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Personally?!!

Why personally, Roozbeh?

Tabari was not my uncle!

I don't mind if you and your other half (the one who writes comments under thousands usernames) want to get stuck in the past and repeat always the same $$ without an epsilon of interest or courage to open up and learning more about the historical thruth.

You have attacked one of the greatest icons of the Iranian elite in the 20th Century. I just defend his memory.

Now that it's done, everybody go back to their own beliefs and business, as before. This is how Iranian.com is run since an eternity.

I never hoped to convincre you, as your mind is already set, and never budge a bit. Only, I defend the memory of the best children of Iran, every time and always, when I see they are attacked.


Nothing personal.

Your friend comes here to attack them and saying the same BS, which he always said about the Toudeh's past for the 1000th time, while in another blog, under another name he says : Walk and don't look back!!!

//iranian.com/main/blog/diba/iranians-should-ask-apology-bahais

Walk & Don t Look Back
by Mash Ghasem on Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:38 AM PDT

The exchanges in here between Bahais's and x-Bahais  always reminds me why we're eternally disfunctional, and not capable of developing a proper social discourse.

Geez! Then why you never leave the Toudehy's souls in peace?

Say what?

Now, who is taking the matter personally,  Roozbeh?

Only the one who has a personal beef with Toudeh and wants to take advantage of every single debate to tarnish and destroy their memory.

Good luck! 

Taking things personally would not help the argument.

Otherwise I personally know of people, ardent, dedicated  communists, who'd spent time in SAVAK jails, who were later betrayed by Tudeh party to the islamist regime as "Imperialist agents". I'd bring them here to testify to that, using their own names, only if I could bring them back to life....

As sad and unjustified as the final fate of Mr tabari and Kianouri were, it was a fate shaped by their own actions. Mr tabari was more than just a poet. He was the member of central committee of an organisation who claimed to represent Iranian working classes in face of the most reactionary regime in our countries modern history, the islamist regime. I am sure he knew the risks attached to such a role. But really as pointed out by others, Tudeh was in effect a tool of implementing USSR's foreign policy in Iran. 

Finally, I want to say that I have the greatest respect for the rank and file of the Tudeh party who did not betray the cause they believed they were serving and prefered the red death at the hands of shah and sheikh to betraying their cause and Iran. The picture of our national hero,  Khosrow Roozbeh signing his own execution, and later staring at mohamad reza's firing squad with contempt and determination, is precisely the point I was trying to convey in my original comment when I said real intellectuals, the ones on people's side, will become the part of psyche of a nation, and inspiration to generations to come, due to their selfless action... 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Part 4

My mistake for not including part 4: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YJGI-mCbEk

If there is a part 10, it has not been posted on the youtube channel.

Thanks Parham

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Tudeh, monarchy and clergy are examples of viruses, but the problem is that iranian people are social-culturary less developed than other nations, that is why they never become immune. Far worst cases than Iran's monarchy, clergy and communist fractions have been seen in other parts of the world. However the difference is that many countries survived because they had a "social cultural" which simply allowed unity and repelled further invasions of viruses...

At the end it is the masses that have the ultimate decision vote, therefore unity is more important than anything else...

That's not exactly an apology for treachery. You still haven't

refute a single point on the historical record of Tudeh. Although the ultimate response to your rude behaviour is to blog piece by piece all the points made previously on that despised formation, with all the historical documentations and records. We all shall learn a valueable lesson in humility and civility, especially you Ms. Hojatti.

Historically speaking the three most damaging political trends in Iranian society in the 20th century, by the order of their destructiveness have been: Shia clergy, monarchy and Tudeh.

On a cultural level one could say there's been a certain Wolf and Sheep Relationship between all these three currents, and how they've ultimately shaped our current bankrupt dominant political culture. See:

//iranian.com/main/2011/aug-6

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Tudeh party was formed in 1941 by the orders of USSR as a Popular Front Anti-War formation. Repeat: a popular front anti-war party, NOT a proper workers, socialist or communist party. Furthermore since its inception the above part was infested with Soviet intelligence agents. At the begining in the shape of Abdolsamad Kambakhsh among others, and later on by none other than Kianory himself. Not only Tudeh party thaught mullahs some of their nastiest tricks, but it also propagandized vehemently against all opponents of IR calling all of them 'agents of Imperialsim.' This party has yet to officially apologize and seek redemption for all its treachery. Although it seems to be split into five different parts, and as relevant to Iranian politics of today as the Ghajar dynasty, all you Toudeh members and supporters need to come clean of this most shameful history, especially the 'leadership.'

Ladies, forgive my ignorance, but....

Wasn't the Tudeh party in effect the puppet of the Soviets in Iran? And was Kianouri not supportive of Khomeini and the IR's rise to power, at least until he and his party fell foul of the Mullahs?

