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iraniandudee

You say other people want the last word but you write three obssessive posts in a row because you cannot accept that your view of women is not shared by other people. You can only give your opinion and that is all. We are all here to do that. I wish you would stop being so insulting to women and using foul words like "whore" . That is sexist language and demeaning only to you.

Women's control of their own sexuality has been a key demand of the women's liberation movement. There is a sexist dichotomy imposed on women's sexuality by society: all women are either a virtuous "Madonna" or a sexually available "whore". Look at the comments by men here just because she is posing in a bikini. Iranian women are still not free to choose how and when their sexuality will be expressed. I hope they will be accepted as human beings and not called names unfairly. It is old fashioned nonsense and downright sexist. It is a part of iranian islamic culture that I dislike - to cover women up and keep them for "ourselves". They should be free to express themselves, even by being a model without having mud slung at them.  

Btw

I personally couldn't give a crap about what women or people in general in America and most of the west do, they can whore their women out as much as they please.

This girl shouldn't be associated  with us Iranians/Persians since she doesn't represent our culture nor our people in anyways, goes for the rest of them also. You have respect, honor and dignity in Persian culture, not lust, explotation, extreme materialism etc... that is present in the American/western societies. Just cause our's not the same as the islamic culture doesn't mean it's the same as the west, or America to be more specific either.

Gavazn

That's very much islamic law which most Iranians don't even follow.

Now I'm gonna let you on a little secret about most men through out the world, THEY DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS IF WOMEN ARE BEING EXPLOITED IF THEY'RE NOT ONE OF THEIR OWN, not rocket science I presume. In a normal and humane society a women should be treated as an equal, NOT whored out.

sag

Stop acting dumb on purpose, you obviously know what I mean yet you rant on cause you want to have the last word. You know, it would show how mature you are by just admitting that you were wrong sometimes, i'm not gonna rub it in your face................ much :D

Btw, I never said all men but most through out the world.

I agree with the broader minds

In Iran women are not viewed as equals and the sight of the hair on their heads is supposed to send us into a frenzy. To quote Persian Queens of a bygone age is not relevant to today. Some of the comments on this page demonstrate the hypocrisy of men. This woman who we do not know is called the most vile names because she is a bikini model, while I bet the majority of those making the comments have bought top shelf magazines to contribute to the demand for pornography. So what does that make You? If you really cared about women and exploitation (though I think the exploitation is both ways) you would not have double standards. Good on Nazarin, I wish her luck. All the Western friends I know would not see her as a slut but just as a model.

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LOL Iraniandudee3

"That's how all men think, not only Iranian men"

Not the ones I know, thankfully ... how arrogant to think you speak for all men.

"Before you make an ignorant comment or judge too quickly read a book and eudcate yourself. "

You mean "educate"? Only a typo I am sure. Well I am a doctor, is that enough education for you? Sadly you only judge women by the ones you have known. Lets agree to disagree and move on.

Sag kochooloo

That's how all men think, not only Iranian men. Again, this is how society has brought up women to be through out history. Men in ever society thought like this because in those times physical dominance spoke louder than words, and in time women adapted to this kind of mentality where they were considered weaker and lesser than men in everyway, in time women themselves viewed theirselves as lesser beings.

In the Persian/Iranian society always had more tolerance towards women, since we had one of the first queens in the world, even under the Achaemenid Persians women were looked as equals.

Before you make an ignorant comment or judge too quickly read a book and eudcate yourself.

Iraniandeudee jan

"women themselves are alot more easier to manipulate than men, again, this is mainly because what mentality society has produced through out history for women. They themselves see theirselves as less than men in most countries, especially in the west/U.S and Islam/Arab nations. "

This comment says it all about mentality of iranian men ... I give up!

sag koochooloo

Just as Vildemose said, Women are very much oppressed and basically forced to behave and dress in ways in both America/West and the mid-east societies cause they will be shunned out of those societies or looked down upon. Both of these things are useless. I'm all for having freedom for everyone, but at the same time I expect the governments and the society in general to not encourage negative ways of living.

This is why I believe the actual Persian/Iranian way is the best, not the sharia based islamist one nor the Americanized western one.

Further more, women themselves are alot more easier to manipulate than men, again, this is mainly because what mentality society has produced through out history for women. They themselves see theirselves as less than men in most countries, especially in the west/U.S and Islam/Arab nations. So women need to be alot more cauitios, cause I'll admit, men are only looking for one thing, espeically in America as far as i'm concerned.

@obama

Is she mexican?

making fun of Lors is not ok, stereotyping mexicans no problem?!!!

sag koochooloo: Yes, they are

sag kochoolou: Yes, they are not forced but there are hidden and insidious societal pressures and invisible peer pressures all over the media, diet industry, fitness inustry, model industry and so on. As a young female teenager, you feel all those pressures to conform to the so-called norm of the society; hence, anorexia, obsession with plastic surgery, working out,  dieting, etc. 

Vildermose

Women are not forced in the West to do anything. People still go round in hijab in Europe and their freedom of choice respected. Those who feel pressured lack confidence, that is a personal issue.

Obama: with all due respect,

Obama: with all due respect, what's degrading to women is your attitude toward women. Your view of women as a particular female organ that needs to be covered displays your utter lack of respect to women as human beings with working brains who are not here on earth just to pleasure men...

Iraniandudee: I agree. Women

Iraniandudee: I agree. Women are oppressed in Iran by being forced  to cover themseleves and in the West by having the pressure  to take it off as much as possible. Both produce equally oppressive to women's identity and psyche, namely, a vagina for men's pleasure and nothing else.

