Iranian of the Day

You must be kidding Khalili

otherwise don't be shy and tell us that you are either a poorly closeted regime supporter OR you have absolutely no clue whatsoever who else has been featured in IoD column like this one:

//iranian.com/main/2011/feb/ali-akbar-nat...

Your comment is a good example of Iranians talking through their A**!

limitless Modernity with no Therapy needed.

The whole question of Hijab or lack of it will be most relevant in the circles of nuvo rich islamist Republic  aristrocracy  community, grabbing 12 million dollar properties in  California, as they start dealing with exsiting  islamophobe community. We dont care, as we are not anybody's lap poodles. We just want our country Iran back!

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

VPK

@masoud: yes, I know about Croats and Persia. Mind you, that has yet to be confirmed by historians. 

Late here, nite. 

Worst "Iranian of the day" selection IMO

Nothing else to add.

What is your limit in modernity?

Some ideas about modern public clothing since we don’t want to be back to stone ages:

Example 1: Leather and rubber fetish clothing, bondage gear has to be announced as official dress codes.  If we can’t see your ass (for males) or your boobs (for female) you are not hired.

Example 2: All parties have to be naked parties.  That’s totally OK to have you asses and boobs get frozen.

P.S. Please don’t forget to invite me to your naked parties:)

Democratic thinking 201

Freedom of practicing one's faith must be upheld and respected from birth to grave.

Thinking pattern 101: Distorted vs. healthy

Distorted: wearing hijab is wrong.  I don’t feel like it.

Healthy: religious symbols and clothing including hijab, Christian cross and Yarmulke should be forbidden at primary schools since they might influence kids’ independence.

Rea

You are reading me wrong. What I am saying it that we need to move forward. So stop living in the 6th century and move to the modern world. Islam belongs to the past. I want to remove the hijab from our faces and minds.

I want people to move to the 21st century. To stop holding on the 1400 year old superstitions about dead Imam in a well. Or beat themselves about some supposed massacre 1000 years ago. Now does this sound like going backwards.

You are deliberately not listening to me. And now you close your mind by "being  outta here".  Well that is a great way to have debate and see other people's point of view.Why not stay; read I say and maybe I am on to something.

Rea

Your example of going back to 7th century shows your lack of understand on what VPK is saying.   You see - Ancient and modern Iranian culture is at full contrast with the Arab Culture and Islam.  Our culture believes in ife, while Islam preaches after-life.   We believe in joy and laughter, ISlam pushes for mourning.   Persians believe in all humans being equal regardless of geneder and faith - Islam promotes otherwies.........get it?  Do you now see why we want to go back to our own culture and do away with all arabification of our ways of life? 

BTW - in case you are interested your Croats ancestors were one of the original populations living in Persia - they moved west because of the Arabs and their constant assaults on their towns. 

I was wondering why Ebadi was so quite

i guess she was not for uprising in Iran.  I guess this gentleman is vindicated with egytp, tunisia, lybia, and iran.

more protests coming soon.

VPK

What you're saying would be like me calling upon my people to go back to the ancient Slavic gods we'd worshipped prior to being christianized, i.e. going back to 7th century. People would probably think I'm crazy. ;o)

IMHO, the problem is not religion per se but separation of religion and state.

With this, I'm outta here.

Majority of Iranians of Muslims

Whenever I am winning the argument against Islam I hear either "Majority of Iranians are Muslims"; or "There 2 billion Muslims out there". Why? I believe this is because they run out of logical responses.

Therefore they resort to "mine is bigger" argument. Well people make mistakes. The believe in the wrong thing. They sometimes open their eyes and change their minds. For example:

• Majority of people thought Earth was flat. There were academics muc like the Islamists now who argued and "proved"it was so.
• Majority thought Sun goes around the Earth. With paid intellectuals to uphold the Church doctrine.
• Majority of Romans worshiped non Christians Gods. Well that changed now did it not?

So the argument that this many people think something is pointless. Things always change and no ideology is sacred. Please if you want to argue then use logic not the whose is bigger thing.

Clown

Rea

What happened 1400 years ago can be changed. Iran became majority Shia a few hundred years ago through the force of Safavids. Romans after thousands of years left their ancient gods and became Christian. Life is not static; it changes. It is the duty of all Iranians to figut Islam. In their hearts and in our nation. 

