?

VPK-kabutar ba kabutar, baz ba baz...

...konad hamjens ba hamjens parvaz!

Or as they say in English, birds of a feather flock together! You and this Boom guy are doing a fantastic job of patting each other on the back. He is even a few notches more of bigot than you, and you know the old adage: "ankas keh nadanad va nadanad keh nadanad..."

So, I'll only address your remarks. Here are a couple of your posts on this same thread:

I've seen even more damning posts by you, but I don't have the time to give you a full report. Plus, I think you're trying to muddy the water and confuse the issue, and I'm too smart to be dragged into that. I will post this last remark to you, only because I don't think you are as unreasonable as some of the other ultranationalists here.

The two posts from you, if not openly racist, at least carry a strong racist tone. I bet you wouldn't be writing stuff like this if you were posting under your real name. The strongest indication of your racist tone is that you blame all Arabs specifically, for Iran's problems. Are all Arabs a threat? Do they all want 'moft khori' and plunder? That's even silly. Have you met all Arabs?

Second, you single out Arabs. If you are such a nationalist, why aren't you posting the same stuff about the British? I'm not telling you to do so, if you did in the same manner, that would be racist also. But, the British have done their fair share of plundering in Iran. In fact, if you have read history of modern Iran, you would know that they were instrumental in promoting the current influence of clergy in politics even beyond what it was before their arrival.

Finally, remember that the Aryan brotherhood also does not think it's racist. They only want to put whites first above all others. You don't have a white hood at home by any chance, do you? Just, kiddin'!

Now, you keep tossing this Aryan thing around. Please, read this and then spend some time doing your own research. It's true that Iran means 'land of aryans' or more accurately 'arya land'. I have used lower case for 'arya' on purpose. There are other names that also carry this older meaning. Such as, 'Iraj' or son of Iran, and 'Turaj' or son of Turan. See the epic of 'Arashe Kamangir' for more on those.

The whole Aryan race idea, came about from Max Muller's interpretation. You have to keep in mind that Muller and others were carrying out their "academic" work at a time when colonialism was well accepted. The British had colonized all of India and they mostly justified that on a racial ideology of superior Europeans bringing culture to the backward Indians, Persians, Chinese, etc.

To clarify what the misconception of these colonial "academics" was I will give you an example. Suppose that English dropped from usage till only a handful of religious text remained, plus some oral traditions. Then you found an inscription on a monument that read "informed people built this monument." How will you interpret that? Are you going to translate "informed" as an adjective or a known that is the name of a race of people?

Muller and his contemporaries did the latter. And, it was eagerly accepted in European circles. After all, if the British have their boots on the neck of Indians and Iranians, justifying it based on racial superiority, they can't admit otherwise. It was perfect, the white European Aryans had invaded and conquered present day Iran and India!!! They needed to do this, because their was plenty of evidence that showed that the indigenous cultures of that region were much older and sophisticated than that of the European imperialist.

The latest stuff that I read a few years back shows the really old sites such as 'Mehrgarh' show evidence of home grown city planning and advanced agricultural techniques dating back to 8000 years ago, and are completely homegrown. You have to look into this yourself. I won't get into the Sumarian story now.

The point is that the word 'Iran' means 'arya land'. And, 'arya' means noble, civilized, or learned. It shares the same root as the English word 'art'. That root means 'to assemble skillfully'. The ancient people of Persia were a mix of many tribes. Today, there is no real evidence of a distinct race called 'Aryans', and certainly the 'Aryan Invasion Theory' has been debunked. If anything, flow of culture was the other way, from Iraq/Iran/Pakistan/India into Europe.

You assume that I am any less passionate about Iran than you. I'm atheist and very much in love with my motherland. But I see my heritage not in boastful proclamations of a defunct European theory from the colonial period. I don't think people of 'arya land' would be so intolerant that they would call all Arabs 'moftkhor' or that they would close their eyes to the plight of Arabs today, just as we did not close our eyes to the plight of Jews half a century ago. The choice is yours. But regardless of Aryans having existed or not, your posts do not reflect the true meaning of the word 'arya', which is 'noble and educated'. Best of luck! 

Bughzan, don't try so hard

Take these for example:

"Some of the stuff you have written (you meaning the racist clan altogether) are insulting to Muslims as a whole."

Well, most of the things that Muslims have perpeterated in my motherland are insulting to me, tit for tat, they say, no? 

or

"If you are polite and interested, you can ask me and I will give you a short synopsis."

ehh, condesending, aren't you?

