Ataollah Mohajerani

Seminar on Green Movement

Kensington Library, London, March 4, 2011:

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Mola Nasredeen

...

by Mola Nasredeen on

Mohajerani,

Excellent analysis of the political realities facing Iranians and the Reform Movement.


aghadaryoosh

چاقو دسته خودش را نمیبرد!

aghadaryoosh


که حساب کتاب خامنه‌ای پاکست ؟  اینهم از هم غزه و هم لبنان ایشان! یاد میرزا ملکم خان به خیر ! اگر از تاریخ نیاموزیم محکوم به تکرار آن هستیم . 


G. Rahmanian

"ديوانه" جان،

G. Rahmanian


همكارعزيز، كسي كه ٥٠ ميليارد دلار قرض ميكنه كه قرض الحسنه تو كارش نيست. وام رو به اونايي بايد داد كه احتياج ندارن. من يكي بانكداري اسلامي رو حفظ حفظم!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

DK Jaan

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I do understand the difference. You have read my previou posts. I want a sort of parliamentary system. However the Monarch does set the tone. When kings show respect for females it sets an example.

When a king treats the queen as an equal it tells others "it is ok". It gives them the green light to do so. A king could call for separation of religion and state or for social justice. This is what I mean by a leader not a dictator.


Darius Kadivar

VPK Jaan keep in mind that a Monarch isn't necessarily a leader

by Darius Kadivar on

But a Sovereign.

That is a distinction that seems not yet clear in the minds of our fellow compatriots and which I am painstakingly trying to clarify ...

But apparently to no effect ... ;0)

 

I don't see why we Iranians seem to have such a hard time to understand this simple concept which other nations understand clearly:

 

HISTORY FORUM: How Truly Democratic is The British Monarchy ?


RESTORATION: Belgium King Baudouin takes Oath Amidst Republican Animosity (31st July ,1950)

 

Maybe if we would set aside some of our anglophobia which is something of a second nature amongst us Iranians we would be less apologetic about being monarchists.

Being a Monarchist and Being a Constitutionalist are One and the same thing.

So make an effort Buddy Stop being Apologetic each time you want to say something nice about the Royal Institution.

 

Being a Monarchist is not a disease ...

 

ROYALTY: Crown Prince Reza & King Juan Carlos of Spain


ROYAL CURTSY: Crown Prince Reza Godfather to Belgium's Prince Prince Laurent's Daughter (2004)


 

ROYAL CURTSY: Iran's Royal Family At Spain's Crown Prince's Wedding (2004)

 

Viva España, Viva El Rey !! 

;0) 

But thankfully it sure seems to be contagious :

 

ROYAL FORUM: Iran-born Hanif Bali elected to Swedish Parliament


ROYALIST: Sattar Explains Why He Wishes To See The Monarchy Restored (VOA)


PROUD TO BE IRANIAN AND A MONARCHIST: Fereydoun Farrokhzad Up Close and Personal (Mid 1980's)


LOL



Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Monarchy

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I am not in general a monarchist but I respect them. What I want is what is best for Iran. Given today and the situaion I think monarchy under RP is the right choice.

We need a glue and a leader to pull our nation to sanity. A person who will provide us with the link we need to our roots. Wether we like it or not our roots are in monarchy. 

Plus the group untainted by the idoicy of the revolution is the monarchists. The one leader who has been most honest and sane is RP. Therefore I would support him as the legitimate crown prince of Iran.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Divaneh

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Thank you for setting the things straight. People who say we need gradual change are dishonest. As you said the last revolution was abrupt and in a moment took us back 1400 years to the desert age.

Why should we crawl one step at a time to modernity. These "people" just want to preserve political Islam. They know the phiasophy has failed. But instead of accepting it they are trying to salvage the remnants of it. 

I detest dishonesty as practiced by Muslim "taggiyeh". I rather they just come out and say what they believe. But the Islamists lie by nature. Fortunately people are wise to them and their henna has lost its color.


khaleh mosheh

Where is this

by khaleh mosheh on

low grade imbeciles turban? They have layer upon layer of decipt and hypocracy embeded in them in their so called training in Qum or other godforsaken centres of shia theocratic cesspools.


divaneh

این حرفا رو واسه ننت بزن

divaneh


اصلاَ کی تو رو توی حساب این جنبش آورده که حالا آمده ای راه تعیین کنی. این همه خون ریخته و این همه زندانی، که تو بیایی با رفقای آخوندت سروری کنید و همان آش و همان کاسه. این دیگه چه مغلطه کاریه. میگه از کوه باید قدم قدم بالا رفت نمی شود یک دفعه قدم روی قله گذاشت. زرشک. چطوری توی انقلاب قبلی شد؟ چطوری توی کشور های دیگه میشه؟    

برو کشکتو بساب بابا. اون منشور هم ببر خودتو بشور.

