Anyway

Doctor

It's never too late to influnce someone in a cultural sense. I'm not expecting a slave for a wife, I want her to be educated and succesful if se chooses.
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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

VPK

LOL.

They probably said to their daughter Ajab sha doomadi,

Dokhtaram chi toor kardi.. sheer o meer o hamechi halalet basheh:))

Doctor Mohandes

I agree my friend. I was being light hearted and did not imply a nefarious influence :-) 

BTW: parents were impressed and did approve

VPK

That is Love my Friend.

That is not the same. Had he been influenced by her in anyway he would have not done what he did, He did this outta love.

Parthianshot91 Get a life binim.

Off-topic ranting? Ok. That is the level of respect you show for anyone who disagree with you, i kinda have feeling what is gonna happen to the poor intellectually and culturally and mentally "misguided" young woman who will have to be subjected or rather subjugated by Your Fazeelat and Teachings. May dear god have mercy upon her. Ladies beware!.

Your big mistake is that you think the woman you will end up with is going to be culturally defunct and bi savad. that woud be true of course if your intentions would be to marry a teenager (that is not the case is it now). Assuming that you don't, and end finding someone who is near your age, or a bit younger or older, Well guess what there Suzie. She is done with here main part of Cultural growth and maturation and has developed a full identity of her own so anything that you will, and all the influencing will be tantamount to you depicting yourself as a controlling man. Hala har chi delet mikhad esmesho bezar. She will see through the BS and well, the rest will be history as they say.

I know you will USE the system. You already are. Don't need to tell me twice. and i know that you will not feel gulity about it since that is how suckers do it, and why i would i wanna do anything about it? go crazy. Make all the money you want. Who the hell cares? I mean you could not be any worse than Bernie madoff now , can you ?LOL

Oh so this is all about revenge for you ha? If it was not because of those policies,,, you would not be here and iran? hmm. yeah. USA, yes Great satan, Yes, You made me do it. That is some Good revengeful talk there bro.

You are No american?? Too late for that.

The Mexicans have already taken over. Wake the hell up.

these same "degenerates" issued you your Visa and ALLOWED you in. What a non-appreciative, ingrate, you turned out to be.

Prophet

That's good for you baradar, but I don't think the other dorag Iranian kids will be going.

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Doctor

 Most of your post consists of off-topic ranting. I never said I wanna control someone, but show them the way, educate them about their own culture and heritage. Once someone learns more about their own heritage and culture and becomes more self-aware, they start to build an identity for theirselves, from there on they become alot stronger spiritually and mentaly.

And yes, I will use America's system and economy to benefit myself, and guess what, I don't feel guilty about it, and guess what again, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. If it wasn't for America's policies then i wouldn't even be here in the first place.

 I'm no American nor do I wish to be one of the degenerates, I'm an Iranian living in America and damn proud as hell. The Mexicans are gonna take over anyways in like 30 years, lol.

Good luck with your failed U.S of A

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Talking about

influence: A female Iranian I know of married a French man. Even before they got marred she had him so "influenced" that the dude went to Iran to get her parent's approval :-)Now that really cracked me up.

Faramarz

Naa.. nemishe Jooneh mamali. Bezar bezanamesh... Velam kon ye lahze...de dastamo vel kon dige...eh.

Sarkar  Faramarz e ostovar

what did i say that got you angry? Here we have got a man who is fed up with the american culchair:)) and is of the persuation that the whole thing is banckrupt and beyond repair and this is all due to  meedeea -deereeven effects! Akhe. Ensaf ham khoob chizeisss. All this when he is working and living and enjoying all the benefits of working that comes to him.

Iranian women will always have things to say about iranian men regardless of what we do. that has a tradition longer than the Jewish and the roman civilizations put together. SO ... Fek nakon Ke you can put a stop to it:))

Baz ke dasamo gerefti...velamkon:)

دکتر مهندس

دکمه جان،

همین حرفا رو میزنی که استاتیرا خانوم میگن ما مرد های ایرونی کنس و خاله زنکیم!

