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JJ jaan, exactly,& hence the difference between Cyrus vs Mousavi

Yes its not about race but ideas, values & vision and thats why the difference between beloved Cyrus(pbuh) & your hero Seyed Hossein Mousavi is not about difference in genes  but difference between, Geniousity vs mediocracy, Taghieh(deceit) vs truth, mastery vs slavery(taghlid), globalism vs tribalism, nationalism vs ommatism, Iran vs ommatestan & so on. So you see its not as how you distort it to get your ohhh i,m such humanist saint sermon . No its not about race but ideas & values of Kiaan vs your haji kebobi heros :). & true, me , you & us have nothing to do with that concept anyways but the least we can do is to achnowledge it with respect & dignity.

Cheers!!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

To Minu Khudemani

Yes, I agree somewhat.  The interview, at times, seems out of context.

Thank you, MG for posting this interview. The contents of the website is quite interesting and packed with 'varying' material and  feasible hypothesis to 'chew on'.

We all migrated out of

We all migrated out of Africa and, as such, we ALL have common ancestors.  We are all the same, and yet different.  While we may all be equal in the "eyes" of God, we are not all equal on this Earth.  Herotodus wrote that the Persians were  inferior to the Medes.  And, yet the Persian Empire was great (at least historically significant and powerful).   Incidentally, it was a multi-cultural society, hence why it was an Empire.  With that said, there is nothing superior about being Aryan.  I am from Iran and yet I am not Persian or Aryan (at least not paternally).  If each of you really examine your genealogy, most of you will find that you are not Persian or Aryan.  The Iranian desire to be defined as Aryans can be compared to a black person's desire to be Nubian (or even more unlikely, Egyptian). 

This interview is distorted

I think
this interview is distorted.

Opinion Dr. Ghiasabadi is something else:

"In this article we put forward a more documented hypothesis that Persians or Iranians did not migrate to Persia with Aryans, but it was Aryans, including native people of Persia or Iran that migrated ‘in Iran’ and ‘from Iran’ to other parts of the world." 

more: Aryans' Immigration in Relation to the Ancient Seas and the Weather of Iran (Persia)

Minu Khudemani

iraniandudee: indo-aryan language group

i think the iranian language group is closest actually to the indian (e.g. sanskrit), with avesta having many common elements. syntactically maybe it works somewhat like the other modern european languages you mention (e.g. ability to create compound nouns and adjectives, like in german and italian, but also like sanskrit, or the analytical nature of the syntax, like many modern european languages), but the vocabulary and historically the syntax are much much closer to languages of india.

not that i can speak a word of persian mind you! just from studying the syntax in a (pathetically) theoretical way.

about dumezil, i just read his article where he speaks about ambrosia about two weeks ago! he connects it with the legend of harut wa-marut, who appear in surat al-baqara (and in a paper i'm writing on now about a story in rasa'il ikhwan al-safa -- that is, if i ever disconnect from ic!).

another powerhouse, probably a student of dumezil, is emile benveniste a distinquished iranologist and researcher of indoeuropean cultural terms and notions. and a world class linguist.

Ethnic jokes

As childish and stupid as it may sound, many of the people in the ethnic separatist movements in Iran are initially put off by the ethnic jokes.  These jokes were systematically started by Reza Shah in order to discredit the higher learning and revolutionary sentiments of Azarbaijan and Mazandaran (closer to the Russians therefore more exposed to western ideas...).  They are just as bad for Iran as the cursing of Sunni Caliphs that was institutionalized and enforced by the Safavids.  We have to stop this as a people.  I suggest to all people loving Iranians to nip these jokes in the butt when you hear them.  Especially jokes about the Azeris since they are insulting their intellect.  Unfortunatley Iran has many enemies and the current regime just keeps feeding the international conspiracy (led by AIPAC and the other Israeli lobbies) to dismember Iran and make it into a fractured state.  It is sad to see that the Jewish Persian alliance that fought the Romans for thousands of years is now forgotten to the point that both nations are vying to minimize the other.  We have the IRI to thank for that.

Question of superiority

Let's say we are Aryans. What does that prove? What do we gain by it? Does that make us better? Stronger? More intelligent?

The problem I have with those who glorify our Aryan heritage is that they think being Aryan is something special, superior, extraordinary.