رحمانیان و دکتر مهندس گرامی

خیلی خوب بگذارید چرتکه ام را پیدا کنم، در خدمت گذاری حاضرم. فقط یادتان باشد که صحبت قرض و حسن و این چیزها را نکنید. دوستی به جای خودش ولی گردو یکی یه عباسی. 


ahvazi

The only Mohajerani....

by ahvazi on

I ever admired was Heshmat...and as for this guy, he is a hypocrite who leaves IRI and then comes to UK and lives there and praises a bafoon like Mr. Khar-manie!!


Everybody Loves Somebody Sometime

"Why does he live in?" To create the false impression that he

by Everybody Loves Somebody ... on

is a reformer that he is against the very criminal regime that he has been a part of until yesterday. This thug is as criminal as Khomeini, Khalkhali, Khamenei, Khatami, Khoie, Kahrroubi, and each and every other Khark&@&@& Akhoond and supporters!?


vildemose

Why does he live in

by vildemose on

Why does he live in the UK??


vildemose

Khameni has stolen so much

by vildemose on

Khameni has stolen so much he doesn't need anymore money. He is 69 years old. But he has a lust for power. He is intrinsically motivated to almost compelled pathologically to commit any crime and justify it just to stay in power. Power is more intoxicating than money.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Ghalam-Doon

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

You are right. Just because *may* not be after money does not absolve him. There are many crimes he has comitted. Including murder; rape; torture; and treason and terrorism. Any of the above crimes are bad enough.

Khamenei should be tried for his actions. This even if it happens after he dies. Justice and responsibility for ones actions. 

Meanwhile we have assorted "an tellectuals" telling us to put up with this. Shame on Iranian self declared so called leaders.


IranMarzban

mohajerani

by IranMarzban on

is a liar i don`t like this guy he DOES NOT represent people of iran. PERIOD


ghalam-doon

So Khamenei is not after money

by ghalam-doon on

What would that prove? Khomeini wasn't after accumulating wealth either. Same goes for Hitler and many other maniacs throughout history. I think it's even worse. When they think of themselves beyond the material things, then they feel they have a destiny to fulfill. They all suffer from some kind of mental illness and in case of people like Khomeini or Khamenei it gets even worse since it gets mixed with religion.

On the other hand, what does he want to prove with this argument? That the movement should leave Khamenei alone since he's not after wealth? That this reform that he's talking about should leave the structure of the Islamic Republic including the role of supreme leader intact since according to Mohajerani he has not accumulated any wealth? I think his argument is flawed.

Q & A part was interesting too. He claims the movement is not big enough and it does not encompass many towns. Thank you very much Mr. Mohajerani. We have enough doubts about this movement already. We need people like you to encourage people to get move involved. Instead you announce from this podium that we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously!


choghok

Some thoughts

by choghok on

To Darius: They live in monarchs probably because many countries in europe are monarchy, and no normal human would like to live in France :-).

That said I think Mohajerani is right, I also do not think that revolutions get to good things, look at europes history, it is all blod till they started with evolution instead. I also think that non violent way of doing things has heldAli Geda and Ahmaghinejad back, otherwise they would happily bring tanks to the streets and hang Mousavi.

One thing I would like to know is though how is the scenario is going to look like? I mean in IRI there are many maffioso groups and families who has to be beaten. How can green movement bring enough energy to dissolve them all in a non violent way?

 


Shemirani

Another Marmoolak !

by Shemirani on

Who is this guy ...har rooz yekishoon mesl alaf sabz mishe baraye ma ! Moj savari dola dola :D

....Az lahje akhoondish halam baham khord, so foxyyy say bar tarssoondand mardom az harjo marj bad az engelab ! Reform javab gooyeh niazhaye mardom nist chon kole ghanoone assasi bayad avaz beshavad va kole dastgahi ke 32 sal beytol malo chapideh hast bayad barkenar beshavad !!!!

How can he allow himself to talk on Iranian names ? We don't need you to guide us to reach democracy!! javanan goole shomaharo nemikhorand anymore.....Hopfully next generation is aware of all your tricks


Piyalechi

DK Jaan, Noush...

by Piyalechi on

First let me start by saying that I have not read an entry from you, here in IC, that I did not find enjoyable or pleasant.