And Roozbeh jon

As you know well, Tabari and Kianoury and Maryam Firouz and most of the other toudeh'y were over 70 when they have been captured and tortured in prison! Not to be compared with Golsorkhi whom  I always admire too!

Thanks Maziar and Souri jan

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Thank you so much dear Maziar

I always admired your courage and impartiality !

More power to you.

This is your source?!!!

Glad for you who believe in this kind of BS.

Roozbeh jon, I see now that the lady in the video is not too far from the truth!

Good luck.

thanks ladies

for praising one of few of Irann's most smart and articulate a simple man from a religious family and a small town in mazandran who rose to the top the status of a highly intelectual who end up in moscow and ...

Iran will have their names in history books for the future generations to read and be proud of.

Maziar

کتابچه حقيقت - چگونگی دستگيری رهبران حزب توده

ازساعت ١٢ شب ۶اريبهشت دستگيری مرحله دوم انجام شد.اواسط روز ٧ارديهشت قسمت هائی ازمصاحبه

کيانوری وعموئی وبه آذين را برای برخی ازدستگيرشدگان نشان می دهند،پرتوی را پيش کيانوری می برند

وکيانوری با سفارش قبلی بازجوها به اومی گويد که ما در اين جا به اين نتيجه رسيده ايم که هيچ چيز را از جمهوری اسلامی مخفی نکنيم وبه بيان واقعيات توصيه می کند.اکثريت افرادی که به دنبال ضربه دوم

ارديبهشت ۶٢ دستگيرشدندزياد درمعرض شکنجه قرارنگرفتند،چراکه اعترافات اصلی صورت گرفته بود

ودرعين حال اين افراد اصلأ روحيه خوبی برای مقاومت،عدم انجام مصاحبه يا عدم اعتراف نداشتند،

جوعمومی درزندان جوروحيه تسليم وشکست وعدم مقاومت بود،بطوريکه اکثريت مطلق اين افرادضمن اعلام

توبه، مسائل خطرسازراازخوددورمی کردند وبه دوش ديگری می انداختند،همه آنها دراين فکربودند که گليم

خود را ازآب بيرون کشند وبرای آنها جان ديگررفقا وموقعيت حزب مطرح نبودبه جزعبدالحسين آگاهی و تقی

کی منش که درمراحل اوليه بازجوئی شهيد شدند،تمامی افرادی که درضربه اول دستگيرشده بودند،حاضربه

مصاحبه شدند

//www.k-en.com/index.html

Dear Anahid

I watched the video and read some of the comments. then I was away and haven't read Roozbeh's comment.

It is okay for everyone to give their opinion. But what is truly disappointing to me, is when I see same comment from a good  and integrated intellectual who is familiar with  differents forms of political fight and struggle, and an IRI agent, about Toudeh and Tabari !

Pity!

Yes, we will take this debate somewhere else in the future, for sure.

Thanks.

Souri joon, do you have Tabari's poems?

When I see you, let's read couple of them so we can "yaadi az Tabari" bekonim". As far as this article, I did not even read it. I was upset about how Roozbeh linked to that and my objection was to that. Your comment was so timely, since I was just thinking how nice it would be to see and talk to those who know some history :).

Bravo Anahid jon!

Thank you!

BTW, did you read this at the bottum of the page?

This is an IRI stub. What did you expect from it Roozbeh jon?

Roozbeh, you must be kidding me

For your link of Latte drinking intllectuals who renounced their ideals after few slaps, you showed Ehsan Tabari. Are you that sadelooh or blinded by hatred of Tudeh that you think Tabari who was chief theorist of Tudeh would get few slaps? Tabari is in pysche of many and no amount of comments like this can change it. If he is not regarded highly by you or others who don't know any better, that still does not change the truth.

Intellectual as a scapegoat

It is ludicrous when the propaganda arm the U.S. - a country in which intellectuals have the least of impact on public affair - goes to France – where intellectuals are considered celebrities – to interview someone who is at best a born-again intellectual/celebrity among the Iranian opposition in exile. In Iran, M. Amirshahi was a short-story writer working for a women magazine. Her stories were more about romance and unconsummated love affairs, than about ordeals of every-day life in a third-world country. She was never known as an intellectual, a political activist, or even a pundit.

At the time when more than ever we need scholarly and objective analyses of our historical stagnation and under-development – an intellectual feat - intellectual bashing has become fashionable for a segment of Iranian Diaspora who has put all its bets on a repeat of 1953. The irony is not only in the timing of this interview – 28 years after the revolution – but also in its belated posting here – two years after the advent of the Green Movement.

 MG: where do they write?