Dude, don't try so hard to seem like the person you are not. insulting to Muslims? What about insult to our heritage and the fact that we have nothing left of our pre-islamic culture? Did the Brits burn those, did the Americans? NO, Arabs did. Perhaps you'd have preferred for us to be speaking Arabic, instead of Parsi now.

BTW, do you go on Arab.com and tell them not to be hateful toward Persians?

Where do you put your priorities? Iran or Islam, which is first for you....whoever you are today? (porfossor, that be you, you nutty PORFOSSSSSSOR????)

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IRAN FIRST

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Seyyed ali: At last from the horse's mouth and not it's rear end

I was so bored of hearing all this zer-o-zer from your rear ends with user ID's like "iran-military forum" (whaaaaaat???). Now I am hearing it from horse's mouth. I look forward to more comments of you my rahbar. Thank you and may your velayat last and your money flows a few more years and your for our collective entertainemnt on line. 

ما خوف نداریم

                                              بسمه تعالی

Responses

Boom: Thank you for your kind words.

bughzan: Much of what I am saying is no different from Cyrus. Lets go over each:

• I said I am an Aryan. So did Cyrus as I posted. There is nothing racist or wrong with this. It is a fact simple and true.
• I am perfectly supportive of Iranian Arabs who put Iran first. I support those who fought on Iran's side against Saddam. However I do not turn a blind eye to the fact that many Arabs specially non Iranians ones automatically supported Saddam. This  even though they knew that Saddam was the aggressor. They knew that Saddam was using chemical warfare. They are the racists who picked a side not based on "right" but based on "race".
• I have always been tolerant of all cultures. I am only intolerant of those who want tobelittle Perisan culture which unfortunately Islamists are.
• I do not want to drive a wedge between people of Iran. The way for driving a wedge it by elevating Islam and Shiite above others. This is what Islamists are doing. How do you think Iranian Sunni;Zastoshti;  Jews; Christians; Bahai; Atheists feel about being second class citizens.
• Iranians are welcome to be anything they want. However Islam instructs people to show very bad behavior towards non Muslims. I know this by personal experience not from Western pundits. How about "najis"! I know an Iranian Jew who told me some Muslims would not touch a plate he had eaten from. They did not even like to touch him because he was "najis". That to me it real intolerance. Face it: Islam is intolerance no way around it. 

I have posted examples of Muslim racism and discrimination many times. If they want to treat others fairly then I will treat them fairly. If not I am not going to be their "dihimi". The same goes for Arabs. If they stop trying to rename "Persian Gulf"; stop treating Iranians like shit; then I will be fine with them. But it was only 30 years ago that they wanted to take over Iran. Right now they want to rename the Persian Gulf. No more of this. Why should we turn the other cheek. Time for equal treatment for all.

VPK and COP

FANTASTIC thoughts and comments!!! You both made me proud, truly! Great job! This clown thinks it's racist to try to preserve one's original heritage,  and ours has been under attack since 651 AD, Qadisiyeh. No one here is saying we are better than Arabs, which would be a racist thing to say. We're just saying we cherish our culture and want to preserve it before it is diluted so much that it begins to resemble another culture -- that's all. And because of our proximity to the Arabs and because of their belief system (Islam) being the dominant religion in Iran, our ***original Persian culture*** is constatnly under attack, specially by the Ulama and their bazaari backers.

This joker sounds so much like a 1970's style wanna-be "an-tellectual."

Sickening.

Iran is a prisoner of IRI 

Cyrus the Great

Says:

Adam Parsa Parsahaya Pusa, Arya Arya cisa

Meaning:

I am a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage. 

Now I am not elevating a race. I am just sick of others trying to put it down. Do you see the difference? The non stop attack on the Persian nation is making me sick. The worst of it by misguided "Iranians" who bow to Arabs while spitting at Iranians.

We are not Germans; we did not start the Nazi party. We are not responsible for their acts. We do not owe the Arabs. We do not share their guilt. If anyone it is the Islamists who are out to boil and burn others.

Anyway, I am sick of this discussion. You want to apologize for being Iranian: be my guest. I do not share your guilt. Payandeh Iran; Payandeh Persian Gulf and Persia; all of its history and pee upon the damned Arab  invaders and their servants.

Proud Aryan: VPK.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt...

