Iranian of the Day

Sargord, jj

Sargord, you wrote: 

Unconfirmed details from an anonymous source.

Before we get our feathers all ruffled and start clucking away like hens in a hen house, let's first let the actual facts emerge- shall we?

You were right in advising caution, especially if it was about people possibly construing that the death penalty had actually been meted out. This is explicitly stated (obviously unintentionally) in the subtitle above. And although it appeared in quotes on the homepage, it still could have led people to that conclusion. (And here, Jahanshah, sorry but I have to say that that was careless and irresponsible, regardless of whether you were swept up by the shock of the moment. As was I, but I am not the owner and I'm not a professional journalist. Now back to you, Sargord, and please read carefully).

Sargord, there was every reason in the world to 'start clucking away' over the mere possibility that the prosecution was arguing for the capital penalty.. I still don't know if it was true but if you were familiar with the case you would have known, as I explained in my first post here, that it was somewhere on the table. If you weren't familiar, well, you should've been.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but Sargord, it never dies, so I am going to refresh your memory about the events of several weeks ago. You accused Jahanshah (sorry, j., this is about him, not you...) of at very least having a bias in favor of Zionism as well as of having had the option to have screened out that IDF -related ad. As is often the case, you were both right and wrong.

I categorically proved to you that the site is not biased pro Zionism by digging up a link to the news section during the invasion of Gaza because you wouldn't do it yourself. And you didn't admit it. But here you tell people not to get 'all ruffled' until 'facts emerge'. At the same time you turned out to be right that the ad could've been screened, but someone else went and found out, because when I told you to corroborate with google advertising you wouldn't do it--despite the seriousness of your allegation. Well, in fact, Hoder just got 19.5 years. As you know. So have you started clucking yet? I wonder.

So let's think about this, 'shall we'?

(As corollary, Jahanshah, I guess it wouldn't really be fair to Sargord unless I mentioned that you never did address that serious issue on Sagord's thread properly. There. Done.)

Robin 

I should apologize to everyone /Sargord, 'jj'

for the extremeness of my comment below. I hope you can understand the extent of my distress upon seeing this. I do want to discuss the Hoder issue and there are--and hopefully will continue to be--ample opportunities throughout the site to do so. (I do have a couple of things to say right here to Sargord--and'jj' as corollary--though). I do still find the relative lack of interest since his arrest through the announcement of his trial until now--a span of almost two years--upsetting and hypocritical in terms of the site membership taken as a whole. But, again, I apologize to any individuals I may have unfairly offended.

Robin 

why was my post deleted?

and exactly why was my post deleted?

too liberal for JJ's taste?

In hope of a Free, Independent and Secular Iran

gesture

i think ic as a cybersite owes it to the ultimate iranian blogfather and most visible and outspoken iranian cybersymbol (sorry jj, no disrespect) not only to voice a tepid sympathy, but to make an unequivocal bid for freedom of bloggery and voice it assertively. and to do this even if ic members are not in love with the nuances and vacillations of the hoder phenomenon.

the world must understand that this regime is threatening to kill a man for blogging. an analog of stoning a woman for 'adultery'.

the ic community -- a community of bloggers -- must symbolically (even at the risk of seeming to go for a mere gesture, such as a petition) distance itself from such a practice, and cannot afford to do an equally despicable thing, that is to complacently condemn hoder to death for indecent exposure, bad etiquette, or inconsistent ideology; if it does so or complicitly wallows in inaction, ic is compromising its own legitimacy, imho.

 i think hoder did some despicable things, just as i have and many of us have,  for which none of us deserve to be put to death. 

please sign, and split hairs later.

ps rosie this is very important, thank you keeping us aware. 

political bargaining, Islamist style.

He is being used to exert pressure on his father who happens to be in so called "reformist, opposition camp". His blogging activity is just a conveniet excuse. Doubt very much if he'd be executed. There are Tens of thousand of jailed  Kurdish, baloochi, student , women and workers activists who "deserve death" many times more in the eyes of islamist regime.

If everyone thinks this is so horrible

how come people had so little to say about it before? Ten weeks ago I wrote a blog about him which  provided many links on about him.

//iranian.com/main/blog/rosie/hossein-derakhshan-hoder

You can see by the counter it was widely read but few people commented. If anyone clicked on one of those links they sure didn't tell me. Humanbeing and Niloufar were there commenting and I had e-mailed them and asked them to. I said in the blog that there was a time when Hoder was still a Reformist and had gone to Israel but his views on Ahmadinejad were changing. And at that time he represented a microcosm of this entire website--of the Greens, the 'pro-IRI' people so-called, and the Those Who Call People Pro-IRI camp. That he was in a certain way you. That HE IS ONE OF US and HE IS ALL OF YOU. And that you all needed to talk about this because it doesn't get any closer than this and the feelings must be so deep yet so ambivalent. You can see only one comment is even really sympathetic (beyond Hb's and Nilou's).And the Iranians of the Day (which I linked) don't show a great outpouring of concern either.

