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Sargord, since we can't

Sargord, since we can't drop an F Bomb here, how about : Fox News, OK, Fox News! LOL :D

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One More Thing

The Littoral states should also commit to the construction and operation of a Ship Canal (along the Manych Depression) from the Caspian Sea to the Black Sea, and thus allow Iran's northern Cities to connect to the mediteranean. It is a very viable project and would benefit everyone; it could also serve as an important geopolitical divide between Russia and the other (southern) littoral states.

The Canal should be operated by a new organization called the Caspian Sea Authority, under the governance of the new Union (MEDIA, of all littoral states) and it should have the right to inspect and regulate all activity in the Caspian (such as protecting fisheries, and the environment - especially from Oil company misdeeds...). BP is a major player in the Caspian....and other companies too have been fined (small amounts) for fairly significant pollution.

This could be a significant opportunity, if only we had a decent government in Iran; and in many of the littoral states that still have puppet presidents for life.

Only One Deal Possible

If Iran gives even one millimeter of its sovereignty (guaranteed over 200 years by international treaties) to any Caspian Littoral state, it MUST in return get a complete comitment to the creation of an Economic and Political Union like the EC of all litorall states (except Russia). Ie. a elected democratic central parliament, a common currency, etc. As in Europe today.

If they want to extract iranian oil and gas - fine, we'll sell them cars, and plants etc.(higher value added products) to buy with their oil money. Iranian firms must also be able to participate in tenders and projects - not just Israeli firms (as today in Azerbaijan). Nothing else is acceptable. I have been calling this Union: MEDIA - which is another term for central (i.e. central asia) and was once used to refer to this region.

Anything else is a complete sell out. and I suspect this regime will sign away Iranian rights. Other littoral states beware, any treaty today will be recinded when the regime is toppled. In any event, this regime has no legitimacy to sign international treaties...they do not represent Iran.

Who is the 'stooge' now?

If Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi were to concede overall control of the Caspian Sea  over to the Russians you can imagine the condemnations and accusations: STOOGE, LACKEY, PUPPET.

Isn't it ironic that during the 'puuppet' Shah's reign that  our territory and control of the seas were secure? Saddam Hussein never dared invade us and the Russians were kicked out of Azarbaijan and Gilan let alone trying to gobble up the Caspian? 

Iran has been relegated to the prostitute client country of the Russian pimp paymasters: use your Veto power in the Security Council and you can have the whole of the Caspian. 

Nuclear energy will become old hat in a number of years. The West and the rest of the world will move on to Solar and more cleaner and efficient fuels. If God forbid, the Islamic Republic  were to still survive by that time it would have stripped the entire country of its assets and flogged them off to Russian, Lebanon, Palestine and the  rest of the Arab world for short term gains. 

The survival of Iran requires the total removal of this stupid regime. Please support military action. 

Sargord, if the Islamic

Sargord, if the Islamic Republic were to sh.t bricks you would embelsih its accomplishment and blow it out of proportions. It is a question of sovreignty and standing up to being bullied by Russia.

Iran has now less control of the Caspian than any of the countries surrounding the Caspian with a poultry 13 percent control of the area. Your beloved Mullahs have allowed the Russians to dominate the Caspian and polute it. You think the building of a floatila will compensate for that loss? 

No matter how hard you try, you and your paymasters occupying Tehran cannot put a positive spin on this sorry situation. 

Read the following article and learn something: 

National Interests of Iran in the Caspian Sea
Bahman Aghai Diba,
PhD International Law of the Sea

//www.payvand.com/news/09/sep/1102.html 

Case in point...

The mouse. lol

and hey, we're talking about a surface ship, not a sub. get an education, will ya? 

Sargord shut your pie trap with your midget & now corvette subs!

Everything is sacred

The second Mowj-class

The second Mowj-class corvette (Iranian designation Destroyer) is being built by Shahid Tamjidi Industries at Bandar Anzali for the Caspian Sea flotilla.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=z65BpyGEpsg

You know, it would be great if you exiles could come up with comments of substance instead of the same old tired anti-Iran rants. But you're incapable, right? 

  The axis of evil:

The axis of evil: Islamic Republic and Russia. To give away Iran's sovereignty over the Caspian were as if it sectioned off a chunk of Esfahan and gave it to the Russians. Stupid Islamists: waste your life fighting Israel and championing Palestinian rights while you sell your family silver to the Russian aggressors. Pathetic stupid people. May an Israeli missile land on your head until you leaen a lesson or two. Even then you will still remain stupid until the end of your days. 

Stupid, Stupud, STUPID people

Source:  //www.irantracker.org/foreign-relations/caspian-sea-states-iran-relations

The Squandering of

gooya news / Javad Taleei

 قراردادهای نفتی ننگين خامنه‌ای و احمدی‌نژاد با چين،

//news.gooya.com/politics/archives/2010/11/113089.php

Authoratative source on Caspian sea

Old spoils and the sea
Diplomatic history of the Caspian Sea

by Guive Mirfenderski

Foreward

Guive Mirfendereski's book is the first study in a Western language to probe Iran's relationship with the Caspian Sea, the world's largest lake. Most Iranians are far more familiar with the Caspian Sea than with the Persian Gulf, yet the body of water that bears Iran's old name has been the object of far more scholarly attention than the big lake in the north that Iranians call the Khazar Sea or, less often, the Sea of Mazandaran. The reason for this neglect is that until relatively recently the geopolitics of the Persian Gulf was much more complicated and volatile than that of the Caspian Sea.

//iranian.com/Books/2001/July/Caspian/index.html

I don't disagree with the 20% proposal, but there's way & then

There are ways and then there are Islamic Republic's ways.  

Everything is sacred

Anonymouse

No argument here, I just stated the facts. Russia did not go after any oil fields during that time, otherwise the equation would have changed and Iran would have claimed her 50% share with US backing. However, time is changed, and I agree and support the Iranian proposal. You may disagree, and that's fine.

Well Dr. Diba said the Soviets and Iran didn't exactly do 50/50

I don't understand the relevance of Lake vs Sea.  Dr. Diba said while the Caspian was a condominium and they were to exploit the resources 50/50 that did not happen.

Soviets allowed a 10 mile fishing zone for territorial purposes and used an imaginery line between the 2 land points of Iran and Iran was operating within those zones.

So what "resources" were to be shared 50/50?  Could Iran go in the middle of the Caspian and start drilling for oil or did that mean there were to be a joint account or escrow and whatever the revenue share it 50/50?  Did they share the caviar and fishing revenue 50/50?

He also said there IS a current regime in place which is 50/50 by name and 10 mile and land to land border in practice.    

Everything is sacred

Anonymouse

During the Soviet era, the resources of Caspian sea was equally shared among Iran and USSR, meaning 50% each and that is one of the arguments: that Iran should hold her 50% and the other four States share the remaining 50% belonging to former USSR.

Russia would like to view the body of water as a sea, and Iran likes to view it as a lake, which it is. And in that case, Iran has a point and strong legal backing of her proposal of 20% each. Fair and simple. If one views Caspian sea as a sea, then Russia might have the upper hand in the international court (Assuming it will not be resolved by the current stakeholders). Since the Caspian sea is not a real sea, meaning it's land locked, then Iran has a stronger case.

Abarmard while Dr Diba article is nice it just say it's a mess!

As JJJ's title asks "Who Owns What?"  WTF is going on over there?! 

Everything is sacred

Khaab didid khosh

Khaab didid khosh baashe!!!

Ahmadinejad and other Top I.R. criminals have already given Iran's share (or very big part of Iran's share) to Russia in return for their support for I.R.'s nuclear program, veto against overall sanctions plus all those S-300 Missiles almost two years ago with their secret treaty in Switzerland!!!! There was a leak about this secret meeting almost two years ago in Europe (mainly in Switzerland)!!!! You think Turkmanchai and Golestan treaties were bad!!! Wait till this one comes out in the open and you will realize how many GODZILLION dollars Iran and Iranians lost, yet again.... 

Iranians at some point MUST understand that the entire I.R. regime is based on lies and operates on lies!! I can't believe there are still people who actually trust these filths and take them seriously after 31 long years of their evil existence!!! Iran and Iranians are screwed internally and externally as long as these criminals are in charge!! All of them without exception... These I.R. criminals by constantly lying about Iran's external interests have been fooling the naive Iranians inside and outside Iran... When are we going to wake up and take our Iran back from these scums of the earth??? When???

Down with the criminal Islamic Republic.

Free Iran and Iranians. 

Thank you Abarmard

for your informative comment.

Caspian as a body of water

which will be a dead sea in the not too distant future.

All the polution that Russia and the sorrounding nations pour into the Caspian sea including Iran, has caused  a great devastation to the ecological system of this body of water. A friend of mine who lives by the sea told me that a few years ago when he took his little girl to swim in the water, she got some type of rash which was blamed on the water polution. He said that he has not set foot in the water since.

I remember the days when the only polution you'd see in that water was the occasional floating turd that was released by the lazy swimmers who thought the sea was their private bathroom. That, however, is a whole different discussion.

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IRAN FIRST

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Take the deal

And avoid complicating matters any further. This ain't no time for Zoor azmayi and Flexing muscles.

Let's stay on as much peaceful terms as we can with our neighbors. Got enough shiout to deal with as it stands.

Abarmard did Iran have 20% before 1979 during 'Soviet Union''?

I think Islamic Republic may be trying to fish in muddy waters and since the breakup of Soviet Union they want to ask for more than they had before.

I don't know all the details but it'd sound reasonable to ask for what Iran had before and leave the rest to the remaining 4 states to decide between themselves.

I wouldn't be surprised if Russia pulls another Georgia with Iran over Caspian, take over what they think is right and leave Islamic Republic to cry foul for as long as they want.   

Everything is sacred

Caspian sea division

I agree with Dr. Aghai Diba:
The present position of the government in Iran is that the Caspian Sea is a condominium, but if it is going to be divided into national sectors, then Iran should have at least an equal share with others, meaning 20% of everything. I think that this is a good bargain for the concerned states. Take it before the option is closed. This option is based on the present political situation of Iran, and it may change faster than you may think.
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As you may know there are different suggestions for the new regime:
1.    Dividing the whole Caspian Sea.
2.    Dividing the Caspian Sea bed and leaving the superjacent waters as common.
3.    Dividing the Caspian Sea according to the rules set forth in the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.
4.    Dividing the Caspian Sea with a modified median line.
5.    Dividing the Caspian Sea into 20% sectors.
6.    Dividing the Caspian Sea into north and south sections first, and then dividing those sectors again among the concerned states.
Source: //www.gasandoil.com/goc/speeches/the_legal_re...