I thought you may actually believe in some of the stuff that you say, that's why I gave you benefit of the doubt and assumed that you may want to tone down your racist/ultranationalist tirades. Hence, the suggestion for you correct your thinking. But, you absolutely don't have to. You have the right (and I for one will defend your right) to spew as much hatred as you like. I also have the right to call you a bigot. All this "Arab blood" stuff that smells of the Nuremberg rallies is not doing Iran any good. Do you want to change Iran and get rid of IRI, then be pragmatic about it. Leave the race crap out. Criticize IRI based on its actions sans all the Arab this and that. Plus, aren't you painting the Middle East with a wide brush? Are all Arabs living off of oil alone?

Do you want to take pride in being Iranian? How about remembering the ways of Cyrus the Great, respect and tolerance for others. How about remembering the motto on the entrance of the UN building: "Bani adam aazaye yek digarand, ke dar afarinesh ze yek goharand". How about remembering that poem was written by a Persian, Saadi.

Finally, if you do give up your ideology and become pragmatic, you would see that the solution to a democratic Iran is bringing her people together, not driving a wedge between them. No matter what you will do, there will always be some Iranians who will be Muslim. Stop using the vocabulary of the Western pundits. Some of the stuff you have written (you meaning the racist clan altogether) are insulting to Muslims as a whole.

bughzan

You do not even know me so what do you know of if I am a bigot? 

You would just have to get over your ideology to correct your thinking. 

Who the hell do you think you are to "correct my thinking". You sound a lot more like the Nazi than I! You are the one who wants to correct people's thinking.

The Islamists use "white guilt" to push their agenda. I have none of that and it don't work with me. I am proud of my heritage and do not run away from my race. You better get used to it as the post WWII white guilt is going away fast. No more giveaways or handouts. No more bending over backwards for moftkhor Islamists. 

Very soon the oil will be replaced with alternative fuels and the Arabs will have to get jobs! Boy that is gonna be sweet to watch. Better start going to school and get  education. How will they pay for their radical Madressas!

VPK

Racists: Call a spade a spade!

I did break it done for you in my comments below.

If it quacks like a bigot, it is a bigot. You would just have to get over your ideology to correct your thinking. Yes, Arab armies invaded our land 1500 years ago. So did the British and in the neoimprialist manner, the Americans. Does that mean Iranians are justified in hating all Arabs, Brits, and Americans?

This is elementary stuff. Only a mind fossilized in a false impression of the past would fail to see that. And as I said, if you claim to be Aryan, then you should at the very least read the latest academic work on the Aryan story. If you are polite and interested, you can ask me and I will give you a short synopsis. But you should never take anyone's word for it and do your own research. 

Racist

Folks in the mind of Islamist words have different meanings than normal human beings. To an Islamist racist means anyone who fits the below:

• Refuses to acknowledge and submit to the supremacy of Arabs
• Refuses to throw away their preIslamic identity
• Refuses to  submit to Islam 
• Puts love of Iran above Arabs
• Does not hate Jews
• Is not obsessed with destroying Israel
• Prefers to speak their native tounge over Arabic
• Puts their own people  above Palestinians
• Has anything good to say about Persia

VPK

The use of the term racist

has proliferated recently.  Newcomer bughzan uses this word extensively in his debute post below.

Welcome!

Can you enlighten me as to what "racist" refernces were made here by those who have acknowledged their ancestory as Aryan and not Arab? If we reject the invaders of our land instead of the traditional embracing that has occured - and is occuring - for the past 14 centuries, does that make us racists? It's a fight for the survival of our heritage and culture........We are not passing around noghl-o-nabaat.

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IRAN FIRST

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Desperate Rebuttals...

The last rebuttal of the LA fossils is to go berserk and blow themselves up in a frenzy of hate. Iran's problem is Iranians and Iranians' problem is the weakness created in our culture by the bigoted fossils produced in expat communities like LA. These people have every right to express their racial harangue. But, if Iranians are interested in moving Iran forward and creating a healthy democracy, we need to head off the crazies amongst us first. There is very little difference between the damage being done to Iran by IRI and by the Aryan brotherhood often posting on this site!!! We should shame them louder than they preach hatred.

I'm an Iranian and I care about my country. My heritage is Cyrus the Great, the king that is praised in the old Testament twice. He's known for tolerance. If I'm Aryan, it's because of the true meaning of that word. The one that shares etymological roots with words like "art". It's not because Max Muller invented his racial theories centered on the Euro-centric views of his time. The Iranians here who love to proclaim their Aryan-ness should first do a bit of reading. At least, be true to the meaning of the term. "Arya" is an adjective that means roughly "noble and learned". At least, go and learn the current information on the topic! Shame on these racist bigots that drag the heritage of Iranians in dirt in the same manner that IRI does.