 MG: where do they write? Do they have a website?

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

This debate is outdated by at least 32 years.

A lot has changed since the revolution! For the latest in Iranian 'intellectual" circles, see writings of Zar Afshan, Raeeis Dana and Ghareh Ghozlo. Wonder why none of these writers never appear on IC?

There also seems to be a missing part 10

Just saying.

well, there are Intellectuals, and there are Inellectuals

Some - love them or hate them, but cant ignore them - happily sacrifice  their lives for their ideals and in the process make a real impact (again, love or hate the impact, but boy, you cant ignore the impact...). Others talk to BBC, CNN, etc, drink cafe late in paris, london, NY, and if lucky, get a teaching job in some good for nothing topic at an "ivy league" college. Of the latter, god forbid, if they leave the safety of Foreign TV studios and end up at Evin. Couple of slaps, and they will eat goh and renounce their entire ideals, betray their comrades,  to save their ass... 

The former becomes part of the psyche of a nation for generations to come, the latter become subjects of endless discussions on web sites for a few years , before being completely forgotten....  

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Good interview

Especially part 3.

Having the courage to say what it right, even when you are going against what everyone else is saying.

The late shahs conviction was that Iranians are not yet ready to run a democracy, he had a unique place to view iranians and their actions.  Having spent his entire life fighting against iranians who were really fulfilling the plans of foreign domination of iranians. I also feel he was absolutely right to put forward his views regarding iran and democracy and that history has proven the shah was correct. 

Of course today we are even less ready for democracy within iran as we do not have the culture or institutions in place that can withstand foreign interference/domination.  Yet we do not have enough people that are ready to clearly state the obvious to people that have other desires.

Part 4 is missing

And I wish there was even a more recent long talk with Mahshid Amirshahi to post here.

Farsi 101

What is the translation of “Roshan Fekr” in English?  What does it really mean?  Leaders or influential individuals or opportunites!?  Were they leaders of Ommat, Fadiaeean, Enghelabe Eslami, Toodeh and Mojahedeen?!

Lack of education, perspective and understanding was the main reason for revolution when Iranians of the time selected the above group leaders as their Roshan Fekr leaders.  Who was responsible to educate people previous to the revolution?  What did happen that many Iranians suddently felt to be a real "muslim"? 

Why?

Unfortunately, intellectual-bashing has become a national passtime of the past centuries due to our ancient cultural traditions. The relatively recent rift between monarchism and traditional Islamism notwithstanding, a fear of intellectualism has plagued two of the most pivotal institutions of our society (that is the government and religious stablishment) for centuries. The infamouse collaboration of Sheikh Fazlollah Nuri and Mohammadali Shah in their futile attempt at suppressing the constitutional revolution is an outstanding example of such fear! 

Bashing intellectuals would not undo what has been done to Iran in the past three decades. Nor does blaming Carter or... It only helps mask the real problems that have thwarted our nation's quest for democracy. Intellectuals are a part of society and represent a aprt of its general psyche. If pretending to stand up to Shah's regime brought them popularity and public support, then we should find the answer to our questions elsewhere!

Why were intellectuals overshadowed by the Islamist cells? Why could they not have a political outlet to present their platform to the public as an independant alternative? Why had no one read Khomeini's book on Islamic governance and Velayat-e Faghih -- in other words why were books banned? Why could Khomeini and Islamists take over the political atmosphere at the time? What kind of an environment had the regime created for public expression of dissent (in which independant parties, media, youth or labour organisations... were allowed to form) other than mosques, Hosseiniehs and religious seminaries?!

Unfortunately

The interviews are in Persian, but based on the title and couple of responses I wonder if:

1) This 'intellectual' understands that it is a nation's culture that is responsible for its people's 'fate!'  One can compare Japan to Iran, for example. 
A more recent blunder by 'intellectuals' involves the overthrow of a secular regime in Iraq and replacing it with an 'islamic democracy'…

2) Some folks think that the Iranian people are so helpless on their own that they need the 'leadership' of a few 'intellectuals' to chart out their nation’s future!  That seems very offensive as it implies that Iranians [in this case] are like a of herd of… in need of a man/woman to 'lead' them to whatever or wherever... Well, 'intellectuals' always assume that the 'masses' are too stupid!

She is a significant figure

It is a pity that at a very crucial moment in our history we did not have more people like her.

Perhaps, we would have a different fate if we did. 

Women like

Mrs. Amirshahi and Mrs Kaar inspire me with their wisdom and intelligence and make me proud of my heritage. With role models such as these Iran has a bright future indeed.

Such a Iranian Woman!

I cannot describe her honesty, courage & intelligence.  May She lives to see FREE IRAN.  I hope she would have a very effectual position in future Free IRAN.