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Simplistic "Cuckoo Clock" Jomhhurykhah Logic at it's worst ...

Come On Fellows do the Brits complain when they celebrate King Hal's 500th Birthday ?

(NOTE: To Watch Video Double Click Here)
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYqGd7FhH6E

This is about our Collective Memory, History and Culture, which for better or worse has defined who we are today. You cannot live in constant self denial and See EVERYTHING IN BLACK & WHITE !

No State be it under a Dynasty, Kingdom, Empire or Even Republic was built without shedding blood.

What amazes me is the naivity of so many Jomhurykhah Iranians who claim to some Moral Superiority when it comes to their views on Royalty in the History of Mankind but Refuse ANY ACCOUNTABILITY for Their Own Republican Outlook particularly when Blood has been spilled in establishing their Ideal Concept of a State:

VIRTUE IN TERROR: Maximilien Robespierre and the Reign of Terror (BBC)

Historians Simon Schama and Slavoj Zizek amongst other historians debate on Robespierre's Controversial Legacy:

Trailer:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=eerWFfKlOSc

Whether we want to admit it or not Nations ARE Built On Blood. That is true whether that Nation is a Republic ( Democratic or Not) Or a Monarchy ( Democratic Or Not).

I would have loved to see a world and Human History built on Brotherly love and Humanastic Virtues ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDplfsZxrbg

But then Might as Well Go for a PhD in Iranian History at Columbia with the Sadri Bros. and Hamid Dabashi :

Recommended Reading:

KNIGHTHOOD : Major 'Billy' the Qajar "Goat Mascot" by DK

Shazdeh Khan

You are not making a very strong case for benefits of Ghajars! In addition neither military nor nationalism were invented by Ghajars. These concepts go back for millennnia. Yes Mossadegh was a nationalist good for him. Too bad it created a vast division which allowed the Islamists to take advantage and gain power.

Also I am not sure what to make of the "Bahai" remark. Faryam already said Hoveyda was not Bahai. Now what is he was? Why should we immediately jump on that.

شازده جون

این مصدقا با این دار و دسته قاطی نکن - مصدق گُل بود - بقیه یکی از یکی بی عرضه تر .. :)‌!

Correction; Hoveyda was NOT a Bahai

Dear Shazdeh,

Hoveyda was NOT a Bahai.; This has been discussed and addressed numerous times; please refer to credible sources for reference.

regards 

faryar :) 

bfarah

Oh that is funny!

You couldn't be more wrong. But hey, I admit that in this thread I'm guilty of intellectual laziness. Not that this is any way uncommon, in a very general sense, here on the IC. But I have to guard against it. 

In my case, I blame a rising sense of boredom. IC really isn't that much of a challenge. This is especially the case after 22 Bahman, when all those unrealistic expectations of impending revolution were flushed down the toilet.

I'm toying with the idea of a break from IC. But don't get your hopes up too high...

For sargord

I don't blame sargord. His mother is from Ghajar and his father is a mollah. What do you expect

BTW - He may lived in the USA somewhere in the south living with an American family.

REMINDER: Qajar Persia the only Asian country not colonized!

Have a look at the Colonial maps, and you can see that Qajar Persia was the only Asian country that was not conquered and colonized by the European powers.

Qajars should be judged in the context of the 19th century rise of colonialism, which devoured all the third world countries in the world.

Qajars may have had many shortcomings, but before them Iran was divided among many brutal rulers, without any real central power and government.

PS: so many of the Iranian notables (good/bad - left/right) came from Qajars

Abbas Mirza (Army founder)

Mosaddegh (Nationalism founder)

Hoveyda (first Baha'i premier)

Eskandar Mirza (Tudeh founder)

Ayatollah Modarres (Islamist founder) ...