بیزحمت صاف بشین و این کلیپ رقص عروس خانوم رو با اون لباس قشنگ یک دفعه دیگه نگاه کن. دست هاتو هم از تو  جیبت درآر. برات حرف در میآرن، میگن بلد نیست برقصه!      

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkv-12PNIIw

Parthian

Also the last paragrapth in your post to VPK , explains in a big way the reasons why you think the way you think

You are looking for the vulnurable kind so you can "control" that person. Sure. You use the term Influence here but who are we kidding here?

I'm a very influaerson, so even let's say the Iranian isn't 100% familiar or practices Iranian/Persian culture, life-style, values etc... I could easily influence her and get her to change her views, like I have with many people in my life, you get my point?

Do you even realize what you just said in these few lines? You want a wife who is 100% familiar with they way "you" want her to be familiar with our customs. Now. every dummie knows that every iranians girl knows at least a little bit about her customs and cultures, But NOO.. You want her to go all the way. LOL. you are nuts. Good luck finding someone like that. You will be laguhed at seriously with the way of thinking that you are subscribed to. especially in this day and age. 

Parthian91

After all that i told you, you are still making the same old assumption? No i do not hang around the older generation, as a matter of fact, if one is wise and intelligent enough, one would not even need to hang around anyone in order to be particularly influenced by a certain POV.

Like i said a zillion times, No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to stay if it is the culture that you hate so much. If you forced yourself to find the corrupt aspects of any culture in the world for any given reason, then of course you are bound to find them.

Yeah. I bet you will leave some tim,e. When you are done with taking care of your IRA's and Real estate investments. You are just waiting for the economy to turn around and get better and when you are done with Doosheedan then you will be on your way. Ha!

Maybe you should stop haning around the "under the 40" crowd too much and refine your attitude and impressions of The american culture.

Parthianshot91

Just to point out one thing:

My kids and I plan to move back to Iran after the Islamic Replic is gone. It will be done in an orederly manner. Not in a rush. But we are all going abck.

VPK

doctor

I wish there was something beautiful in the American culture I could look towards, I truly do, but reality is that the American "Culture" and society is fooked to the core, and it's only getting worse by each generation that passes by. I'm assuming that you hang around the much older generation of Americans.

 Sure, go ahead and look at the positives of American culture (WHERE?), while I look at what America and it's "culture" and society for what it really is, a sad, un-cultured, self absorbed, hate-filled, degenerate society, where people only look after theirselves and theirselves only, it's like a zoo man, and sadly I don't see any positive changes in the future.

OOO also, my parents came here, though I'm going to leave in the future, not for you or your Americans, but for me.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Vieled prophet

 (EDIT)

It has to do with keeping your heritage too. Look, anyone who considers theirselves a true Iranian should and probably is going to return to Iran after this regime goes, I don't wanna stay here for the rest of my life, not to even raise kids here, now you think someone with a non-Iranian partner is going to do such a thing? Give me a break man. I wanna raise my children as Iranians too, not only myself.

Now regarding your American wife, men are usually the one's who influence the women culturaly (To an extent) the vast majority of the time in the relationship, hence when I see Iranian men marrying American or foreign women it's usually the cultured one's while when I see "Iranian" women marrying American or foreign men they're usually (Not all the time, but USUALLY) the minority of self-hating Americanized or westernized one's. I had American girlfriends, but marriage never crossed my mind while being with them, it was just a phase.... and even if they were actually marriage material, good hearted, down to earth, caring, not selfish, basically the whole package, which is rare to find amongst young Americans,  still I would not marry them, not that I look down upon such American women if they exist, it's just that I put my heritage and country before everything else because none has for such a long time, I don't expect all Iranians to think like me, but maybe if more people did then we wouldn't be in the situation we are now in Iran.

  Further more, let's say I find an American girl who's 80% marriage material compared to an Iranian women who's 70% marriage material, I would still pick the Iranian one cause atleast with her I can influence her much more in terms of Iranian culture, values, customs than I could with an American, cause no matter how much you hope to make the American women Iranianified or persified or whatever, it's just not gonna happen, it's very limited, this goes to any non-Iranian partner infact, they might adapt some aspects of your culture, but they're never going to appreciate the culture, values, customs, identity, heritage, or history of your people like an Iranian would, and I'm a very influential person, so even let's say the Iranian isn't 100% familiar or practices Iranian/Persian culture, life-style, values etc... I could easily influence her and get her to change her views, like I have with many people in my life, you get my point?