If Iran is to survive Islam has to be marginalized. It may take generations but the process must begin. Reza Shah managed to ban hijab a century ago and the "Muslim" Iran just said "yes sir". Islam may and must be fought; not in a war of weapons but in a war of ideas. It is old; barbaric and is keeping Iran back. There is a giant amount "wrong" with it. How about: Sharia; rape; fatwahs; stonings; band against leaving Islam; plus many other things. I cannot beliee I need to spell these out.

Zigurat

Islam is the "religion" of the invaders. I don't need to change it; without force of the state it will shrivel by itself. People are the ones who have and will overcome it. Just like I did. 

I do know why Sassanids fell. It is not as simple as you make it. Arabs took hundreds of thousands of Iranian slaves. Yes, some people thought they should not support Sassanids. It was a giant mistake that they realize as Arabs were raping their daughters and taking their sons into slavery. The people made the same mistake 1979. They put trust in Islam. It was another giant mistake. It cost us many lives and our freedon of a whole generation. Now smart people are leaving Islam.

In a secular nation people are free to choose their religion. I chose to throw out Islam. Anyone who wants to hold on to it may. As long as they don't force it on me. However Islam is based on force so it will be tough path.

Dear Veiled Prophet of

Dear Veiled Prophet of Khorasan, Islam is a religion of Iran, good or bad, we can' t change it. By the way don't forget end of Sassanian dynasty where Zoroastrian monks had lots of power and they convict Shahs to put Christians out of Iran. Why do you think Persian empire failed front of Arabs, because Persian didn't want to fight for arrogant and corrupted rulers. 

We have to create a secular country there is no doubt about it, but we can't throw islam a way. 

This guy has had the *alls to show his face and true identity

in the "public!" Do you(we) dare to  reveal our names let alone show our faces under such circumstances where the IRR has eliminated all of its critiques across the world? 

And there can be a normal (Gaussian) curve drawn for all the Nobel Peace Price awardees for their courage, effectiveness, utility, and charisma! I bet Shirin Ebadi's is 3 standard deviations below the mean!

VPK

Briefly.

Whatever happened 14 centuries ago can NOT be changed. Iran of today is predominantly a muslim country. And there is nothing wrong with it. 

IRI and Islam should not be confused. Just one example. Islam, for all I know, doesn't call for Baha'is to be forced out of their homes and denied basic human rights. IRI does.

As for S. Ebadi, you are too harsh. Let's not forget that while living in Iran she'd had to work within the parameters set by IRI. She did what she could given the circumstances.

Calling her an islamist is a gross exaggeration, to say the least.

I suggest you also read the link provided by DK.

Ari

Gooshet shenid vali maghzet nagereft.  

The beef with Ebadi is not just her call for people to participate in IR elections - Our problem is the very first words that came out of her mouth after she won the Nobel:  "Islam and Democracy are Compatible" - got that ?   Do you understand what that means?  If you think there can ever be a Democratic Islamic Republic - it would mean you know nothing about Islam or Democracy.

Also as Souresrafil pointed out she was trying to keep people pinned at home..........You ears may be OK - but your brain obviously has problems comprehending what you hear.

God Bless the United Staes of America!

Where anyone with a bit of money can get airtime on a TV channel and  today, the president day, is a public holiday!

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Zigourat

You are kind of Iranian who wants the fall of IRI whatever the number of victims.

I speak for myself. Not wanting to elevate Ebai does not make her a victim. I hear people including myself questioning her ideas. I do not want her as an icon. That does not mean victimizing her. In a democratic Iran she will be free do go about her business. If she runs for office I will not vote for her. In fact I would make it my business to inform others of what she really stands for. That is perfectly democratic. Just does not fit an Islamist point of view.

Botshekan, Ebadi doesn't

Botshekan, Ebadi doesn't want to became an icon, she is coming an hero because of circumstances. You are kind of Iranian who wants the fall of IRI whatever the number of victims. That's why i told you look at world with black and white TV, like Bush who used to say your are with us or against us, same rhetoric.

Rea your link proves my points

Here is a quote from the link you sent me:

I am a Muslim. In the Koran the Prophet of
Islam has been cited as saying: "Thou shalt believe in thine faith and I in my religion". That same divine book sees the mission of all prophets as that of inviting all human beings to uphold justice.