Iranian men!

"This is the war that the west has started with Iran! ... We need to fight back and prevent the expolitaion of women!"

This is a naive comment. Most (not all) of the women who become models do it out of own choice - you simply do not understand that women exploit situations too. You do not give women any credit for intelligence, still seeing them as things that are led by others or manipulated. Thanks but no thanks. Women will decide and make their own choices.

"We as Iranian pride ourselves as much deeper than showing only our skin! This is a common problem in today's western culture. Do we want to go backward? This is degrading to women!"

Your idea of "We", "backward" and "degrading" is your opinion as a man from a certain culture. Please accept that you do not speak for all Iranians or emancipated Iranian women. People like me do not advocate women to go and become bikini models, but make the point that women should have the freedom of choice to do what they want. Be it a brain surgeon or a model. There is nothing backward about being a model or the Human Body. You are talking as an old fashioned Iranian man.

"people who speak ill of their culture haven't truly experienced the garbage that America's society consists of so they have no idea how effing good they have it"

Well go back to Iran then and leave people who appreciate freedom to live in America and enjoy the opportunities it gives. At least they do not stone women in America and they are treated as equal human beings .

obama

I know man, the people who speak ill of their culture haven't truly experienced the garbage that America's society consists of so they have no idea how effing good they have it.

Pers... it is not about freedom, it's about being superficial

and shallow! We as Iranian pride ourselves as much deeper than showing only our skin! This is a common problem in today's western culture. Do we want to go backward? Beauty comes and goes what remains is your soul and values! If you don't understand it, it is not your fault, it is the fault of the society that you lived in for so long.

This topic needs much more than a posting to discuss. Therfore, it would lead to misinterpretation of my position. I was a prfessional fashion potographer in my youth, and I know about the industry. That is why I have come to appreciate my culture and values after witnessing many problems that is caused for models and the society!

I am very proud of my culture and I don't want a few people become a role model for our girls. This is degrading to women! I have daughters, sons and sisters too. After all, the west is only interested in exporting and exploiting our people, and sex is the best and easiest way!

This is the war that the west has started with Iran! Unfortunaltely, the IRI is not helpful either! We need to fight back and prevent the expolitaion of women! When you have your own kids, you might understand it. Or you may not based on your values that might be different than mine! peace!

Confused

I'm surprised at the people who attack the women who wear hijabs, but when it comes to women like these who act and dress like this everyone says it's alright, or it's her choice. Well let me tell you something. Both the women who chose to wrap theirselves in tents and the one's who chose to be half naked and viewed nothing more than a tool to be used for other people's pleasure are fooled by both societies into doing what the men prefer them to do and dress the way they want them to dress. Non of this is fit for a normal society.

Why can't women and men just be normal, or is that not possible?

PERS66

You're mistaking the heavily Americanized parts of Tehran with the rest of Iran.

U 2

thanks for interesting discussion. :-)

Dear sag koochooloo

I wish you a nice weekend.

Dear Comrade

I see the point you are making. It is a shallow industry, I agree, but we will always need models and ideals of beauty. I agree things need to be improved, many of the girls become anorexic and get into the drugs culture. But most of the clever ones know that the career has a short life span, so they also continue education so they have something to do after age of 30! However I do not think we can categorise all into the drug addict/ slut category.  But totally understand where you are coming from. Thanks for your post.

Dear sag koochooloo

This might help. I hope!

Dear Comrade

I do not understand what your distinction is by "posing for the camera, and the public in a bikini ". These may be promotional shots for this model as far as we know. People on the catwalk wear ligerie and are in "public" photographers taking photos of them. Sorry not sure what you mean.

sag koochooloo

Wearing a bikini, even a Brazilian type, on a beach as a personal choice, or modeling it for SEARS® catalogue is one thing, posing for the camera, and the public in a bikini is something else. And, please, don't get me wrong; it has nothing to do with sexuality. My objection is to the exploitative nature of the "business".

I hope my position on this issue is clear, now. 

Comrade

I did not falg your post, but you called the woman a whore. Obviously your comment and assessment was not seen fair by others.

"Now, would you please let the female members of your family, regardless of  their shape, and size, pose ( flaunt, as you call it) for the camera, and the public. Just the way Nazanin joon is doing!   " - if they looked like Nazarin I see nothing wrong with it. People wear bikinis on the beach. This is not the type of model with one leg over here and another over there. She is a bikini model. Like AO said: "I see no problems with this post, or with Iranian women inside or outside of Iran modeling or wearing bikinis" .

In fact many supermodels like Elle MacPherson pose in bikinis and lingerie, and have their own line of bikinis and ligerie collections. These women have fantastic brains as well as bodies, and are great business women. I do not see them as "loose" women or whores. They have personal lives and families and are good role models to aspiring models, unlike the ones I mentioned in the previous paragraph. Unfortunately many cultures have created people with hangups with regards to the human body. 

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macdonnell-douglass

turbines are more of a turn-on for some. what can you do? 

Tahgord jaan

How many times do I have to tell you that it's not "lochtee", but rather "lokhtee".  "Lochtee" is a Navajo Indian word meaning "American who trolls Iranian sites pretending to be Iranian."  Some wise Navajo chief probably told you that many "moons ago".  

As an aside, I see no problems with this post, or with Iranian women inside or outside of Iran modeling or wearing bikinis.   It's their choice.  If you don't like it, bang your heads against the nearest wall.  

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