No one is special simply for belonging to a specific race. To put it another way, everyone is special, whether they have Aryan blood or not.

What makes people special is their good deeds, not their genes.

To be or Not to Be SPink ...

SPink Not Sure You are what I would call a quintessential Aryan/Iranian  ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu2NqfISm9k

To be quite Honest You look Too Pink to me ...

The Fouragere is a Give Away ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARW65OucJnA

LOL

I don't take offence when he says we are not Aryan

That part of the half-truth is right. Since After 1400 yrs of genocide against Medeo-Persian natives, forced migration, forced exodus, forced slavery of millions into Kufeh medina & hejaaz & replacing the natives with migrant invading tribes then Ofcourse we are not of the same stock either physically,culturaly or liguisticaly.

Yet my issue at which I take great offence is when he denies so falsely that such kiaani heritage of Aryenum ever existed at source in ancient Iran. Denying that is denying the legacy & heritage of the original founders & builders of Eran-shahr's statehood and civilization. Thats all.

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

You know, a lot of times I

You know, a lot of times I find quackery funny. But in this case, it's not even worth a chuckle.

I mean, come on: "Iranian" and "Aryan" are basically the same word!  

My great grandfather was a prominent Azeri-Iranian from Tabriz. He was Minister five times over, Speaker of the Majlis and a writer of the 1906 Constitution. I can tell you that our family never considered ourselves anything other than good, patriotic Iranians. And that hasn't changed any with the passage of time, or the transitions of political governance.

What a fraud!

This charlatan says we don't know the Aryan language -- well, we most certainly do! It is the same core language (Indo-Aryan or Indo-Iranian) that has given the world the Persian word "madar," which is "madre" in Spanish, "mother" in English, "mutter" in German, (brother/baradar; dokhtar/daughter; father/futter/pedar/padre/pidar) etc., etc., etc.

This guy is a blatant propagandist, nothing more.

Iran is a prisoner of IRI 

FYI/HISTORY OF IDEAS: Friedrich Nietzsche-Hardship-Zarathustra

The Nazis Got Many things Wrong including Nietzche's Zarathustra ...

HISTORY OF IDEAS: Friedrich Nietzsche-Hardship-Zarathustra-Triumph of the Will (BBC)

Very Much Like Our Own OLAGH President:

SATIRE: The Olagh has Landed ;0) 

and the IRI Apologists:

HOLOCAUST A MYTH: Michelle Renouf on Iranian SAHAR TV

Ahmadinejad's demands for Holocaust investigation juxtaposed with denial of an election probe

Mehdi Karroubi Targets Ahmadinejad's Holocaust Denial

Should That be a reason to Live in Self Denial of our Identity and cultural and ethnic Roots ? ...

Banalization of history By DK

I THINK NOT !

Recommended Readings:

Iranian Diaspora Intelligentsia Unite Against Islamic Republic's Holocaust Revisionism By DK

Banalization of history By DK

Esther's Children: A Portrait of Iranian Jews by Houman Sarshar

Signed, sealed & delivered by Fereydoun Hoveyda. (The former diplomat participated in the drafting and voting of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights)

Xerxes: A Screenplay by Ren A. Hakim in an Interview with DK 

He is Awake: Close Up on Cyrus KAR by Darius KADIVAR

We are Awake by Cyrus

Georges Dumézil (1898-1986)

Probably the most authorative scholar on this subject is French Academician:

Georges Dumézil (March 4, 1898, Paris – October 11, 1986) was a French comparative philologist best known for his analysis of sovereignty and power in Proto-Indo-European religion and society. He is considered one of the major contributors to mythography, in particular for his formulation of the trifunctional hypothesis of social class in ancient societies. More Here

US/Israel paying lots of money to divide us through race!!!

We are all Iranians whether persian, azari, baluchi, kord, lor, bakhtiari even Abadanis! I don't know why this crap makes it here and who is really behind it! It is a cheap video with only two photogrphas! It receives only an F as a research paper!

Don't get too excited about this non-sense! Look at me, I am Tehrani, Parsi, kord, bakhtiari, Lor, tork, which means Irani (Aryan)! It really is not correct when they separate all these baluch, kord, tork, etc as different groups! Which idiot came up with this? We all have the same culture, language and historical background! We just live in different regions. I feel connected to all. It is all about speaking in the same language and being a good human being who cares about others!