توضیح قاجار در مورد سرزمینهای از دست داده

یکی‌ از این شازدهای عزیز در جواب از دست دادن این همه از اراضی‌ ایران توسط قاجار، فرمودند که اینها اصلا فارسی حرف نمیزدند و هیچ گاه خودشون رو ایرانی‌ نمیدانستند و بدتر از همه اینها اصلا ملتهای بی‌ فرهنگی‌ بودند که قاجار ترجیح داد که آنها را از ایران جدا کنند.
 

Dark Side of Iran's History

History is repeating itself, 2nd darkest time in our History after IRR 30 years of destruction and backward barbarian Regime. The Qajars did not leave anything to be proud of.

aghadaryoosh

Good timing. Thanks for reminding and your good advice. I hope all Iranians from every different ethnicity read your comment and stop falling for the same old strategy of divide and conquer over and over again.

Looking forward to "khamenei society dinner"......

held in st petersburg or Bejing, starting  2020! 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

اګر ما با هم متحد باشیم دوباره یکی خواهیم شد

ما برای خاطر دیکتاتوری و بی نظمی و شاید هم ابلهی و شهوت رانی و تمامیت خواهی های مسولین که همراه با دزدی و سرقت اموال دولتی و بی خیالی به مردم و آموزش آنان بود دچار این تجزیه های ناګوار شده ایم  خنګی و خرس بازیهای  کسانی که به عنوان سلطان حکومت میکردند و لی عرضه اداره یک شهر را هم نداشتند و تنها فکر کیف و عیش نوش و ګرفتن زن و داشتن حرمسرا ها بودند  مارا به این روز کشانیده است.  اګر ما سیاستمداران باهوش و دلسوز و معلم های باسواد و خوب داشتیم و مردم ما هم حسود و تمامیت خواه نبودند شاید به این سرنوشت دچار نمی شدیدم  اکنون هم هنوز دیر نشده اګر ما یک کشور سالم و مرفه و خوب و پیشرو داشته باشیم باز  هموطنان سابق ما به ما ملحق خواهند شد  این بار با آغوش باز به میان ما خواهند آمد 

از یه قاجار پرسیدند: "مگه شما غیرت، شرف و مردانگی نداشتید؟"

He replied: "Abbas Mirza had all of those, but Qajar didn't have the Oil Money"!

What Qajar used to be for 140 years, was what Iran had been.

What Pahlavi was for 50 years, was what Iran was.

What Islamic Republic has been for 30 years, is what Iran is.

If the mirror is showing our "true beauty" ... let's break the mirror!

Azarin Jan

If I had the misfortune of having a great great grandma who lived in
one of the Ghajar kings' haramsaras, I'd have kept quiet about my
background! There is nothing to be proud of...

Well said! Ghajars were pretty useless. Iran made no real progeess under them. Shameful bunch of parasites. Glad they are gone.

Qajar Dynasty 140 Years of Waste

No one except these Shazdeh Ghorazehs believe that the Qajars did anything for the people of Iran.  Not one Qajar prince bothered to get educated abroad and only after Reza Shah started to send students to Europe, these people realized that they need an education.  The only monuments built in their time is their palaces and harams.  None had the brains to build hospital or factories.  And worst of all they were so jealous of anyone who did anything positive for the country that Nasser Qajar killed his sister's husband, Amir Kabir.  None could even shine Reza Shah's shoes in patriotism and passion for providing a better life for their people.

And now showing off their pedegree in England of all places.  Once a servant always a servant.

They should feel ashamed of what their ancestors did to Iran!

If I had the misfortune of having a great great grandma who lived in one of the Ghajar kings' haramsaras, I'd have kept quiet about my background! There is nothing to be proud of...

Elegant

مهمانی بسیار شیک و مجلل و غذا هم جاری، زنده باشن چند صد سال دیگه!

فقط چند تا جوان زیر شصت سال هم دعوت کنن که بزن و بکوبی هم باشه!

جوانان انقدر بخورن که عرق کنند و کهن سالان انقدر که جان بگیرند!  

تاریخمان را فراموش نکنیم

براستی هیچکس را به خاطر اشتباهات اجداد نمیتوان نکوهش کرد ولی‌ تاریخ را نیز نبایستی فراموش کرد.