Who is

saying anything about Zionism? I don't care about Israel: just Iran! Long live the Aryans! We are gonna kick you out then go rescue Afghanistan from Islam followed by reclaiming Greater Khorasan and Kharasm! All hail the new dawn of the Persian Empire! Run away Mihan Foroosh! (Vatan is Arabi;  Persians say Mihan). 

Children of Koroush rise again!

Khoda; Shah; Mihan!

PS,

Chosen of God? No. Just smarter than you! No need to go to extremes and ask God. You Arab Zads are your own worst enemies. Piroz bad nejadeh pakeh Parsi.

Got it, shmuck?

LOL, Another Zionist(Israeli) acting like Iranian. How pathetic.

Let media free and let the ideas flow and see how the world truly feels about these Zionist (Chosen people from God= Aryan supremacy). Many dislike the Islamic Republic as they don't like a dictatorial system, but generally people hate the evil of Hitler Nazi/Zionism aka Israel. People might dislike a authoritarian system, but they hate and are disgusted by a racist, fascist, and murdering regime that carries the Western democracy (and modernism) sings on its shoulders. No comparisons between a dictatorial system vs a fascist system.

Priceless!

COP writes, "Shut your aabgoosht hole and enjoy the time you have left. When the tides turn, and turn they will, you guys will have to run all the way to south lebanon with your giveh and turbans tucked under your arms."

"aabgoosht hole."

Classic! Well said, friend.

Iran is a prisoner of IRI 

IRI, which Vatan?

Since you identify with the anti nationalist government of the unelected clergy, then your vatan is NOT Iran. You side with the occupiers and rapists. YOU ARE NOT MY HAMVATAN.

Shut your aabgoosht hole and enjoy the time you have left. When the tides turn, and turn they will, you guys will have to run all the way to south lebanon with your giveh and turbans tucked under your arms.

Start training for that long run now. 

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IRAN FIRST

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No, decrepit IRI

Velayat-e-faghigh is Nazism.

Got it, shmuck?

Good.

Iran is a prisoner of IRI 

Note to all Hamvatans

Radical racist here are about a century behind in time. If there is a revolution, these dinasors want a big chunk of a system. These guys are killing and murdering machine that make IRI look like a tender loving care bear. Nothing short of MKO. Kind of like Zionist regime that makes IRI look like an angle.

I bet anything this guy's mom in the video was screwed by SS soldier. He is a Nazi. Zionism is Nazism.

IMF

I don't care how much fu*** DNA of Arabs there may be in me. I disowned them the day they attacked Iran following your brother Saddam. It is not just the genes it is the loyalty. I agree with Boom. Go ask your brother about Khorramshar.Pluis I don't like camel milk or lizard stakes.

PS,

Just got my DNA test back. Pure Aryan 100% grade A! 

Ta chesme IMF-e Arab parast  koor beshe!

Dude, you're in denial...

What a monumental baffoon! This BehAzarin writes, "Well, you are in minority and majority of Iranians care."

Bullshit! No, louder: BULLSHIT! Have you done a professional poll of all Iranians to see if a "majority of Iranians care" about the Palestianians? Or are you just blowing putrid gas out of your gassy pie-hole? Iranians today have so much misery on their plates -- more than their share!!! They care about their own lot, their own miseries, not the godforsaken Palestinians! You're an IRI drone, nothing more! Pathetic. You're probably the alter ego of "IRI" or "I support Khamenei" or "No Fear." Double pathetic.

Screw the freaking neighbors, except some Afghans and Tajiks who are Persian by blood. I don't give 2 shits about the plight of your Palestinians, and I suspect a bulk of the Iranian nation, at this time in our history, feels the same way!

Time to think about Iran and Iranians, period! Now take your gassy pie-hole and go live in Gaza, for Chrissakes!

Iran is a prisoner of IRI 

Hamas is not Arafat.

Hamas is not Arafat. Mahmoud Abbas is Arafat. General public shouldn't be punished for the mistakes of Arafat, Just as general public shouldn't be punished for the mistakes of IRI or Saddam. Crimes of IRI toward some Iranians doesn't justify crimes against palestinians by Israel. As much as the zionists and traitors on this site and elsewhere try to prove otherwise by using force and propaganda. Some say, we don't care. Well, you are in minority and majority of Iranians care. Why not defend what is right for Iran, palestine and others.  Why become a victim of the same old divide and concure strategy?