The possible death penalty sentence at the time had not been announced but I was very aware that the charge would involve some kind of espionage which could lead to that. That is what I tried to imply, and did so more strongly in one post to Nilou, but she did not think it would be that serious. I wanted to believe her but I knew inside I was right. I tried to find out more information after that but couldn't. I was disheartened after the first blog to really continue since it was so hard to find. I know Darius has been consistently vocal about his concern for Hoder here but somehow he did not comment on my blog. As I said I felt that conversation was very important, because of the deep but ambivalent feelings attached to him. Well, pretty no one I didn't invite had a thing to say, so now people who disparaged or ignored him after his arrest can use him as their poster child against IRI. I don't want anyone to answer this post, especially not anyone who read my blog and said nothing (at least to help give me the strength to continue working on his case here) because my answer would be go to hell. Well, anyway, if anyone wo really wants to beat their breasts should read the last comment Humanbeing wrote on my thread. The more carefully read, the better.

psdearRosiewhyRUsuchadramaqueen?

This regime lives in the

This regime lives in the media JJ, so that is what good it does.  They view that they have to take us on.  We bloggers, or even those who were doing this before blogs were around (your truly) were nothing for a long time, as the internet in those days was dismissed.

Now people are using amazing tools like tumblr that use mobiles to create web pages.  The hits we are getting are more than the main media outlets.  The print press that brought the Ayatollahs is dead.  No one reads their articles.  Citizen Iran Journalist has won.

The end is there for them.  We need RP to get the cultural theme going.  We need no-political, non-business, non-religious movement that is united along cultural lines.  Culture comes before democracy even.  Culture is sacred.

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

Reliable source?

The timing of this "announcement" is dubious. It coincides with Ahmadinejad's trip to New York

It seems there are people within the establishment who try their utmost to embarrass Ahmadinejad, not that he really cares. They give ammunition to Western countries to hammer Iran for its Human Rights abuses. I wont be surprised if the American delegate to the UN would bring up the case of Hoder.

Who runs the country? God only knows but the establishment has many sides which often do not coexist.

You know what I'm going to say..............

Please support military action. Target assassinations of all Sepah,  Basijis and ministers of the Islamic Republic.

Kill them using a satellite guided missile just after they drop their child to school and on their way to work. Make sure there car explodes in full public view so every one can see. Maximum impact.

If their bodies can be located then parade their bullet riddled bodies on TV so everone can see just like Saddam's sons Uday and Qusai.

terror= counter terror 

Death to the Islamic Republic. 

I am against death penalty

I am against death penalty.

international community

It is like father to iranian diasporas opposing Iran. it gives them money, feeds them, provides them with material support..... Oh without international community this bunch will actualy have to work. I wonder, why dady is not buying them a ticket to Iran to overthrow the regime??? 

ram jams

it is long way to go

سیزده بدر 6 ماه دیگر است.

ram jams

We all need to save him

from death row in any possible way.I wonder how the case of Sakineh Ashtiani got so publicized. We need to do the same for Hossein Derakhshan.

یا فیلمه یا کشکه

This is sad

I guess he is a confused individual.

Unconfirmed details from an

Unconfirmed details from an anonymous source.

Before we get our feathers all ruffled and start clucking away like hens in a hen house, let's first let the actual facts emerge- shall we?

I really can not believe

that he will be executed. It is a total disgrace and madness. Let's hope it's not true.  

Very sad news

I never liked him, nor  did I agree with his opinions, but sending a journalist to death just because he expressed his ideas, is inadmissible.

I wish he will be released. 

JJ, what are you laughing

JJ, what are you laughing at? This isn't funny.

Why everyone here is asking world and international community to help him? What about you?

مریضن واقعا .. !

..

Naah...I don't think so!

       It aint gonna happen! But again what was he thinking?! Traveling to Israel and publicizing it and then going back to Iran?!!Expecting what?! A warm welcome?! 

       I think he'll survive this and come out with more celebrity status that gives him a wider platform to spread his ideas whatever they're worth!!

        Lets wish him best!

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Christian Amanpour should have also asked about his predicament

I hope this sentence will prove false and won't be carried out.

This is absolutely ridiculous all the more that Hossein was staunchly a supporter of the regime which has decided to imprison him.

Christian Amanpour should have also asked Ahmadinejad about his predicament 

I wish him well ...

Amazing

I have never heard of any dictatorship in the course of the modern history to be this harsh and barbaric.

But I guess I have been underestimating the evil of Islam.

More publicity

will save him. This is proven that they don't go crazy in publicized cases such as Ashtiani's and some other high profile detainees. I however agree with JJ and don't think that they would pass such a crazy sentence.

Jahanshah

If the reported stroy is true then you can be certain they WILL kill him.  Or like our beloved Omid Reza Mirsayafi he will be murdered in prison and blame it on 'natural causes'. They will get their way and the world will condemn it. Nothing will change.

The world should come to his rescue and voice their

outrage.  I really didn't like the majority of what Hoder used to write.  But he has the right to free speech, and he is going to be killed because of his writings.  Barbaric...

Pathetic

I doubt he will be executed, unless his captors are crazier than we imagine. And I know they can. Blood keeps them going.

Putting a blogger, the most famous blogger, to death on baseless, fabricated charges? The death sentence alone is ridiculous enough. What kind of government does that?

Jailing bloggers, journalists, activists, critics... what good has it done?

Tyrants... so pathetic.