سرزمین های جدا شده از ایرا ن در طول 196 سال گذشته

آخرین نقشه بین المللی ایران پیش از جدا شدن سرزمینهای تاریخی آن ، انتشارات تامسون (1814)

با توجه به تهدید های مرزی موجود علیه تمامیت ارضی ایران بد نیست به این نکته اشاره کنیم که سرزمین کنونی ایران، تنها سی درصد از ناحیه‌ای وسیع است که در تاریخ با نام‌های‎ «ایران‌زمین»،«ایران‌بزرگ » یا «ایرانشهر» و در ‏جغرافیا با نام «فلات ایران» شناخته می شود. ترفند ها و دسیسه های بیگانگان و سستی پادشاهان بی کفایت گذشته بخش های زیادی ازاین سرزمین کهن را در طول فاصله کوتاه 196 ساله از ایران بزرگ جدا نمود که مروری بر چگونگی هر یک از این جدایی ها به رغم تلخی بسیار برای میهن گرایان ایرانی جهت الزام جدیت و حساسیت ما دست کم برای حفظ سرزمین های باقیمانده موجود بسیار آموزنده خواهد بود..

گستره سرزمین‌های جدا شده از ایران در قراردادهای ترکمانچای،گلستان،آخال،پار یس و... به قرار زیر است:

سرزمین های جدا شده قفقاز بر اساس قرارداد های گلستان و ترکمانچای با روسیه(1813 و 1828 م.)
آران و شروان: ۸۶۶۰۰ کیلومتر مربع؛
ارمنستان: ۲۹۸۰۰ ک .م؛
گرجستان: ۶۹۷۰۰ ک.م؛
‎داغستان: ۵۰۳۰۰ ک.م؛
اوستیای شمالی: ۸۰۰۰ ک.م؛
چچن: ۱۵۷۰۰ ک .م؛
اینگوش: ۳۶۰۰ ;ک.م‎
جمع ‏کل: ۲63700 کیلومتر مربع

سرزمین‌های جداشده ایران شرقی براساس پیمان پاریس و پیمان منطقه ای مستشاران انگلیسی

هرات وافغانستان: ۶۲۵۲۲۵ ک.م؛
بخش‌هایی از بلوچستان و مکران: 3۵۰۰۰۰ ک.م؛
جمع کل: ۹۷۵۲۲۵ کیلومتر مربع

سرزمین‌های جداشده ‏ورارود(ماوراءالنهر) بر اساس پیمان آخال با روسیه(1881 م.)

ترکمنستان: ۴۸۸۱۰۰ ک.م؛
ازبکستان: ۴۴۷۱۰۰ ک.م؛
تاجیکستان: ۱۴۱۳۰۰ ک.م؛
‎بخش‌های ضمیمه شده ‏به قزاقستان: ۱۰۰۰۰۰ک.م؛
بخش‌های ضمیمه شده به ‎قرقیزستان: ۵۰۰۰۰ ک.م؛
جمع کل: 1226500 کیلومترمربع

‏‎ سرزمین های جداشده جنوب خلیج فارس بر اساس پیمان منطقه ای مستشاران انگلیس
‎
امارات:83600ک.م:
بحرین:694 ک.م:
قطر:11493ک.م:
عمان:309500ک.م:
جمع کل: 405287کیلومتر مربع

مساحت سرزمین‌های جدا شده از ایران درونی به همراه دو سوم کردستانات (که در دوره صفویه به اشغال عثمانی در آمد و بعد ها در بین سه کشور ترکیه،عراق و سوریه تقسیم شد) به مساحت تقریبی 200000ک.م. و نیز عراق به مساحت 438317ک.م. در جمع حدود 3.5 میلیون کیلومتر مربع بالغ می شود که این مقدار تجزیه یک کشور در کل تاریخ ایران و دنیا بی سابقه است.

irony

too many ironies to post in a comment.

"Why do you want to be happy when you could just be normal?"

So, what part of the country are they planning to

give away this time?  