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Patrhianshot Jan

Regarding marrying other nationals. It do not agree that this has to be a problem. There are two kinds of arguments:

• They do not share our values. That may be to some degree true. It is why we need to be careful that we see eye to eye before marrying. However being Iranian does not mean success. I know at least two fine men who went back to Iran and got married. Then came back and are unhappily divorced in less than 2 years.
• Will they keep our culture. That to me depends on how much does the Iranian parent care. If you care, then you can make it happen. Most Americans I know are very open to Persian culture. Because Persian customs like Norooz are beautiful and naturally appeal to Westerners. It is the Islamic **** that rightfully turns them off. In fact my ex-wife! loved and still loves Norooz; Persian food; Farsi and so on. The main problem is teaching Persian to your kids. Without two people who speak it gets harder.

damn

those Iranian women who marry foreigners, especially Americans. 

@ Red Wine

سلام،
خیلی ممنون. شما لطف دارید :)

Parthianshot91

I do not believe one single word of what you have just said.

You are sounding as if i am just a new comer to this country and have not seen things for myself. well, Partner. You could not be more wrong.

You are Dead set on blaming the media one thing and one thing only and the negative direction that it imparts to the most vulnurable group, have it your way, But i have seen different and i tend to disagree. Frankly, I CHOOSE not to see the crappy side and focus on the more sophisticated side of matters, and i see that i am not alone in that and there are many like me. So that only leaves those who hate America those who while they won't shy away from sucking their last penny, to invest in the future of themselves and their dependents, while keep making a point of their absolute hatred of the culture.

It is a failed society? then good riddance. Just forget about making money and working and rasing a family and Get out. It is that simple.

It is a sick society? Really? The why insist on being a hypocrite and live in it while it disgusts you to the core?

Go back to iran. Today. Not tomorrow, Do it now, what is keeping you?

Na aghaaaaaaa

In harfa kodoome!

Don't listen to Faramarz. Man haghamom mikham assan:)) I mean Bi ehterami and deesrespect too. so. Take that.

Ay nafas kesh !

Parthain

Be patient I am getting to your post in a minute.

:=)

سلام به خاتون خانم جان.

چه قدر خوب که شما به زبان شیرین پارسی می‌نویسید و ما را به این وسیله شاد می‌‌فرمائید.

هر چند که ما در عروسی‌ حضرت عالیه حضور نداشتیم،اما به شما تبریک میگوییم،وصلتتان فرخنده !

چند سالیست که از خوردن گوشت بره و گوساله منع شده ایم اما لطفا سهم شیرینی‌ خامه یی ما را نگاه دارید تا برای مراسم پا تختی به حضورتان بیاییم و در ان شادی کنیم و بزمی بگیریم..

خیلی ممنون فرامرز خان

خیلی ممنون فرامرز خان
جای همه دوستان خالی بود تو عروسیمون :)
من تازه همین امروز با این سایت آشنا شدم. چشم، سعی میکنم درمورد موضوع های جالب اظهار نظر کنم.
راستی این هم ویدئو رقص خودمون هست. اینو ببینید متوجه میشید دلیل اینکه مایکل موقع ورود دستاش تو جیبش بود این بود که رقص بلد نیست و نمیدونست با دستاش چیکار کنه! :))) 

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkv-12PNIIw

یک تبریک به عروس خانوم خوشبخت

عروس خانوم عزیز،

من از طرف خودم و سایر دوستان همفکر و خندان و خوشرو در این سایت، ازدواج فرخنده شما و همسر عزیزتون را از ته قلب تبریک میگم.

امیدوارم که به پای هم پیر شین.

جر و بحث ها ، شوخی ها و ابراز نظر های من و سایر دوستان کار روزانه ماست و به منظور مداخله یا به دلیل بی احترامی نیست.

