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TO ASADABAD:     Sorry that I didn't endorse your viewpoint that "Iranian society is trash" -- I won't say such things against millions of my people.  I also stopped reading your post at the part quoted below because I don't believe that employing insults or strong-arm bullying tactics to get others to endorse your viewpoint should be incentivized; unfortunately that goes on way too often here in that some people don't respect the right of others to hold different views, express themselves differently, or to refrain from contributing to repetitive cult-like propaganda  against Iran and Iranians.  The expectation among some here seems that to be a part of this imaginary online "club" you MUST constantly denigrate Iran and endorse what a handful of posters say.  I can see from your manner of speech that an Iran under ANY system of government and ANY leadership would have a problem with your type of conversational style and delusional demands; and it's clear to me why some will be doomed to live out their lives in the diaspora without the ability to return to or live comfortably in Iran.  Lastly, the topic was never about "homosexuality" and I never discussed the subject of homosexuality: if you want to be a homosexual, go ahead because it means nothing to me.     -----------------   "  by asadabad on Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:18 PM PDT I am only interested in the truth.  You are too arrogant to admit the truth and you're acting exactly like Ahmadinejad when asked about homosexuality in Iran.  Instead of admitting the truth of the matter, you're changing the subject and talking about American Playboy.  If the truth means admitting that Iranian society is trash, then so be it. "

@boosboos

I am only interested in the truth.  We can deduce from your post that you believe prostitution is an evil.  You admit that it's a problem which would make it bad, right? 

I think that you're too arrogant to admit the truth and you're acting exactly like Ahmadinejad when asked about homosexuality in Iran.  Instead of admitting the truth of the matter, you're changing the subject and talking about American Playboy.  If the truth means admitting that Iranian society is trash, then so be it.  Do you believe in putting truth before your own tribe?  Never forget, the first step to solving a problem, is admitting  that a problem exists!  Prostitution is a serious problem in Iran. 

Sure, you can learn about Iran's societal ills/cures by studying other countries.  But that's not what you're after.  You only mention the American sex norms in order to excuse/or deflect criticism of Iranian hooker industry.  You know that in the USA premarital sex is considered acceptable and you're trying to equate Iranian prostitution with that American custom in order to justify or trivialize the issue.   

Again, you're relying on a logical fallacy in order to "save Iran's reputation".  It's called an ad hominem.  You're trying to link the validity/truth of poster's argument to some negative characterisitc or belief of the poster.  Who cares about the motives of the poster.  Is he/she telling the truth or not?  That's all that matters.

Imagine if you got robbed by an American and the judge dismissed your lawsuit because he doesn't want "Americans to have a bad reputation as a result" or he/she says, "You Iranians are just anti-American, that's your motivation so your case is dismissed".  What type of judge is that?

Then you start talking about the hypocrisy of some people (Hugh Hefner and his fans), another logical fallacy (tu quoque). 

"A makes criticism of P. 

A is also guilty of P. 

Therefore P is dismissed."

Again, what does that have to do with the merit of the argument?

Text in italics is from wikipedia's "tu quoque" article.

SEXY TIME

" by asadabad on Tue Aug 23, 2011 01:04 AM PDT I can only speak for myself, but prostitution and casual sex are both forms of corruption. ... Why do you keep pointing your finger at Americans and their sex norms  Do you think that because there is corruption in the USA that excuses Iranians from their corruption?"  

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First, you learn about problems in a society by not only studying your own society, but also from studying others. (I'm sure you sometimes also discuss other nations and people - at least I hope you do.) Regarding the sex trade, through comparative inquiry you can get information pertinent to subjects like "What are the effects of prohibition?"  This covers health and safety issues (STDs / violence against the sex workers), and a host of other issues such as the whether it's the appropriate role of government to interfere in matters touching on the personal privacy of others.  The list is long.

Secondly, as an Iranian - I like to look at the reasons behind the posts: I ask myself questions like: "Is the person posting information about certain sex practices in Iran simply seeking to ridicule Iranians?" and/or "Are they using the content as a springboard for pushing some other undisclosed political objective?" I'm sure there are people here that complain about "sigheh," but love to hear about how many girlfriends Hugh Hefner (the owner of Playboy) has.  That would be an example.  So then the more interesting question for me is: Why are they doing that?