Albeit, I haven't had the opportunity to enjoy all of your contributions.

I thank you for your tireless contributions to our virtual society, and as I tip my virtual hat off to you too, I'd like to ask you a question and I hope you'd honor me with an answer (If you have already addressed  question similar to mine, I apologize for repetition and would be grateful if you just publish the link to your comment.):

Do you support re-establishment of a monarchy in Iran? If you do, what is your supportive argument?

Noush...


Darius Kadivar

Why's he retired to a country with a Constitutional Monarchy ?

by Darius Kadivar on

Of all places all these islamists seem to choose European Monarchies for their retirement: Sweden, Great Britain ...

LOL

 

ROYAL FORUM: Behind the Scenes of Queen Elizabeth II's Coronation in 1953 


G. Rahmanian

If Anything,

by G. Rahmanian on

The poor retard speaks more like the mullahs than an intelligent man with a doctorate. Is there a spelling mistake? Shouldn't it be Ayatollah and not Ataollah?


comrade

It's almost time...

by comrade on

... for offering my sincere condolences to those of us who have had to go through the painful mental process of receiving and digesting his honest remarks about Iran's independence and Khamenei's clean financial affairs.

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.

 


Kashk

در جایی دیگر گفت مهاجرانی

Kashk


گر انقلاب کنی‌، آخوند زاده برنجانی

چرا اصلاح مصلحت ندانی، کز این راه، دلار نفتی‌ به آخوند رسانی

ادامه ندارد


default

گوید مهاجرانی

ahosseini


گوید مهاجرانی این گوی و این میدان است

یا اینکه با ما باشید یا جایتان زندان است

گوید که جنبش سبز یک جنبش اسلامیست

این رنگ سبز جنبش از شال سیدان است

ادامه

 


Kashk

Already he has decided for reform rather than revolution

by Kashk on

Is this the "mardom salari" he is talking about? Who said you are the "decider" (just like Bush!). Then he claims regarding khamenei's finances, like he gets a copy of khamenei (and his son's) monthly bank statements. what a waste of time to listen to another akhoond zadeh. Their problem (same as rafsanjani's) why ahmadinejad and why not me. You akhoonds fooled us once, shame on you, fool us again shame on melat.


Benyamin

To Dr. Mohajerani

by Benyamin on

Although you speak very softly and I appreciate your "inside" knowledge of Khemenii`s wealth and what not but I do find two serious flaws with your view on the "green movement".

You mentioned "the correctionists=eslah talaban" and altogether to call this movement eslahat is better than call it revolution. you also mentioned that correction could happen in a long time and that we need to be patient.

I think that view is a bit risky in fact since the population of iran is young "today" and in 20 years from now the younger generation will be less than the older one (which is the exact opposite of today`s situation) and therfore if they are able to control or manage correction movement for the next 20 years then I say the commanders of Sepaah are right to say that the elections and what happened aftermath "insured" the IRI for the next 30 years! because if they walk through this 20 years with no serious challange then they will stay forever and we will end up with different countries that used to form Iran!!!

The other problem is that "who" is going to fight the IRI if all you(green movement) say is mild challenge??? You are not let in the parliament because of the Gaurdian coucil, you wont become president because of Gaurdian council, you wont have a voice(probobly why you are in the west now) since they close down any voice in any shape or form you have and now they are even calling those "islamic political parties" illegal in a nut shell no venue is open to you. The youth are getting killed tortured and raped and their families are not safe, who is going to pay the price if we are not united in our goal?

Sohrab arabi got killed and his mother is still awaiting justice to prevail in a country that its leader is not responssible and not answering to anyone!

I say "all for one and one for all"


G. Rahmanian

DM:

by G. Rahmanian on

Sure. I'm all for it. Don't forget it was my idea!


default

GR let's go for the kill man

by Doctor mohandes on

Let 's take it all . Let 's take them to cleaners:)

I amnot sure about Abbass cus... I am more comfortable doing thing in my head. U know?:)) But we can have divane as prof. consultant.


G. Rahmanian

DM:

by G. Rahmanian on

I'm thinking of borrowing US $50 from "Beitolmaal" to start a bank of "Sadreh Eslaami" type in Tehran with branches all over Iran. Are you in? Let's ask "Divaneh," too. He seems to know how to use an abacus!