BTW, the anniversary of Turkamanchai is coming up.  Couldn't these characters have waited a couple of months for their chelo kabob get together?

Very nice

Thanks for posting

awesome

wonder where was my friend REDWINE ?

Maziar

SARGOM

SP why do you hate Iranian? because: 1) you are arab 2) iranaina don't give a bogey about arab 3) iranain smarter than you camel riders , or maybe you and your family just like IR afraid of tomorrow. if you realy think that with making every stupid remarks could change our way of thinking about your beloved IR, I would say good luck , Islamic regime is bankrupt ideology and for sure it is coming to end and it will be part of our dark history and after all we are Iranian and you are not.

"Kalleh - Menar" according to ( Bastanye Parizi)

Agha Mohamad Khan , the founder of Qajar dynasty , plucked so many eyes out in the city of kerman that when placed together on a scale they weighted twenty three kilos .  After the ivasion of the city of kerman , he ordered his men to behead 600 captives . the heads were mounted on the shoulders of 300 other captives , two heads on each captive , and they were all sent to the city of Bam . These poor and moserable captives walked forty leagues in front of the horses with the heads hanging from their shopulders . At a written order from Agha Mohamad Khan , the governor of Bam killed these three hundred men and built with the heads of all nine hundred men a (Kalleh menar) "Minaret of skulls"which stood in Bam 17 years later when the British traveller Pattinger saw it with his own eyes in 1812 ,

        < Bastanye  Parizi- siasate asre safavi>

Sargord Mark

Here we go again! The vanguard of Iranianess Sargard (I'm-American- but-My-Dad-Is-Iranian) sits like Joseph McCarthy on his Committee for Un-Iranian Activities and passes judgements on 'us' exiles.

If we are anti-Iranian for opposing the Islamic Republic and even daring to criticizing its leaders let alone its policies then where do you stand? You say that you accept the IR political establishemnt as you do the US and what the majority says counts. Then how do you justify your opposition to American foreign policy, espeically in relation to un-conditional support of Israel which Gallop and every major poll published says Americans support. Not to mention, of course the suspicion of most Americans to Muslims and to continue the war of terror? In contrast you support the IR foreign policy chapter and verse from the opposition to Zionism and support of Lebanon and those that refuse to support it are 'anti-Iranian'. 

I also have noticed that you do not hestitate to make derogatory remarks about American Presidents such as Bush and Obama who whether you like it or not were voted by the political system you claim to accept. In stark contrast, you have nothing but praise for Ahmadinejad at best or 'cosntructive critcism' at worse.

Your message is strikingly clear: Pluralism is acceptable for Americans but anything less than unanimous agreement with the IR is 'anti-Iranian'. 

Be Patient with SPink he is still in a learning process phase

of Classical Pavlov conditioning:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhqumfpxuzI

But he has good reflexes ... With time and proper medical supervision we may be able to cure his post War Traumas ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FM3Z2NEowo

Well Sort Of ...

LOL 

lol

Yeah, I'm getting lazy. All the anti-Iran commentary here on IC has made me bored with all of this.

I come here to learn, but most of the time all I see are the same, tired anti-Iran mantras.

This is the second time this week I've commented on vids without even watching them. I should just skip 'em entirely.

LOOOOL Is this guy sargord even watching the clips?

its hilarious

a good 30 sec of the clip is abou serving persian dishes. this makes me wonder about the evolutionary difference between a shaholahi and a hizbollahi.

the shaholahi actually watches before starting his pacheh khari while the the hizbollahi doesnt even bother to take a look and goes straight to the bashing!

story of today's expats.

In hope of a Free, Independent, Democratic and Secular Iran

SP, You comments before you watch or read

a blog or video.  They only served persian food indeed.  Did you watch the video?  No, of course. 

Hilarious, the get-together

Hilarious, the get-together is in England. I'll bet they weren't even served Persian food. 

How un-Iranian can these exiles get.

The best of 'em remain in the Meehan, that's for sure.