Great; Mohammad "cries" and she follows. Then makes the false claim that this this "book" actually respects all other prophet. She leaves out many prophets Islam does not respct. Islam does not respect Bahai; it murders them. It explicitly disbelieves all prophets who come after Mohammad. So much for her sincerely and honesty. She is trying to fool an international audience. She is abusing this opportunity to bold faced lie about Islam.

Since the advent of Islam, too, Iran's
civilization and culture has become imbued and infused with humanitarianism, respect for the life, belief and faith of others, propagation of tolerance and compromise and avoidance of violence, bloodshed and war. The luminaries of Iranian literature, in particular our Gnostic literature, from Hafiz, Mowlavi [better known in the West as Rumi] and Attar to Saadi, Sanaei, Naser Khosrow and Nezami, are emissaries of this humanitarian culture. Their message manifests itself in this poem by Saadi:

This is a lie. Ebadi is implying that before Islam Iran was not tolerant or humanitarian. Ebadi first tries to claim credit by associating herself with Cyruis the great. Then implies that we needed Islam to become "humanitarian". History indicate that Iran was tolerant of religions long before Islam came. In fact it became much less tolerant after Islam. Do you know Muslims considers non Muslims "najis": it means "unclean". A Muslims is not even supposed to touch a non Muslim like, a Jews. Because according to Islam they are "unclean". Ebadi knows this; yet choses to lie about Islam. She further insults Iranian heritage by saying Islam brought humanitarianism to Iran. Shame on her. Ebai is an Islamist who hates per Islam Iran like all brainwashed Islamists.

Thank you Rea I now have more reason to be disgusted by Ebadi. And more proof of her real nature.

Rea

Ebadi has done a great deal of damage to Iran by legitimizing IR. She is a fake. 

Islam was and is the enemy of Iran and all non Muslim cultures. By putting Islam first Ebadi has rejected her Iranian heritage.You cannot have it both ways.

Please read history and what Islam did to Iran; Egypt  and others.The whole Egyptian culture was destroyed. The Iranian or Persian culture barely survived and is still struggling to live. People who put Islam above Iran are working to destroy my culture. Ebadi is one.

There is no proof that Ebadi is a decedent of Cyrus the great. She is just taking credit for it based on nothing. Of course taking unearned credit is very common among Islamists. I have read the Koran and found nothing divine in it. I have also read Bible and Avesta. I did find wisdom in them. How could someone follow Koran and truly believe in peace? We all know actions of Mohammad. These include wholesale slaughter of Jews to raping a 9 year old.  I mean really let us be fair and put aside this fake "respect". Why should I respect a "religion" based on violence and hate. I will not.

Miss zigourat

My beef is not with Souresrafil - it is with Ebadi and all those figures who want to become an icon. Wiki is not the most reliable source on all things but the question of the 1992 coup that brought Hugo Chavez to the attention of his nation is something that every tom dick and harry know! Denying something as obvious as this is like saying that Khomeini was not behind the Islamic riots of 1342!! So please don't deny the obvious. Ebadi was and still is tolerated by the regime because she gives them a credible face.

She's done a lot for Iran

Give credit where credit is due. 

@M. Hojjat, not really. What she said was:

"I am an Iranian. A descendent of Cyrus The Great", and then " I am a Muslim".  What's wrong with that?

//nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2003/ebadi-lecture-e.html

Dear Botshekan, 1st :

Dear Botshekan,

1st : wikipedia is not a reference, it's good only for facts but some informations are not true.
2nd : people like behrooz souresrafil looks at the world with old ideology, he doesn't like nobody except people who thinks like him. Maybe you are the same.
3nd : I prefer 1000 times Mrs Ebadi to Mr Souresrafil who did nothing except accusing people who doesn't think like him being Islamic republic agent. 

I don't know much about her, and now I'm disappointed ...

I agree, shame on you ebadi, another IRI supporter in disguise (among others like parsi, amirahmadi ....).

Good for you

Botshekan and Maraym. Never let these frauds get away with their utter anti Iranian nonsense. We let them have a monopoly on opinion for too many years. Now is our turn to speak. They don't kike it the can turn off  the TV.

I like black and white :-) Gives more character. But nothing will give Ebadi and her Islamist gang character. Color or black and white makes no difference. It is the smell; the stink of Islam that will get through no matter the color.

Ziggy! I changed to color TV!!

Here is the color version of the same reference.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez...

The problem with you and your pal Payam is that you guys see the world through the dark glasses of fanaticism. Remember I am here to smash the icons! So watch out! nonsense is not tolerated.