Third, you claim to speak to my views on prostitution: I didn't say it was corrupt; in fact I didn't give any opinion on that subject whatsoever.  You said it was a form of corruption ... not me.  I'll let you know when I express my views.

Hope that clarifies.  

@boosboos

1. According to Shiism, a man can have up to 4 permanent wives and an unlimited number of "temporary wives" all at the same time.  Of course, a woman may only practice "temporary marriage" with one man at a time and she must observe iddah before contracting herself out to another man.

2. I can only speak for myself, but prostitution and casual sex are both forms of corruption. 

3. Yes, in Iran there parts of cities that are unofficially known as "sigheh areas" (basically red light districts) where you can go and literally find a woman to have sex with, just like this guy in the video.  The Iranian government excuses this type of gender mixing because it's for a "good cause".

4. Yes, I'd consider Hugh Hefner just like this Iranian guy.  But what does that have to do with anything?  Why do you mention Americans and their sex norms  Do you think that because there's corruption in the US that somehow excuses Iranians of their own corruption?  It seems like you're relying on a logical fallacy known as Tu Quoque.

Practical meaning of Gender-Apartheid in Islamic Republic ofHell

To all shameless defenders and apologists of Islamic Republic of Hell: Open up your blind eyes and realize that for the past 32 years in Islamic Republic of Hell, Iranian women have been nothing but half a human being at best, treated as sexual objects and stoned to death if disobeying the laws of Gender-Apartheid.

Instead of discussing how to liberate Iranian women from yokes of slavery, all you could think of is how many sighehs  could be done at the same time! Some of you apologists of IR are truly worse than dirt.

Multiple Sigheh

by asadabad on Mon Aug 22, 2011 08:43 PM PDT ... they legalized prostitution and openly encourage it!  Have you heard of sigheh? 

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This is a dicey subject: In an ideal world, you meet someone, and you get married, and you live happily ever after.  Money changes hands in the sigheh, but apart from that, how is it different from people that "hook up" casually for sex?  Is it the money that bothers us? Or is it the casual hooking-up?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you can only do sigheh with one person at a time, right?

The other thing I always wondered is how do you arrange a sigheh if the authorities crack down on mixing of the sexes in public?   Is it just something you randomly ask someone: "Excuse me, do you do sigheh?"

Would we describe Hugh Hefner (the founder of Playboy) as being in a sigheh relationship?  

@KingReza

Are you joking?  The IRI is blamed for this because they legalized prostitution and openly encourage it!  Have you heard of sigheh? 

And don't try to lie to everyone and say, "Oh that's not prostitution, it's fixed time marriage".  Let's call a spade a spade, ok?

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The girl in the video was quite aggressive, she snatched the money off the dude's fingers without hesitation!

Wow! This video is too much for you-tube and got removed already!

Apparently IRI's gender apartheid can't stop this type of activity!

Is this in Qom? The guy under chadoor looks like a Talabeh!

This is disgusting, period!

Post honeymoon...

In your courageous mind, void of political correctness about women's equality and their liberated status in society, and while controlling yourself from making any insulting remarks toward me or my family,  draw four walls around this couple in the video and put a roof on top. Then you may see the portrayal of a marriage.........the essence of a union.........Think about it....

The last second is rude ....

I was about to say, how do we know she's not asking her son to tuck in his shirt, and then the last frame showed up .... holy smokes.   

In God we trust,

the rest pay cash.

disgusting

i was in Iran 2008 and one of the things that struck me the most was how decadent the society had become. I mean literally, you see hookers, often times very young, all over Tehran. It is so sad.

The Islamic Republic is a failure in almost all accounts, but nothing symbolizes their failure more than the spread of drug use and prostitution. 

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Why is this blamed on the Islamic Republic. I'm not a big fan of the regime, but prostitution happens everywhere. It's a simple matter of supply and demand. There is always a healthy demand for sex, and when that's the case, there will always be someone who'll supply that demand. It doesn't matter if the ruling regime is the Islamic Republic or something else.

This clip reminds me of

How Akhoonda use to make their living in back alleys, before IR. 

Hejab?

Ironically, the prostitute is fully mohajabeh, and the guy looks like a Lebas Shakhsi!