اگر قبلا به ما ندا داده بودید، هم در جشنتان شرکت میکردیم و هم تا کله سحرپا به پای شما و شاه داماد میرقصیدیم!

امیدوارم که شما هم به جمع خوانندگان این سایت به پیوندید و اظهار نظر در هر موضوعی بکنید!   

یک کلمه هم از زبان عروس خوشبخت

خیلی ممنون از پیام های تبریک دوستان
خدا رو شکر اختلافات فرهنگی و زبانی هیچ مشکلی برای ما به وجود نیاورده و زیر سایه الطاف پروردگار عاشقانه باهم زندگی می کنیم.
از نظر من و همسرم دنیا یک کشور بزرگ است و همه انسانها باهم برابر و برادر هستند. به امید روزی که عشق و نوعدوستی جایگزین تعصباتی که مانع پیشرفت بشر می شوند بشود.

Statira

 You do notice that those people are Iranian men right? During those years, and even to this day still through out the whole world, when a man marries a women of a different ethnicity or nationality it's considered as a victory and a positive acheivment, cause men are the dominant of the group, while if a women does the same it's considered as a loss and looked down upon cause women are considered as the weaker one's, I'm just saying it like how society veiws it btw.

Anyways, I wouldn't even suggest Iranian men to marry a non-Iranian/Persian because if we all think like that then in a hundred years or so there won't be any Iranians left abroad. Gotta think about the future.

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Doc

Of-cource every place has some degenerates and morons, but only in America are MOST, MOST people degenerates, this is again mainly cause of the Media driven culture in America. Whatever crappy culture, influence, life-style you see on the T.v, you'll see it in real life amongst your typical average American. The people follow whatever they see on t.v like a bunch of robots.

It's a failed society man, truly disgusting and sick.

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Faramarz khan

My bad, I correct myself,not all Iranian men are khasis and fozool, just some are like that.

vpk

I think you need to slow down. You are obviously having a busy day being all over the place. so you really are not making much sense.

I respect Your ideas and opinions about america based on what you have seen.

Don'yt take my words out of context like you always do. I never said They never get impacted by the pop. cultures See this? NEVER. so don't use this old tactic on me again. I said there are ways to confront it and MANY, ok? MANY people do, even if  they are from old and downtrodden backgrounds.

Training someone for Marketting purposes a a whole diff, ball game and has nothing to do with  the reality of life. They may be able to sell you a garbage based on their trainings or not, But comparing those techniques with what happens in real life and on what people base their decision Is a totall different thing. I know you are Buisnessman, and you see things in terms of Dollars and everything.

No. If i see anyone of my close relatives or friendsdivorcing i will never think it is fine. and NO. i do not want to dress the same way as i see my buddies do. You see, That is why we  are debating this, because you think since it is all good and well and factual for you, so should be for others!! because you know it all. u have been there and done that so why the hell is everyone questioning it? heck , the coke man or the pepsi marketer guy doesn't, so why the heck this guy on IC does?... that is your mentality here.

may be you should revisit your "by all you see" criteria.

مؤمن، حالا آمدیم و خانوم در آمدش از آقا بیشتر بود

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ABJEEZ Khaastegaari "Arranged Marriage"

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Doctor Mohandes

What gave you the impression that I think I know it all! I am just saying that I have seen a lot of America. 

Regarding KKK & JC. It does matter where people come from. People reflect the cultures they were born into. Not 100% and not always. But there is a statistical correlation that should not be dismissed. Try to sell pork in Saudi and you won't make much money. Try to sell wine in Iran and you will do fine (except for IRI goons). 

There is no question that culture specially popular culture effects people. You may deny this but you will be going against reality. There are whole marketing trainings based on this.  If you see your parents; friends and relatives divorcing then you think it is fine. Specially if you see them do it at the drop of a hat. Or if all your friends dress a particular way you will want to do the same. I don't even know why we are debating this. Just go look at what is on TV; then watch how people act.

Anyway, it does not really matter;  I rather people did not base their lives on this. But by all I see people do.