I just ignore these radical pan torks! They are so despaerate and are fed by Iran's enemies! They even show the guy's photo from 30 years ago!!! It is a torkish joke! Long live the land of noble Aryans!

Nordic states and their agenda's

The nazis twisted the meaning of Aryan. It's not even used to refer to a race, it just means a noble people. The Iranians/Persians refered to theirselves and so did others to them as Aryans, a noble and humble people with honor.

If you compare the ancient Persian statues to an Average Iranina today, you'll see that they still have the same facial features as they did before (Eyebrows, nose, lips, bone structures etc..). They were never Nordis with blue eyes and blonde hair nor Black, they/we are out own race and people. Further more, if the Iranic/Persian people are related to any europeans at all then it's to the latin Europeans (Italians, French, Greeks, Spaniards etc...) in terms of language and race.

Roozinevis!

This is the second time that this video is being posted!

One should not even dignify such shabang with any response.

I guess the blacks of Nigeria have better historical proof of their identity.

There are tons of material on the Internet to refute this guy's pseudo-science alone.

Hello and bye

Iran is mostly Persian, both culturally and in terms of population.
persians are 65% of the population including sub-groups. Most people no
matter what background they're from consider theirselves Persian,
practice Persian culture, traditions, customs ( nowruz as an example),
have Persian names, eat persian food etc... and most important thing is
that they consider theirselves Persian/Iranian. This is something that
alot of anti-Persian racist Tooorkish facists need to get through their
thick empty skulls. Even the people are mainly Iranic/Persian blooded.

Another example, the azeris themselves are Persian blooded people
mainly of tat Persian background, not turkic, hence why they don't look
aisatic, which is the true TOOrkish race. Even the name azeri is
persian for fire and azerbeyjan for the land of fire in Persian.

Food For Thought ! ?

This is the first time that I have come across this interesting discussion - I hope that others would participate in this thread so that we can have a better view of what actually happened in our land Iran!!

Wrong Site

Dear MG: I and most others on this site agree with you that the whole notion of the Aryan race and superiority is something that was propped up by the Pahlavi regime and has done naught but caused divisions in Iran.  As a mater of fact the Persian speakers in Iran are probably less racially akin to the original Aryans than the inhabitants of the present day Azarbaijan.  For reasons that are outside of the scope of this reply this population came under Turkish influence (Saljuq era) and is today conversing in a Turkish tongue (there are still pockets of farsi speakers left in Azarbaijan).  I gather from your citing of the work by Alireza Asgharzadeh and the exaggerated map of Iran's populations, that you endorse the Azari separatists of Iran.  As much as it pains me to advise you of this is the wrong site for espousing separatist ideas.  The readers on this blog are open minded and educated Iranians (including many Azaris) who are much more interested in unity than disunity and schisms.  If anything the Azeris are the closest to pure Iranians as attested by Kasravi and numerous other authors who proved that the Azeri language is an offshoot of the ancient Pahlavi tongue.  I suggest that people like Mr. Asgharzadeh who have taken the Turk jokes too seriously to read the history of Iran and learn that men like Satar Khan, Bagher Khan, Akhundzadeh, Kasravi, Shariatmadari, Bazargan, Mir Hussein Moussavi and even Iran's supreme leader Khamenei were/are Azaris.  Are we talking discrimination here or are some people just trying to sow disunity?  I can only hope that reason wins and that all the separatists channel their hatred towards love and brotherhood and help in freeing Iran from this latest horde of the Mongols.

JJ, this is the 2nd time in 2 months

You have given platform & featured the same non-factual/stipulative video twice??? & to no other than a youghool dooghool revisionist arabo ommatie & a well known tool of cyber pan-turks on the net.

Amou, whats the infatuation with this video which was posted & featured once already by that turkish lady and refuted at once. Dr seyed hassan abbassi $%^ shishakii revisited. Denying & degrading an ethnic group's heritage in my opinion is classified as ethnic hate speech and thus should sensitize the ohhhh so sensitive arabo ommatie liberal left who only rise up to the occasion & scream racism when God forbid SamSam asks to reform Persian language of foreign content or......

Hence, nevertheless, as not to waste my time refutating the same Arabo ommatie drivel & junk twice,  read the original retort about this IR theorician,  revisionist & his background/motives;

//iranian.com/main/blog/hollyusa-3page1

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia